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The 2012 MLB Draft concludes today with the final 25 rounds. The Cubs pick sixth in each round, and will look to pick up some hidden gems, and less-hidden gems that may have slipped for one reason or another.

The Cubs can sign each pick from here on out for as much as $100K without the bonus counting against their bonus pool, and it’s worth pointing out that $100K isn’t a small amount. Many players in the later rounds just want to play pro baseball, and sign for bonuses as small as $1000. So you can actually get some nice talent in these later rounds if you’re willing to spend $100K, let alone if you’ve saved some pool room earlier in the Draft and can go a little higher. Not every team is willing to spend another $2.5 million on these later 25 rounds. That’s all I’m saying.

Also, Theo/Jed/Jason have repeatedly said that this year’s Draft is a “scouting contest” thanks to the CBA changes, and these are some of the rounds where that will be most true.

Things get underway at 11am CT, and you can listen to a stream at MLB.com.

I’ll have all the picks up here in a timely fashion, maybe with a useful note or two (but no promises – many of these kids are unknowns in the truest sense). Feel free to drop your thoughts in the comments, on the Message Boardon Twitter, and on Facebook. So join in, wherever your preference for chatting might lie.

Away we go, and here are the Cubs’ picks in round order (I’ll be updating as the Draft goes along):

16. Michael Hamann, RHP, University of Toledo (OH) – Another tall righty (6’3″), Hamman could stand to add a little weight to his frame (170 lbs). Pretty weak stats across the board for Hamann, so I’m assuming this is about how he looks.

17. Nathan Dorris, LHP, Southern Illinois U. – A tall lefty this time (again, 6’3″), Dorris had decent collegiate numbers this year (struck out 80 in 82 innings).

18. David Bote, SS, Neosho County CC – A small (5’11”) middle infielder.

19. Damek Tomscha, 3B, Iowa Western CC – Huge numbers at the plate, but you’d hope that a decent prospect at a Juco would do that.

20. Blake Hickman, C, Simeon Career Academy (HS in IL) – A big, young catcher, who’s even got a scouting video at MLB.com. He doubles as a pitcher, as many high schoolers do.

21. Stephen Perakslis, RHP, University of Maine – A shorter (6′) pitcher, Perakslis had mediocre numbers in relatively short outings as a starter this year.

22. Eduardo Orozco, RHP, University of California-Riverside – Another tall righty, Orozco is a fifth year senior, so he’ll be signing.

23. Jake Drossner, LHP, Council Rock HS North (PA) – A high school lefty with decent size (6’1″, 190 lbs).

24. Jameson Fisher, C, Zachary HS (LA) – Another high school catcher. Might the Cubs be trying to steal a high upside catcher with one of these later picks?

25. Rhett Wiseman, CF, Buckingham Browne & Nichols HS (MA) – Well, the Cubs just took a home run swing. Wiseman is the 136th ranked prospect in the Draft according to BA, and is committed to play at Vanderbilt. From MLB.com: “Wiseman made the decision to play baseball at Vanderbilt when he was only 15. Based on where he is drafted, he might not be able to keep that promise. Wiseman has an athletic build and has incredible speed that will profile well in center at the next level. He has power that is created by bat speed, and he gets good loft on the ball. He has some swing-and-miss to his game and has a well-below-average arm, but many think that with some mechanical changes he could fix both of these problems. Wiseman is an excellent student with a great makeup, and if he isn’t picked within the first few rounds, he could end up being a tough sign.” I love the pick, even if the Cubs can’t sign him. No risk in taking a shot. Yesterday, Wiseman said he had set a number that it would take to sign him, and he doesn’t expect teams to meet it.

26. Jasvir Rakkar, RHP, SUNY-Stony Brook – Big righty, mostly a reliever last year. Decent but not spectacular numbers.

27. Tyler Bremer, RHP, Baylor University – A senior who was actually drafted by the Cubs two years ago (36th round). Some area scout must be a big fan. Mostly been a reliever this year, and has decent numbers.

28. Lance Rymel, C, Rogers St. University (OK) – A senior catcher without a ton of pop, but he hit .318 this year and had a .421 OBP. Like that IsoD.

29. Austin Pentecost, RHP, Lewis-Clark State (ID) – A big, senior pitcher. Started this past year, and put up decent numbers.

30. Izaac Garsez, RF, Col of Idaho – A senior outfielder listed as “RF,” so he better have quite a bat. And, a quick look says … holy crap. Yeah. Ridiculous numbers: .389/.467 /.674.

31. Bryan Bonnell, RHP, Centennial HS (NV) – Another big swing by the Cubs? Bonnell doesn’t show up on BA’s top 500 Draft prospects list, but he’s a 6’5″ righty who did show up on BA’s list of top Nevada prospects (number 10 in the state), and he comes complete with a scouting video on MLB.com.

32. Timothy Saunders, SS, Marietta College (OH) – A senior shortstop, Saunders is another player with ridiculously gaudy college numbers: .441/.512/.667. Why not take a chance on college seniors like this, right?

33. Thomas Pannone, OF, Bishop Hendricken School (RI) – A high school outfielder.

34. Christian Botnick, RHP, Notre Dame Catholic SS (ON) – A Canadian 17-year-old for the Cubs. Some scout dug deep on this one.

35. Ben Carhart, 3B, Stetson University (FL) – A me-sized college senior (ok, maybe a little bigger than my 5’8″ – depends on your source), with good, but not perversely good numbers.

36. Sly Edwards, CF, St. Brendan HS (FL) – Another high school center fielder.

37. Clayton Crum, RHP, Howard College (TX) – A Juco pitcher. Looks like a hard-throwing type.

38. Hassan Evans, CF, Herkimer County CC (NY) – Another Juco, this time a center fielder.

39. Rustin Sveum, 3B, Desert Mountain HS (AZ) – Yes, that is Dale’s son. And, yes, the Cubs are being nice. This is just a thing that teams do.

40. Jacob Rogers, 1B, Mt Olive College (NC) – With their final pick in the 2012 Draft, the Cubs take another college senior who put up ridiculous numbers.

That concludes the 2012 MLB Draft. And now we just wait on signing news. The deadline for signing is much earlier this year – it’s July 13.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    One thing to watch today, since we aren’t likely to know much about the players, are the trends.  Are the Cubs taking primarily pitching still?  High school, junior college, or four year college?  For their position players, are they pushing for raw power potential (1B, LF, RF), defensive skill positions (SS, C), speed (smallish OF and 2B), or something else?  Are there any regional trends (players out of the South, out of the West Coast, etc.)?

    • cjdubbya

      Partially out of naivete, partially out of laziness (well, that and I’ve been slacking a bit at work the past couple days in a draft haze), how has the braintrust gone in the past – any trends from the Boston/San Diego days that may indicate how they’re going to go this year?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        With the whole CBA, I’m not sure how valid past trends are.  I’d expect about 60% pitchers, though.

        • baldtaxguy

          Any feel what Hendry’s past trends were re: % of pitchers to whole draft?

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            It varied.  He went very pitcher heavy some years, but last year the Cubs really loaded up on position players.

  • http://www.trensy.com MrRobbins

    Michael Hamann Biography
    Courtesy: Toledo Athletics
    Release: 12/01/2009

    Toledo & Summer League Highlights
    Fully recovered from arm injury and will return for 2012 campaign … 2010 second-team All-MAC selection … Sits third in UT annals in career fewest walks per inning (min. 100.0 frames) (0.246) … Worked at least 7.0 innings in nine starts … Played 2010 summer for Thomasville Hi-Toms in Coastal Plain League … Tallied 1-3 mark in five contests with 26 strikeouts and 3.14 ERA … Ranked seventh-best professional prospect in Ohio by Baseball America in 2009 … Selected in 2009 Major League Baseball Amateur Draft in 24th round (725th overall pick) by Cleveland Indians … First high school player selected by Indians in 2009 draft … Played 2008 summer for Sandusky Legion Post 83 … Went 6-1 with 75 strikeouts and 1.62 ERA in 61.0 inning of work, leading team to state championship. (http://www.utrockets.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18000&ATCLID=204842452)

  • ETS

    Dorris is from an Illinois college. I wonder if he is a native.

    • cjdubbya

      Nathan Dorris bio from SLU’s website:

      2012 (Junior):Posted a 7-4 record and a 4.17 ERA in 16 appearances, 14 of them starts…Made 10 non-conference starts and three regular season conference starts…Tied for sixth in the MVC with seven wins…His 80 strikeouts were second most on the team and ninth most in the conference…His 82.0 innings was the second highest total on the team…Recorded a victory in each of his first four starts, posting a 2.95 ERA during that stretch…Recorded a career high 11 strikeouts in 5.1 innings of work on 5/1 at Illinois…In his last six regular season starts, posted a 3-2 record and a 1.83 ERA…Struck out nine or more batters in four of his final seven starts…Allowed seven runs, but only two earned runs, in three innings of work in the MVC Tournament.

      Prior to SIU: Played two years of juco ball at nearby Rend Lake College…Selected first team all-Great Rivers Athletic Conference as a sophomore…Signed a letter of intent to play at Vanderbilt before transferring to Rend Lake after one semester…Drafted by the Braves in the 45th round in 2009 out of Marion High School…As a sophomore in high school, named all-conference…Named conference player of the year as a junior and senior and selected to the all-state team as a senior…Recorded a sub-1.00 ERA his final two years of high school…Also played basketball and football for the Wildcats.

      Personal: Full name is Nathaniel Lee Dorris…Born on Dec. 9., 1990 in Carbondale…Son of Doug and Michelle Dorris…Father is an attorney and mother is an occupational therapist…Has one brother, Brock…Majoring in journalism.

      • ETS

        Thanks for the leg work!

  • http://www.dccoffeeproducts.com John

    Luke- how can I find out where if some of the local kids are drafted? Where can I go to see all the draft picks? Thanks

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      You can follow the draft and sort by team  and round here.

      http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2012/draftcaster.jsp

      As for picks by state, try Baseball America. I’m not sure if they have it up yet, but if not they probably will.

      • http://www.dccoffeeproducts.com John

        Thank you…

  • JulioZuleta

    Based on that video, Hickman definitely has the throwing mechanics of a Catcher. Hopefully that draft pick works out as well as another Simeon draft pick did…Derrick Rose. Simeon also has the number 1 Junior Basketball recruit in the country right now. They pump out athletes.

    • JulioZuleta

      The old Simeon motto, “If you’re smart enough to put on your jersey with little to moderate guidance, you’re smart enough to play for us.”

  • Gabriel

    EDDIE OROZCO:

    Orozco is currently ranked tenth in the Big West with a 2.84 ERA, and second in the conference in strikeouts with 106. He joins current Highlanders assistant coach Chris Smith and James Simmons as the only two UCR pitchers to reach the century mark in strikeouts in the Division I era of the program, and ranks fifth all-time in that category.

    On March 10, Orozco tied the team’s Division I era record by striking out 15 batters in a complete-game, three-hit, 1-0 victory over Sacramento State. For his efforts that week, he was named conference pitcher of the week, College Baseball Insider West Region Pitcher of the Week, Louisville Slugger National Player of the Week and to the College Baseball Hall of Fame and Diamond Sports National All-Star Lineup.

    He also posted back-to-back double-digit strikeout efforts in early May against Cal State Northridge and Pacific.

  • JulioZuleta

    I just saw 6’3″ 195 for Drossner and a fastball touching 91. Those are all 2011 #s too. Could be an interesting guy. Also could be a tough sign.

  • emrac

    nothing like drafting some flamethrowers

  • cubsin

    You can sometimes teach a flamethrower to throw strikes and add supplemental pitches. You can’t teach a 98 MPH fastball, or every pitcher would have one,

  • chirogerg

    I love our 18th round pick. He’s a local kid who has incredible power (I saw him hit a homer that was hit so low and hard that the shortstop almost caught it!), great hands, and off-the-charts baseball IQ.
    Brett, you call him small here, but 5’11 is not that small, he seems like a good-sized guy.

    • Andrew

      I know right im 5’11” and i consider myself average to slightly above average height! brett made me feel very inadequate with that comment

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I’m 5’8″.

  • Shawn

    I guess with all those pitchers the Cubs are drafting they will need plenty of catchers.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    I like the pick of Wiseman, but he is going to be tough to lure from Vandy.

    • butlerdawgs

      No doubt. Vandy churns out ML talent like a factory.

    • BD

      Hopefully they are able to save a little pool money to boost his bonus offer.

  • JulioZuleta

    I’m having a really hard time processing this. Under the new CBA, all rounds after 10 have the same slot. Why wait until round 25 to take a guy like Wiseman? Other teams are doing it too. I mean he’s clearly better than some of the guys we picked ahead of him. Hard to figure.

    • Kyle

      Because you take a guy you like with a 1% chance of signing over a guy you love with a 0% chance.

      There’s almost literally no chance Wiseman signs for late-round money, so there’s really no point to taking him while there are other guys you like on the board.

      • JulioZuleta

        I suppose. I’ll take my chances on the 5% signingof a stud, than the 50% signing of organizational filler.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          This late? Absolutely. But it’s not usually quite that clear/simple of a choice.

        • Kyle

          You don’t have a 5% chance of signing Wiseman.

          A pick like him is a great way to delineate when we are about to enter the “organizational filler” portion of the draft. You pick him when your board is completely out of guys you like, even a little bit.

          • JulioZuleta

            Without knowing what we save in the other rounds, we can’t say it’s a 0% deal

  • http://bleachernation.com lou brock lives

    The Cubs just drafted Almora insurance. They will let Boras know if he is not reasonable we have an alternate who will take the money we drafted at # 25 in Wiseman. Nice move Theo.

    • Kyle

      That’s not possible under the new CBA.

      • hardtop

        dammit. this sucks.  who’s idea was this new CBA?

        (im kidding)

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      If the Cubs don’t sign Almora, they lose that cap room.  Almora’s money cannot be reallocated elsewhere in the draft unless he signs under slot.

      The only way the Cubs sign Wiseman is if they blow their cap and forfeit next year’s first round pick, or if Wiesman signs for the Cubs’ price.

      • BD

        Although if Almora wants more than slot, anything over $3.25M would be saved for other signees.

    • Beer Baron

      Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. If they don’t sign Almora, they lose $3.25 million in signing money, which means they have even less to offer Wiseman. Best case for them to sign Wiseman is actually to sign Almora under slot so they have extra money left over in their pool, which means they need Boras even more.

  • Dumpgobbler

    Wiseman is kinda a just in case pick IMHO. Lets say Almora wants 5m. We’d likely lose Underwood / Blackburn if we sign almora at that number. This way, we can still keep Underwood and Blackburn + Wiseman, and take the 7th overall next year. Insurance plan really. God our FO is smart.

    • Matty Ice

      Not even remotely close to how it works

      • Dumpgobbler

        Why? 1-10 you have an alloted number. Say Almora wants 5 million no less at all. Yes, you lose that 3.25, but you dont lose the 5 for signing him. That give you an extra 1.75 to play with in the first 1-10. What could we offer Wiseman without losing picks? 300K? Its not likely to happen, but thats my guess on why we took him.

        • Matty Ice

          Because in your scenario of signing Almora for 5Mil, they don’t sign Underwood/Blackburn. If you don’t sign Underwood or Blackburn you lose that slot money for them, thus having even less money to sign Wiseman.

          • Dumpgobbler

            Now I’m completely confused. What I’m trying to say is that if Almora wants 5 Mil thats screws up our whole draft. We lose the 3.25 slot money. We should still have enough to sign everyone else. Now rounds 11 – the cap is 100K per but you can go over your pool by a total of 5% without losing picks. So why not jsut offer wiseman that 5% without going over? That way we dont lose picks next year, get the 7th next season and get all our guys + wiseman without being penalized? Am I wrong on the rules here?

            • Noah

              Let’s say the Cubs end up signing all their Top 10 round picks, and end up exactly their full spending limit based on slot value. The Cubs’ total slot value is $7,933,900. 4.99% of that amount is $395,901.61. That’s not anywhere near enough to get Wiseman done. If the Cubs were able to get all ten of their guys signed for $6.9 million? Yeah, then maybe that extra nearly $400 K would make a difference. But considering the Cubs have at least a couple overslot guys in the Top 10 rounds, including their number 1 pick, that’s highly unlikely.

              • Dumpgobbler

                Yes, but what im saying is were screwed if we give Almora 5mil. We can agree that a lot of the guys we took 1-10 are underslots correct? Well, we forfeit the 3.25, but we sign all of our guys and save maybe 700 or something hypothetically. We can offer that to Wiseman.

                In your scenario your saying Almora is signing at slot, which would be great and make my whole point moot. In mine he wants 1.75 over. Dont you agree 1.75 over basically screws us out of 1 and maybe 2 of our high arms we like?

                I just have a feeling that Wiseman is an insurance policy in case Almoras demands are too high.

                • Noah

                  Might we lose out on one or two of our high ceiling arms because we overpay Almora? Of course. Is Almora a vastly better prospect than anyone else we drafted, including Wiseman? Yes.

                  With that said, i don’t think it will take $5 million. I think it’ll end up being high 3s, low 4s.

                  • Dumpgobbler

                    All valid opinions for sure. But for me, I’d take Wiseman, all the arms and the 7th pick next year as opposed to losing Wiseman and a hgih arm or two.

                    It could all be very moot because he could / should sign for 3.25 IMHO.

  • Joe

    Brett. Is Blake Hickman a pitcher or a catcher? The video of Blake Hickman shows him pitching. What gives?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Lots of amateur players play two way, but teams are only interested in them in one capacity or the other.  That video just happens to be the only one of him we have right now.

      • Joe

        Thanks Luke.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      He’s both, like Luke said. He’s listed above how he was “announced.”

      • Joe

        Thanks Brett. I guess my question then, is are the Cubs interested in him as a pitcher or catcher?

  • Leroy K.

    How much you think Wiseman wants, that he doesn’t think teams can pay? (If this was asked earlier, I apologize)

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Probably something in the seven digits.  That would all but have required him being drafted on the first day of the draft.

      • Joe

        How was this a good pick then?(I’m scratching my head on this one)

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          No one thinks he’ll sign, but he still might.  After all, the Cubs could probably offer him up to half a million, and that is still a nice sized chunk of cash.

          If he does sign the Cubs get a good prospect.  If he doesn’t the Cubs don’t lose anything (unlike if they had taken him in the first ten rounds).

          For the Cubs, there is no downside.  It’s a slim chance, but it can’t hurt them.

          • MaxM1908

            Can the Cubs really produce $400,000 from our underslot picks given an overslot signing of Almora? No Almora, I could maybe see it. But I think if Almora gets 5 million, that 2.9 million remaining is going to be hard to stretch, even across underslot picks.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Sure.  Don’t forget they can go over their budget by 5% as well.  It’s doable.

              Not likely, I grant you, but doable.

              • Noah

                Luke, do you think teams that have spent on the draft in the future are looking at their actual budget as the slot amount they’re given, or as that plus 4.99%? Considering the Cubs can only spend just under $400K more than they’re amount, the tax would only be $300K. I mean, that’s lower than the top individual federal income tax rate during the Eisenhower years!

                • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                  I think traditional big-spending organizations (the Cubs are now among them) will absolutely budget for +4.99%.

                • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                  I think 29 teams see their budget as slot+4.999%.  The White Sox see their budget as “as little as we can possibly get away with, minus 10%”.

                  I also suspect that some teams who expect to be in the back of the first round next year may be willing to go up to +10% for the right mix of players and give up next year’s first round pick.  It’d be a risky move, and don’t ask me to name teams who might consider based on who they’ve drafted right now, but I think it is possible.

                • MaxM1908

                  I can’t imagine the tax penalty would deter any team from signing everyone they want to sign. Once you get into the loss of draft pick, though, I’m sure every GM will start making tough choices.

                  • hansman1982

                    Do teams still lose their first round pick for a “qualifying offer” player?

  • Cubs Dude

    Goldstein was on the score and said the Cubs almost certainly know what Almora was wanting before they drafted him, and that number starts with a 4. Looks like most of the underslot money is gonna have to go towards Almora, but at least the Cubs knew it. I say the Cubs play hard ball with him. He said a lot of teams drafted seniors the last few rounds before the 10th. Apparently the Blue Jays drafted all college seniors rounds 5 thru 10 to way under pay them. This new system is a complete f’ing joke.

  • http://bleachernation.com lou brock lives

    Are contracts like Samardzija signed obsolete now ? Cubs signed him for 5 years at $10 million coming out of ND. Why can’t we do the same with Almora? Sign him to a ML contract for 5 years at ” x ” amount & have money left for other draftees.

    • Noah

      They’re prohibited by the new CBA.

    • Cubbie Blues

      You can’t sign them to a ML contract anymore.

  • Kevin

    So I understand this correctly, the Cubs can pay $100K per player for rounds 11-40 without being penalized, Or can they apply any unused Bonus money from rounds 1-10 to make their offer more desirable?

    • MaxM1908

      They can go over the 100K cap in 11-40, however the overage is applied to their 1-10 cap. So, if they sign Wiseman for $1 million, $900,000 is applied against their 7.9 million cap for rounds 1-10. IF they go over that cap, they start accruing penalties.

      • Dumpgobbler

        Ahh thanks. So lets say hypothetically they dont sign Almora and sign everyone else and have 1m left over from 1-10. We can offer Wiseman that 1million without penalties correct?

    • Noah

      Correct on both counts.

      Here’s the way to look at it: The Cubs cap is completely unaffected by what they spend on players rounds 11-40, as long as they spend less than $100K per player. However, if after dealing with their players in the first 10 rounds the Cubs still have cap money left over, they can apply that to players in rounds 11-40 to go above that $100 K.

  • North Side Irish

    I don’t think there’s much of a chance they sign Wiseman, as nice as that would be. He was supposedly looking for Top 100 pick type money and the Cubs won’t be able to save enough to allocate that for him.

    There is no shot of signing Almora for under slot and he may even want over, which would really hurt. That could mean losing someone like Underwood or even multiple picks from the middle rounds. If the Cubs were able to get Almora under slot they could have spread those savings around to players like Wiseman, but they knew what they were getting into when they drafted him. No chance they are getting a Boras guy for under.

    This is how the Astros decided to take Correa at 1.1…he was a legit top talent who would sign for less than slot. He’s going to make more than he would’ve being drafted #3 or 4 and the team has money to spend elsewhere. That’s how Astros were able to take a shot on guys like McCullers and Virant. If they take Appel, they don’t get either of those two.

    I would’ve loved for the Cubs to be able to do something like that. Maybe next year when its their turn to draft 1.1!

    • MaxM1908

      See, I’m think the Rhett Wiseman draft is a dance with Boras. They’re sending a message to Boras that if Almora wants too much, the Cubs will scuttle him and take Wiseman instead (granted, at a loss of 3.25 million spending cap). They don’t have a realistic shot of signing both, but they could dangle Wiseman as an alternative plan if Boras starts playing games.

      • Noah

        I don’t see how that works, though. The Cubs’ supplemental picks will want at least very close to slot, same with the guys in at least rounds 2-4. I don’t see where the money would come from.

        • MaxM1908

          I think the Cubs’ 4-10 picks were underslot guys. If we don’t sign Almora, we’ll have 4.65 million left to spend among the remaining slots. I think its plausible (and all they really have to do is convince Almora and Boras that its plausible) that they can generate enough under-slot slack to sign Wiseman.

          • Noah

            But Underwood is also probably going to be overslot. And Blackburn could be as well. And the slot values in round 4-10 aren’t that much. The Cubs’ 4th rounder has a slot value of $343,000. All tenth rounders have a slot value of $125,000. You’re just trying to save $100,000 here, $40,000 there, etc., and hope it adds up.

            • MaxM1908

              Agreed. My theory loses a lot of weight under the CBA rule of forfeiture of slot amount.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              I’m not convinced the injured pitchers the Cubs drafted will demand anything significantly over slot.  I could be wrong, but I strongly suspect they’ll sign for right about slot.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        If I’m Boras, I call the Cubs’ bluff.  The money doesn’t work for that scheme and I’m sure Boras knows it.

        • MaxM1908

          You’re probably right. This whole CBA would be FAR more interesting if you didn’t have to forfeit the slot amount by not signing a guy.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

            But it would also be WAY too easy to game.

            • hansman1982

              Noone wants that. God forbid teams spend the money the way they see fit.

              Oh how nice it would be if the slotting system went away ENTIRELY!

              • DocPeterWimsey

                “God forbid teams spend the money the way they see fit.”

                Hmmm, a quick search of 211 religions finds that none of them consider Reinsdorf a god, demi-god or even vaguely heroic.

                • hardtop

                  exactly right doc.  the only person that worships reinsdorf, apparently, is bud selig.

                  what a couple of sleezeballs

                  • DocPeterWimsey

                    On that note, Boras has invoked all 211 religions in question in his attempt to find some god, devil or Red Priestess to smite those two.  Hopefully the goat entrails won’t be too smelly come negotiations…..

            • Cheryl

              But the cubs may think they could get a better pick next year. With the way they’re playing would they have two slots in the first ten picks, assuming Almora doesn’t sign? That sends Boras a message and if Almora has a full ride it doesn’t really hurt him. Boras may not have the leverage he thinks he has. Or, am I figuring this wrong?

              • MaxM1908

                That’s true, but there’s the old saying of a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I think a more important point to remember is that Boras’s commission of 0 is 0. He has an incentive to make a deal happen even if it is not ideal for his client.

                • Cheryl

                  He does have an incentive, but if he pushes too hard the cubs have a way out. He has already lost some clout with Appel. He can’t afford to lose out here too, unless his ego takes over and he tries for the moon.

                • DocPeterWimsey

                  Boras also has incentive to think over the long term.  Basically, the agents will need to push back against this system.  The question is, immediately or after a couple of years?  Tactically, it might be best to do it now in order to sabotage the system (or at least attempt to do so) quickly before it becomes “tradition.”

        • hansman1982

          Isn’t the money slotted for rounds 1-10 unspendable after the 10th round?

          • MaxM1908

            The underslot difference is spendable. You can’t refuse to sign a player expecting to use their slot amount for an 11-40 draftee, but if you sign them for underslot, you can use the difference on a later round signing.

          • Noah

            You can spend anything you have left over after you’ve signed your picks from the Top 10 rounds. So if you sign everyone and end up at $500K below slot, you can use that to offer bigger bonuses to a player (or players) you pick in rounds 11-40.

  • Noah

    It’s easier to pick someone underslot when you are 1.1, because your slot value is so much higher. Almora will get done, and most of the 6-10 guys should be able to be signed under slot.

  • Tim Mo

    Listening to MLB radio on Sirius, they were saying Tigers need to send Jacob Turner to the Cubs for Garza and Lahair. I’m sure their would be more to the trade but of course Turner would be the centerpiece. Not sure who else the Cubs would ask for but the Tigers might be getting desperate.

    • Cubs Dude

      What would the Tigers do with LaHair? They already have a cluster at first base/dh. Turner has not been good this year either. And Victor Martinez will be back mid summer.

      • Tim Mo

        They were just discussing what the TIgers need to do to right the ship. They actually said Garza, LaHair, and Barney for Turner and Castellanos. Tigers need help in the corner OF position big time This is all just talk, interesting to listen to.

        • Cubs Dude

          I gotcha. I would do Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Vitters in a heart beat. I do think LaHair would have good value to teams like the Indiana and Orioles, but don’t see it with the Tigers.

    • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

      Turner for Garza? Need a kicker for the Cubs I think.Turner has been hurt a few times recently as well (red flag). Maybe Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Vitters and Russell?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        Turner’s stock is down right now.  I don’t think the Cubs would do that deal.  Detroit would have to offer more if they want Vitters and Russell back as well.

        • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

          Luke, in your mind, are Toronto and the Red Sox the best fits for talent then?

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            For Garza, I think Toronto fits better than Detroit, and Boston worse than either unless they put Middlebrooks in the deal.

  • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

    Personally, if Almora wants over slot, i would let him walk. There´s no sense paying extra taxes or loosing a future draft pick for a dime a dozen top prospect.

    -Cubs downside: We loose the 3,25 MM but can sign the other guys (who have very solid up side as well) for slot as to not piss them off. Get the # 7 pick in next years draft class which is supposed to be stronger anyway.

    -Almora´s options:
    1) Take slot (cubs´ offer) or
    2) Play at Miami for there years and reenter.
    His upside is 5 picks higher (#1 overall) and downside if something happens is quase unlimited.

    • MaxM1908

      Well, we could sign him for overslot and not incur taxes or penalties. It’s probably that some of our other 10-round picks will sign for enough underslot to generate Almora’s over slot difference. I’m sure the beancounters in the front office have enough contingency plans in place to sign Almora up to around 5 million.

      • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

        Max, understand your point but I think in a kind of game theory, the Cubs have the upper hand. Guess I just don´t see WHY the Cubs would pay overslot even if they could. That was my point.

    • Noah

      And that is why you are not a Major League GM. The top ceiling talents in a draft, especially on the offensive side of the ball, are nearly always players coming straight from high school. You would just end up in the same situation year after year after year. And the team would suffer for it, because eventually you’d have to take guys with lower ceilings.

      • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

        Why couldn´t we just find a player to sign for slot or under (i.e. Carlos Correia)?

        Seems logical and more or less the point of the sistem to me.

        • Dumpgobbler

          Yea. To me it seems like the player has very little leverage anyways. I would literally tell Almora “The league values this pick at 3.25, we do as well. Take it or leave it.”

        • Noah

          Because that player would not be as good of a prospect as Almora. And if Correa was the Cubs’ pick, he probably would’ve wanted above the Cubs’ $3.25 million slot value as well.

          • TakingWrigleyToSãoPaulo

            Noah using your logic then at what pick does the player decide to take the slot? Not every player can expect to get overslot and get it, there´s just not enought money to go around. In the end, it´s more or less a question of leverage right? And in this situation, I beleive, the Cubs have the leverage.

            • Noah

              It’s a matter of value. Clearly, if you think a player is worth $400,000 and that’s slot value and he’s asking for $1.2 million, you let him walk. But a player’s value is not in fact determined by his slot. That’s just one factor in his value. The Cubs did a ton of homework on Almora. If he won’t sign for slot (and all indications are that he won’t), the Cubs knew that long before they drafted him and put that into their valuation of Almora.

  • calicubsfan007

    That would be awesome if we got Wiseman!!! With Almora and Soler possibly joining the Cubs, I would have to say that the Cubs minor league system has done a complete 180 overnight by (possibly) having three or four can’t miss prospects in the outfield. I love drafts, so much positive vibe.

  • Vitters for 2012!

    Hey brett and luke lets say the cubs sign all of their draft picks so far, and based on this years current prospects performing what would the cubs top 20 prospects look like?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Almora goes into the Top 4.

      Piece, Blackburn, and Underwood would all be candidates to land somewhere in the 12 – 40 range.  Wiseman would likely be in that mix as well.

      And beyond that I wouldn’t want to say quite yet.

      Edit: Stick McNeil and Conway in that 12-40 group too.  And maybe Hoffner.

    • calicubsfan007

      All I have heard was that Almora could possibly leapfrog over Jackson for the number 2 spot behind Rizzo. Otherwise, I agree with Luke’s general rankings of the other prospects.

      • Noah

        Baez may have already leapfrogged Jackson, and I doubt anyone would put Almora ahead of Baez. I’d say Almora could either be at 3 or 4, depending on if you think he can jump Jackson and if you put Jackson or Baez at 2. So it could be (1) Rizzo, Jackson, Baez, Almora; (2) Rizzo, Baez, Jackson, Almora; or (3) Rizzo, Baez, Almora, Jackson.

        I’d probably do number 2.

        • calicubsfan007

          Wow, Jacksons falling out of favor quickly. He needs to be amazing in AAA this year, or he could fall even more. Good list Noah, I am leaning to number 3 though.

          • Noah

            Unless Jackson can start making more contact, his ceiling isn’t high enough anymore.

        • Vitters for 2012!

          i remembered reading somewhere some person like keith law(not sure) said almora would be ahead of baez in one of bretts posts

          • North Side Irish

            I saw multiple people say Correa would be ahead of Baez…back when we thought he might be an option at #6. I’m curious to see how Almora would fit into the rankings though.

        • North Side Irish

          I think it’s #3 and I think there would be a gap between the two. Almora’s upside is Jackson without the contact issues and better defense. I like Jackson a ton, but he’s going to hit .250 – .270 most likely and Almora has a chance to be 30 or 40 points higher than that.

          • Can’t think of a cool name

            I think Baez stays at 2. He plays a premium position (right now) and has power potential that Almora does not have.

            • chirogerg

              actually, Almora’s power potential is very high. One blog I read projected him at .290 with 27 homers a year

        • Kyle

          On the contrary, I think most people would put Almora over Baez. It’d be very, very close though. It depends on whether you prefer upside or polish, although both have plenty of each.

          • Noah

            I agree they’re close, but I generally give the edge to the guy with successful pro experience if it’s very close like that.

            • Kyle

              13 games of pro experience. Not exactly something to tip the scales over.

              • Noah

                I count the extended spring training experience as well, where Baez excelled.

        • Kyle

          Rizzo, Almora, Baez, Jackson

      • Drew7

        Call me conservative, and I love the pick, but I’m gonna give the guy (Jackson) with a career minor-league OPS of .877 the edge here until I see Almora play some pro ball.

  • Joker

    Forget record companies being shady – this new cap scheme is the new definition of super shady.

    • hardtop

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      • Myles

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  • Joepoe123

    i would go
    1. Rizzo
    2. Almora
    3.Baez(if we get solar put him here move everyone else down 1)
    4.Jackson
    5.Sczcur
    6.Mcnutt
    7.vitters
    8.LAke
    9.Golden
    10.Pierce JOhnson
    11.Vogelbach
    12.Wiseman
    13. Dwayne underwood
    14. Whitenack
    15. Ronald torreyes
    16. Concepcion
    17. Acalantara
    18. Blackburn
    19.Gioskar amaya
    20.Tony Zych

    • calicubsfan007

      Where would you put soler if we sign him?

  • Vitters for 2012!

    It seems like the cubs are restocking catchers and outfielders for sure one of soto castillo are traded and 1 of Dejesus and soriano are traded

  • Austin

    seems like a lot of HS player are starting to go. Maybe attempts on teams trying get good players that they could sign if they have enough money left over after 1-10 picks.

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