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Yesterday, you could see smoke coming from the Chicago Cubs’ Wrigley Field offices from miles away – and, no, I’m not talking about that electrical fire (I told myself I wouldn’t make a lame fire joke … crud). I’m talking about the Cubs’ trade talks with multiple teams about their staff ace, Matt Garza. That smoke picked up as the day went along, and reached a thick, billowy black by last night. Here’s the latest:

  • In case you missed the update yesterday afternoon, the thrust was this: a source told me that the Cubs were in serious discussions with multiple teams about Matt Garza, and the source’s best guess was that there was a 90 percent chance Garza wouldn’t be with the team come Spring Training.
  • From there, Dave Kaplan said: “Hearing that talks on Matt Garza are heating up. Lots of interest because he is under control contractually for two more seasons. Price though is incredibly high so not sure if a deal gets done. Toronto, Yankees, Boston are all involved.”
  • Jim Bowden chimed in to say plainly that the Cubs and Blue Jays continue to discuss a Matt Garza deal.
  • Jon Heyman said that the Cubs are focused on receiving young pitching back in a deal for Garza, and noted that the Blue Jays and Yankees would have what it takes to put a package together.
  • Heyman added this morning that the Red Sox remain a possibility for Garza after landing Andrew Bailey to fill their void at closer yesterday. Ken Rosenthal also noted Garza as a possibility for the Red Sox yesterday after the Bailey deal. For what it’s worth, none of the players in the Bailey deal were names I was hearing attached to the Cubs’ talks with the Red Sox about Garza. That is to say only that the Bailey trade did not necessarily remove any critical pieces from the Red Sox’s system.
  • For my part, I was up late last night pulling info. Two sources independently told me that, as of late last night, the Cubs were pushing teams to start putting together their best offer for Garza. Both sources indicated the teams most heavily involved as of that time were the Blue Jays, Tigers and Yankees (those are not necessarily the only teams still involved – teams seem to come in and out of the picture – but they are the teams most heavily involved at last check).
  • Does that mean a trade will happen today or even at all? Nah. Of course not. It means, at most, that the Cubs are coming to a crossroads where they’d like to move the offseason ball forward. Either Garza will or will not open the season with the Cubs, and the organization would probably like to know which direction they’ll be going sooner rather than later. In other words, asking teams to make their best offer is not necessarily a precursor to selecting the best offer.
  • But, like, yeah: a lot of smoke.
  • T Wags

    I had a dream about 10 minutes ago that the cubs traded Garza to the tigers for 9 prospects including turner… As soon as I woke up I checked BN to see if it was real. Damn what’s wrong with me? Lol

    • JB88

      Personally, I’m crazy jealous that you were asleep until 10 minutes ago.

      • T Wags

        College kid on Christmas break man! Don’t be jealous this isn’t common haha

        • Wilbur

          Enjoy …

  • JR

    Brett, can you speculate what the potential packages for Garza may be? And has there been any talk of flipping some of the players for RIzzo?

    • JB88

      I may be in the minority, but for a variety of reasons I am really hesitant about the Cubs trying to acquire Rizzo. (1) San Diego knows the Cubs want Rizzo; (2) despite Rizzo being blocked, San Diego will try to hold the Cubs over a barrel to acquire Rizzo; (3) if Rizzo is the prospect many consider him, why did San Diego go out and try to acquire Alonso? That makes me concerned that SD has concerns about Rizzo; and (4) I’m concerned about things I’ve read about Rizzo’s swing needing refining. Long swings terrify me. Especially with a guy who is already 25 YO.

      • Matt

        He is 22 not 25.

      • JR

        JB88, those are legit concerns. I am sure San Diego wants to take it to Theo in the deal. But hopefully Theo is playing it chill, and acting like he is going after Prince and other first baseman too. It has been said his swing is a much better fit for Wrigley. He is actually 22 yrs old.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Very fair concerns, with one exception – Rizzo is just 22.

        • JB88

          Lack of coffee, delayed getting into the office over an hour due to train issues, or just confusing prospects … Pick any of ‘em as to why I was thinking Rizzo was 25. Mea culpa.

          • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

            Btw…Rizzo is 22…just in case you didnt know.

      • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

        Additionally, if the Cubs land Rizzo it will be interesting because of his 84 connections to Epstein and Hoyer and McLeod.  They obviously love the kid as it will be third time that some part of the three of them have targetted and acquired him.

  • Matt

    I actually like how they are taking a calm approach to this situation. If they would have traded him over a month ago, I am not sure they would have received in return what they will now. The Gio and Latos trades, and their returns really helped us out. I am excited at what this could bring. I am not overly excited about what we would receive from the Blue Jays. If possible, I would prefer Turner and Castellanos from the Tigers along with another prospect or two. Now if we are just flipping two of the pitching prospects for Rizzo I would be disappointed. We need pitching in our system. We really have no impact pitchers unless Maples ends up being that man.

    • JR

      I hear u. In an ideal world we would get some pitching talent back and get RIzzo out of Garza. Not sure how realistic that is..

    • Jim

      I would be disappointed if the Cubs flipped two pitching prospects for Rizzo – I could see one but Rizzo is not the type that would command two.

  • http://www.statefarm.com MRP

    For the forst time ever I am ok , with a complete rebuild. I’m happy that we have not heard 1 time that “This is the year.” I have no idea what the Jays , Yanks , or anyone else can offer for Garza but a Top of the roatation prospect , a 2B prospect that projects to MLB , + , would be a good return for an Ace with a couple of world series wins under his belt (him personally , not his team)

  • http://bleachnation.com DL Huyck

    Drabek and Lawrie would be my choice. Maybe even try to get another spect. Gose is a speed demon and potential lead off guy. Would they be intereested in taking Soriano off our hands at a discounted rate? So possibly this deal would work Drabek, Gose and Lawrie for Garza, Soriano and payroll relief.

    • Dabynsky

      You aren’t going to get Lawrie straight up for Garza, much less with Drabek and Gose added to it. Lawrie isn’t going anywhere unforunately. Drabek and Gose though very much could be involved in a deal. Though Levine specifically mentioned Marisinik as an OF the Cubs were looking at a couple of days ago in a chat.

      • Jim

        Plus adding Soriano to any trade with Garza is going to diminish the return the Cubs receive.

  • pfk

    Well, if the Cubs are indeed going to move Garza that means they are not in the Fielder sweepstakes. Fielder isn’t going to a team rebuilding and the Cubs aren’t going to spend a fortune on a single player when they are trying to improve all around with a youth movement.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      You are correct – it’s highly, highly, highly unlikely that the Cubs would, on the one hand, deal Garza, and then on the other, sign Fielder. Not impossible (with the money saved from dealing Garza, the Cubs could sign someone like Edwin Jackson, and then combine Fielder and Jackson with the young talent acquired to potentially be better in 2012 than without making the move – just saying it’s theoretically possible).

      • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

        It is also theoretically possible that in another universe the Chicago Cubs have won 27 world championships and are on year 8 of a 10 year deal with Albert Pujols.  I like to think that in this universe I am friends w/ benefits with Katy Perry and play second base for the Cubs.

        • justinjabs

          “I am friends w/ benefits with Katy Perry and play second base for the Cubs.”

           

          Living the dream life…

        • Hcs

          Wow, even in my alternate universe, I’m just the Cubs’ equipment manager, but at least in my spare time, I’m a rock star who writes Pulitzer prize winning stories. But you’re still the starting second baseman for the Cubs. So there’s that…

        • http://www.statefarm.com MRP

          Ha ha ha. Id be friends with benefits of Annie Cruz and Lilly Thai ! Infact we’d share an apartment !

      • Stinky Pete

        I don’t see it solely from the perspective of 2012, though.  You can sign Fielder to the 5-6 year contract and have him in place when the talent comes up.

  • T Wags

    Brett, is Henderson Alvarez a name you’ve been hearing? If we can get him plus Hutchison and Marisnik along with another prospect I’d be quite satisfied!

  • http://mysports1-Twitter Jim

    I like the notion Brett mentions of trading Garza for key prospects and using that money to snare Fielder with a 5 or 6 year deal and adding a pitcher like Edwin Jackson, combining a young team to grow in the next year or 2 with Fielder and Castro as the core. By year 3 the team will be attractive, will Fielder sign on with that premise?
    Also, Brett, why can’t we “tweet” your updates/columns?

    • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

      I guess I don’t understand the Jackson love.  When he signs this contract it could easily be his 6th team in 6 years of service time and there hasn’t been any discussions about him being connected to any teams.  There is something there that isn’t being discussed.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      What do you mean you can’t tweet them? I tweet them without a problem…

    • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

      It is easiest if you just follow @BleacherNation (and @CasualCubsFan – Brett I figured you wouldn’t mind since I am doing your job for you here) and retweet his tweets…and occasionally he posts other non-useless information on twitter

  • 2much2say

    There are multiple teams at the table? Leverage. This is a do or die ploy. You have to pull the trigger on the best offer or be prepared to offer an extension.

  • Matt

    The reason I personally prefer the Tigers deal over Toronto is the fact that Turner is 20. Castellanos is 19. Turner is knocking on the door and was a callup last year. Castellanos tore up the level where he was at and anything you read on him says how beautiful and effortless his swing is. All of the pitchers Toronto would offer are a little older. I love what Drabek can bring, but I prefer Turner.

    • ferrets_bueller

      I disagree- of all the mentioned suitors, detroit is definitely the worst, IMO.

      Turner is a potential stud, yes.  But they really don’t have much after that, including Castellanos, who has horrible plate discipline.  As I said the other day, aside from Turner, I think Detroit has a worse farm system than the Cubs do.

      • Dumpman

        I disagree. Turner is the best prospect we can get at this point. Turner will probabl be a top 10 prospect in all of baseball.

        What I;ve read is Turner, Oliver, and 2 Position players. That would be a good deal for Garza. Turner is that good.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I get the sense that the Cubs like Castellanos.

        • JB88

          Turner, Castellanos, Santa, and Eichhorn would be a nice haul. If you could somehow pry Smyly from Detroit too, it would be the mother load. I actually think the Tigers could be a darkhorse. Dombrowski has always been willing to make big moves and a rotation of Verlander and Garza might be enough to overtake Texas, Anaheim, and NYY next year.

          Plus with some of their hitters getting up their in age, Tigers might see their window starting to close.

      • Matt

        Really? Horrible plate discipline at 19??? He batted .312 / .367 ob% / 3 triples / 7 hr 76 rbi / but he did have 130 so… I will give you that, but those numbers at 19!!! He is 6’4″ and 195 lbs. He will grow into that frame, and I haven’t known too many polished patient hitters at 19 that play 3b. I would take this kid in a heartbeat. I went to a few Tin Caps games, and seen him play in town, and I never got the vibe he felt overmatched. Pre all-star he batted .291 w/ a .333 ob%. Post all-star he batted .331 w/ a .398 ob%. Don’t see where the problem is.

        • T Wags

          I think Castellanos would be a good piece but i really hope they get Smyly instead of Oliver. Oliver’s walks scare me. I’m tired of being among the leaders in the league in walks allowed every year….

  • Boogens

    Not that it really makes a difference or that anything can be done about it, but it will be interesting to compare the players the Cubs get for Garza after one year to the players we gave up. It won’t make much difference to draw any conclusions because the differences could be attributed to so many factors, such as a different market value for starters now, lack of genuine options along the free agent route, Garza’s perceived improvement among his suitors, competitiveness among the suitors, etc., but it could be a relief if we come out ahead.

    For some reason I wasn’t too upset last year about losing Archer in that deal. I was much more concerned about losing Lee and Guyer. Hopefully we can come out ahead.

    Last thing, I clearly like Garza and feel he’s a solid pitcher — one that I’m OK with being on our team in 2012 — but, am I the only one that feels like he’s currently over-valued and that we need to move him now while his value is at a high? He’s a really good #2 or great #3 but I just don’t feel he’s a #1 so I’ll be a little disappointed if we don’t trade him.

  • Irish cub

    Could we pry montero from the Yankees

    • ferrets_bueller

      I’d love if we did, as he is, by far, a much better 1B option than any other that has been mentioned, from Fielder to Rizzo.  However…I seriously doubt they would part with him.  They weren’t willing to deal him for Cliff Lee, I doubt they’d be willing to deal him for Garza.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I’m not saying Montero isn’t, in fact, available – but every pundit everywhere says he’s completely untouchable.

      • Hrubes20

        He actually WAS offered for Cliff Lee. Only half a year of Cliff Lee, at that. The M’s liked the Smoak package from Texas more. Idiots.

      • Kansas Cubs Fan

        Doesn’t everyone say Montero is the DH of the future for the Yankees because he is terrible behind the plate? And I’m pretty sure he has no experience at 1B.

        • Dumpman

          If you look at the Yanks roster, they would absolutely benefit from leaving the DH position open for a few guys getting older, such as Arod and Jeter.

          • Kansas Cubs Fan

            What are you saying?

        • JasonB

          Kansas – you are correct.  Based on everything I’ve heard, Montero should not be viewed as an everyday option at catcher and while he may have played some games at 1B, I would suspect that most of his work has been behind the plate.

          I think the primary reason people are saying that he is the future DH is due to the fact that he is blocked at 1B by Teixeira, who is a very good defensive 1B.  Montero would more than likely be an offense first 1B in the beginning but hopefully, he could learn to play the position.

          • Kansas Cubs Fan

            I’m sure he could learn to play 1B, but Hoyer and Epstein have been saying that they want players to be good defensively. And I don’t know if Montero would fit that mold.

            But his bat would be great to have in the lineup, just not sure about his glove.

             

            • JasonB

              Agreed but I think they may be willing to make exceptions in certain cases from time to time.  Having a cost controlled .300, 25-30 HR middle of the order hitter may be one of them.

              And we could always flip him for a haul, too.  Maybe we could get Rizzo and Erlin from SD for him?

              • Kansas Cubs Fan

                I don’t know why SD would be willing to give up a lot to get him. They already have Yonder Alonso.

                I think if Garza is traded to the Yanks and the Cubs got Montero in return, the best place to flip him to would be an AL club, like Seattle or Baltimore. Because it always seems like they’re in on the big bats, but the bats don’t want to go there.

                • JasonB

                  Good point and you’re right – they wouldn’t have much use for him.  And Seattle has a bunch of arms – just not many bats (not all that dissimilar from the major league team I guess).  Baltimore also has a few nice pieces.

  • Irish cub

    Imagine it Jesus and dejesus haha

  • Coach Al

    Trade Garza to Blue Jays for Drabek package ( too bad Lawrie couldn’t be the center piece of the deal), and then trade Marmol for Rizzo

    • Matt

      Something tells me because they just got rid of two highly talented bullpen people because they were too expensive, they wouldn’t take Marmol.

    • ferrets_bueller

      Drabek, as the center of a package?  Thats….thats…thats…horrible.  If Drabek is in a deal with the Jays, he’s going to be the 3rd or 4th player.  The guy was once a top prospect, but not anymore.  Severe decline in his stock…probably due to his WHIP of 2 at AAA…or his 7.44 ERA.  Or his similar struggles in the majors.  Last year, he was about as bad as he could possibly be.

      • JB88

        Actually, though, Drabek is exactly the type of “buy low” player that Theo and Jed seem to really like.

        But I agree with you, you try to acquire him as a piece. Not THE piece.

      • Matt

        That would probably be the main pitcher we would get in return from them. That is why I still say the top 2 from the Tigers would be better than what we would get from the Blue Jays. We need high end pitching prospects. That isn’t coming from the Jays, imo.

        • ferrets_bueller

          McGuire, Hutchinson, or Snydergaard would be the main pitcher/pitchers in a deal from the Jays.  Turner is a slightly better SP prospect, but the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pieces in a deal from the Jays would be vastly superior (potentially) than in a deal from the Tigers.

          • Matt

            I would agree if we are only pulling back SP. I don’t think that is the case though from everything you hear. Now if we can pull back one or both of D’Arnaud or Gose, I will be ecstatic. I like Molino and Carreno as well. I just personally think the upside on Castellano would be too much to turn down in a deal that also includes Turner. Not too many 20 year olds light it up at the MLB level. At best he should have been in AA. I don’t put too much stock in his MLB numbers. Detroit always is trying to bring up their pitchers too early and ruin them. At the same time, they have a great eye for pitching and have for a while. I don’t think many if they truly understand the prospects we are talking would be too disappointed considering what we are going to be next year. Theo/Jed aren’t rushing this, which is only helping our return.

        • JB88

          Plus, I don’t like the idea of trading with Anthopoulos. He and Theo/Jed value the same things in prospects, so I don’t see that being a good match for a trading partner. Better to look to pilage an old school franchise’s farm system than get what a Texas or Toronto wants to unload. IOW, I like the Cubs’ ability to maximize a trade with a GM like Cashner or Dombrowski much more than one with Anthopoulos or Daniels.

  • rcleven

    Would rather see Theo play Garsa off between Yanks & Red Sox. Two good farm systems with plenty of talent.

  • Michael Caldwell

    Brett, is it wise to move Garza before they know whether or not Darvish is going to sign with Texas? If those negotiations don’t bare fruit for the Rangers, are they not automatically coming back to Garza, and of the other teams interested in Garza, do they really have a choice if the Cubs want to wait a couple of more weeks? After all, where else can they acquire a pitcher of Garza’s caliber?

    • Noah

      I don’t think you can wait on the Rangers if you get a good deal elsewhere. I just think you’d run the risk of one of your major suitors for Garza deciding to go the Saunders route and then waiting until midseason to add a top of the rotation guy. I also think the odds of the Rangers not signing Darvish are very, very slim.

  • Ur Mom

    If the cubs don’t get fielder they will be unwatchable next year.. The team owes it to the fans to sign fielder, and give the guy a 7 year deal if that’s what it takes, he would only be 34 then, and the freaking cubs have the money to spend.. Rebuild all you want but if you don’t get fielder, a left handed power bat, who plays 1st, and is young, then the team is screwing the fans by putting a bunch of “so called” prospects with “potential” on the field and expecting us to pay full price to watch a shut product.. Maybe you nerds wanna drool all over prospects and get fantasy baseball woodies all off season, but I wanna watch prince fielder mash 50+ hr’s at wrigley and be entertained while the other young guys flop around the field and act like major league players when most of them will flame out just like every other cubs “prospect”, with “potential”, the team has tried to sell me on the last 34 years.. I’m amazed at how weak some of you are, and how much your heads are buried up your asses.. Have fun watching this team win 45 games next year if we don’t get prince.. Too bad more of you don’t give it to the cubs, they know dopes like you guys will just show up to pay full price to watch shit baseball so they can cry about sorianos contract and justify not getting the best hr hitter in baseball, in his freaking prime.. Wise up Chicago!!!

    • Michael Caldwell

      What is the point in spending the money to sign Fielder when he isn’t going to make you a WS contender the next few seasons anyways? If you use Cecil Fielder as a measuring stick, Prince’s body is likely to start breaking down sooner rather than later, and he is already a below average first baseman.

      Cecil was out of baseball at the age of 34, and he didn’t have near as many productive seasons after the age of 28 as he did before. You can’t discount genetics, especially in this case, because the son is practically a mirror image of the father at the very same age. Prince needs to be DHing in the AL, not sucking in the NL and dragging the Cubs down when they’re on the cusp of winning again.

      Cubs’ fans need to quit thinking short-term. It’s a serious lack of long-term thinking that has kept the Cubs down all these years. We really haven’t had a front office that thought long-term since the Dallas Green era, and it’s good to have guys in that office, once again, who do think like that. What you are suggesting is the very thing that has caused us to suck for so long. Think about it. Is that what you really want?

      • Noah

        You’re exactly right Mike, and it’s astute to bring up Dallas Green. Whenever people bring up the Cubs’ failed prospects (and they seem to always forget Starlin Castro, Carlos Zambrano and Kerry Wood in that equation, or the fact that Hee Seop Choi netted Derrek Lee, or that Mark Prior was utterly astounding until he got hurt) they also forget that the Cubs always had a shallow farm system aside from the Dallas Green era. When the Corey Patterson and Felix Pie were coming up, they were the Cubs’ ONLY high ceiling prospect. So when they failed, there was no one in the farm system to replace them. But look, on the other hand, at the farm system Green built and the players that contributed through it: Greg Maddux, Mark Grace, Shawon Dunston, Jamie Moyer, Rafael Palmeiro, Joe Girardi, among others who had productive major league careers. Green built depth in the farm system, but was faced with a cheap Tribune company who refused to spend to build around it. A farm system isn’t just about having a few top prospects, but about having great depth. That’s what Theo is building right now.

        The original commenter here may want to watch Prince Fielder hit 50 home runs. I want to watch the Cubs win a World Series. I’ve already watched a power hitter put up great numbers for crappy teams (Sammy a couple of times from 1999 to 2002). I don’t need to see that again.

        • Michael Caldwell

          Noah, the original commenter is a large part of the reason why the Tribsters never felt the need to do more to build a real winner. They knew people like him were happy to go get drunk at Wrigley while watching massive one run homers fly out of the park. I hate to be rude about it, but I blame people like him who were willing to pay to see a sub-standard product. I was never willing to do that then, and I don’t think I’ll have to much longer.

    • rcleven

      What good is picking up Fielder if there is no one to protect him? Teams would just walk him.Would be a 100 walk season for him.

    • Adventurecizin’ Justin

      Seriously? No one forces you to be a Cubs fan. If you don’t like the new and improved approach, go root for the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, or Phillies. I don’t want the Cubs to buy a championship…I wanna see them eventually become contenders year-in and year-out. Spending boatloads doesn’t mean success. Building from the bottom up can result in sustainability…that’s why I’m excited. I’ve been a fan for 32 years…I’m ready for the logic that Theo and Co., will bring. Peaceyo…Justin

  • Jonski

    Not to get off topic here ,but is there any truth to 5 or 6 teams having interest in Ryan Dempster …….Im hearing Arizona,Miami,Yankees,Toronto and Boston.Find it hard to beleave he would be dealt before the Matt Garza situation is resolved.

    • Cedlandrum

      Could be. Probably the losers of the Garza bidding will have some interest in Dempster.

  • Anthony

    The only packages the cubs should agree upon is whether they are getting one stud major league ready. Ivan nova, montero, bucholz, turner, drank, etc. Garza is the guy you can get one of those guys plus 2 or 3 top prospects from all teams. Can’t wait to see if they get a deal done.

    • JasonB

      The only problem with your argument, of course, is that not all of these guys are studs. Nova and Drabek are avoids to me. Nova is not nearly as good as his surface numbers indicate so we’d be buying high on him and Drabek 1) has been having all kinds of command issues, and 2) has not produced TOR numbers since A+ ball. If he had a different last name, he would not still be considered a top prospect.

      I will be disappointed if either of these players are the centerpiece of a Garza deal.

      And if we trade for him, Jacob Turner should not throw a pitch in the majors until 2013. The Tigers are currently pushing him too much – he’s still only 20 years old and he has work to do.

      • ferrets_bueller

        Agreed.  Any Yankees deal, IMO, would have to center on one of Banuelos, Montero, or Betances, and most likely would have to include two of them.  And since the Yanks seem intent on protecting all three….Toronto remains, IMO, both the best and most likely option.

        • Lou

          I like the Rangers or Tigers better than Toronto. They’d offer Drabek which the Cubs would almost have to take because they need SP and he’s the most MLB ready of their starters. I would avoid that AT ALL COSTS.

          • JasonB

            I see the Jays offering Drabek but I don’t see Theo and Jed accepting Drabek.  At least not as the centerpiece.  I suspect that they see what we see.

          • ferrets_bueller

            I don’t really think we would ‘have’ to take Drabek, at all.  Considering our demands are ‘sky-high’, I think its pretty much a forgone conclusion that we would not take Drabek as the centerpiece, instead demanding a guy like McGuire or Snydergaard.  The Jays have by far the most quality pitchers to offer as a centerpiece- and Drabek is not one of them.

            • Matt

              If is forgone we wouldn’t take him, why do we keep hearing Drabek’s name out there with everyone who is putting names to this? I do agree with you on your thoughts of the Yankee’s though. I would prefer them as a partner. Plus I wonder if how the exit went, it would be sweet to help the Yankees. Never know.

              • JasonB

                1) He’s a recognizable name given his pedigree and the fact that he was the centerpiece of the Halladay deal

                2) The Jays want us to want him – the Cubs aren’t the only ones leaking select information to the media

              • ferrets_bueller

                he’s been mentioned- as the 3rd or 4th piece.  Bruce Levine’s report, for example, has a core of Deck McGuire and Jake Marisnick, with Anthony Gose and Drabek as the other pieces.  While that may be a bit of overly optimistic, Drabek has been, by no means, mentioned explicitly as the core of a deal.

                • MightyBear

                  This is a good deal. Gose could be a stud and McGuire was a top 10 pick.

            • Lou

              Why not? I would think we’d want a SP to insert into the rotation in 2012 to replace Garza and if we could save $$ and not have to worry about acquiring another FA, and not a very good one at that, why trade with Toronto? Gose really concerns me with plate discipline. D’Arnaud and Lawrie aren’t coming here. MacGuire is considered an innings eater, not a power pitcher like Texas could give us with Harrison or the Tigers with Turner. I’d rather have a centerpiece deal around Turner because that really is a centerpiece. It’s a matter of quality over quantity and immediate impact vs delayed prospects. Also, I don’t want to trade to with AA considering what that GM did to fleece the Angels by taking on Wells. That’s enough to scare me off. Detroit has more than enough reason to trade with us. I agree with another poster on this thread….if the Tigers had a SP like Garza in addition to what they had last season, they very well might have beat Texas in the ALCS. Tigers are a win now team with an offense mostly set and looking for an additional piece to put them over the top. That piece could be Garza.

  • http://mysports1-Twitter Jim

    Found the retweet button, wasn’t on the original article I was reading, was just blank after your last comment: But, like, yeah: a lot of smoke.
    Went to article again and it was there. Strange…
    Talk on Baseball Network Hot Stove show last night was Fielder probably signs in the first week of Jan-2012 to help drive team season tix sales and get the team’s direction moving. Also the panel was asked who was the best defensive 3B ever, with Mike Schmidt chosen by Larry Bowa, Brooks Robinson by Billy Ripken and RON SANTO mentioned by Dan Plesac! Way to go Dan!

  • 2much2say

    Cubs don’t have a lineup yet. So, concerns about Fielder should be addressed once the Cubs are done shopping. I still believe Stewart ends up at 2nd.

  • 2much2say

    Montero has no value to the Cubs. Drabek is a sucker prospect. The Cubs will take 1-2 pitchers and a few IF prospects. Castellanos Turner and top 30 prospect would work best.

    • ferrets_bueller

      LMFAO, how…could anyone possibly come to the conclusion that Montero is of no value?

      • JasonB

        I think he’d be plenty valuable as an offensive minded 1B early in his career who can also serve as a backup C every 5th or 6th day.  Or as an emergency C which would allow us to do things like pinch hit for a light hitting backup catcher late in a game.

        Now having said all of that, we aren’t getting Montero for Matt Garza.

  • 2much2say

    The Tigers match up best. They are in win now mode and have the money to sign a veteran 3rd baseman like Wright in 2012.

  • MightyBear

    That’s a good deal. Cubs should pull the trigger on that trade if they get the chance. Reply to the Jays deal mentioned above. Drabek, etc.

  • die hard

    two observations…recall that trading Randy Johnson for a zillion players when added up didn’t total Johnson’s contributions…….and why not go for broke and trade Garza for the rights to sign Darvish?

    • JasonB

      And the Teixeira trade turned into Elvis Andrus, Matt Harrison and Neftali Feliz.  What’s your point?

      It works both ways you know

      • Kansas Cubs Fan

        That was a very good trade by Texas. That gives me new hope for a Garza trade. Haha

  • Toosh

    I’d like to see Hutchison included in any trade with Toronto.

    • Matt

      So would I.

  • 2much2say

    Montero has no value to the Cubs. Why would you think otherwise? Where would he play? Square peg round hole. Montero is best suited in the AL.

    • JasonB

      Because nobody has ever moved to 1B from another position.  Let’s get this straight – I have not heard anybody say that Montero can’t play 1B.  The only problem with him playing 1B with his current team is that the guy that the Yanks have there right now is kinda sorta good and they’re kinda sorta paying him a lot of money to play 1B.  C is a very demanding position to play and not being able to play it doesn’t make you a defensive failure.

      To say that Montero has no value to the Cubs is incorrect.

  • Doug Dascenzo

    Dear Santa,

    Please stock our stockings with stocks of pitchers with stuff.

  • Louis

    The Toronto trade would be best….Garza for Gose, McGuire, Marisnick, and Hutchinson.

    • ferrets_bueller

      Thats the best possible haul that any team could offer.  The only hitch is…would Toronto offer that much?  I really hope so, because those four blow out of the water any other possible package DET, NYY, TEX, BOS, etc…could offer, short of the Yankees giving up Montero and one of the their top two pitchers.

  • Mick

    The Tigers do match up with Jacob Turner and Nick Castellanos in what the Cubs need but I just don’t see the Tigers needing to make this deal. The Tigers already have a pretty formidable rotation with Verlander, Scherzer, Porcello, Fister, and Turner. Turner has #1 stuff, could win the 5th spot right out of the gate, and is only 20 years old. I don’t see the Tigers willing to give up Turner and if they do, he might be all we’d get. The other option with the Tigers might be to let them keep Turner and instead looking to get more depth with Castellanos, Oliver, Crosby, and Smyly. This type of move might not help us compete 2012-2014 but in 2015 we could have 3/5′s of our starting rotation and stud 3B.

    The Yankees are also a match with what they could package for Garza. Montero, Banuelos, and Betances would make a done deal. Even if they weren’t willing to part with Montero and instead included Gary Sanchez and Brett Gardner to go along with Banuelos and Betances this would be extremely desirable.

    My favorite and probably most realistic trade partner would be with the Blue Jays. I say realistic because I don’t see the real need for the Tigers and Yankees to make a move for Garza because their prospects are so close to moving into their MLB rosters. The Blue Jay’s prospects, on the other hand, are mostly on the AA level and still a couple of years away from getting a look on the MLB roster. For this and because the Jays are in a real position to win now, I feel the Cubs can milk the them for all their worth. We might also acquire enough pieces that we’re able to parlay a 3-team deal with the Padres to get Rizzo. For Garza, I think the Cubs should ask for Henderson Alvarez, Anthony Gose, Deck McGuire, and Justin Nicolino. This is the type of rebuilding the Cubs need since we’re more than a year away from competing and would add stud-depth to our SP rotation for years to come. Oh, and I’m predicting Gose to be the next Jacoby Ellsbury.

    • ferrets_bueller

      The Yankees really have zero interest in dealing Brett Gardner, IMO.  And I also seriously doubt that they would be willing to deal more than one of Betances or Banuelos, or either Gary Sanchez or Montero.  Any deal including muliple members of this post would be a huge shock.

      So, pretty much…i agree.  The Yankees have, IMO, no desire to put forth a package that would land Garza.  And I don’t think detroit can even come close to competing with what Toronto could potentially offer.

      • Lou

        I don’t agree with your analysis on Detroit. Turner is better than ANY pitching prospect the Jays could give us. Costellanos has solid upside at 3b. Smyly is much the same at Hutchison or Syndergaard. Garcia is an OF with raw ability just like Gose. I think you WAY overrating what the Jays have to offer.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      isnt brett jackson the next jacoby ellsbury?

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