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So much for the Chicago Cubs’ lack of money – which nobody really believed anyway.

According to CBS’s Jon Heyman, the Chicago Cubs are “definitely in [the] mix for [P]rince [Fielder” (Twitter has been a boon to the bracket industry). Ah, that “definitely” word again. Heyman notes that Fielder’s age, 27, makes him much more attractive to the Cubs than Albert Pujols, and notes that Fielder fills a number of holes for the Cubs, including first base, the cleanup spot, and power from the left side.

Heyman’s report comports with what I’ve heard about the Cubs’ interest, though I’d caution that I still doubt the Cubs would be willing to make an offer to Fielder for more than six years at the absolute longest – and it’s easy to see another team being willing to add on that seventh (or eighth) year. As they did with Pujols, I’d imagine the Cubs would prefer to make Fielder a shorter-term, higher annual dollar offer. Six years and $150 million seems about right, if not a bit high – but you will necessarily pay a premium for the kind of big bat that comes along only once every few years (if that).

Among those possible teams competing with the Cubs for Fielder’s services, according to Heyman’s colleague, Danny Knobler, are the Mariners, Blue Jays, Nationals, Orioles, and Marlins. Bruce Levine adds, “surprisingly,” the Dodgers to the mix. The Dodgers tendered embattled first baseman James Loney yesterday, and, given the team’s finances, “surprisingly” is the right word.

Both Levine and Knobler add the Rangers, but their involvement remains the subject of insider debate. Team president Nolan Ryan seemed to deny that the Rangers would have interest in Fielder last week at the Winter Meetings, and sources suggest the Rangers would prefer to add pitching with whatever dollars they have left to spend this Winter.

From the list of possible competitors for Fielder’s services, however, you can cross off Fielder’s former team, the Brewers. Yesterday’s signing of Aramis Ramirez took the Brewers out of the market for any other big money free agents (reliever Francisco Rodriguez’s acceptance of arbitration didn’t help, if I may be so bold), including Fielder, says GM Bob Melvin.

While we’re ruling teams out, Cardinals’ GM John Mozeliak said it was a “safe assumption” that the Cardinals will not be bidding on Prince Fielder.

  • Dougy D

    Did Melvin really say something along the lines of F-Rod accepting arbitration hurting their chances of signing Fielder? If that is the case, I would expect a disgruntled set up man.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      No. He said that the Ramirez signing closed the door on a Fielder return. The parenthetical is my own thought.

      • JulioZuleta

        Not sure if you already had it on here somewhere, but I just saw the terms of Ramirez was 3/$36. Too rich for my blood, but that’s about what I figured he would get. Probably a good call for him to opt out of the $16 million this year, although it’s completely possible he could have gotten at least a 2 year/$20 mil offer after next year to make it equal. Probably talking a difference of pennies (a couple million dollars) here.

  • Boog

    Once again, Heyman is really going out on a limb here reporting what everyone else already knew.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      But he added the word “definitely” !!!

      • Lou

        Good one :)

  • njriv

    Just hurry up and sign already! The suspense of him signing at anytime is killing me!

  • bgjacks

    i believe the the division is pretty much wide open…do we need a complete rebuild? granted we have pieces that dont fit but can we make it work? then in 2016 the cubs have TV and radio rights out for bid….angels 150 mil/year…cubs currently well under 40/mil..
    i like the idea of adding Saunders and Jackson as the 4/5 starters. then the addition of Fielder. re-sign wood for bullpen help. would leave you line up like this:
    Dejesus RF
    Castro SS
    Stewart 3rd
    Fielder 1st
    Soriano LF
    Byrd CF
    Soto C
    Barney 2nd
    With this lineup it leaves something to be desired. no protection, no power, not consistent..
    starting pitching
    Garza
    Dempster
    Zambrano
    Saunders
    Jackson
    back end of bullpen
    Marmol
    Wood
    Marshall

    • njriv

      Not to confident with that line-up, but I think that is the best it is going to get.

    • ferrets_bueller

      Ian Stewart with Fielder behind him suddenly seems quite threatening. Dude’s got power and isn’t afraid to use it…and if they can’t pitch around him with Fielder protecting, look out…

      • JB88

        Reverse that and I am on board. I like the idea of having your best power hitter hitting 3rd, more at bats, greater protection for a guy like Starlin if he ends up in the 2 hole this season.

        • bgjacks

          I reworked this line up several times…the problem is you have castro, byrd, dejesus they are basically the same…with the exception of castro being best of the trio…but were do you put them? we lack power and production (hr and rbi) in the outfield. there is no good option for protection for Fielder or whoever they get to play 1st.

          the problem i see with pitching is 4/5 starters have killed us over the last couple of seasons.  it needs to be addressed and not filled with hopeful rookies adn often injured talent.

          • Lou

            I see Castro batting third as well. The Cubs have too many #2 and #7 hitters for him not to be batting in the spot.

      • Kyle

        You don’t have to pitch around Ian Stewart to get him out. He already sees just 48% of his pitches in the zone.

  • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

    How about this:

    1-5 Guarranteed $25M per

    Year 6 and 7 are team options he can override to leave the club $20M per with $15M buyout in year 6 and $10M buyout in year 7. 

    Year 8 is $17.5M with team option and a buyout of $5M

    $5M a year in incentives for 6-7-8.

    Year 7 team option is taken away if is top 3 MVP for 2017 or 2016 and 2017 top 5 MVP.

    Total contract 8 years, $197.5M with $140M guarranteed, protection built in both ways

    • EQ76

      could work.

    • DRock

      Sounds good Hansman. Let’s get it done and starting building around Prince and Starlin. Can’t wait to watch him hit bombs out onto Waveland and hopefully be a foundational piece to our Championship team in the next few years!

    • Smitty

      I like the idea of this. If only these agents would agree to stuff like this.

    • NL_Cubs

      Don’t forget to include the “Tub-O-Goo” clause as protection for when he balloons bigger than ever…i.e.C.C.

    • CubSouth

      Love it! I think that is the best route the Cubs can and should take. My only problem is u have one or two Hendry’s out there on other teams and they will give Fielder what he wants and that’s a NTC and player options on the back end. I believe it may hurt us now with a better FO but in 3-4 yrs, we will be reaping the rewards while the Angels of MlB will be sulking in their own misery.

    • CubFan Paul

      thats about what i predicted: 6yrs $138million guaranteed w/ club options

      i bet Fielder/Boras wants an opt out after the 5th year so that be has a shot at the Yankees (or at least the opportunity to renegotiate for more if Fielder slims down at 32yrs old)

      • Cheryl

        Acually a optout provision at age 32 may be the protection that both sides want. Hansman’s idea provides flexibility and protection later on. Though I would still rather get the pitching in gear first this may work.

      • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

        If they want to shift the “Ramirez Option” year ahead one and make year 6 a similar option, that is fine, put the buyout in year 5 at $25M.

    • MoneyBoy

      hansman … I heartily congratulate your post !!!   It’s thinking way outside the box, protects both the player and the team, and is (relatively – given he’s a Boras client) financially reasonable.

      “Year 7 team option is taken away”  May I assume you mean to say that the option vests (or is guaranteed) if those criterion are met?

  • Cardfan

    I have thought all along that he would end up with the Cubs. The entrance of the Dodgers in the equation gives me pause now. The Angels FO is, understandably, looking to cash in on an LA fan base that has grown less excited about the Dodgers. Kemp isn’t going to carry the day alone, so the addition of a marquee player would be interesting indeed. You may be in for some competition here.

  • Chris

    If we can’t for some reason land Price has there been any mention of Michael Cuddyer? He can play First and would bee cheaper and could spend more money to land Darvish or Cepedes

  • die hard

    Are Ronnie Cedeno and Rick Ankiel still on the market?….if so, wouldnt mind having either or both on Cubs and each wouldnt hit payroll that hard

    • NL_Cubs

      You’re kidding, right?!

      • die hard

        Cedeno would be nice back up to Castro and Barney and would also serve as tutor…Ankiel could replace Johnson….Sure each would accept 2 yr contract with team option on 3rd..

        • njriv

          Don’t mind Ankiel, but what would Cedeno teach Barney? How to slide head-first into first base?

      • MoneyBoy

        NL … sadly, he’s not.

        ::sigh:: die hard, the Cubs have a bucket full of kids in the minors if they need a backup for Castro.  Not only does Cedeno have NO plate discipline he still, after all these years, makes far too many errors on routine ground balls to serve ANY value.

        • die hard

          glass half full….kids could learn from him what not to do if ur right…

          • Kyle L

            Can’t argue with that logic….

          • BPaoni

            Or pick up bad habits

  • live soft

    we could get ankiel to pitch and milk toast to catch

  • JulioZuleta

    I really want to see some type of resolution to the Cespedes thing. We’ll know on Darvish tomorrow, and honestly, I realllllly hope we aren’t the high bid. I don’t think Theo would risk a Matsuzaka part deux. Japanese pitchers are incredibly hard to project. Think about it, one of the most dominant hitters in Japan last eyar was Matt Murton, who couldn’t cut it here. If the best hitters are proven to be major league busts, why do we think the best pitchers are going to be stars. I know there are exceptions, but the high contract + the huge posting fee are way more than I’m comfortable spending on a guy like him. Plus, I’ve read Darvish is a real tool; I can easily see how a guy who bears a striking resemblance to a geisha and is that cocky could be in for a SERIOUS culture shock over here.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      One thing: we might not “know” on Darvish tomorrow. His team has until next Tuesday to accept the highest bid, so we might not know which team won until then.

      • JB88

        No upside to them waiting though. Utilizing the 4 day window is only worthwhile if the bids are so low ball that they are deciding whether to accept or reject. IMO, if there is a substantial and worthwhile bid, I think we’ll know by Friday morning Tokyo time, at the latest.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Maybe. There could be factors that we’re not aware of, which make them want to wait to the last moment to announce that they’ve accepted. I’m not saying it goes one way or the other – just saying it’s possible it could go until Tuesday.

          • JB88

            Oh for certain. And there may also be cultural reasons that they wait until Tuesday.

            Not that I expect this of you, but does anyone know what has historically happened from an announcement standpoint with posted players?

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              Ok, just researched, and the Matsuzaka timeline suggests that his team did wait until the last possible moment to accept (or to announce). He was posted on about November 2, 2006, and the Red Sox were revealed as the winner on November 13.

        • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

          Not sure how the process works, exactly, but it is possible that by waiting the full 4 days they could get a team to submit a bid, sweat over it for a few days and submit a higher bid.

  • chris margetis

    I’m with you Zuleta, I’ve read numerous articles saying how ridiculously arrogant Darvish is. Maybe it wouldn’t translate to the team with the language barrier, but the attitude is not what I’d want at all. Add that to your Murton comments (I never could figure out why everyone was so in love with a weak hitting, poor fielding, slow outfielder with a bad arm) and $100 million between posting and contract seems like quite a reach.

  • Bjones

    Sign him and get it down. I hate reading every day of which team may or may not sign him. He arguably one of the better offensive and defensive threats we had in the past 20 years (right behind Puljos). Give him what he wants. Cubs fans want him for his bat and glove. Need I say more.

  • http://Bleachernation Ramy16

    As several of you know… Aramis is my favorite player… It’s really sad not to see him in a Cubs uniform! Let’s go get Kendry Morales… He’s a yr older still has pop and less money.. We could turn that money into pitching!! Pitching wins your ball games as you all know!! There’s definitely improvement for the outfield .. Dejesus is a great pick up! I am interested to see if Theo pulls the trigger for Morales.. With that Cuban player in the mix it should be easier to sign cespedes

  • Lou

    When you look at the list of favorites for Fielder, the Blue Jays, the Orioles, the Nationals, and the Mariners–I don’t know, I just don’t see many of these teams bidding up the Prince Fielder sweepstakes. With the Nationals and Mariners, cost has to be a factor. The Blue Jays could very well be in the Darvish bidding which IMO would prohibit a Fielder and even if they don’t win that bid, it’s not like offense is the Jays problem. The Orioles—pass. They seem in favor of the rebuilding the Cubs are in favor of doing. And the Rangers could also win the Darvish sweepstakes, which would make sense to counteract and take some focus away from the Puljos signing. It just seems like everything points to a fit between Fielder and the Cubs.

    • MoneyBoy

      Lou — Seattle could be a player as Bradley’s $13mm comes oft the books and Ichiro is also off after 2012 … that’s a lot of coin that’s available for Fielder.

      I just wonder if Seattle, with Ichiro leaving, could be an “under the radar” bidder on Darvish.

      • die hard

        wouldnt be under the radar as GM, who signed Fielder originally, has state publicaly he wants more power and a starting pitcher….which is why I proposed trades with Seattle early on as they have some decent above avg players who could help the Cubs like Ackley and Smoak….

      • Lou

        Seattle could be–but they have Smoak…which they pried away from a division rival and they have younger, potentially more productive pieces on the pitching and offensive side of things. They might have money coming off the books, but I read on Fangraphs that if they signed Fielder, they would be devoting 20% of their MLB salaries to one player. With lots of players coming up through their system and a $100 mil payroll, I don’t know if signing Fielder for them is a smart move.

  • baseballet

    http://www.chicagonow.com/cubs-den/2011/12/should-cubs-extend-garza-and-funnel-resources-toward-pitching/
    Blog post showing possible alternatives to pursuing Fielder… I like this plan much better than using all that money on Prince.

    • Kyle

      Unless Ricketts is slashing the total baseball budget by at least $15 million and maybe more, we can afford both Fielder and a Garza contract extension.

    • cubsklm

      Great article. That’s why I wouldn’t waste a dime on guys like Luke Scott.
      They have to add a couple of arms, good crop available, Darvish, Saunders, Jackson, Volstad.

      I still want them to get a lead off hitter. We have to consider DeJesus is on the decline.
      I don’t want to see an OF of Soriano, Byrd, and DeJesus. the Cubs will have the least productive OF in the majors.

  • Kevin

    it is hard to imagine a Boras client signing for anything less than the highest offer available. Unfortunately that most likely will not be the Cubs. There will be little to no interest in a shortened deal with a higher annual salary. Players like Carlos Pena(Boras client) will take shorter deals, the elite will most likely not. Although i would love to be wrong because as of this Saturday i am a Cubs season ticket holder.

  • NebCub

    I have a feeling whether we go after Fielder or Morales all depends on whether or not we are the highest bidder for Darvish.

  • Michael Vazquez

    Brett, any word on Cespedes being posted yet? If/when he’s posted, The Cubs should really bid high for this guy. He looks really good.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Cespedes isn’t being posted, he’ll be a true free agent (defected from Cuba) as soon as his residency in the Dominican Republic is confirmed and the proper paperwork is filed with MLB. All of this was expected to be completed a week or two ago. I haven’t heard anyone sounding the alarms, so there is no reason to believe he won’t be declared a free agent any day now. I would imagine he’ll sign soon after, because I figure teams have let him know what they’re willing to pay.

      • JasonB

        You’d think Castro would have developed a posting system for defectors by now

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Except the whole embargo thing…

          • JasonB

            There you go with throwing around things like common sense again :)

      • Michael Vazquez

        Oh ok thanks. I read the Cubs scouted him in the DR and heard Cubs are expected to pursue him, what are their chances of signing when indeed his residency in the DR is completed and become a free agent? I also heard about another Cuban Jorge Soler, what’s the latest on him? The same?? Also one more question, Brett. Are there ANY team interested in Soriano/Bryd? I read the Cubs tried to interest the Orioles for Soriano but they said no chance. There has to be a team out there, have you heard anything?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Cubs are interested in both Cespedes and Soler, and will probably make an offer on each. No idea whether they’ll land either, though. I’m not aware of the Cubs shopping Byrd, and I don’t think there’s much interest in Soriano. But it only takes one.

          • die hard

            Cuban baseball or Japanese baseball players compare favorably to AAA or AAAA ballplayers here….so any salary offers should likewise compare….anything more offered by the Ricketts family may prompt creditors to start involuntary bankruptcy proceedings.

  • Eric

    Could someone explain brackets in quotes. I thought I heard it meant writer was filling in missing words for quoted author. Did the original text say “definitely in mix for rince”. Can someone please explain those brackets for me? Not knowing is driving me crazy finally.

  • die hard

    if Fielder lands elsewhere, Cubs could package deal with Marlins for Ramirez to play SS with Castro moving to 3B and Stewart moving to1B. Would Marlins take DeWitt to play 3B, Campana as 4th OF and Russell for bullpen for instance to make this deal?

    • live soft

      I thought sorryanus was at first and soto already at catcher,, and marmal already behind the plate? That would leave 2nd open for castro, and im sure campo could play short. maybee dejesus could pitch, and play the kids in the outfield

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        You forgot Dick Tridow as player/manager who catches his own pitches and then covers all outfield positions by himself.

        • die hard

          Tidrow would not have traded Colvin and Lamaheu for Stewart and Whatshisname…Theo may have made huge mistake here…He also would not have made such deals as getting Gagne after suspecting his steroid use….But with signing of Sveum in light of Braun allegations, such stuff may not concern Theo….who knows what other corners he would cut or risks he would take with the Ricketts’ fortune….they may have buyers remorse now too..

          • Kyle L

            Die Hard….WOW

        • Katie

          Big Dick Tidrow’s mustache lead the league in RBI, HR, and it’s widely accepted that one hair could impregnate every woman in a 75 mile radius.

      • die hard

        ok by me…anything worth trying…Soto will outhit Stewart…Soriano/LaHair combo at 1B is way they should go to save money…Campo in LF and leadoff would drive teams nuts as he would get on base twice per game and have 40 SB by All-Star break…Weathers could end up OF/ PH after pitching experiment fails…mix and match is best way…Castro could play anywhere but where should he play?…RF is where he should be and once relaxes there could be next Clemente….just saying

        • Nomar’s Left Glove

          Seriously, do you say these things for attention or do you really wander through the world with ideas this bad crashing around in your skull? I’m not trying to be rude, I’m genuinely baffled by you.

          • Kyle L

            Don’t discourage die hard. His posts bring me much joy.

        • Katie

          Toke, toke, pass dude! You’re bogarting all the good shit. Whatever you’re smoking to make you think Soriano should play 1B is something I need to get my hands on.

          • miggy80

            Eastside! I know you are

  • johnbres2

    wonder why the Cards not interested….

    • die hard

      Curious whether Theo would make trade for Ramirez as it was Theo who traded Ramirez in 2005 for Beckett if I recall correctly…would be ironic and could be the type of the shot in the arm that Cubs could use to contend…..

  • Mike F

    Brett you’re right. Tomorrow the commissioner will notify the Nippon team what the amount of the winning bid is, but not who the team is. The Nippon team then has 4 days to decide whether to accept the bid. I thought when I originally read this the bid’s could be down, but given the competition and given level of interest in the guy, it’s highly unlikely Nippon would accept a bargain basement bid and anyone would insult them. Darvish is 25, so Nippon could easily wait another 2 years and gamble for economic improvement were teams to do that. I think a bid less than 60M is highly unlikely, and until Nippon decides to accept or reject we won’t know who the winning team is. It suffices to say, it’s unlikely that it’s less than 51 Million and highly likely that the bid to be accepted would have to a substantial new high.

  • Mike F

    And Darvish is under contract until 2014 with the Nippon team so there is no rush for them if they don’t get the dollars dollars they want. There is a very interesting New York Times in-depth piece and WSJ Asia piece. I’m an old many. all of 55, and it is interesting that I forgot the fact that Soriano came to the yankees from Japan, I forgot all that. The whole posting system is for players under contract with the NJP and a uniform and fair way for them to get out and to the MLB and at the same time be fair in compensating NPJ teams.

    So I think to expect darkish coming to the US for less than 115 to 130 M is not going to happen. I guess it comes down to this, I just wonder why it wouldn’t be better to extend Garza for 4 years, sign Jackson for 3 years and put the money allotted to Darvish posting fee to a future contract or if they really strongly feel Fielder is the guy, then Fielder. Maybe they plan Darvish, Fielder and Jackson and pick up prospects, but you just end up projecting with prospects and no matter who we are, a lot of things have to go right for a prospect to achieve projected status. I keep wondering they worry about Garza’s arm or make-up. But we’ll see, I just think Davrish will end up a sizable investment and more sizable risk than Garza and Jackson. But I confess if he goes 18-3 and gets them to WS it’s worth it, and he does have a huge upside.

  • paul

    Mike,
    I think your are missing a few points in your article? Darvish doesn’t like the posting system, and he would be free from it at the end of next year. His team will more than likely take the bid they receive, because next year they would get nothing, and still lose him. Almost everything you say about Garza is true…. He is very cheap, he is controlable, he is good, therefore the Cubs could get a GREAT package in return for a trade. Don’t listen to die hard, the Cubs have the money. There are a lot of teams who cannot sign Darvish (or a high priced good picher) because he is good, and controlable, but he is costly. The Cubs are in a great position, trade Garza get a ton in return. Outbid lower market teams, and still get Darvish. Cubs still have good picher, but also lots of other players from the trade. WIN, WIN, WIN

  • paul

    Die hard,
    can you send me some of that stuff !!!! it must be really good.

  • Eric

    Brett you really gotta do something about diehard. As someone who has just started coming here recently. His ideas are so obviously stupid in an attempt to troll people. He’s a purposeful troll and he is really bogging down the overall positive experience I get when I come to your blog. To a point where I almost don’t even want to visit here, and I think he could be losing you viewership, if other people feel the same as I.

    • Nomar’s Left Glove

      Agreed

    • Katie

      Oh Eric, he’s not even the worst troll on here. Just wait. The freaks come out at night.

    • miggy80

      newby

    • Andy

      Been a fan of the site for a few months, first time post.

      I don’t think it’s fair to ban/censor DieHard just because his roster ideas are creative/absurd.

      If the consensus feels like he is “trolling,” then ignore his comments. Duh. Don’t cry to Brett though because you don’t like one of the other kids on the playground. Seriously, I feel embarrassed for him that he even has to consider the request.

      With that being said, I hope this offseason:
      1) we move Soriano (seems unlikely)
      2) we sign Fielder for 5 years w/ mutual option for 6th
      3) Zambrano actually gets his shit together next year (equivalent of big signing but doubtful)

      Skiddish on the Darvish posting… great upside, but the risk seems like it might be too expensive.

      • miggy80

        Nice post Andy, Brett is a lil under the weather today so let me be the first to say Welcome glad your a fan of the site.DieHard has been sharing a different view point with us for a while and glad you take it for what it is. Enjoy Bleacher Nation.

      • BetterNews

        I agree! There have been numerous ubsurd things said on this site by some veterans, and nobody is asking to have them removed! Yes, you ignore the comment if you want to and move on, its pretty simple.

        • Eric

          You’re just diehard with another name. You’re the only one I’ve ever seen actually agree with his stupid trades. Which tells me you’re posting on two accounts just to agree with yourself. And it’s hard to ignore when you are so desperately seeking attention. I’d wager you take up about 15% of all the posts on this blog.

          • paul

            Eric,
            I think you might be on to something. is die hard his source?

            • Eric

              No it’s just that: Diehard: Trade castro for 3 crap players, trade 3 crap cubs players for the Marlins unhappy shortstop. Something like that then Betternews: great idea bud, u r so smart. It’s pretty obvious. Anyway I know Brett’s not gonna stop him from posting here, I’m just going to point out my views. And if that hurts someones feelings, so be it. He’s hurting my eyes and my brain with his stupid comments.

              • BetterNews

                Your hurting our’s, trust me.

                • Eric

                  good, I meant for you to feel my pain.

          • miggy80

            whoa man chill, everybody stay calm. Every good democracy has a devils advocate.

          • BetterNews

            The best fans have “bigger” percentages, just like the best players do! Let that sink in for awhile and maybe you will get it.

  • Mike F

    I’m not and I think they can afford to pay whatever they please for Darvish, Fielder and even another pitcher, we agree on that. Here’s the thing that bothers me with Darvish. To sign Darvish, if let’s for the sake of discussion say they bid 60 M and Nippon accepts, they have to pay immediately on agreement to the Japanese team 60 Million plus whatever Darvish gets. I can’t remember the article that mentioned the Nippon team actually is in control of Darvish until 2014 and won’t accept less than what they think fair. I think it was either WSJ Asia or NY Times and they were advocating the Yankees as a serious bidder. But I could be wrong. But I originally misread the whole thing, that Selig notified the team they had won and they the Nippon club negotiated. Brett is right it’s a completely blind process.

    Again for the sake of argument if the Cubs offered 60M, the Nippon Club accepts or rejects without knowing it’s the Cubs. The Cubs then have 30 days and i think we would almost all agree they would try to wrap it up quickly. So were they to agree to lets say 5 years 70M which it could take, they would be under a normal 70 M arrangement paying year one over a normal schedule. What isn’t normal, is upon signing Darvish, they have 5 days to transfer 60M to the Nippon club in a lump sum unless I read something wrong. That’s a big investment for Darvish. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them do that, but it doesn’t really fit anything we have heard them say. Does it really fit what they have said publicly to pay as much 50-60 M to buy a player out of his contract and them 12 to 15 M a year more now?

    And I’m not concerned about them trading Garza other than I really didn’t like the Texas package. I strongly feel they should get the 2 best Ranger prospect pitchers, Feldman, Olt and another player. I personally wasn’t thrilled with one of the rumored pitchers and am as not as high on Olt as some are. My trade there would only occur in this given situation if got all 3 of their top pitching prospects and one player on their roster like Feldman. If they want him he’s a potential no 1 who could compete in that situation for a Cy Young. If Texas wants him they should pay to play, their 3 best pitching prospects.

    If the Cubs, Blue Jays, Rangers, Red Sox and Yankees are all interested, someone likely bids more than 60 Million. He’s apparently got more upside than Dice K and the pool of interest is too high and too competitive in my view to be much less than 60 and if they all want him someone will pay to play more than we think for a 25 year old.

    • BetterNews

      I think your getting too lost in all the hyotheticals.

  • Mike F

    Paul,

    Here’s where I got the 2014 it’s an excellent NY Times piece and there is one also on WSJ Asia, if anyone is interested google posting for japanese players.

    Anyway here it is lifted from the NY Times:

    “Darvish is 25 and will not become a free agent for the international market until after the 2014 season. If he is to be fitted for a major league uniform before then, it will have to be through the posting system, a transfer arrangement allowing players under contract in Japan to sign with major league teams ahead of free agency.”

  • Mike F

    I’m not lost at all. I wish they would have signed Pujols but don’t blame them for not chasing that amount, and I hope they sign Fielder. If they sign Jackson and make a run at Saunders. And if they pay 115 M to 130 M for Darvish I will be very happy. My whole point is just like those who have complained we need to play money ball, which I don’t agree with or those who say we can’t afford to do anything again which I don’t agree with, I simply am not sure a 1 year deal say for Saunders, a 3 or 4 for Edwin Jackson and extending Gaza along with making a run at Fielder wouldn’t be more productive. I think Theo is going to do a good job and I am on board, I just have concerns about Darvish, his acclimation, the posting fee and actually how good he is, just like people had concerns about paying Pujols or Wilson in their given situation. Add to that, 58 M for MB was too high and killed the interest. That to me is what the makes mechanics of Darvish so interesting. For the record I don’t think they will be the team making the huge bid, but I generally welcome any addition, especially in the situation we are in.

    Take a step back and at least recognize year 1 with Darvish you have an immediate cash outlay of 74Million likely. If you sign Fielder, Jackson, Saunders and extend Garza year one your cash outlay is a whopping 55 M or 19 M less. which is the best use of 50 plus million?

    • BetterNews

      Wow brother, I would really have to have time to go over your figures. I’ll leave that to the powers that be, because I simply don’t have the time nor do I want to do somebody’s job in figuring it out. I’m not getting paid millions. I do know Garza is not going anywhere, Fielder is being looked at, and Darvish is a long shot.

    • paul

      Mike,
      I didn’t try to be argumentative with you. If I ruffled feathers I am sorry. I guess I will go back to what I truely believe…..

      I am glad that the Cubs have a new front office. I trust their player evaluations a lot more than mine. I am very excited to win now, and build for the future. Then again,its not my money, and I think they have a lot of it, so lets spend the money and Win baby win

  • Mike F

    I know that and you didn’t ruffle my feathers I appreciate the discussion. I just read Levine’s discussion today and chat, it’s completely blew my mind. He basically said the same thing in a nicer package that Gammons said, they really don’t have the money to do anything of any consequence. He had said just the opposite and said it less than 72 hours ago they were players in Fielder and says now, it “appears” they may not be serious and have much of any interest. Pretty depressing stuff, so he quotes the 51 and 52 for Dice K and indicates they really aren’t even a position to do that with Darvish. He goes so far as to indicate they probably would allocate the kind of 10M a year deal it would take to get Jackson. Man he’s done and a 180 quickly I wonder if Gammons kidnapped them, but no harm.

    • BetterNews

      I still rest my case. with all those words what have yu really said?

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