It’s throwback night in San Francisco, as the Cubs try to turn back the clock to 1912 when they weren’t quite so awful. That sounds like a line, but that’s kind of actually what’s happening tonight.

Game Info

Chicago Cubs (18-33) at San Francisco Giants (28-24), 6:15pm CT on FOX.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

The Series Preview for this series lives here.

Starting Pitchers

Matt Garza (2-3, 4.22 ERA, 1.163 WHIP)


Matt Cain (5-2, 2.79 ERA, 0.930 WHIP)

San Francisco Giants Lineup

1. Gregor Blanco, RF

2. Ryan Theriot, 2B

3. Melky Cabrera, LF

4. Buster Posey, C

5. Angel Pagan, CF

6. Aubrey Huff, 1B

7. Joaquin Arias, 3B

8. Brandon Crawford, SS

9. Matt Cain, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Tony Campana, CF

2. Starlin Castro, SS

3. David DeJesus, RF

4. Alfonso Soriano, LF

5. Bryan LaHair, 1B

6. Steve Clevenger, C

7. Darwin Barney, 2B

8. Joe Mather, 3B

9. Matt Garza, P

  • Mrp

    Gonna need you to dominate today Garza. Show those Blue Jays what ya got!

  • CubFan Paul

    Fox is showing the Reds game in Indy ..grrrr

  • mikaylaaa

    how weird is this to think about: in 1912, the cubs had played in the world series 4 times in the past 6 years and won it twice..

  • Carew

    I really like this lineup. You could flip-flop Sori and LaHair but good. But I do wish Castro could learn to situationally hit better with Campana on base.

    • CubFan Paul

      Oh wow, LaHair isn’t the clean-up man (against a RHP)

    • ferrets_bueller

      Yeah, but the wrong 3B is in the lineup.

      • Carew

        Is Stewart’s wrist acting up again or something?

        • njriv

          Yupp, wrist soreness

          • Carew

            oh crap

  • Chad

    Dale has lost his flippin mind. Dejesus batting 3rd???? He is taking pages right out of Quade’s book and nobody calls him on it. LAHAIR SHOULD BE BATTING 3RD. Good God this is pathetic. Put Camp at #8, Mather at #5 and DeJesus at #1. WTF.

    • Carew

      The best hitter is usually in the 3-hole, and right now DeJesus is the best hitter. Its not like this gonna be every single game

    • Njriv

      I dont mind it, I think he should have put DeJesus 3rd a little sooner, LaHair could find his way to the 3 spot, but this is just lineup one of many line-up changes.

  • http://i Cory

    I love this line up! Dejesus 3rd until lahair stops slumping is fine with me as long as soriano is not 3 im fine. I think we will all be pleasantly surprised at how this lineup does against Cain

  • ferrets_bueller

    Cubs need to make these their regular jerseys next year.

  • calicubsfan007

    I like the switching in the batting order, might provide different results. Hopefully, Garza pitches well again so we can either trade him for solid prospects or sign him long term.

  • ferrets_bueller

    Joe Mather making Aramis look like a GG’r at 3B….

  • Terry

    I like this lineup too,think Dale is doing the best he can with what he has to work with.

  • die hard

    Was that Ricketts and Tidrow chatting over an Irish Coffee…Looked like them…hmmmm

    • MichiganGoat

      Goodbye Theo hello Dick?

      • CubFan Paul

        …there’s a joke in there somewhere

  • njriv

    Anyone else catch that “where’s Brett Jackson” sign behind homeplate?

  • Mike S

    That’s 2 good outings from Marmol in a row.

    Let’s say that Marmol get’s back to his “dominating” form. What would be a realistic view of what we could get for him come July?

    • rcleven

      He’s gonna need more time than July. Could be moved over the winter if he continues to improve.

      • Njriv

        I don’t see the Cubs getting much if they were to move him due to his inconsistent track record.

  • AD

    Vitters the new Rizzo? Leads off the fifth with a solo home run!

    • Alex

      It’s great to see how he’s been hitting lately.

    • ShootTheGoat

      He is raking right now!! I think sometimes we as Cubs’ fans, get impatient with Vitters. Then I have to remind myself that he still just 22. He is still one of the youngest at AAA. Hope he continues and we see him in the majors soon! Definitely need more from the hot corner than what were getting presently. IMO

      • ferrets_bueller

        I think Vitters might actually have the highest floor of any Cubs prospect. The problem is, thats where, until recently, he’s been playing- at his floor.

  • AD

    Imagine a lineup of
    CF Szczur
    SS Castro
    LF Soler
    1B Rizzo
    3B Vitters
    RF Jackson
    2B Lake
    C Clevenger

    “If ” even half these players pan out the Cubs will be a few strong arms away from contending yearly for the next ten years.

    • Hansman1982

      Out of your list we should get 1 out of Rizzo and Jackson, 1-2 of lake Vitters clevenger Soler and szczur. So basically if we get 3 regular contributors out of your lineup we should consider ourselves lucky, getting 5 would be simply amazing all 9 would be a reason to fire theo and rehire Hendry.

      • AD

        And this list doesn’t even include Javier Baez!

        • LEO L

          it doesnt include what we get for dempster and garza

          • AD

            Hopefully that is where we get some much needed pitching for the future.

        • Njriv

          Down the road this could be a good problem for the Cubs, If these guys pan out and/or they are not traded. Baez and Lake are both SS that could result in position changes. Baez could move over to 3B and Lake could change to several other positions. What does that mean for Vitters? Or if Castro is not fully developed at SS and Baez seems to be a better defender there would that mean moving Castro to 2B? If everyone is hitting I’m pretty sure the Cubs will make it work.

          • Luke

            There is not a better defensive shortstop in the Cubs’ system than Starlin Castro.  Nor is there a better defensive shortstop in the draft.  Nor, I think, are there more than a dozen or so better defensive shortstops in the entirety of organized baseball, including the high school and college ranks.

            Castro is not a defensive liability.  He does not need to be moved.  He just needs experience.

            • Kyle

              *cheers wildly*

            • njriv

              Oh yeah I think he can be a great SS, personally I think Vitters and/or Lake might be trade chips, I was just saying IF (and I know that’s a big if) the Cubs keep Vitters, Baez and Lake and they all pan out they are going to have to move people around.

  • Cub Gone Wild

    I’m ready for that lineup tomorrow. Except I would have lahair hanging in my outfield corner

  • AD

    By 2014, this lineup could be a real possibility.

    • Kyle

      It really won’t ever happen. It just doesn’t work that way. Half the names on that list will go the way of our Kelton/Montanez/Choi/Hill infield, or our Wood/Prior/Guzman/Cruz/Christiansen rotation, or our funky Brooks Kieshnick OF/RP combo package.

      Some will pan out and become awesome assets for us, of course.

      • djriz

        You forgot our Earl Cunnigham/Felix Pie/Ryan Harvey outfield.

        And why doesn’t Ty Griffin get any love?

  • Sully777

    I will say this; if the Cubs have the opportunity to make a blockbuster trade in the next month or so, with a serious haul of top prospects coming back our way-and the only thing holding the deal up was the Cubs throwing in a top prospect to help the other teams front office feel something young with talent was coming their way-I would throw Vitters in there in a HEARTBEAT! I realize this guy has his believers; but I’m concerned the only consistent raking he will be doing over the next few years will be on his front lawn once yet another AAA season comes to a close…

    • AD

      While I too have doubts about Vitters as a legitimate major league third baseman, lets remember that he is still only 22 years old. Still has time left to make an impact.

    • Kyle

      I’ve been one who has never given up on Vitters, and I think you are underselling his defense (which has steadily improved since he’s been a pro and could probably be called “adequate” now), but I agree that a trade may be in his future.

      He’s a nice useful chip, but I don’t see him taking 3b away from Ian Stewart next season, and I don’t see Stewart netting anything of value in a trade, so there’s really no immediate future for Vitters. His value will be as a serviceable, cheap 3b to a small market team.

      Unless this AAA season isn’t just an incremental improvement and the light really has turned on, in which case woohoo.

      • Sully777

        Kyle: I love the unconditional belief; but I think you said everything that needs to be said when you stated that Vitters probably wasn’t going to take third base away next year from a guy currently hitting .195; and who likely won’t be more than .250 next year with hopefully 20-25 HR’s. You know, I really didn’t understand last winter why so many Garza rumors included a top 3B prospect coming our way-I understand now. I would love to get Middlebrooks or Castellanos from the BoSox/Tigers; but can any of us stomach more Larry Lucchino dealings?(Don’t know about their SP prospects either). We’ve been through too many Felix Pie’s, Ty Griffin’s, Corey Patterson’s and Earl Cunningham’s for my liking; and the skeptical side of me is concerned Vitters is headed for that distinction.

        • Kyle

          “Unconditonal” belief? I’ve laid out the case for Vitters as a legitimate prospect many times. It has nothing to do with “unconditional belief” and everything to do with a dispassionate, objective evaluation of the facts.

          For every Felix Pie, Ty Griffin, Corey Patterson and Earl Cunningham, there’s been a Mark Grace, Starlin Castro, Ryan Theriot, Darwin Barney, Geovany Soto or others. There is no magic anti-Cubs force causing prospects to fail.

          Vitters is not an elite prospect by any means. I’m not for a moment claiming there’s a 100% chance he becomes an established major leaguer. I’m not even sure I’d put it much past 50/50. But it’s not zero.

          • Luke

            Sometimes I think “prospect” is translated to mean “guaranteed future All-Star,” when really it should just mean “probable future major league player” at best.  Some of those prospects have All-Star potential (Anthony Rizzo) while some project as not much more than career back ups (Steve Clevenger), but the term prospect should cover them all.

            And by that understanding of the word, Vitters is as absolutely a legit prospect.  He can still be a bust (as can anyone in the system), but he is a good prospect.

      • Hansman1982

        I really like Vitters and I like him much more than Lake due to the k rates of the two but I agree that Stewart isn’t going anywhere until next season. They may 60-day dl him to allow Vitters to come up in aug-sept and let his wrist heal but 3b is Stewart’s job to lose

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    I think people are wholly unrealistic on Vitters, he still has a chance to be a player.

    That said until today, I held out hope for 2013, I am now in the back up the truck mode, and I do believe Castro or anyone else is available for the right package. in the case of Castro we have in he last 24 hours clarity on what similar impact prospects mean. Plural of Castro, for those who think he’s HOF that’s probably bad news, for those like me who now realize 2013 is likely gone and when you see Soriano f up and entire day with that just atrocious play in left field, what a joke the guy has no legs and if he were a horse, keep him from the glue truck. I understand they want to move him, so much so they will pay all but 3M and no one wants him, and worse yet, the alternatives are pushing.

    And yes the everyday line up is that bad with almost no core other than Castro. And given some of his deficiencies if the price is right…. This is legitimately a horrible team, save the starting pitching.

  • Jed

    So I went to see the Peoria Chiefs- Kane County Cougars game tonight. Javier Baez launches a three run home run and Jose Rosario mowed down every batter in sight. Also, Ronnie Woo-woo was there.

  • Chris

    I didn’t hear Ronnie, but Rosario and Baez were impressive. Where were you sitting? Also thought it was interesting watching Baez get drilled for swinging 3-0 with a 13 run lead. Hopefully that’s a lesson he takes away from this game. He looked good at the plate and he was pretty good in the field as well.

    • Jed

      I was on the third base line just past the dugout. Ronnie was behind home, but I don’t think he stayed the entire game.

  • Jzwizard

    Matt Garza, the best 2-4 pitcher in baseball

  • gutshot5820

    What about Dempster, the best o-fer pitcher in baseball?