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Hey, what do you know? There are other bits of news and rumors out there impacting the Cubs unrelated to Matt Garza. A lot, it turns out (and, ok, there’s a little bit of Garza tucked in there, too) …

  • Marlon Byrd’s name is popping up more and more on the rumor wire. The latest edition comes from ESPN’s Buster Olney, suggesting that Byrd might be a fit in Washington (I’m guessing because the Nats have been looking for a center fielder for over a year), or in Boston (I’m guessing because Byrd could be a right-handed platoon-mate with recently-acquired Ryan Sweeney, as well as a fourth outfielder).
  • Speaking of Byrd and the Nats, Washington GM Mike Rizzo recently said, very unconvincingly, that the team is content to go with Jayson Werth in center field as a stopgap until 2013: “We see the 2013 free agent class at center field is much stronger than it is for the 2012 season. With that in mind we know Jayson [Werth] can handle the center field position. It’s not a perfect world for us. He’s a good defender out there and is ready, willing, and able to take on the responsibility to play center field. We recognize that we need a true gliding, defensive, rangy center fielder out there in a perfect world. As far as the 2012 season we’re not going to make a kneejerk reaction and lock ourselves into anything long-term if it doesn’t make sense for us.” Sounds like Washington could use a reasonably priced center fielder who is under contract only for 2012. Hmm. Where might they find one?
  • Dave Kaplan now says there’s a legitimate concern that Kerry Wood might not re-sign with the Cubs, whom Wood previously said he’d pitch for in 2012, or wouldn’t pitch at all. The hold-up, apparently, is the meaning of a “fair, market contract” for Wood. I warned weeks ago that the two sides could be in a bit of a pinch given Wood’s special standing with the organization and with fans, but his stated position that he’d pitch for the Cubs or not at all. That just doesn’t make for an easy negotiation when Wood wants a raise. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve a raise from the chump-change $1.5 million he received in 2011. He does. I’m just saying that the confluence of factors makes things sticky, and I’ve always been worried that it could come to a head. Hopefully an amicable resolution is still on the way.
  • The Cubs have had “at least low-level contact with Brad Lidge,” because they’ve not yet completely cornered the market on bounce-back reliever candidates. My tongue is mostly in cheek there, as I think low risk, high upside moves on relievers is a fine approach. But, given the already bloated bullpen, it does make you wonder how serious the Cubs are about ensuring that Kerry Wood has a roster spot. Again, I’m making no conclusions here. I just wonder. Lidge, 35, was quite good in very limited duty for the Phillies the last two years, but missed significant time last year with rotator cuff issues.
  • MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes held a chat yesterday, and touched on the Cubs in a variety of ways: (1) Dierkes expects that, if the Cubs move Garza, they’ll get less than the Royals got for Zack Greinke, and thinks the Yankees could offer the best package, (2) from the Jays, Dierkes sees Henderson Alvarez as a good starting point in talks about Garza (dig it), (3) Yoenis Cespedes and Jorge Soler represent “rare opportunities,” and they’ll be paid accordingly, (4) the Cubs are probably still considering Paul Maholm, who likely wants a deal in the two-year, $12 to 14 million range (pass, unless it’s on the low end), (5) if the Cubs are in full-on blow-up mode (and Dierkes thinks they are), he thinks they’ll shop Ryan Dempster, assuming he’d waive his no-trade rights, and (6) Dierkes doesn’t think Dodgers make sense as a landing spot for Prince Fielder.
  • Edwin Jackson: still available. Why there has been almost no discussion yet of one of the better arms on the free agent market is as much a mystery as why Jackson is set to join his sixth team in five years. Maybe it’s the inconsistency, or an unpublicized attitude problem. Whatever the reason, he’s still out there and rarely attached to prominent rumors. Jackson’s agent, Scott Boras, suggests the reason for a slow-play in the Jackson market is because of all of the front office turnover (umm… sure, Scott): “Edwin is very much unknown in this (free-agent) process,” Boras said. “Look at the trade market, the availability of older shorter-term, veteran pitchers, the newness of so many general managers . . . it definitely had an impact. The new GMs, as they slip into it, their familiarity with the market is all new. The information they receive is all new.” Perhaps the teams into which the new GMs have slipped are new to those GMs, but it’s not as if they are transitioning from a career as a college professor into the front office. They know who Edwin Jackson is, what their needs are, and what his numbers/scouting reports say.
  • The Rangers remain in the market for a closer, but it remains a mystery whether they’d consider taking on Carlos Marmol. They were interested at the trade deadline last year, but the closer market has since become saturated and Marmol’s performance declined further. I go back and forth on Marmol’s value. He’s owed almost $17 million over the next two seasons, which is not expensive by this offseason’s Papelbon/Nathan deal standards. But he’s also seen a marked dip in fastball velocity, and in slider movement. Unless the Cubs ate part of Marmol’s deal, I’m just not convinced a team would be willing to commit more than a mediocre prospect to obtaining him. The Cubs might be best served crossing their fingers and hoping for an early-season rebound.
  • Maybe this is a stupid question, but: if the Angels are truly going to put Mark Trumbo at third base to open up first base for Albert Pujols and DH for Kendrys Morales, what happens to Alberto Callaspo? He can play all over the infield, sure, but he’s been a starter for the last three years (one of which saw him start at second base). He’ll turn 29 next year, and offers good on-base ability and a quality glove. He’s in his second year of arbitration and could make $3 to $4 million. Seems like an expensive, good player to relegate to the bench after three years of starting. Just curious. Maybe I’m missing something obvious.
  • Dave Kaplan shared this interesting tidbit yesterday about the Sean Marshall trade: “I just spoke with a great source who told me that Cubs offered Marshall an extension but no guarantee he wouldn’t be moved in July.” It makes you wonder if the Cubs felt like the return on Marshall could have been even better midseason with a couple more years on his contract. The obvious answer would have been yes. Nice try, gents.
  • Kansas Cubs Fan

    Brett, What do you think the Rangers want for Matt Harrison?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I think Harrison is REALLY hard to value. He’s just 26, has three years of arbitration left, is a lefty, and was *excellent* in 2011. But, it was his first great year in the bigs after a long, long transition to the Majors from a lengthy minor league career. The Rangers are willing to bump him from their rotation in favor of someone else, I suspect, for a reason.

      I’d guess they’d want a significant piece that could help their ML team this year (a very good outfielder, for example) and a good prospect. Or maybe a couple very good prospects. Again, hard to say how much they could ask for someone with Harrison’s unique situation.

      • KCubsfan

        From what I heard it was an established ML pitcher and Harrison would be a center piece of the trade.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          That, too, would make some sense. I was just trying to value Harrison as a sell-side deal, rather than a part of a “buy.”

      • Kansas Cubs Fan

        Well this is just a thought, but I was thinking The Cubs could eat about half of Marmols contract and a prospect.

        What do you think?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I think, hypothetically, it would have to be a very good prospect – not sure if even a Josh Vitters, just by way of example, would be enough.

          • When the Music’s Over

            Harrison scares me some. His K-rate is right on the edge of concern. If it drops back to his 2010 level (or 2008/2009, which is even more concerning), he has so much less room for error.

            I guess I just can’t quite make myself believe 2011 is his value going forward, and thus wouldn’t be willing to give up a ton to get him.

  • Lou

    Well, if the Nats get Fielder, I wonder if Byrd would be a part of a trade for 1b Morse. And yes Brett, I wondered about Callaspo myself, before the Cubs got Stewart. He takes a fair amount of pitches per AB and draws some solid walk totals.

    • Kansas Cubs Fan

      Morse can play the OF for the Nats also.

      • Lou

        Actually, the only position he’s suited for is 1b. He’s played OF but not very well.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I’m not sure how much the Cubs would want Morse. Yes, he’s cost-controlled, but he’s also 30 in March.

      • Lou

        Well, if Byrd’s the centerpiece of that trade… He’s what 34 and a FA after 2012. Just saying. This would only be a back-up plan if the Cubs didn’t get someone like Rizzo.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cubs would rather let LaHair be the stopgap at first as opposed to acquiring Morse (who would cost more than just Byrd). Byrd would be about moving salary and picking up a prospect. Just my thoughts.

          • Lou

            Yeah, you’re probably right…I’m just looking for ways a non-contending team like the Cubs could add more power into that lineup. LaHair just doesn’t resonate for me, though he’s definitely a cheap stopgap. I’ll give you that.

            • CubSouth

              I’m curious, who would LaHair be a stopgap for?

              • Kansas Cubs Fan

                Dan Voglebach.

                • Lou

                  Isn’t he a singer from the early 80s? Sorry, that’s Dan Folgenberg.

                • CubSouth

                  Yeah but that’s a pretty long stopgap. Voglebach isn’t proven yet and your looking at past the time the Cubs would be contending. I don’t like that idea very much myself. A stopgap should only be for a season, season and a half at most. Morse sounds better IMO.

                  • Kansas Cubs Fan

                    Well then who is LaHair bridging the gap for?

                    Because as of now I cant think of anyone else in the minors.

                     

                    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                      or on the free agent market the fallowing few years at 1st

                    • BetterNews

                      There is nobody else.

              • Lou

                Right now–No one which has me scared and makes me want a PROVEN #4 hitter in the lineup. That’s why I offered the idea of Morse.

                • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                  we should get used to the idea of getting very few if any proven players…the truth

                • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                  has carols pena officially signed with another club? i mean if he did i missed that

                  • BetterNews

                    He has not. I know what your thinking, bring him back!

                    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                      a great fielder and a lagit number 4 hitter … yes?

                    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                      ive heard absolutly nothing on carlos pena… whats up with that? does he really have nobody talking to him? i really find that hard to believe. he didnt have the best year but is it fair to say quite above average and if nothing more a proven player?

                    • Brian Myers

                      Carlos is a good guy and a good fielder. He walks a lot too which normally would make him the type of guy this management loves.

                      Unfortunately the highest he’s batted the last 3 years is .227. Yes, he has had 28 HR’s the past 2 years. But he had 111 hits last year and 161 SO. In fact, he’s NEVER (since 2001) had more hits than strike outs. He also leaves a lot of guys on base ahead of him. Only 3 times has he knocked in 100 runs and those were on teams with better top of the lineup hitters than the Cubs have. In short, he leaves a lot of guys on base.

                      Pena isn’t rated high enough as a teammate, he has a good eye and hits the ball hard. He’s a great fielder. Unfortunately he’s over rated as a middle of the lineup hitter, but would be a beast in the number 6 or 7 slot of just about any team. But with the Cubs he would be the clean up hitter (or perhaps #5 hitter). I’d (personally) rather they spent the 10 million on future potential and just get by for a year or two (or less) until they could find a replacement.

    • jr5

      There was an MLBTR thread (early this week or sometime last week) that mentioned that the Nats might look to move John Lannan; I asked in the comments if the Nats would be interested in a Lannan for Marlon Byrd move, and got shouted down, because all the Nationals fans there hated the idea of trading for Byrd.

      Apparently they really want to see Jayson Werth out there.

    • CubFan Paul

      everyone forgets about 1B adam laRoche = $9million

  • Daniel Guerra

    Cubs won’t be able to trade Marmol, Zambrano, or Soriano; unless they are willing to trade them for junk during this offseason. Hopefully, at least 1 of them can produce exceptionally well during the first half of the season so that we can get better value for them. I’d prefer that person be Soriano since he has many years left on his contract.

    • BetterNews

      Then why trade them? A team that is composed of nothing but junk,(except for Castro and Garza) what difference does 3 more pieces of junk make? Travis Wood bolsters our pitching? Please!

      • davidalanu

        Perhaps you didn’t see the Cubs 5th starters efforts this past season? Yes, Travis Wood would be an improvement over that, and he’s a decent bet to perform at a better level than he did in 2011.

      • Kyle

        I could be convinced that Wood is the second-best starting pitcher on the roster right now.

        • BetterNews

          Could be first If Garza is traded. What a joke.

    • Ryan

      Until Madson signs i don’t think marmol gets traded unless part of a package. I doubt that Zambrano gets traded until the deadline. Who knows about Soriano. I think with the OF numbers that atleast 1 will get traded. Im going to be interested in seeing if the Cubs end up signing a Maholm or another starter and end up trading more than just Garza out of the starting rotation

  • JasonB

    The interesting thing about the Nationals OF situation is the arrival of Bryce Harper. If they realistically think he’s going to be ready this year, then they will likely stick with what they have because if not, they won’t have a spot for Morse to play (assuming LaRoche stays healthy).

    • Lou

      Yes very true. I hope Harper will be ready. He and Strasburg will be fun to watch this year.

      • JasonB

        Let the hype begin…

        Unfortunately, I’m not a big fan of hype

        • Lou

          Strasburg’s not hype. Harper…well…I can’t say I disagree. We’ll just have to see.

          • JasonB

            Harper probably won’t be either.  I think he’ll be the real deal but I have also heard is that his ego is three times his talent level and I’m not a big fan of arrogance.

      • ferrets_bueller

        Strasburg is Mark Prior.  I said it back when he was still a prospect over on TSN, and i still say it now (with injury to back me up now), he is Mark Prior.  Extreme inverted W, no thanks.

        • JasonB

          Ouch – that’s harsh.

          Not saying I don’t believe you because I have no idea but I wouldn’t wish Prior’s career on anyone.

          • ferrets_bueller

            yeah, thats exactly what my thoughts were the first time I saw video of him pitching. Now, he could end up being closer to Smoltz (although his mechanics are more towards the extreme, like Prior).  I hope he pans out, but from day one, my money has been on him being Prior.

            • JasonB

              I’ll have to take a look at their mechanics to see if I can pick up what you’re talking about but my scouting eye is admittedly not very good.

              • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

                The thing you will want to look for is where the arm is when the front foot lands.  If the foot lands too early (which is nearly always the case in the inverted W) then you are requiring your arm to do all the heavy lifting of throwing the ball.

                It really is like swinging the bat…you want to utilize your entire body as much as possible.  In 10 years we will be talking about all those great half years that Strasburg had.

                 

                • JasonB

                  Thanks – I can picture what you’re talking about and yeah, I would think that would make for a lot of stress on the arm.  Why does everyone rave about his mechanics if this is such a huge issue?  I remember them saying the same thing about Prior – I was convinced that his arm was bionic!

                  • ferrets_bueller

                    Oh- and if you can, try doing it yourself.  Going through the motions of throwing a ball like that.  If you’re like me, it actually hurts your shoulder a little to do it (but I already have left should problems to begin with), or just feels really unnatural.  Raising the elbow like that is just…so weird.

                    • JasonB

                      I blew my elbow out from pitching and never had it repaired so I think I’ll take your word for it – I like having two arms and don’t want my left one to fall off :)

                    • ferrets_bueller

                      I feel ya there.  I hurt my left (throwing) shoulder in HS baseball, and can barely throw a softball on back to back days now.  And my right shoulder is in even worse shape from being dislocated playing football in HS…so Ive got about an arm and a quarter between the two, lmao.

                    • JasonB

                      You’re a mess!!

                  • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

                    Pitching mechanics are like getting your taxes done…talk to 10 folks and you will get 10 answers.

                    All I know is if my son ever shows skill as a pitcher and he wants to pursue that, I will find a pitching coach that studies the mechanics of Maddux, Clemens, Johnson, etc… and teaches him to pitch that way.

                    Additionally, I am willing to bet $.43 that you could find a pretty strong correlation between the “nastiness” of a pitchers stuff and the length of their career.

                    • JasonB

                      I would say that a big part of arm injury prevention when you’re younger is just being smarter.  I didn’t exactly do a lot of things to take care of my wing after I was done pitching or throwing.  Going out to get drunk with my buddies after games instead of icing my arm probably wasn’t the best idea.  Lying about my pitch counts to my coaches when I was in multiple leagues probably wasn’t all that smart.  I probably should have also avoided playing OF in softball games the night after or before I pitched.  And trying to throw a curveball with a football probably didn’t help matters.  Small things like that probably go a long way but if he has potential beyond high school, college etc., then a coach would be beneficial.

                      So, your boy is going to be the next Todd Marinovich special on ESPN? :)

                    • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

                      It is going to be a 2-hour special on ESPN in August 2027…boy if he doesn’t pick the Cubbies I am going to kick his ass.

                      Unfortunately, it appears he is a righty…been telling him its easier to make the bigs if you are a lefty.

                • ferrets_bueller

                  Exactly.  Although, its not exactly a case of the foot landing early- its a case of the arm being late, as a result, in the case of the inverted W, of being positioned in the W to begin with.  A little bit of semantics, but a little bit a crucial distinction as well.

        • BetterNews

          Agreed.

        • Lou

          Hate to say this to you but if Strasburg is Mark Prior then McNutt definitely is. Saw a video of him. Talk about bad mechanics.

  • Gcheezpuff

    I’ve liked Callaspo for the cubs awhile. He’d look pretty good at 2nd and not a bad back-up plan at 3rd if the Stewart experiment is a bust. Unless I am mistaken, aren’t the Angels in the market for a closer?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Yes they are. Now, that’s an interesting thought.

  • Kurt

    Heavy sigh, roll of eyes, tsk…tsk… prefrontal lobe fully developed (over 54) I.Q. well above 98 (which is the norm, not 100).

    Alright, here’s how I believe it’s going to go down.

    Do not believe the Cubs are in full blow up mode.

    Getting a young MLB ready cost controlled pitcher and two future prospects, or trade pieces, for a soon to be 30 year old reliever should have quelled that talk.

    Garza (exactly the type of pitcher Theo covets) isn’t going ANYWHERE unless the Cubs get a ridiculous haul….including starters to fill in holes on the MLB team.

    Fielder (exactly the type of player in his prime Theo covets) hasn’t been traded not because “Boras the genius” is playing all the teams like a Stradivarius, but probably because the only big market club (the Cubs) is holding firm on their offer (this is Theo, not Hendry controlling the purse strings) and letting another club be stupid…if they must. This isn’t going to be like the Dodgers bidding against themselves for a pitcher. When Fielder has nowhere else to go Theo will sweeten the pot a little so Boras can save face, and then sign Fielder. Why do I believe this, because if the Cubs truly weren’t after Fielder they’d have already addressed first base and moved on to other areas. If Fielder does go somewhere else watch how quickly plan B is implemented at first base.

    Fielder and Garza are the types of players you build a team around for the next 5-7 years. Even if next year is only an 82 win year with them, you may gain 6-10 wins in 2013 with money coming off the books and more pieces added. Look at Garza and Fielder as 5-7 year players, not….well there’s no sense in signing them if were not winning in 2012.

    Big market clubs do not completely blow teams up or have 5 year plans where year 5 is when everything comes to fruition…and they shouldn’t. Especially with such a weak division as the NL Central and as much money as the Cubs have to spend…intelligently.

    So many talk about how bad the farm system is….it’s not. Wilkens has taken big steps in improving it every year, which might explain why he has been kept on.

    Just my opinion, but mark this little ode for later reference vs. the “blow it all up” crowd. Chill pill people, plenty of them if necessary.

    • BetterNews

      I like your thinking!

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Your thoughts – which are well-said, even if I disagree with a handful of them – would play much better without the insulting drama up front. One can believe a “blow up” (whatever that term exactly means) is best long-term for the Cubs and also be a fully-functioning person of moderate intelligence.

    • Brian Myers

      There is an overlooked (heck, never mentioned) stat with Fielder: he walked 107 times last season. That’s one of the reasons he fits into Theo’s mold of player. That being said, sure, the Cubs are holding out for him… but there is another reason which is likely even bigger:

      The top free agent 1B available (in no particular order, not counting Fielder):

      Casey Kotchman
      Conor Jackson
      Derrek Lee
      Carlos Pena

      None of them are guys you’ll need to break the bank to get; most will likely still be unsigned until Fielder is off the market; none makes your team a contender over the long haul.

      Kotchman doesn’t strike out a lot and is still 28. He’s inconsistent over his career but has had sparks of being of solid player, he lacks power, but he’s a last resort that will likely still be available in a few weeks. Pena we know about. Lee could likely be signed to a short term deal and fans would just accept him as he was a Cubs favorite. In short: there’s no reason to rush when the Cubs can just let the market sort itself out.

  • Mark

    On the Angels question…there is no way Trumbo can play a quality 3rd base. I watched him 2 of the past 3 seasons at first at every home game. He is slow…good…but slow with the glove.
    btw…Trumbo would hit a ton of homers playing at home in Wrigley.

    • CubFan Paul

      which is why i think the Angels are trying desperately behind the scenes to trade k.Morales, so that Trumbo can DH & Callaspo can play 3B

      Kendrys Morales fits the ‘buy low’ players Theo&Co. has been acquiring all offseason ..my sleeper is 2B jeff bianchi

  • T Larson

    We are better off blowing it all up. Yes we probably will have to wait a couple years to come to fruition. I have been waiting for 45 years! I can wait a couple more to see it done right this time.

  • Still Love the Cubs

    As far as K. Wood goes, I feel like Kap might be stretching it a little bit on the whole having a hard time coming to a resolution on the contract thing. The only thing that gives me pause for a minute is that Brett reported that they were looking at Lidge. That doesn’t make sense if you are keeping Kerry unless you are trading Marmol I guess.

    My thought is this: The 40 man is in a major state of flux right now with all of the possible trades going on. I think that they know they will re sign Kerry, but just want the flexibility that they need to be making trades and stuff.

    • Earl Cunningham

      Completly agree. I was just about to post the same idea. Again, Kid K doing what is best for the team.

    • Lou

      But why sign K Wood? Really? Do we really need him? I know the sentiment but this organization seems to be completely shedding its past. What is a 30+ yr old reliever going to do to help us by asking fair market value, especially on a team that’s likely to loose 100 games this year? If the Cubs want to help K Wood, then they politely ask him to retire and give him a organizational position.

  • Ryan

    There is talent in the Cubs system the problem for Theo and Jed is that its all in A ball outside Jackson, McNutt and maybe Vitters depending on you thoughts on him. If you want to contend you have to have a good farm system and the Cubs don’t have that right now simply because they don’t have prospects that teams want.

  • Ryan

    Something that I find interesting is that the Cubs 40 man is at 39 I believe. That’s without K.Wood who most think will be signed. So if you trade Garza, Byrd or anyone else on the roster you open a spot but what you get back may also need to go onto that roster. So if you trade Garza depending on what you would get back you would need multiple spots open.

    • Still Love the Cubs

      True. Which is why I don’t think they have signed K Wood yet.

      Also, if Garza is traded, that means it is at 38. It is unlikely that you are going to get more than 2 players that must go on the 40 man roster in any kind of trade.

      Just tells me Theo and the boys are not even close to done yet.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      We’ve chatted about the 40-man issue before, but I think it suggests the Cubs could be as likely to target non-40-man types in their trade talks as ML-ready 40-man’ers.

      • ferrets_bueller

        ..just spent a few minutes looking at the players we’re allegedly targeting.  In nearly every case, only one or two is on the teams 40 man roster.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Good stuff, FB. Not surprising.

  • Cheryl

    Brett, This year’s draftees can’t be traded until August, I believe. Is there a chance in the Garza trade that a player to be named later could be included from that draft in a deal and announced in August?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Yes. Very possible.

      • http://cubbiekingdom.wordpress.com hansman1982

        Wouldn’t that push any trade into mid-January?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Because drafted players who sign in August of the previous year are not eligible to be named as PTBNLs until January? That’s my understand of the rule, too, so the answer would be yeah. Just a possibility.

          And given how close we are to mid-January, the two sides could agree in principle this or next week, and then formally consummate the deal in a few weeks.

          • MoneyBoy

            OOOHHHHH    good point !!!

  • Oswego Chris

    If the Angels are really shopping Kendrys Morales than we should be all over him…if he is finally healthy…he would be a much better option than Prince….I have said all of this before…but I read that they are trying to trade Abreau…for which they will find no takers….

    • CubFan Paul

      I forgot about Abreu ($9M) earlier ..talk about a (*expensive*) logjam at 1B and supposedly 3B

      pujols $25M
      trumbo $500K
      callapso $3M
      abreu $9M
      morales $3M

    • Lou

      Well, actually the could find a taker in the Cubs….I just wouldn’t do it for Marmol. They’re still interested in getting a closer.

  • Cubsin

    There are valid reasons why the Cubs should blow it up.

    More losses in 2012 means earlier draft picks in 2013.

    If we sign a major free agent next winter with a bad record, the draft pick we lose will be pick fifty-something instead of somewhere in the teens.

    If we’re not worried about our 2012 W-L record, we can give more chances to play in the big leagues to players like LaHair, Jackson, Castillo, Carpenter, McNutt and others, including Cespedes if we sign him.

  • 2much2say

    My 12 year old used to complain about his shoulder too, after pitching. The worse he pitched the more severe the injury. Just sayin

  • Dumpman

    Just read the Red Sox are interested in Byrd. This is one to watch Brett. Look for the threesome we have now to get a hidden gem.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Did you read it, by chance … in the first bullet above? :)

  • 2much2say

    Cubs future Line up 1st? 2nd Stewart SS Castro 3rd? LF ? CF? RF Dejesus C Soto Theo fill in the blanks.

  • Katina

    Dempster was on SiriusXM MLB network last week and said that he would waive his no trade rights if management asked him to (for the good of the team). I’ll see if I can find a link to the interview.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      That would be great, Katina. Thanks.

  • 2much2say

    SP Travis Wood, Ryan Dempster, Carlos Zambrano, Paul Maholm, Randy Wells
    Dempster July trade

  • fromthemitten

    Callaspo isn’t so hot defensively. He made 15 errors last season (one more than Ramirez) and while he can play multiple positions he doesn’t play any particularly well.

    • Lou

      He’s gotta be just as solid as Barney though doesn’t he? (Right now I’m expecting to get slammed by the sabrs on here :) )

  • Ryan

    I figure there will be more than just 1 more trade before spring training starts.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    that projected rotation makes me wince…. just like the roster does

  • Ryan

    I think you may see Wells traded as well.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    darwin barney= ryan theriot….and that actually putting some hope on it

  • Cedlandrum

    This is just a bunch of crap right? Garza and Byrd for Ellsbury? Yes Please. https://twitter.com/#%21/MLBtradetalks/status/152494536730492930

    • Kansas Cubs Fan

      I wouldn’t get your hopes up.

      It’s just speculation.

      • BetterNews

        Nah. Just bull shit.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      breaking news big z fell off one of the mountains hes been running up and down to train and died …. and his cotract is now void for participating in non baseball activities at the time of the incident…. sorry just trying to top the ellsbury rumor

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I wouldn’t put any stock in that. And I mean any.

      • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

        just dreamin

    • Toosh

      Only rumors on some ‘sites are legitimate.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        And even the most reliable sites and writers are subject to source mistakes.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    and big z will be trimming the outfield ivy and mowing the grass for a cool 18 mill… and thats if were lucky

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    yea like the red sox are trying to do theo any favors…. we still owe them

  • LJ

    I have been looking at Drabek’s numbers over the past few years. Until this past season, he looked pretty good, but then last year he had an era over 7. Does anyone know if he was dealing with injuries or something?

    • Ryan

      Part of it is IMO is called the AL East

      • Lou

        He’s got to work out control issues…that not AL East…that’s any division in baseball.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    would anyone argue that ellsbury is there best player and the biggest part of there future? boy sounds like one those rumors you just make up and circulate

    • Rancelot

      Yeah, I have a name for these kinds of rumors: Wake & Bake

    • Cedlandrum

      I would say that he is probably their 3rd best player. Adrian Gonzalez and Pedroia are better in my opinion. The Cubs aren’t going to get him, but it is a great rumor for fun.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    there seems to be an equal amount of concern as well as praise for drabek… and thats exactly why i would stay away from that trade…besides i think it a certainty that theo shows his real long term value in how he handels the garza situation… as ive heard many times before this is truely the pivotal move for the orginazation…amen?
    as long as we get better in return that what we originally gave up for garza(which im confident we will) we come out winners and theo starts to establish in chicago what he did in boston…as a fan this is all i could possibly fid to be excited about

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