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  • Jayson Stark takes an extended look at the two big boys on the market this Winter: Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder. After speaking with “a dozen executives from clubs that are unlikely to participate in this auction,” Stark was able to lay out the following expectations: the average projection for Pujols was 8.5 years at just over $28 million per year (as high as $300 millions over 10 years, and as low as $90 million over 3 years), while the average projection for Fielder was about 7 years and $22.5 million per year. Stark doesn’t think Fielder will take a deal with an average annual value under $25 million, though – the amount Ryan Howard got on his recent extension. As for landing spots, every executive but one said Pujols would stay in St. Louis (the lone dissenter had him coming to the Cubs), and Fielder’s votes were split evenly among Texas, Baltimore, Miami, Seattle, Washington, and Chicago.
  • The Marlins, who are meeting with Pujols today, plan to make an aggressive offer for the first baseman. With a new stadium to fill, it’s not a surprise. You can expect the Marlins to be serious bidders on a great number of free agents this year.
  • The Angels might consider Pujols or Fielder, too. “Don’t assume that we have no interest in Fielder or Pujols,” Angels’ GM Jerry Dipoto said. “We don’t want to lock the door. We are a high-revenue team and I’m a big believer in acquiring impact players. However, they are not our greatest need and are not priority number one on our list.”
  • The Dodgers, on the other hand, are not expected to be able to make serious offers to big names like Pujols and Fielder until the team is sold. Ditto Orioles on the no big-time free agent thing. And the Rangers probably won’t make an offer on either of them if it requires seven or eight years.
  • Jon Heyman doesn’t see Pujols leaving the Cardinals for an extra $20 million. It’ll take a huge offer to get him to leave.
  • Every article you read on Pujols’ free agency cites the Cubs as one of his expected pursuers, but, do you still get that sense? I don’t. I think the Cubs would consider Pujols for big money despite his age, but only if he came for about five years. I just don’t see Pujols doing that.
  • Remember when I said earlier this week that it “felt” like CJ Wilson’s expected contract had fallen far from the $100 million range? Well, now there’s word that if it exceeds a “mere” five years and $75 million, the Rangers will probably bow out of the bidding. And that’s about where his contract is expected to be at this point. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a big commitment to a guy with such a limited track record as a starter, but … at five years and $75 million, I can’t be the only guy thinking the Cubs should be bidding.
  • That 4-year, $44 million deal the Phillies had in place with closer Ryan Madson might never have been in place to begin with. That’s according to Phillies’ GM, Ruben Amaro. The Phillies are now checking out Jonathon Papelbon, and, from the Cubs’ perspective, the only hope is that whomever they land on, they give the guy a healthy contract – thus increasing the attractiveness of Carlos Marmol’s two-year, $17 million deal. Of course, there are still some “affordable” closer options on the market, including Jonathan Broxton, Joe Nathan, and Brad Lidge. UPDATE: As I was typing, the Phillies signed Papelbon to a deal that is around four years and $50 million (with a vesting option that could take the deal over $60 million). Yo. That’s good news, generally speaking.
  • Yoenis Cespedes is expected to get more than the six-year, $30.5 million deal Aroldis Chapman got from the Reds. The Cubs are listed as one of his possible suitors in that article, something I heard from a source earlier this week.
  • Stark cites a couple sources in his Fielder/Pujols article who are concerned that Yu Darvish hasn’t been posted yet, and Jon Heyman hears the same. Because the process takes so long, even if Darvish were posted today, the team winning the bid might not know it until late December. And then it can take another 30 days to negotiate a contract. In short: time is ticking. Of course, wouldn’t that be a nice pre-negotiating tactic? Wait on the posting, so that by the time the “winning” team gets to negotiate with Darvish, it’s so late in the offseason that all the other quality arms have been signed. There goes your leverage, and up goes Darvish’s price.
  • Mark Buehrle says he won’t be giving a hometown discount to the Sox, and sources indicate there are as many as 10 teams interested in the 32-year-old lefty.
  • The White Sox will listen to offers on John Danks, Gavin Floyd, and Carlos Quentin – all of whom could potentially interest the Cubs.
  • The Reds aren’t expected to be heavy players in the free agent market this year.
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  • Cliffy

    Papelbon 4 years 50 million. Boston radio trashing him as he leaves similar to Francona, nice fans.

    • Fishin Phil

      I’m beginning to think they would have trashed Mother Theresa.

       

      • bacboris

        Well she did go to India and didn’t wash their cars, shovel their driveways, and blah blah (fill in whatever Boston fans apparently think they are entitled to now).

        I mean it was bad with the Yankees but at least they had the track record to go with the pompousness. These guys are just ridiculous and I cant wait for the Rays under Friedman and Toronto under AA to start kicking their backsides.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I don’t get them. In any event, updated to reflect the signing (which happened while I typed), which is good news in the Marmol arena.

    • hansman1982

      Boston needs to hire Hendry, they will soon appreciate a good front office and player talent the way they should.

  • Fishin Phil

    I’m not sure exactly why, but I have never been a big Carlos Quentin fan.

  • Roland Perrelli

    Fielder 6 yrs $25 million seems like Cubs should be players in that. With all that money off the books and he is only 28….

  • Robbo

    Does LeBron know that Pujols is raiding his wardrobe? Looks same as “the decision” shirt

    • hardtop

      huh?  thats not pujols, thats my gay hairdresser.

  • Todd

    Does anyone here think the Cubs could get Fielder at a short-term, high annual salary? This is what the Dodgers did to steal Furcal from the Cubs (it was widely assumed the Cubs were going to sign him) a few years ago. I’m talking about something in the 4/112 range. This allows the Cubs to pay a slight annual premium to mitigate the long-term risk and also allows Fielder for a second “prime” contract. Any thoughts?

    *I had to edit this post. I meant 4/112m… geez 4/122 makes me sound insane

    • Alex

      Good point Todd. Fielder will be right around Pujols’ age when this contract would be up.

    • CubFan Paul

      Fielder’s Agent is Scott Boras

      • Todd

        True, his agent is Boras. If the market rate for Fielder is, let’s say, 23m/per; do you think an initial offer of 4/104m would at least bring them back to the negotiating table? I would prefer the Cubs to pay 4 or 5 years at a premium, than 6 years at fair market value. Probably just wishful thinking.

        • CubFan Paul

          its wishful thinking. because Boras will want the Years and most guaranteed money locked up now, because he doesnt want a 32yr Fielder as a free agent ..6yrs/$138million accomplishes that, add two Club option years @$20million a piece, with a $5-10million buyout and Fielder has a contract thats more than Texiera, Howard & Gonzales

  • hardtop

    id take gavin floyd.  he’s not young but not old (for a pitcher) either. reasonable salary too.  id take him before wilson. wonder what the price will be?

  • Todd

    Because the Marlins and their new ballpark are a topic of interest in this thread, here is the link to their atrocious new logo.

    • Kerf

      Wow – that’s awful! I can’t wait to see what thier uniforms look like. There are a ton of bright colors in that bad boy.  I guess it’ll turn out to be like the Mets alternate uni but with a the yellow and red? Should be interesting.

      Speaking of logos and uniforms – I don’t remember which radio station it was but someone said they thought the Cubs logo and uni’s should get a “refresh”. Interested to see how people feel about that. Generally I like to keep the traditional digs, but unlike the Blackhawks and Bears I don’t feel the same attachment to the Cubs’ “C”. Thoughts?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I’d pass on a redesign of the logo, in particular. The Cubs, in my opinion, have the best logo in all of baseball. Clean. Simple. Attractive. Historic. Meaningful.

        • Caleb

          Correct.

      • Todd

        I was thinking the same thing in regard to the Marlins uniforms. I don’t see how they can get a respectable uniform out of that logo and those colors. Twice as bad as the original Devil Ray uniforms.

        The Cubs’ “C” isn’t an iconic logo and I believe its origin is the Chicago Athletic Club, so it’s not even original, but I still wouldn’t change it. The only change I would make to the Cubs’ uniforms is to get rid of the blue jerseys and the red billed away cap.

        • Mike

          Theft rid of the red billed cap. This year they wore only all blue caps

        • Mike

          They got rid of the red billed cap. This year they wore only all blue caps

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Just saw this comment. Posted something similar, together with the uniforms. Yikes.

  • Fuzzy_cheeks

    With the Papplebon signing, will the Cubs make a run at Madson? I’d love to see Madson in Chicago.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Too expensive for a relative non-need, I’d guess.

  • CubFan Paul

    in other words Angels’ GM Jerry Dipoto means that he’s not going to overspend for the Prince or Pujols

    the most realistic suitor(s) left the 1B are: Cubs

    I can’t see/imagine the Nationals, Dodgers, Marlins or Mariners affording $23-$25million year for one guy ..Nolan Ryan has already said no thanks, the Yanks & Sawx are more than fine and Angels have been cheap for years now

    • Todd

      From what I’ve been reading, the Nationals and Marlins will be players in the free agent market.

      Edit: I believe the Nationals are the most likely suitors for Fielder.

      • Lou

        What about the Giants? They’ve been know to spend big on FA 1b? That pitching staff is still solid and with Fielder –That would help their pitching staff immensely.

    • http://cubbiescrib.com Luke

      Don’t forget, the Nationals gave a huge contract to an outfielder who probably didn’t deserve a contract that big just last winter. They are spenders now, and potentially big spenders at that. If anyone puts an insane 10 year deal on the table for either Pujols or Fielder, I think it will be the Nationals.

      • CubFan Paul

        then the Nationals would have $40plus million a year tied up into Only 2 players. when you say that out loud, it doesn’t sound right. Boras will use them for leverage to try to get the R.Howard contract (5yrs/$125mil) but if the cubs offer Fielder a little more than market rate ( a 6yr $23mill/yr) Fielder will be a cub because i seriously dont see any other team offering the 6 years (because the Rangers are out, the Angels are cheap & no other A.L. team needs or can afford him, this includes the Mariners) or the annual market rate average.

        Miami is bluffing, they’ve kept Low payrolls for a reason & to sign a player to 25% of their payroll makes no sense at all &they know it. the miami media wants Pujols/Fielder. if they sign one of the two they wouldn’t be able to sign Yeonis, buerle, or reyes

        and the Dodgers are a mess, despite the big market, the sale &the need to lock up Kemp and others will keep them from being serious

        • CubFan Paul

          basically im saying Pujols stays in STL and Fielder becomes a Cub. if Pujols leaves STL it’l be to an A.L. team and only the Angels make sense

          • http://cubbiescrib.com Luke

            I agree on Pujols staying in St Louis (now… can the Cardinals afford him after giving contracts to Holliday and Berkman? That’s a different issue).

            Fielder… I’ll go Toronto with Texas as a wild card. If he stays in the NL, it will be on a short deal, something in the 3-4 year range, and then he’ll try for a second big contact. Instead of that, I think Boras will focus on getting him as many years as possible now, just in case he falls off after age 30 like a lot of people suspect he will. And I don’t see any NL team (except the Nationals, because I’m not sure they are completely sane over there), going more than six years on the guy. I think Toronto could be talked up to seven or eight.

            But can you imagine that Texas lineup with Fielder in the middle of it? Without having nightmares? Anaheim might over pay for him just to keep that from happening.

            • CubFan Paul

              Nolan Ryan was quoted today saying ‘no thanks’ to pujols And fielder because he likes his young 1B that he already has and Hamilton needs a neal mega deal soon

              and the BlueJays have no intentions to raise their payroll to add Fielder or Pujols. they would have to do some *major* payroll shifting around to give someone $20plus million ..in that market it would be a waste

              i’m tellin ya, pretty soon we’re going to see Boras babysitting for Theo, helping out the grounds crew, and chauffering Ricketts around to get the cubs to sign Fielder ..kinda like when he was all giggles last winter when Hendry signed a .198 hitter to $10million

  • Roland Perrelli

    I lived in Seattle for 5 years the normally run a high payroll. But they have not been competitive for a few years. I could not see any real thumper signing with the Mariners and their ballpark is widely known to be a pitchers park. It is hard to drive the ball in Safeco, it is more a gap to gap park.

  • Hawkeye

    Any chance we can move marmol to Boston as part of the theo compensation? They need a closer now. Maybe the two teams have been holding out so they can get a better handle om their needs. Thoughts?

    • http://cubbiescrib.com Luke

      Marmol would be way too much to give up in compensation, unless Boston is sending something significant back to the Cubs.

      It would be interesting if that compensation deal turned into something larger, but I don’t think there are any credible reports of that just yet.

      • Kyle

        I’d move Marmol to anyone who would take his contract.

    • Kerf

      I think Boston is set at closer with Bard so that’s probably off the table. Maybe is Marmol’s walks were down he’d be taken seriously as a setup guy…but with that pricetag it’d be a stretch.

  • johnbres2

    Why is the Papelbon signing good news on the Marmol front?  What do you mean that his two year deal is “attractive”?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      If the market for closers has shifted that dramatically, it makes Marmol and his “relatively cheap” deal seem more interesting. That’s all.

  • CubSouth

    I’ve heard reports that the Reds wont trade Votto this year but will not re-sign him after his contract is up next year. I highly doubt they let him just walk but does anyone know if he has a NTC or anything such in his contract? The losers in the Pujols/Fielder saga will more than likely biting at the bit to go after him next year.

    • hansman1982

      Either:

      1. The Reds are trying to get the Cubs’ eyes off of Fielder and will re-sign Votto before the season

      2. The Reds will deal Votto at the deadline and the Cubs will not get him

      3. Votto walks and the Cubs will pursue him if they dont get Fielder

      4. Unless Pujols somehow goes to Miami and the Marlins trade Gaby Sanchez whom the Cubs might get.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Keep in mind, Votto is signed through 2013.

        • CubFan Paul

          there’s no way that Cincy can afford that 2013 salary of $17million. especially if B.Phillips gets an extension past 2012 ..The Reds could get a whole lot more if they traded him now, but people are stubborn

  • Dumpman

    All sounds good. I doubt we go big money on anyone. I would be fine with 5/75 for Wilson. I’m more then willing to bet we deal some of our closer prospects for younger MLB players. A lot of these guys dont fill what our new leadership views as good bets going foward.

    Dont be surprised to see Vitters, Lake, Carpenter and others of that mold being dealt for good young players (Danks, Headley)

  • BetterNews

    Brett—What are your thoughts on picking up Big Papi. I know
    he is 35 years old, but it seems a three year would not bee to bad.

    I really don’t see any other option at first. I think Pujuls is out of the
    question, Fielder also, and leaves the Cubs with Pena as there best best
    option other than Ortiz.

    Your thoughts?

    • CubFan Paul

      3years?? I’ll have what you’re smoking please :)

      • BetterNews

        Why don’t you think that would work?

        • CubFan Paul

          Big Papi hasn’t played 1st Base more than 10times in a year since 2004 (34times) and he’s 35yrs OLD ..cubs are trying to get younger & better defensively, therefore making a Big Papi not a candidate

          • BetterNews

            I’ll of agree with some that. Yes defensively, it would be a downgrade.
            But look what he brings to the plate. I am not sure what he is
            going to be looking for contract wise, but it seems a three/33 mil
            package would be acceptable to him given his age.

            That would make him slightly more expensive than Pena.

            I am not a Boston Red Sox fan so I don’t know if he can play everyday
            Ist base, but it seems to me the last couple times he was at first,
            he was O.K. He didn’t look like a fifty year old or anyrhing.

            • Ol’CharlieBrown

              Not a bad idea. Matter of fact, what I’m about to say could be statistically wrong, but if I had to choose, I’d rather see Pena come back for another 2-3 years then Papi. I think Papi might be slightly more productive at the plate but I’m not sure he offers nearly the clubhouse presence and positive attitude that the Cubs need from a veteran. Pena certainly blows him out of the water defensively and would possibly be slightly cheaper. Plus I’ve lost a fair amount of respect for Papi ever since he was exposed for his PED usage and wouldn’t fess up to it and instead walked around wearing his gigantic paparazzi sunglasses for the next 2 weeks as if hiding his eyes was going to mask his guilt. Plus we don’t need to recreate Boston by having Theo in the front office (which I love), Francona as our manager and Papi playing first base. As we all know, I don’t want, nor does this need to be a Boston reunion at Wrigley.

              • BetterNews

                Ol’ Charlie Brown—You bring up good points as always.

                But I would just like to add, Theo is considering bringing Zamrano back! What kind of clubhouse presence is that?

                I see what your saying about making this Boston reunion,
                but if Pena is gone, what options are left.

                I on’t think you sign Pujols or Fielder to a huge longterm
                contract, that why we have The Sorianno and Zambrano
                debacles.

                • Lou

                  That’s why Theo’s interested in making trades. If Fielder or Puljos do sign with Miami (and I would rule that out), Sanchez becomes a trade piece.

                • Ol’CharlieBrown

                  BetterNews, it’s always good to know my thoughts are valued here.

                  Ha, I can’t argue much about Zambrano. Though, I have always thought that his attitude can be a good and bad thing. It’s like fire. If you can control it, it can cook for you; it can heat your house. If you can’t control it, it will burn everything around you and destroy you. I think Zambrano’s attitude could be used to his (and the team’s) advantage if he played for the Phillies or Yankees or any other team that is competitive and in the playoffs every year. He is an extremely competitive guy and I don’t care what ANYONE says, Carlos was damn right when he called Marmol and the team out after Marmol threw that slider to Theriot (of all people), knowing darn well that Theriot isn’t a good fastball hitter. Carlos was spot on. We stinks.

                  As for 1st base, unless we sign either Fielder or Pujols, I feel like we should try and either resign Pena for a few more years to hold us over or try and just platoon at 1st base, the latter could be ugly though. If we could get either Fielder or Pujols for say 5 years, I’d be happy as a dog with two tails. Either guy is going to be a huge impact for a team over the next few seasons. But with Pujols’ age and Fielders’ weight, I wouldn’t feel safe signing either one to much longer than 5 years. Like you said BetterNews, we don’t need another Soriano/Zambrano type of guy/contract on our team.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I fall on the “Papi can’t play reasonable defense anymore” side of things. And, at his age, I don’t think he’ll be hitting too much longer, either. Pass.

      • Dumpman

        I doubt Papi is even considered. If you want to go that route you mine as well resing Pena. I’d like to see a platoon 1B next year of Gomes and Cust.

      • BetterNews

        Brett—I see what your saying and I don’t know that I should even attempt this analogy,
        but Dave Winfield did not fall off the map offensively till he hit about 43
        I believe.

  • bleacher912

    I was hoping the cubs would continue the streak of Friday night press releases, and announce the new manager.I guess it’s not going to happen.

  • die hard

    for every $1 mil added to payroll thru free agency in 2012, the Cubs owe the fans a 1% decrease in ticket prices and concession prices…..so they want to add $50 mil in free agency contracts, then we get a 50% reduction….otherwise, we boycott Wrigley

  • joe

    I think the cubs need to sign Yu Darvish and Wei-Yin Chen. Ive got good feelings about them. Solidify the rotation. Add them to a rotation with garza, cashner, dempster. Add Yoenner Cespedes to the outfield with Brett Jackson and Marlon Byrd. Starlin Castro does his thing. Resign Pena to lead the clubhouse and hit homers. Marmol and Marshall lead an improved bullpen including samadijza, carpenter, mcnutt, dolis, beliveau, wood. Then the cubs have a solid team ready to compete in one year.

  • Sean

    Votto wont come to the Cubs he made it clear last year at the All Star Game he doesnt touch anyone in a cubs uniform. He has always hated the cubs because they clinched in cincinnati in 2007

    • CubFan Paul

      yea, you’re right. The Cubs money isn’t green, just everyone elses

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