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		<title>By: Blog Wars and Booing &#124; Zoner Sports</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1507</link>
		<dc:creator>Blog Wars and Booing &#124; Zoner Sports</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 14:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] A recent Chicago blog war started when my pal Stormin Norman at NQTC wrote a post called &#8220;Why It&#8217;s Okay To Boo Milton Bradley But You Were Kind Of A Dick For Booing Jacque Jones&#8220;. Then Another Cubs Blog absolutely cut that up like a psycho with a switchblade. NQTC slapped back with &#8220;Players Should Not Be Accountable To Fans (And Other Crazy Theories From The Cubs Blogosphere)&#8220;. Then Bleacher Nation chimed in with &#8220;The Cublogoverse Is BOOOOOOOO&#8220;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A recent Chicago blog war started when my pal Stormin Norman at NQTC wrote a post called &#8220;Why It&#8217;s Okay To Boo Milton Bradley But You Were Kind Of A Dick For Booing Jacque Jones&#8220;. Then Another Cubs Blog absolutely cut that up like a psycho with a switchblade. NQTC slapped back with &#8220;Players Should Not Be Accountable To Fans (And Other Crazy Theories From The Cubs Blogosphere)&#8220;. Then Bleacher Nation chimed in with &#8220;The Cublogoverse Is BOOOOOOOO&#8220;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1503</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I&#039;m not one of those &quot;everything White Sox is awful&quot; Cubs fans, but... I mean... are you actually suggesting there aren&#039;t a handful of obnoxious Sox fans here and there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I&#8217;m not one of those &#8220;everything White Sox is awful&#8221; Cubs fans, but&#8230; I mean&#8230; are you actually suggesting there aren&#8217;t a handful of obnoxious Sox fans here and there?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1492</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MB21, it&#039;s time to become a Sox fan.  i&#039;ve always complained how obnoxious Cubs fans are.  If i wanted to watch a game at a bar, I&#039;d go to a bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MB21, it&#8217;s time to become a Sox fan.  i&#8217;ve always complained how obnoxious Cubs fans are.  If i wanted to watch a game at a bar, I&#8217;d go to a bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Qualified To Comment &#187; How Stormin Norman Ruined Baseball For All Cubs Fans</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1468</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Qualified To Comment &#187; How Stormin Norman Ruined Baseball For All Cubs Fans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the appropriateness of booing.  Well Bleacher Nation took an interest in that story, and ran its own little story about whether fans should boo or not.  The blogger who initially personally attacked me on Another [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the appropriateness of booing.  Well Bleacher Nation took an interest in that story, and ran its own little story about whether fans should boo or not.  The blogger who initially personally attacked me on Another [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ace</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1467</link>
		<dc:creator>Ace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 17:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point about being respectful of your fellow fans is actually a great one. Shouting curse words, and being generally a drunken, obnoxious asshole for the entire game is not ok. No one who buys a ticket to a game expects that - nor should they.

But they do expect there is a chance they&#039;ll hear some boos. And if they don&#039;t expect that, they&#039;ve got to realign their sense of reality.

I think there&#039;s a balance (that if I may be so bold, I walk quite nicely) between disrespecting the other fans and the players, and expressing oneself in virtually the only way that the players will hear.

&quot;What we do know is that MLB players bust their ass more than the average person and in more ways than the average person just to get there and to stay at that level.&quot;

Had to drop a comment to this one - you&#039;re right, they do. They work 10 times as hard as the average person. And then they get paid 100 times as much. Of all the aspects of this debate, I&#039;m not going to lose any sleep over the hard-working ball players.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point about being respectful of your fellow fans is actually a great one. Shouting curse words, and being generally a drunken, obnoxious asshole for the entire game is not ok. No one who buys a ticket to a game expects that &#8211; nor should they.</p>
<p>But they do expect there is a chance they&#8217;ll hear some boos. And if they don&#8217;t expect that, they&#8217;ve got to realign their sense of reality.</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a balance (that if I may be so bold, I walk quite nicely) between disrespecting the other fans and the players, and expressing oneself in virtually the only way that the players will hear.</p>
<p>&#8220;What we do know is that MLB players bust their ass more than the average person and in more ways than the average person just to get there and to stay at that level.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had to drop a comment to this one &#8211; you&#8217;re right, they do. They work 10 times as hard as the average person. And then they get paid 100 times as much. Of all the aspects of this debate, I&#8217;m not going to lose any sleep over the hard-working ball players.</p>
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		<title>By: MB21</title>
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		<dc:creator>MB21</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not true, Norman.  Think about it.  Do you honestly think the Cubs care if you pay for a ticket, buy drinks and merchandise and then boo?  They&#039;ll take your money every day and let you boo.  They couldn&#039;t care less since you&#039;ve paid them money.  They&#039;re laughing all the way to the bank.  The only real way to show your displeasure is not buy tickets, not purchase any merchandise and not watch the games.  That would actually hurt the Cubs in a way they might care about.  I can&#039;t stand booing as you know, but if you want to pay me $50 to come into my place of employment and heckle me and and boo me every day, I&#039;ll gladly take your money, and your abuse.  

You want to boo someone who isn&#039;t trying, fine.  I don&#039;t like it, but it&#039;s at least understandable.  The only problem is that we really can&#039;t tell when someone is trying or not.  If Soriano jogged after a fly ball we might think he&#039;s not trying, but then we might find out he has a sore knee and has played through it for a month and rather than be subjected to abuse, we might praise the guy for playing through pain.  Simply put, as a fan we have no way of knowing what is actually going on down on the field when it comes to effort.  We don&#039;t have enough information.  What we do know is that MLB players bust their ass more than the average person and in more ways than the average person just to get there and to stay at that level.  That we know for a fact.  We know for a fact that they all bust their ass and in reality, work harder than any of us in perfecting their craft.  What happens in an individual game we don&#039;t know why it happened and unless we know why it happened it&#039;s kind of silly to boo, don&#039;t you think?  

You may think you&#039;re booing someone who isn&#039;t trying, but as I already pointed out with Soriano, we didn&#039;t know the whole story and despite not knowing it, he&#039;s showed little sign of it.  He&#039;s busted his ass in ways that the average person simply could not do.  and you know what?  He&#039;ll get repaid for that by fans booing the next time he fucks up.  

What annoys me most of all about booing isn&#039;t that it&#039;s ridiculing or abusing the players.  It&#039;s that I have a reasonable expectation of going to the ballpark with my family and being able to enjoy the game.  i don&#039;t ask for much.  I&#039;m not asking for anything other than the people around me to consider that I may find that behavior atrocious.  Unfortunately, I no longer have the reasonable expectation that will happen.  I can now reasonably expect the fans around me to be complete assholes and not care at all about me.  It&#039;s selfish.  It&#039;s rude.  It&#039;s annoying.  It&#039;s childish.  And a whole lot more.  Most of all, I can no longer go to a game because people feel they must pay lots of money to a team and then show their displeasure in the way that has the least amount of impact.  

You may feel as though I went too far as you said in your response, but it was you who went too far.  It was you who disregarded how others feel about obnoxious behavior.  It was you who then justified those childish actions.  It was your selfish actions that makes me think two or three times about actually going to a game.  It was your actions that have made me not attend a game in Chicago in 8 years (I go elsewhere to watch the Cubs because of you). It was you who told me flat out that you didn&#039;t care if you ruined the experience for me and others around you.  You&#039;re like the person at the movies who keeps talking.  you don&#039;t care about the people around you.  I didn&#039;t feel as though I owed you an ounce of respect at that point.  You&#039;re the one who has to look in the mirror and justify childish, obnoxious and unruly behavior.  You&#039;re the one who said Fuck You to me.

I simply pointed out how much it irritated me that someone would have no disregard for others around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not true, Norman.  Think about it.  Do you honestly think the Cubs care if you pay for a ticket, buy drinks and merchandise and then boo?  They&#8217;ll take your money every day and let you boo.  They couldn&#8217;t care less since you&#8217;ve paid them money.  They&#8217;re laughing all the way to the bank.  The only real way to show your displeasure is not buy tickets, not purchase any merchandise and not watch the games.  That would actually hurt the Cubs in a way they might care about.  I can&#8217;t stand booing as you know, but if you want to pay me $50 to come into my place of employment and heckle me and and boo me every day, I&#8217;ll gladly take your money, and your abuse.  </p>
<p>You want to boo someone who isn&#8217;t trying, fine.  I don&#8217;t like it, but it&#8217;s at least understandable.  The only problem is that we really can&#8217;t tell when someone is trying or not.  If Soriano jogged after a fly ball we might think he&#8217;s not trying, but then we might find out he has a sore knee and has played through it for a month and rather than be subjected to abuse, we might praise the guy for playing through pain.  Simply put, as a fan we have no way of knowing what is actually going on down on the field when it comes to effort.  We don&#8217;t have enough information.  What we do know is that MLB players bust their ass more than the average person and in more ways than the average person just to get there and to stay at that level.  That we know for a fact.  We know for a fact that they all bust their ass and in reality, work harder than any of us in perfecting their craft.  What happens in an individual game we don&#8217;t know why it happened and unless we know why it happened it&#8217;s kind of silly to boo, don&#8217;t you think?  </p>
<p>You may think you&#8217;re booing someone who isn&#8217;t trying, but as I already pointed out with Soriano, we didn&#8217;t know the whole story and despite not knowing it, he&#8217;s showed little sign of it.  He&#8217;s busted his ass in ways that the average person simply could not do.  and you know what?  He&#8217;ll get repaid for that by fans booing the next time he fucks up.  </p>
<p>What annoys me most of all about booing isn&#8217;t that it&#8217;s ridiculing or abusing the players.  It&#8217;s that I have a reasonable expectation of going to the ballpark with my family and being able to enjoy the game.  i don&#8217;t ask for much.  I&#8217;m not asking for anything other than the people around me to consider that I may find that behavior atrocious.  Unfortunately, I no longer have the reasonable expectation that will happen.  I can now reasonably expect the fans around me to be complete assholes and not care at all about me.  It&#8217;s selfish.  It&#8217;s rude.  It&#8217;s annoying.  It&#8217;s childish.  And a whole lot more.  Most of all, I can no longer go to a game because people feel they must pay lots of money to a team and then show their displeasure in the way that has the least amount of impact.  </p>
<p>You may feel as though I went too far as you said in your response, but it was you who went too far.  It was you who disregarded how others feel about obnoxious behavior.  It was you who then justified those childish actions.  It was your selfish actions that makes me think two or three times about actually going to a game.  It was your actions that have made me not attend a game in Chicago in 8 years (I go elsewhere to watch the Cubs because of you). It was you who told me flat out that you didn&#8217;t care if you ruined the experience for me and others around you.  You&#8217;re like the person at the movies who keeps talking.  you don&#8217;t care about the people around you.  I didn&#8217;t feel as though I owed you an ounce of respect at that point.  You&#8217;re the one who has to look in the mirror and justify childish, obnoxious and unruly behavior.  You&#8217;re the one who said Fuck You to me.</p>
<p>I simply pointed out how much it irritated me that someone would have no disregard for others around them.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormin Norman Disciple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormin Norman Disciple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely!  There has to be some sense of accountability and on top of that the only way we can express displeasure, or approval, is by booing or cheering!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely!  There has to be some sense of accountability and on top of that the only way we can express displeasure, or approval, is by booing or cheering!</p>
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		<title>By: Zoner</title>
		<link>http://www.bleachernation.com/2009/05/30/the-cublogoverse-is-booooooooo/comment-page-1/#comment-1464</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 16:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff as usual. I boo, mostly in response to lack of hustle. And Cardinals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff as usual. I boo, mostly in response to lack of hustle. And Cardinals.</p>
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