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I really wish I liked basketball more than I do (which is to say I don’t). This time of year can really be the dregs for sports viewing…

  • Commissioner/Emperor Bud confirmed to reporters yesterday at the White Sox’s version of CubsCon (aw, man, we didn’t get Selig?) that the Theo Epstein compensation issue has indeed landed on his desk, and is now his matter to decide. “The clubs tried to settle it themselves,” Selig said. “I have a lot of patience because everything controversial generally winds up on my desk. In this case, I did give the clubs more latitude and hoped they could come to some conclusion. But they didn’t and now it’s my case.” As for a timeline, Selig would say only that he’d like to decide the matter “as expeditiously as possible.”
  • The Cubs have re-signed utility player Bobby Scales to a minor league deal and invited him to Spring Training. Scales, 34, has been a fan favorite for a few years now as a guy who kept trying, and trying, and trying, until he finally made his Major League debut at age 31 in 2009. He got another taste of the bigs in 2010 before heading to Japan in 2011 to make a little scratch. He’s back, and he’ll serve as a positive influence in Iowa, as well as depth that prevents the Cubs from having to rush youngsters if they’d prefer not to. There’s also the off chance that he could fill a utility role on the big club at some point.
  • Selig also said yesterday that he expects the additional Wild Card in each league to be implemented this year. “Clubs really want it. I don’t think I’ve ever seen an issue that the clubs want more than to have the extra wild card.” The reasons should be obvious. For now, it looks like that Wild Card round of the playoffs will be just one game, which is the only crummy part in my eyes (baseball is not a “one game” kind of sport).
  • Roy Oswalt is on the verge of signing with the Cardinals according to Gordon Edes. That kind of sucks, because the Cardinals will also be getting back Adam Wainwright, but Oswalt is getting old and has regular back problems. Also, we get to keep cheering against him. So there’s that.
  • Speaking of the Cardinals, former GM, and current Reds’ GM Walt Jocketty, says the Cardinals are the favorite in the NL Central. It’s either them or the Reds, it is now easy to concede, with the Brewers a fairly clear third. The Cubs … don’t come in for a mention.
  • Yesterday was the 30th anniversary of the trade that brought Ryne Sandberg to Chicago.
  • The Cubs need to bring their mascot back. Clearly, in 1908, it worked.
  • Dude. If you break into Wrigley so that you can sit on the field, and a guard, rather than immediately calling the police, asks you to leave – do it. You got what you came for. Otherwise, he will call the police, and you’ll get more than you came for – namely, an arrest, and an embarrassing news article like this one.
  • http://www.baseballrealitytour.com/ Bobby A

    Awesome pic!

    • jstraw

      Thank you.

  • CubFan Paul

    So, assuming Oswalt lands in STL, who’s in their rotation and who gets traded?

    • rcleven

      Trade doesn’t have to happen. My guess would be Westbrook or Garcia get bumped to AAA or used for trade. Your only renting Oswalt for one year. Can he stay healthy enough for a whole season? To have enough depth I doubt a trade will happen.

      • Toosh

        No way Garcia goes to AAA and Westbrook’s a stiff. Easy call.

      • ferrets_bueller

        How could anyone even suggest Garcia losing his job?

        • CubFan Paul

          they already have 6 starters including mcclellan and westbrook&lohse have no trade clauses

          • ferrets_bueller

            Yes, but…how could anyone even suggest Garcia losing his job?

            He’s arguably their best pitcher.  Mentioning him is beyond absurd.

      • npnovak

        Garcia to AAA? that’s the dumbest thing i’ve heard all week. either one of the starters goes to the bullpen or someone is traded.

  • MichiganGoat

    Well Oswalt will tell us just how much voodoo powers LaRussa and Duncan possessed. I’m kind of hoping the Cardinals suk next year and then I can finally know it was all about voodoo

    • Dabynsky

      I agree. I am really curious to see a Cardinals pitching staff without the magic pixie dust of Duncan.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Yup. Is the voodoo magic “Cardinals voodoo magic,” or is it “LaRussa/Duncan voodoo magic”?

        • MichiganGoat

          We will know next year

        • Dabynsky

          I have no other explanation other than magic pixie dust or voodoo for Tony Womack having a .349 OBP at age 34* when his career OBP was .317 at exactly the moment the Cardinals needed a 2B.

          *The year after he had a .235/.250/.314 slash line with the Cubs, albeit in 21 games.

  • die hard

    some factors to consider in compensation issue:

    do the Cubs owe compensation to Bosox and San Diego?….If so, should Bud decide one and use that as precedent for the other…is there precedent for awarding compensation by a commish?…is there precedent for a club raiding two teams of GM at same time?…what has been agreed upon compensation in prior cases where a team’s GM was taken by another team with a year or more to go on contract?….will prior compensation cases be deemed irrelevant?…does Theo have more value than Hoyer or vice versa?….should Bud consider that Bosox and San Diego saved money in terminating contract?…is Bud’s decision advisory or final?

    • David

      Yes, no, no, no, yes, no, no, yes, yes, yes. You’re welcome.

      • MichiganGoat

        Nicely done, it’s not easy to follow his comments.

  • TeddyBallGame

    I know you’re sarcastic Brett, but I hope the comment about bringing a mascot back was a complete joke. Look at the South Side, their mascot looks like a SeaDonkey and is straight up embarassing, especially when Chicago already has the BEST mascot in sports…Benny the Bull. Nothing, but hilarious entertainment with Benny. When I saw the pic, first thing that came to mind was “Master Splinter” from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    The Cardinals always find a way to compete because of Tony LaRu…..oh wait. HE GONE under the “Hawk Harrelson” act. Just like the CUbs are trying to establish, the Cards have their own way of playing and minor leaguers seem to know whats expected of them from Day 1. I’m hoping that’s going to be the case with the Cubs starting this season.

    WIth that being said, it seems when expectations are the highest, the Cubs seem to not meet up to them. When expectations are limited or non-existent, it seems that’s when we have our best seasons (see: 2003). Regarding our win-loss record, I have low expectations, but I fully expect to see every player on the club running out fly balls, being smart on the basepaths, and really just busting their ass and being there for each other. Can’t believe Spring Training is around the corner….

    • MichiganGoat

      I fairly certain that Benny the Bull is also a Dora the Explorer Character

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        Yup here you go

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I was very, very, very kidding.

      • Ron

        What? Kidding? That thing is sweet, I think I saw that in Bass Pro Shop last week. And I thought you had class.

  • Bric

    I have a bad feeling the Sox are going to get Szcur. It would suck, but I think in the long run Epstien is more valuable than a really good prospect outfielder.
    Brett, you’re a lawyer, don’t you think the statute of limitations should effect the compensation? If the Sox can’t make up their mind then screw ‘em. They’ll get nothing and like it!

  • cubfanincardinalland

    The Cardinals have been good for ten years because they had by far the best player in baseball while having to pay him half of what his market value was. Reality is about to hit this franchise right in the ear hole for a decade. They are an aging team whose impact players are all 31 years old or more, many much more.
    Why do the Cubs have to pay compensation for Epstein, when he took a promotion to go to another team? Executives do that all the time in baseball without any compensation.
    The extra playoff team should make tradeable players more in demand at the deadline one would think.

    • Toosh

      The Cardinals still have the juice.

      • rcleven

        Please explain.

        • ferrets_bueller

          Tony LaRussa took all of the booze with him, but left the juice to mix it with.

          • Toosh

            Yup.

    • ferrets_bueller

      This.

      That team really, IMO, is going to be in trouble (thankfully) soon.  Aside from Freese, and Craig if he keeps it up, that team better hope that its farm starts producing hitters…or they’re in trouble.

  • Ivy Walls

    Basketball: Baseball by far is a more interesting game to consume since even though the pace of the game is summed up in “worry up and wait” or sit back an “enjoy the leisure between the rushes”, where during the wait times the multitude of possibles flood the mind as to what just happened and what could happen next. Each pitch is a game within itself where the subsequent play can take on so many variables and involve individual plays by each individual on the field.

    That said basketball has so much constant motion that few people can see the nuance and possibles or game within the games. Like baseball (pitcher) the person with the ball can dominate the game where with only five players in the contest it limits the possibles. Pro BB is so much the spotlight on the few players, though extraordinary in their skill, so usual in the game.

    I like college ball because it is more unpredictable and much more less on the individual. But I have to say I can’t wait till April.

    • Andrew

      On the sports-this-time-of-year front… it’s become hockey for me the past couple of years. Was really interested in basketball until I was about 20 and the whining of players started to get on my nerves. Hockey is a sport much better live, but if you live in a non-traditional hockey market you can normally get tickets on Stub Hub dirt cheap. I personally like the cheap seats because the game makes more sense when you can see plays develop, and it hasn’t hurt that my local team (the Predators) has been getting incrementally better for some time. Brett, up in Ohio your local team may not be very good, but you can catch some other good teams as they come through town. :)

      • Ron

        I have I used to get free tickets through work to see the Predators! Don’t make it there very often but there is nothing like center ice a few rows deep.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I do wish the Blue Jackets weren’t so consistently bad. I also wish I liked hockey.

        • ferrets_bueller

          Start watching the Hawks, you’ll start liking it.  I’ve gotten multiple people to become huge hockey fans from forcing them to watch the last four years or so.

          • Dabynsky

            The Hawks have made hockey fun and relevant for a lot of people here. My conversion happened earlier than the Blackhawks resurgence because I spent a couple of years at university in Canada. It is a great sport and (un)forunately, depending on how you look at it, the Blackhawks are the best run team in Chicago.

  • Stinky Pete

    They have to pay compensation because they said they would.

  • Kurt

    “Commissioner/Emperor Bud”

    Great way to manipulate the discussion.

    Selig wanted nothing to do with the Theo/Red Sox matter.

    He told both party’s to work it out between themselves.

    The Cubs and Sox asked him to decide the issue.

    It’s fine to have a satirical parody concerning Selig. There are many examples to choose from without having to use issues that his hand was forced by, which he wanted nothing to do with.

    In this one case he’s not the boogeyman.

    • Ogyu

      Always there are two. A master and an apprentice…

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      It’s a title he’s earned ’round these parts that has nothing to do with this particular issue. It’s just a joke about Selig, in general.

    • rcleven

      “In this one case he’s not the boogeyman”

      When the decision comes in he will be to one of teams.

  • Mick

    So, I had a chance to go to Twins Fest yesterday and among the many pros attending I talked to and got Fergie Jenkins’ autograph. He must tour different team’s conventions raising money for his charity. He was joined by Doc Gooden, Dave Stewart and “Mudcat” Grant, who represent the “Black Aces” which is a group of African-American pitchers who all won 20 games in a season. I asked Fergie how the Cubs were going to do this year and he said, “terrible.” And then he went on to comically bash Theo by saying something to the effect that I don’t think the front office has anything to do with winning games and that, “Theo’s never even put on a jock-strap.” I felt the need to defend our squad so I responded that you never know and look at what Pittsburgh, Cleveland, and Arizona did last year. I don’t think he was expecting this because he kind of stammered out something about, “oh, well Arizona had a lot more talent than what the Cubs have”, and then looked at me like take my damned autograph and get the f away from my booth. So I did, and now my Fergie Jenkins autographed ball proudly sits on my mantel. Good times.

    • Katie

      Wow! I’m a little surprised Fergie would bash the Cubs like that!

  • rcleven

    A month ago or so he was at the Canadian hall of fame and said something to the same effect.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/story/2012/01/19/sp-mlb-epstein-cubs-fergie-jenkins.html

  • Mick

    No, he was cool and just being funny and if he really wanted me gone he could have just called Dave Stewart over (that guy scares the $hit out of me).

    What a difference in conventions though. The way Brett described Cubscon seemed way more organized and professional. Twins fest was in the Metrodome and everything was kind of happening all at once. They had the local ESPN radio interviewing players like Span, Morneau, and Willingham. Autograph and picture sessions were everywhere (my wife was disappointed she didn’t get to get her picture taken with Danny Valencia) and vendors filled in the blanks. The only other item I purchased was a Colorado Rockies Michael Cuddyer jersey shirt. He was my favorite Twin because he kind of reminded me of Sandberg on and off the field. I thought it was cool to that he changed numbers from 5 to 3 for the Rockies in tribute to Harmon Killabrew.

  • Kevin

    The Cubs already agreed not to take anymore people from Boston as part of the compensation, that, in itself, should count toward part of the compensation. Shame on both clubs to allow this to get so ugly.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      i think boston will end up with one of our picks in the draft

  • CubsfaninKY

    Hey Brett have you heard anything about the Cubs signing a back up @ 1st? I know he’s not great but Xavier Nady is avail. Just trying to think of a cheap option.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      so is derrik lee

    • MichiganGoat

      Right now we have Baker as a backup to LaHair and Rizzo will be up shortly, don’t see the need to spend a 40 man spot on a veteran that has nothing left.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I don’t think they’re inclined to use a roster spot on a solely 1B backup.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    i was watching hot stove last night and damn… kansas city has a stocked farm! they had 4 prospects in the top 50, and hosmer had a great rookie year. quite a promising future for this ball club.

    • college_of_coaches

      MLB draft choices cannot be exchanged. Although this is currently under discussion, and the rule may change (someday), I don’t see Selig giving Boston a draft pick. If he did, it would be precedent setting, which is what Selig wants to avoid in resolving the compensation issue.

      • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

        yes i understand, but doesnt compensation present a much different type of “exchange” as say a trade. also this would be a retroactive policy, so say going back to before the new CBA was in place. selig could just put the retroactive stamp on this matter and leave it at that for future reference. it does settle the matter in a “high low” manner. meaning boston is coming high, and chicago counters low as far as the matter. a draft pick has potential to be high or low. seems like a decent way to settle this even though im never into sending draft picks elsewhere, especially with the new CBA putting such a strong emphasis on the draft as far as getting young talent is concerned.

        • Ryan

          but remember there is a cap on draft spending. So loyal you would actually hurt Boston as well baised on the fact they would have limited $ to spend on their picks

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            but the cap on draft spending is also part of the new CBA right? im talking a complete retroactive set of terms due to the fact that this took place before the new CBA was in place and has dragged out.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    i also saw that KC payroll had only gone up 10M sense 1990! true they have not been relevant for quite some time, but very cool to see that they are gonna be competitive, young, and very inexpensive. a great model for a rebuilding club. lets just hope that it doesnt take us that long to be in a similar place.

    • rcleven

      I was in KC on a business trip and went to see them play Detroit (1st place at time). They couldn’t put any bodies in the ball park. Parking was cheep & tickets were even cheaper.

      • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

        we dont have the same financial restraints, because we have the best most loyal fan base in baseball.

        • Quintz

          Not sure it’s a model as much as an inevitability after that many high draft picks.

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            yea… but they did draft well

  • T Larson

    Any truth to the latest rumor? Vitters,Marmol and Soriano for Miguel Cabrera?

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      where did you here that? i think maybe you were sleeping, because that sounds like a dream come true.

      • yield51

        I’m sure if they wanted to trade Miggy they could get a much better return than a 54M DH who hits .260, a 17M reliever who can’t throw strikes, and a……..oh wait I forgot we were also sending Vitters.

        • DocWimsey

          The other thing is that the Tiggers are going all-in for the next couple of years. If they trade, then it will be a hot prospect (and they’ve got three, although I think that they plan to use Turner) for another top-notch starter.

          It does make me think, though: add Garza to the Tigers, and they look like a good AL East team all of a sudden.

          Will the Cubs play the Tigers this year? They’ll beat the Cubs brains out, but they could be a great team to watch.

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            “add garza and they look like a good AL east team”. i think they looked like a good AL east team before they signed fielder. now they look like a lock in the east, add garza your in the world championship conversation and making a strong argument.

            • GoCubbies

              Umm….the Tigers are in the AL Central.

              • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                yea the central… thats what i ment. the central

              • DocWimsey

                No, I (at least) meant AL East. The Tigers had looked like a good ALC team, but the Blue Jays look like a good ALC team, too. Indeed, one could take “A good ALC team” as a backhanded compliment!

                Add Garza, and the Tigers would get good odds even if they were in the same division as the Yanks, Sox & Rays. (Damn, but that would be one stacked division!)

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I’ve not heard that one. It seems … extraordinarily unlikely.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      two bad contracts and a question mark prospect for the games best right handed hitter. you decide… is there any truth to that rumor?

    • DocWimsey

      That one has to go with the rumored annual arctic child philanthropist and the Scottish plesiosaur…..

    • JulioZuleta

      Detroit wouldn’t accept that package of players if we offered them for nothing in return, let alone give us back one of the best hitters in the game in his prime.

  • jr5

    While I agree that baseball isn’t a one game type of sport in terms of fairness or determining who the best team is, I do think that in terms of excitement, baseball is at its best in an elimination game type of setting.

    Obviously the final day of the season last year was fantastic. I realize that if the new system had been in place last year it would have negated that day, but I think it’s fair to say that last season’s events were far more the exception than the norm, and that the new system will be more exciting than the last day of the season usually is.

    It also adds extra incentive to win your division.

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      best 2 out of 3… this isnt football, players are physically up for it, and i dont think you can get more condensed than 2 out of 3 right? just a mini-series to declare a true wild card rep.

  • T Larson

    Chicago Cubs Message Board

    • rcleven

      Won’t reveal sources? I wouldn’t hold my breath.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Let me me be more direct: it’s completely and totally bogus.

        • Bric

          Even though it’s a really ridiculous idea it’s good to see a comment garnering this much attention and responses and still being about the Cubs and baseball.

          Last couple of months the only way to get a bunch of responses is by making a comment viewed as racist, homophobic, ageist, political, religious, or offensive in someother stupid way by an ever increasingly over-sensative Bleacher nation.

          • MichiganGoat

            Abso-f’in-lutely

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            hey man what are you trying to say?! …… j/k very good point. i was the guy that made the mistake of calling dan vogelbech the “white prince fielder” that was good for 2 or 3 hours of critique.

  • DocWimsey

    It does seem like the classic “maybe their team will give us quality for quantity” fanboy dream trade.

  • BetterNews

    Brett-If Ian Stewart gets off to a bad start this year do you think Sveum will be quick to pull the string and bring in Vitters?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Sveum won’t have the option unless Jed/Theo call Vitters up. I think Stewart will get at least two solid months, no matter how he does. From there, I suppose it could happen, but would require Vitters to be raking and playing spectacular defense at 3B, together with Stewart being awful. I think Cubs would like to give Stewart time to rebound, and Vitters time to continue to develop. I don’t think the front office sees Vitters as the future at 3B, for what it’s worth.

      • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

        javier biaz is the future at 3rd id assume.

        • BetterNews

          loyal-He could be but he just turned 19. I’d assume he’s 3-4 from the Big’s. A lot could happen in that amount of time. Vitters is probably the most viable option should Stewart falter.

      • KidCubbie

        What if Stewart becomes the star everyone thought he would be when he was a prospect? Hits .270 with 25-30 hr. Does he become the future at 3B? Makes Vitters trade bate.

        • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

          i just think it will be great if we can get some production and a decent glove out of 3rd until and if biaz comes of age.

        • KidCubbie

          He’s still only 26 and a good glove. Am I the only one that thinks that just maybe we have a hidden gem just waiting to have an awesome bounce back year?

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            i think the FO shares your opinion, and i would love to be surprised in that way. its far from out of the question.

          • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

            as well stewarts performance at 3rd could single handedly define the methods by which the new front office evaluates talent. come back player of the year?

            • KidCubbie

              Man I really hope so. For some reason I’m really pulling for the guy.

              • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                it would be a great story. its always great for a player to get a second chance, and to take his game to the level scouts had originally set as his ceiling. i would love for ian stewart to be not only a bright spot for the team, but to get a once promising career back on track. im behind him too!

        • BetterNews

          KidCubbie-I don’t know about Vitters becoming trade bait as he can play outfield too. I think is a particularly good left fielder!(Think Soriano trade)

          • KidCubbie

            Yeah I agree with that. But I expect soriano to be moved before the start of the season. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking. Getting Vitters into the outfield is an intriguing idea tho. Would cover up some of that subpar defense he has at third. I was just thinking that if Stewart panned out that we could use Vitters to bring back something like a pitching prospect.

            • BetterNews

              Oh, I agree. I wouldn’t rule out a Vitter trade by any means. But if he really tears it up with his hitting, I think you bench Soriano if you have to. At that point I don’t think you trade Vitters.

              • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

                a promising youngster under team control. or a high priced vet taking up a roster spot with his contract. seems so clear when presented in those terms

          • Cubbiecop

            If we move Soriano before the start of the season I see Brett Jackson being at LF before Vitters is there. Vitters was only at AA last year where Jackson was at AAA and has a better defensive upside and speed than Vitters. I doubt we can find anyone to take Soriano off our hands anyway, especially with Soriano only wanting to go to a contender.

            • BetterNews

              I think the Cubs are looking at Jackson @center, not left.

              • KCubsfan

                I wouldnt be surprised if Jackson got moved from CF by Szczur.

                • http://CubbiesCrib.com Luke

                  This. Jackson will start as the the center fielder, and he’ll be a pretty good one, but he won’t keep the position when Szczur arrives.

                  He may not keep it when Ha arrives, depending on how much more progress Ha makes at the plate. Ha could beat Szczur to the majors by about a year.

                  • KCubsfan

                    Sorry not impressed with Ha. He still has alot of holes in his game

                    • BetterNews

                      KCubs- I’ll go along with that.

                  • BetterNews

                    Luke-There’s debate about whether Szczur will still be with the team! Come on pal.

    • rcleven

      Depends how Vitters starts out. Could see Stewart pushed to second but very unlikely.

  • Ryan

    Id really like to see the list of people both teams sumitted to comish

    • BetterNews

      I’m going stir crazy as that opens another can of worms. What if Vitters is Boston compensation?

      • Ryan

        I wonder if its going to be a player, a player and cash or 2 players

        • BetterNews

          Yikes!

        • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

          there is a high and a low, the biz school of thought that the sox come high and the cubs counter low. i don’t think selig decides on one of the two to favor in mediation. rather a middle ground compromise that both sides will have to live with

          • BetterNews

            Yes , you would think something considered “middle” ground would be a prudent move by the Emporer.(What is middle ground?) But what if Selig see’s Theo as worth way more! This would skew the graph of compensation more to the high side than the middle. This is where it gets shaky.

            • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

              hard to give feed back that sounds fool proof.

    • BetterNews

      Brett-Is there any recourse if the Emporer makes a decision that is not based on precedence in the compensation issue.(As in an appeal)

      • ogyu

        You can always use the Force and appeal to the good side of Darth Vader.

        • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

          the sox want chew baca, and the cubs are offering jar jar

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Not a meaningful one, no.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    i agree with you. im just saying for now the front office probably sees him as the future of the position. you know the brightest guy on the climb for now. id actually love to see vitters renew his one time huge relevance to the big club as a 3rd baseman.

  • ogyu

    Bud Selig: “. . . Theo Epstein is in my lap”
    That has to bode well for the Cubs . . .

  • Kevin

    Was there any talk in Boston about getting rid of Theo considering how the season ended? Maybe the Cubs did the Red Sox a favor.

  • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

    i doubt the redsox address any of they’re 40 man roster needs through compensation. so you would have to assume that they would love to get one of our top 100 guys. with that in mind we would like to without a doubt give cash and a low level prospect, and at the most a pair of low level prospects. somewhere in the middle is where selig is likely to land.

  • die hard

    Does Bud have to recuse himself and let the teams go through the American Arbitration Association to have neutral arbitrators make the decision as he has a conflict as to his ties to the Brewers and as to his role as commish over the other teams in the league?

    • http://bleachernation.com loyal100more

      he thinks way to highly of himself to ask for help.

  • cubsin

    If Theo gave Bud a list of five or so prospects that he and his staff ranked 21-30 (with some of them, at least, ranked higher elsewhere) and offered Boston their choice of one player plus cash compensation to be determined by the Commissioner, I think that’s what Boston would get.

    • die hard

      But that assumes Bosox and SD entitled to compensation by way of players or money…why negotiate from weakness?…I would advise Cubs to take position that no compensation is owed by Cubs because teams saved on last year of contract and bonus and had sufficent time to find capable replacement. Also, there is no precedent under these circumstances and breaking new ground like this is too important to leave to Bud or the teams. Use the arbitrators that decide compensation disputes as they are familiar with baseball. Or have a panel of former/retired owners, player reps, unipn reps, agents, gm’s who have no further ties to baseball to decide. But to let Bud decide could prove to be a disaster for the Cubs.

      • BetterNews

        Die Hard- The problem there is somebody from the Cubs(I haven’t seen details as to whom, just speculation by people) agreed to “reasonable” compensation for Theo. There lies the legal aspect of this convoluted mess.

      • BetterNews

        It’s mind boggling! Why didn’t the Cubs just agree to “compensation” and not “reasonable” compensation?

        • MichiganGoat

          I’m not overly concerned, we will give up a prospect around the mid-teens on our list. Bud really doesn’t want to set the expectation to be anything greater than we’ve seen in the past. At worst it will be someone like Vitters, and that wouldn’t be the end of the world (although I know many of you have huge expectations from him), but remember we got one of the most successful GM’s in the last 10 years while he was under contract. Compensation is required, but don’t get overly worked up about something, and remember all reports are saying that Larry Lou is the one not being resonable- so expect the ruling from Bud to disappoint the Sox.

        • ogyu

          Suppose the Cubs had instead agreed to pay “unreasonable compensation.” Would that mean they had agreed to a price that is unreasonably high? Or one that is unreasonably low? It’s impossible to say. And “reasonable compensation” is equally meaningless.

          • MichiganGoat

            Agreed I don’t see these words have any meaning.

          • BetterNews

            Well there lies the paradox! If you came to me and said I would give you “unreasonable” compensation for something, I would say get lost, as anyone would. However the Cubs “apparently committed” to reasonable compensation. Now looking at from a Boston perspective, Luccchino see’s a very different view of “reasonable” compensation and thinks Selig will side with his view. I would NOT say “reasonable” as far as compensation goes is meaningless.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

            Eh. “Reasonable” is frequently used as a qualifier, even though it may seem to have no meaning. It does, as amorphous as it may be.

            • MichiganGoat

              Stoopid lawyers and their “words”

  • ogyu

    A wants to buy B’s car. A agrees to pay B a reasonable price, but no dollar figure is discussed. Based on that agreement, B hands A the keys and signs over title to the car. Later, A and B are unable to agree on the reasonable price A is supposed to pay, so B files a lawsuit seeking payment of a reasonable price under the verbal agreement.

    Result? B is gonna get summarily tossed outta court. Anybody stupid enough to turn over ownership of valuable property based only on an incredibly vague oral agreement that is obviously susceptible to contrary interpretations has no business expecting a court or an arbitrator or a commissioner to save his backside from his own foolishness.

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