St. Louis Cardinals’ starting pitcher Adam Wainwright is not a guy I care for all that much. In the past, he’s struck me as, perhaps, an overly-confident sort. Plus, he’s a Cardinal, so, there’s that.

As you can imagine, then, I’m not terribly interested in hearing his thoughts on how the Cubs are handling – or mishandling – converted started Jeff Samardzija. From Gordon Wittenmyer:

‘‘The more times he takes the ball, the better he’ll be in preparation for future seasons,’’ Wainwright, the St. Louis Cardinals’ ace, said of the Cubs’ starter.

Samardzija, a pitcher the Cubs now see as a key building block near the front of their rotation, shouldn’t be ‘‘babied’’ or put on rigid pitch limits, Wainwright said.

And for those who say you can’t go from 80 innings of relief to 200 innings of starting in one season?

‘‘Yeah, I did it,’’ Wainwright said ….

Even as a minor-league starter, Samardzija never reached 142 innings, part of why the Cubs’ brain trust has devised a plan that mostly involves watching his pitch counts and giving him extra rest between starts when the schedule allows.

Not necessary, Wainwright said.

‘‘What you have to realize is that your first season for a starter is very important,’’ he said. ‘‘There’s going to be ups and downs. Your arm’s going to feel dead at times. It’s going to lose its life sometimes, you’ll feel great other times. There’s peaks and valleys. But I think it’s very important for a starter to go through that. It’s great conditioning for future seasons. There’s lessons you learn when you don’t feel your greatest, on how to get outs. You have to find a way. And I think sometimes when you’re taken out of that and babied a little bit too much, you don’t learn those valuable lessons.’’

Do I have to say it? I have to say it, don’t I? I’m going to say it.


Without a hint of irony, this guy goes out of his way to tell the Cubs that they’re “babying” Jeff Samardzija in his conversion from reliever to starter because they aren’t willing to jump him from 80 innings to over 200 in a year, as the Cardinals did with Wainwright.

No, I’m not saying the way the Cardinals handled Wainwright caused the injury that led to Tommy John surgery (that injury came a few years after Wainwright’s conversion). But that’s just the point! I’m not saying a thing about how the Cardinals chose to handle their own young starting pitcher, because I’m smart enough to know that I don’t know the first thing about his particular situation or the Cardinals’ considered beliefs about how to best use and protect young arms.

As a guy who is coming back from a serious arm injury and surgery, you’d think Wainwright would be smart enough to just keep his mouth shut about how the Cubs are choosing to protect Samardzija.

  • BN Virgin

    Well, we’ve got Wainwrights opinion. Someone, quick, get Dusty Baker on the phone! Let’s see what he thinks.

  • Ron

    Is this the definition of irony or would it be ironic if he had surgery next year?

    • Brett

      I’m going with classical irony, and saying Wainwright wasn’t just trying to do this:

      “A pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other’s false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning.”

      • Ron

        This is why I read this site! Ha.

  • George Cotugno

    The same Adam Wainwright that had his elbow blow up right? That’s the one that is making these comments right? Maybe he should worry more about his job, considering his 6.16 ERA and if Chris Carpenter (another ass-hat) comes back, the guy losing his job won’t be Lance Lynn, it will be Mr. 80 to 200 innings.

  • hardtop


    exactly what i was thinking when i read the headline.  Yeah listen to this guy! Its like taking parenting advice from Joan crawford

    • art

      lol, good one.

  • djriz

    He’s just practicing for his pitching coach job, which will begin pretty soon with starts like last night.

    • art

      lol, not after that comment, who’ll hire him?

  • Young Eezy

    Adam Wainwright can EAD.

  • gblan014

    That’s a very fitting picture of Wainwright for this story, Brett. He looks extra douche-y on it.

  • Mrp


    Haha, pretty much the first thing I thought of when I heard about this. I would imagine most of us did. Wainwright wins this week’s Cardinal d-bag award.

  • magilljl

    He needs to worry about his team and his pitching. What the Cubs’ “brain trust” is doing is none of his concern…for now.

  • King Jeff

    I find it difficult to fathom how the supposed “ace” of the defending champs and current division leader is concerned with how the Cubs are handling a guy that has what 8 career starts? Keep feeding us the knowledge of how to turn a journeyman into a flash in the pan ace for a couple of years and then blow his arm out and have him return to pitching like garbage.

  • gblan014

    This is kind of off topic but seeing Yadier Molina in the background got me a little curious about something. Is it just me or he’s gotten freakin huge over the last few years? Like not beer gut huge but arms, neck, head, well everywhere huge. A picture of him I found online from what I believe is his rookie year :

  • wernert

    Adam Wainwright is a Cardinal. Cardinals are smug, douchey, ass-clowns. So I am surprised Adam didn’t throw in tips on how to grow facial hair, how to get Molina’s dumb neck tattoo, etc.

  • Norm

    I agree with Wainwright since Samardzija is already 27 years old.
    TJ for Wainwright is irrelevant. Correlation does not equal causation, or something like that…
    CJ Wilson just did it. Derek Lowe did it. Ryan Dempster did it. Once past the age of 25 or so, let them loose.

    • King Jeff

      Correlation doesn’t equal causation, but here are a few examples of just that.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Moreover, correlation does falsify the hypothesis of independence. That means either causation or common cause. In the absence of a common cause hypothesis, pitch counts and/or total innings pitched graduates from being likely to being probable.

        • Norm

          I have no idea what you just said.

          • wernert

            He said the Cardinals are mouth-breathing buttwads … or at least that’s how I read it.

      • Norm

        Really? I thought I was giving examples of players that HAVE succeeded in a big innings increase without any injury to show that there are examples of both success and failure; so any examples, of either success or failure, are meaningless.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          That is not how it works.  You can find examples of smokers who suffered lung cancer and those who do not.  The correlation still exists between how much one smokes and whether they get lung cancer.  That falsifies the idea that smoking and lung cancer are unrelated.

          Here, a correlation exists between IP and propensity for arm injury.  Bill James first documented that 20 years ago.  Just as there is a link between smoking and lung cancer, there must be some link between IP and arm injuries.

          Now, sometimes these correlations reflect common cause.  Here is a great example: in the 1950’s, there was a correlation between the spread of washing machines and the decline in reading aptitude.  Washing machines didn’t do that. However, washing machines spread because of the spread of indoor electricity and the simultaneous spread in televisions.  So, washing machines and poor reading were (directly and indirectly) increasing for the same reason.  In this case, however, we lack an analog for electricity: that is, something that both increases IP and injury risk.

          (Occam’s Razor is important here: “common cause” requires a 3rd factor, and we should prefer a 2-factor explanation without convincing evidence; that is, until you can show me the TV, assume that it’s the washing machine, however absurd that might be.)

          Now, not every kid who watches TV is illiterate and not every smoker gets lung cancer or emphysema.  Ditto that for what X IP does to any one guys arm.  These are, after all, probabilistic systems in which there are many other factors involved.  But these clearly are big affecting factors and ones about which you can do something easily (i.e., don’t smoke, don’t leave your pitcher in the game with a huge lead and 100 pitches thrown, and turn of the TV when the Cubs are not playing.)  These solutions are not perfect, but they are good: and Voltaire’s warning is as true now as it was then.


          • Norm

            So is it between IP or is the correlation between an increase in IP from one year to the next?
            And is it really IP or is it # of pitches, since all innings are not created equal?

            My opinion is that it doesn’t matter if Samardzija throws 70 innings, 160 innings, or 200 innings. The only reason there will be an increase in injury chance is because of the increase in playing time; in the same way that Starlin Castro has more of a chance to get injured by playing in 162 games than he would in 130 games.

          • Mike Foster

            Doc, don’t ever stop posting here……

            • Chase S.

              He’s like the Cliff Clavin of Bleacher Nation.

    • BluBlud

      I completely agree with what Wainwright said. Let the man pitch. The Yanks had Joba on a pitch count, and you see what happened. I say turn Smarj lose.

      • TWC

        You think if Samardzija is on a pitch count that it’s likely that he’ll suffer a severe, open dislocation of his ankle while bouncing on a trampoline?

        • DocPeterWimsey

          Definitely!  Look, to compete with Derek Jeter for females of the species, a male Yankee either has to throw 120 pitches or be acrobatic as all hell.  (I mean, Capt’n Jetes leaves autographed baseballs: try topping that nest egg!)  Because Joba was on a pitch count, he had to resort to the acrobatics: thus leading to nobody’s satisfaction…..

    • Brett

      I think you misapprehend the relevance of Wainwright’s TJ surgery in this instance. I did my best to explain, but it has nothing to do with correlation or causation.

  • Fishin Phil

    Dear Adam Wainright,

    Have a big, steaming cup of STFU!

    That is all.

  • Richard Nose

    I’ve always despised Carpenter. He (along with Kobe Bryant) thinks he can do whatever he wants, i.e. throw at someone, then when someone returns the favor, i.e. throws at him, he blows up like someone just did him wrong. Pukes. I guess I’d never really seen much out of Wainwright, now I can’t stand him either. All this talk about ‘class organization’ this and ‘great fans’ that…all along LaRussa, Carpenter, Wainwright, and Molina have been pieces of shit as far as I’m concerned. LaRussa was always the same as Carpenter, I’ll throw at you all I want but the second you even look at me before you throw a pitch this shit’s goin down. I’d pay a lot of money to see Brandon Phillips beat the shit out of Yadier too. Damn I can’t stand them.

  • jim

    With zambrano and marshall, cubs are in first place! Bad moves theo. Volstad and wood?

    • TWC

      “With zambrano and marshall, cubs are in first place! Bad moves theo. Volstad and wood?”

      Uh huh.  ‘Cause we were in first place last year.  With Zambrano and Marshall.  Right.

    • Mrp

      Oh yeah, I forgot the deadline to judge all trades was today.

      Do people not understand what it means to move a short term asset to try and acquire a long term asset? It is really an easy concept.

  • Ogyu

    There seems to be a typo in the headline for this item. It clearly was supposed to read: “Adam Wainwright Is A Moron Who Should STFU.” Somehow, that appears to have gotten mis-typed as: “Adam Wainwright Might Be Kind of Dopey, Should Probably Shut Up.”

    • Brett

      One or two slips of the fingers.

  • louis

    Sounds like Waino is trying to take the media attention off his awful start to the season.

  • Mac Salk

    Irony…..that is all.

  • Rick Vaughn

    Wainwright = Douche…wait for it…bag