LIVE: The 2012 MLB Draft Day Two, Rounds 2 Through 15 (UPDATES Aplenty)

Well, it was a late and exciting night last night, when the Cubs selected high school outfielder Albert Almora with their first selection in the 2012 MLB Draft (sixth overall), and then college pitcher Pierce Johnson (43rd overall) and high school pitcher Paul Blackburn (56th overall). And, while they may be among the highest rated prospects selected by the Cubs in this year’s Draft, they are just the tip of the iceberg. Rounds two through fifteen will go today over the next few hours.

Anthony Rizzo is pretty roundly considered the Cubs’ top prospect at this point. But where was he five years ago? He was being drafted by Theo Epstein, Jed Hoyer, and Jason McLeod in the sixth round of the Draft, and signing for $325,000.

The point? There is some seriously important talent at stake in these middle rounds. There are a number of first round/supplemental round-caliber talents left on the board, including guys like Tanner Rahier, Chris Beck, Anthony Alford, Hunter Virant, and Ty Buttrey, among many, many others. The nice thing for the Cubs? A great deal of the best available talent is on the pitching side.

Things get underway at 11am CT, and you can watch a stream at

We’ll cover the picks here live. Throughout, I reckon there will be a steady stream of salient thoughts dropped in the comments, on the Message Boardon Twitter, and on Facebook. So join in, wherever your preference for chatting might lie.

Away we go, and here are the Cubs’ picks in round order (I’ll be updating as the Draft goes along):

2. Duane Underwood, RHP, Pope HS (GA) – One of the youngest pitchers in the Draft, Underwood is a high upside, raw prospect. I’m glad the Cubs went this route with one of their early picks. He’s 6’2″, 205 lbs, so he’s already a big kid. Here’s’s take: “Underwood is everything you’d want from a high school pitcher: athletic with arm strength, a chance to have three at least Major League-average pitches and outstanding mound presence.The Georgia product will sit in the low 90s with his fastball typically, but he can reach back for 95-96 mph occasionally. His secondary offerings aren’t as good as the fastball, but both his curve and changeup have a chance. When he throws them right, his curve can have a very good 12-to-6 late break and his changeup can be very deceptive. He doesn’t throw either consistently right now and he does have some issues with command at times. His poise, knowledge of the game and athleticsm say he’ll continue to evolve as a pitcher, meaning he could start moving up charts this spring.”

3. Ryan McNeil, RHP, Nipomo HS (CA) – Another high school pitcher for the Cubs (that’s three in a row). He’s 6’3″, 210 lbs, so, yes, he’s another big kid, who throws hard. The Cubs certainly have a type early in this Draft (and it’s exactly what they said they wanted). I’m a little surprised that they haven’t taken a lefty yet, though. McNeil was apparently worked out by the Cubs some time ago, so he was obviously on their radar. He was also telling teams that he was “pretty interested in signing,” so it’s fair to wonder if the Cubs might have known they could sign him easily.

4. Josh Conway, RHP, Coastal Carolina U. – Another right-handed pitcher for the Cubs, but there’s a twist here: not only is he a college pitcher, but he also just had Tommy John surgery. Apparently he was a big-time draft prospect until he went down the elbow injury. From “In the smaller Big South Conference, Coastal Carolina has built a pretty good program that saw four players get drafted and sign in 2011. This year, it could have been Conway’s turn before an elbow injury ended his season and required Tommy John surgery. Once a two-way player, Conway gave up hitting completely to focus on the mound in 2012 and it was paying off. Coastal Carolina’s Friday starter, he’s a bit of an undersized right-hander, but one with a pretty good three-pitch mix. A good athlete on the mound, he throws a fastball, slider and changeup, all of which have the chance to be solid average offerings. Without truly overpowering stuff, he’ll have to continue to improve his command and keep hitters off-balance. Pre-injury, he had the chance to join teammate (and 2011 second-round pick) Anthony Meo as a fairly early Draft pick. Now a team will have to be willing to draft him and let him rehab under its watchful eye.” It will be interesting to see how much money he’ll take to sign, given that it’s pretty much a lottery ticket for the Cubs, and it would be hard for him to improve his Draft stock by returning to college for his senior year when he might not be able to pitch.

5. Anthony Prieto, LHP, Americas HS (TX) – Finally, a left-handed pitcher. Prieto is a smaller guy (5’11″ 170 lbs), who’s apparently new to pitching. He was at the tail end of BA’s top 500 draft prospects, so it makes you wonder if this is a kid the Cubs have spoken to, and believe they can sign for under slot.

6. Trey Lang, RHP, Gateway CC (Arizona) – Another hard-throwing right-handed pitcher for the Cubs, Lang is a top 200 draft prospect, and one who will probably be signing right around slot, if not a touch under. He’s a converted outfielder, so there isn’t much polish. As with many of the other pitchers, it’s all about his upside.

7. Stephen Bruno, 3B, University of Virginia – Hey, a positional player! Bruno was not considered a consensus top 300/400 type prospect in the Draft, so this pick could be a bit about trying to sign a player under slot (though Bruno is not a senior, he’s a junior). Bruno’s played around the infield, but missed the 2011 season with an injury. He’s a smaller guy – 5’9″ 165 lbs, but he had great numbers at Virginia this year (.370/.424/.559). Sounds like a vintage Theo/Jed/Jason pick.

8. Michael Heesch, LHP, University of South Carolina-Beaufort – Another pitcher, but this one is a college senior. That is the kind of guy you’d expect to be an underslot target at this point in the Draft. That’s not to say the Cubs don’t like him, but he doesn’t have much leverage. Sounds like Heesch is also a local boy, who pitched a couple years at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Yeah, all in all, I’m think this one saves the Cubs some money.

9. Chadd Krist, C, University of California-Berkeley – The Cubs take another college senior. Krist is a relatively light-hitting catcher, and I don’t think the Cubs view him as, for example, a Geovany Soto (or even Steve Clevenger/Welington Castillo) replacement in a few years. He’ll be depth at the position, and the Cubs will see what happens. They’ll also probably sign him for underslot.

10. Chad Martin, RHP, Indiana University – The Cubs go back to a pitcher, and it’s another college senior. Martin split time in the rotation and in the bullpen, but wasn’t particularly impressive (by the stats) in a lesser league. Once again, I’d say the Cubs are looking to save some money. Where they plan on using it remains to be seen. I don’t mean to tell you that some of the earlier pitchers they took won’t require overslot money, mind you. It just doesn’t look that way to me on a first glance.

11. Rashad Crawford, CF, Mundy’s Mill HS (GA) – As I’d hoped, the Cubs go with a high schooler in the 11th round, but I haven’t yet been able to determine whether he’s a “tough to sign” type of high schooler. I’m guessing he is, based on the placement (then again, he’s committed to Tallahassee Community College, which is fine, but not the kind of powerhouse baseball school you tend to fear when trying to sign a kid). Looks like he was the Georgia 4-AAAA player of the year, and has been compared to a “more advanced Lorenzo Cain.”

12. Justin Amlung, RHP, University of Louisville – Another college senior  junior (redshirt), but, given his placement in the Draft, the Cubs must actually just like him a lot. He’s the 288th ranked prospect according to BA, so there you go. He had great numbers this year. Now that I see he’s a redshirt junior, he might be a tough sign.

13. Bijan Rademacher, OF, Orange Coast College (CA) – The number 445 Draft prospect, according to BA, Rademacher was at Cal State Fullerton last year, but now is at Orange Coast, which is a Juco. I’m not sure of the story.

14. Corbin Hoffner, RHP, St. Petersburg College (FL) – Another Juco selection, Hoffner is a tall righty (6’5″) who put up huge numbers in his league. He’s also quite young for a “college” draftee – he doesn’t turn 19 until the end of July.

15. Carlos Escobar, C, University of Nevada-Reno – BA had Escobar ranked 448 in the Draft. He’s a junior who put up decent, but not overwhelming numbers this past year.

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398 responses to “LIVE: The 2012 MLB Draft Day Two, Rounds 2 Through 15 (UPDATES Aplenty)”

  1. Nathan

    Taylor Dugas drafted by the Yankees, cubs drafted him last year and he didnt sign

    1. JulioZuleta

      8th round both times. Hendry had a part in both picks. Seems like a classic Hendry (see: useless) pick.

  2. Cubs Dude

    Why not just pick garbage guys who will sign for anything with the last couple picks in top 10 pay them 10k, and take the rest of the savings towards signing other guys?

  3. MichiganGoat

    This may have already been answered (somany replys), but does the slot money go into a team giving a HS kid money for college (if he busts, injury etc.) I thought teams use to give HS players an additional “college fund” on top of the contract. A friend and I are trying to understand why a HS would sign some of these lower round slot money (outside of wanting to be a star). When they could get a full ride to a university, I guess as parent this new CBA would make me more hesitant to support my child bypassing college.

    1. Kyle

      That would count as compensation and count toward the pool.

      1. MichiganGoat

        That’s what I thought so where is the incentive to sign? I understand the desire to be the next best thing and all HS believe they are, but basically they are signing a deal that really doesn’t benefit them anymore than taking a full ride to a university (unless they make the big show).

        1. Kyle

          The incentive is early entry into the world of professional baseball, where you make insane money if you get to the top.

          It really depends on the kid. If they want to have a future outside of baseball, sure, go ahead and go to college.

          But if you want to make a career out of baseball (and that includes coaching or scouting after your playing days), might as well get into organized pro ball immediately. The minors is your college.

  4. Andrew

    I think one strategy intriguing to me to game the system a bit is to just pick a bunch of cheap college seniors rounds 10-40, sign them all for 50,000 each maybe. That would free up an extra 1.5 million for one nice player. Its one way i could see of gaming the system but i doubt its worth taking a bunch of players just because they are cheap

  5. JulioZuleta

    After round 10, going under slot doesn’t give you more money to play with.

  6. MichiganGoat

    I’m still struggling to grasp how this slot system helps baseball. Outside of the dream of playing what is the financial benefit for some of these players to sign- as all my hommies say “it’s all about the Benjamins”

    1. Kyle

      What is the financial benefit of them not signing?

      If they are high school players or even college juniors, they get to gamble that they’d somehow improve their scouting evaluations and get paid more in the future, but that’s a very iffy bet.

      If they are college seniors, they either sign or go sell cars for a living.

      As for how it helps baseball, it doesn’t. It helps baseball owners. They get to cut the cost of signing amateur U.S. players by tens of millions of dollars.

      1. MichiganGoat

        Yup it lines the owners pockets but in the long term not having the top talent will hurt the game and hurt the owners. They’ve got to be smarter business mean than that.

      2. koyiehillsucks

        From the owners point of view, the baseball draft is the biggest gamble out of the 4 major sports. I’d hate to throw money at a guy who doesn’t make it out of double A

        1. MichiganGoat

          Oh I understand the rationale but this system is just a complete swing in the other direction and was pushed so quickly onto teams it felt reactionary. Pair that with the money being given to teams with TV contracts and the need to save just doesn’t make sense.

        2. Kyle

          Yeah, but you’d love to have a guy who would cost you $20 million on the market be forced to play for $400k. The payoff of the guys who stick is more than enough to offset the cost of the many guys who don’t.

    2. Luke

      In theory it allows the worst teams to have the most money to spend on the most players, and keeps the rich teams from spending unlimited money to lure the best players no matter how good or bad they are.  in theory, it will help balance the competitiveness of the game over time.

      1. MichiganGoat

        There are so many flaws to that theory, its overly regulated for something that didn’t appear broke.

        1. Luke

          Depends on who you asked.  The Pirates (who were terrible) and the Royals (who were terrible) did not think the system was broken at all.

          The White Sox (who won a World Series not too long ago) thought it was just about the worst thing to happen since Rosie O’Donnell got a TV show.

          1. koyiehillsucks

            As I understood it actually affected the “poorer” teams because even “big contracts” in baseball were acceptable and that is where “poorer” teams could “splurge”.

  7. Fishin Phil

    “The Cubs take another college senior. Krist is a relatively light-hitting catcher, and I don’t think the Cubs view him as, for example, a Geovany Soto (or even Steve Clevenger/Welington Castillo) replacement in a few years. He’ll be depth at the position, and the Cubs will see what happens. ”

    Krist – a young Koyie Hill!

    1. HuskerCub

      Crap you beat me to it.

      1. Fishin Phil

        Great minds think a like, which should scare the crap out of you. ;)

    2. MichiganGoat

      Well it’s important to have Koyie Hill depth, you can never have enough WTF and suck.

      1. koyiehillsucks

        Per my name, I agree 100% with this…

  8. HuskerCub

    “light-hitting catcher” – Did we just draft Koyie Hill’s replacement?

    1. MichiganGoat

      I love how everyone can be on the exact same punch line at the exact same time. BN has the best commentators.

  9. JP

    Another underslot guy? Are there some guys worth drafting and paying overslot left?

    Anyone understand the strategy?

    Unless there is a strategy, I’d like “Regular-slot” guys.

    1. MaxM1908

      I really think they already have a number with Almora and they know it’s going to take a sizable portion of the 7.9 million they have for the first 10 rounds, so they’re just trying to increase their chances of signing players with significantly less money.

      1. JP

        Ah ha! That makes sense. If it means signing Almora, I am fine with these underslot guys.

        I was just thinking with Almora’s “character” and “love for the game” and all that, he’d sign for slot and was hoping the Cubs were preparing to draft an exciting overslot guy soon (good value where selected).

        1. Luke

          I think he will sign right around slot.  Boras will probably make sure he signs over slot so he can stick another feather in his cap, but it will only be a few percent over, I think.

    2. Luke

      Could be two different things going on.

      1 – The Cubs drafted aggressively with their first five picks, and now they are building themselves a little bit of a cap-room cushion to help make sure they can sign all of those guys.

      2 – The Cubs are eyeing some players who they expect to fall out of the first ten rounds and are trying to free up some cash to make a bid over $100k for some of them in round 11 and beyond.

      I don’t think any of the Cubs early picks, including Almora, are likely to be tough signs or are likely to demand much over slot money.  I think we’re in scenario 2.

  10. North Side Irish

    Drafting a couple low leverage prospects these past few rounds seems a little suspicious to me as we approach the 10th round and the end of the pool limit. I wonder if one of the earlier picks is asking for above slot money or if they are saving money to throw at someone. The timing just seems a bit convenient…

  11. Joe

    Pretty interesting. The Rangers have drafted nothing but college players. Would there be some sort of advantage in doing so?

    1. Luke

      That was a big part of the Cubs’ strategy in the Wilken / Hendry era.  Done consistently over a few years, it gets you a farm system with a huge amount of depth but not much in the way of premium talent.

  12. Serious Cubs Fan

    These players that we just selected in the last 2-3 rounds maybe besides for Heesch if his body can fill out even more (which I doubt, since he’s already 6-4 220lbs.) and he adds a couple MPH on his pitches will most likely not make it to the majors. Its a completely crap shoot. They are just picking fillers right now. Not seeing much true talent. Seems like they have been take just singable low ceiling guys. I don’t understand why they don’t pick some high risk potential high ceiling at this level guys. I don’t understand the strategy. Hopefully we can find a diamond in the rough

  13. JP

    As a Cubs fan who finds it tough to trust FO’s who say they know how to draft MLB players (last 10 years has been utterly awful, I want to believe/trust Theoyercloud.

    What would help is the following:
    –Rizzo comes up this year and plays well (don’t need him to rake, just need him to avoid hitting .141).
    –Some college pitcher from this draft comes up next year as a reliever and is really good.
    –Torreyes starts hitting well (he seemed to be the main piece of the Marshall deal).
    –Some hitters and pitchers from this draft in 2013 produce good numbers in the minors (quick peruse of Baseball Reference top performers of 2012 shows Rizzo is the only CUBS player in the top 120 I believe for hitters or pitchers). We need more than one.

    1. DocPeterWimsey

      Well, look at Theo & Jed’s track records with the Sox (and the early signs of a record with the Padres); it’s a very different picture than with the Cubs.  The Sox got more production out of there draft picks over the last decade than any other MLB team.  That was not all Theo’s doing: but clearly he was overseeing a good operation: and clearly a very different operation than Hendry ran.  Cutting to brass tacks, Theo’s idea of a good prospect (especially for position players) is very different from Hendry’s idea of a good prospect.

      1. JP

        Right. That is my hope.

        I just want to see SOMEONE come up from the minors that we can see based on his performance will be a true keeper (Rizzo or a RP with a bada$$ WHIP, etc.).

        I do’;t expect these guys to contribute for 3-6 years, but in the meantime, if they can figure out a way to give me one player per year brought up from the minors who can stick regardless of position (and we all can tell they are good), I’ll give you my heart and my soul ;-).

    2. Serious Cubs Fan

      Not sure Torreyes is the player they thought they were getting. He hit well at low levels but he isn’t performing as well now. It would be interesting to see if the cubs would do that trade again if they knew what they knew now. Plus it doesn’t help that he has a small unpredictable body. Dave sappelt isnt doing well at all either in AAA. But Travis Wood has been a decent surprise of late.

      1. JulioZuleta

        Actually, Torreyes is smokin’ hot right now.

        1. JP

          Per Baseball Reference, Torreyes is hitting .204 with an OPS of .555.

          That is kind of dis-heartening.

      2. Luke

        Check Torreyes’ peripherals.  His slash line doesn’t look great, but if you look at his BABIP, for instance, you see he’s mainly been as unlucky as anyone.  I wouldn’t worry about him.

        1. DocPeterWimsey

          I am coming more and more to think that we should break slash lines down into singles ave./doubles+triples ave./HR ave./walks ave.; so much of the “up” and “down” of slumps comes from singles and that gives you the least idea (for good or ill) of how well a batter is hitting.

          1. Luke

            Switching to something like wOBA might be easier.  That won’t tell the whole story, but it beats the slash line.

            1. DocPeterWimsey

              From a statistical point of view, it would be easier to calculate the variance on wOBA (which you could calculate from the 1B/2+3B/HR/BB/K line) by breaking it up.  Basically, it becomes a weighted 5-sided die, and the question becomes “has the weight changed?”

              Now, singles are nice, and they sure beat outs, but I’ll pay more attention to the 2&3B, HR, BB & K rates: those are “truer” in the sense that less luck is involved.  From what you write, Torreyes would look pretty consistent on the important slashes.

              1. Drew7

                Im a huge fan of wOBA. That, along w OPS+, i feel gives you a good idea of a players overall ability (slump and no slump!). Stats like RC and WAR tend to get on my nerves due to the lack of a universal formula.

                1. DocPeterWimsey

                  Oh, I agree: but what I like about breaking down wOBA into it’s constituent parts is that the variance on the individual components is different, and thus you can get a truer estimate of whether (and, if so, how) a player is deviating in his performace over time or situations.

  14. Cubs Dude

    When you say you can pay under slot, how much unders slot is allowed? Could we sign our 9th rd. pick (Koyie HIll Jr.) for 10k and use the rest towards good players? I mean that guy is a Sr. and looks like he may not have other options..

    1. Luke

      And if you do that four times, now you can offer about $500,000 to a guy in the eleventh round without harming the cap at all.  It isn’t a bad plan.

      1. nkniacc

        do they have to be offered 40% of the slot rec tho?

      2. JP

        But you’d HAVE to have that agreed to with the underslot guys (handshake 10K contract) to even try that strategy, right?

        Which MLB says shouldn’t happen.

        Would be horrible to keep doing this underslot stuff and then find those underslot players screw you out of the 500K guy you drafted in round 12.

  15. JulioZuleta

    By the way Luke, I tweeted Urban and he said Austin Urban‏@Austin_Urban13

    @SteveJB54 I start my rehab throwing next week

    I guess he had an injury?

    1. Luke

      Yep.  I’d have to look up exactly what it was.

  16. Luke

    I’m not sure Chad Martin (10th round pick) is a pure signability pick.

    He’s big (6’7″), but he’s athletic and pitched deep into games for IU.  Toss in a fastball clocked in the low 90s, and I can see some upside.  The Cubs may be eyeing him as a back of the rotation starter option.  I’m sure signability was a factor, but I think this is a guy to keep an eye on.

  17. Puma0821

    Question: So if the Pirates drafted Appel with no intention of signing him, they will then get the 9th pick in next years draft and their own… Then, do they essentially get that extra 2.9 mil to over-slot guys the rest of this draft? Thus, coming out with potetially a couple 1st round caliber HS guys who may of gone undrafted due to signability issues plus get a huge pool next year (in a stronger draft) for 2 guys probably in the top 10ish…

    1. Luke

      No.  If the Pirates can’t sign Appel, then they lose that $2.9 million in cap space.

  18. nkniacc

    Yeah if they got the 3 guys they really wanted yesterday they likely know what it will take to sign them and by taking college seniors they can free up a bit of cash to use either past the 10th rd or on any of the other players 2-7. I think they saved a decent amount of money with the way they picked so I’ll be very interested to see where they go after the 10th rd

  19. Cheryl

    Luke, Overall how would you rate the cubs draft so far? It seems like they’re hoping to do much more with trades than through some of these picks.

  20. Serious Cubs Fan

    Anyone know how hard Chad Martin the 10th round throws? He’s listed at 6-7, 240lbs. Thats a big kid. Hopefully with that size he can hopefully reach mid 90′s. I look at his stats from 2011-2012. His era went up from 3.47 to 4.79. but his strikeouts went up in by a decent amount in less innings pitched. Could be a decent value since he’s a senior with no leverage coming off a bad year. They could possibly sign him on the cheap. What I like is that he play higher level competition going to a bigger school. Wanna see how he develops

    1. Luke

      I’ve seen low 90s, but that report was a couple years old.

      Still, low 90s out of a 6’7″ guy can be hard to hit.

  21. cubsin

    If the Cubs can sign everybody from rounds 1-10 near or under slot, they could wind up with a cushion of around $500,000 (5% of their cap plus any net underslot) to go over $100,000 on a few picks in the later rounds. So they could sign one guy who falls for $600,000, or two guys for $350,000, or five guys for $200,000. The best time to do that would presumably be in rounds 11-15.

  22. lou brock lives

    Best Cub draftee of the day is the Bruno kid from Virginia – this kid can HIT – has the size to play second base – DUSTIN PEDROIA – like slugging numbers. Virginia produces some very good PROS the last few years.

  23. ShootTheGoat

    What’s to keep teams from agreeing to the slotted amount, and then having a “verbal or handshake” agreement for an extra amount on the side if a certain player is wanting more money to sign. (Dillion Maples scenario, but under the new CBA.)

    1. Kyle

      It is against the rules, with severe penalties from the commissioner’s office if you get caught, including forfeiting picks and losing the player’s rights.

      1. ShootTheGoat


    2. ShootTheGoat

      Could this be possible, or is it so simplistic that MLB has it covered somehow? Just wondering.

  24. Nick Nesler

    Mr. Borassssss has Mr. Almora saying that he intends to focus on school right now.

  25. North Side Irish

    Wow…Virant to the Astros…was hoping he’d be the Cubs target. Really tough sign, but they could having savings from Correa agreeing under slot.

    1. nkniacc

      Yeah but McCullers won’t be an easy sign either

      1. Luke

        If they sign all three, Houston has had a great draft.

  26. Cub Gone Wild

    to answer why some kids sign instead of going to college. They can’t get into college. Big schools don’t have the scholarships for baseball like they do for football and basketball. Our son played at Indiana for 4 years on a half scholarship the whole time. Lot’s of schools do half scholarships to get more players on the roster. Otherwise you have a bunch of walk ons. Kids that are going for sports and an education will choose the school because it’s a good school and take the 1/2 scholarship rather than go to some school where your diploma isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on. Those schools prey on the highschool jocks who aren’t smart enough to get into a real good school. If a kid doesn’t have a 3.0 he ain’t going to Indiana and playing baseball. They don’t waste their time because the odds of that kid graduating are ridiculously low. It’s kinda like throwing good money down the drain if your a good school. Now the lessor schools will sign an kid with a less than desirable GPA just because their sports teams are their only real revenue source outside of tuitions and donations etc. So long story short… If I got a kid who didn’t do well in highschool he is gonna sign a contract. He might think about college later but odds are he won’t get into a school unless it’s community college. Baseball is there career for as long as they can hang onto it. When its over it’s off to selling cars or doing land scaping.

  27. Jon

    So what is the slot value for say the cubs’ 9th or 10th round picks?

  28. Cub Gone Wild

    And the kids who went to good schools but don’t get drafted go onto a good job somewhere because they have a shingle that’s worth something. Not many kids actually get drafted out of college. They go play as ringers in beer league softball.

  29. Luke

    I like the pick of Amlung.  I don’t know that he has the ceiling of the guys the Cubs took in the first six rounds or so, but I think he’s got some potential.  Looks like might be a good value for the 12th round.

    1. nkniacc

      yeah I like that pick actually better than the 10rd pick