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As I suspected, Jorge Soler’s agents weren’t going to be content to simply say to interested teams, “Make us your best offer, and we’ll just take the best one.” It’s never that simple.

Instead, it appears that they want to go back to the well, and ask teams to up their bids (including theoretically asking the already-high-bidder to up its bid (bidding against itself)). From Buster Olney:

The representatives for Jorge Soler have said the next round of bids for the Cuban free-agent outfielder needs to happen this weekend, according to sources.

Soler’s agents Barry Praver and Scott Shapiro had given clubs a deadline of June 7 to submit sealed bids. It was not initially clear if the agents have narrowed the field for this next bidding process.

The Chicago Cubs, New York Yankees, Atlanta Braves and Los Angeles Dodgers all have been aggressive in pursuit of the 19-year-old, sources say.

The Cubs have invested the most time in getting to know Soler, but the Dodgers might be a wild card because of the team’s new ownership and commitment to the international market, according to sources.

Ah, the Dodgers. For a while now, folks have been asking me whether I thought the delay put the Cubs in a worse position than they were a few months ago. My gut answer has been to say something like, “it would have been nice to lock him down back when the Cubs seemed to be the most heavily involved, but even back then, teams knew what it was going to cost, so I’m not sure why a few months of waiting would make teams suddenly more interested.”

But I hadn’t thought about the Dodgers. That few months makes a world of difference to them. Why? Because they’ve since been taken over by a new and aggressive ownership group. They’ve got money to burn, and this will be their first chance to show everyone they’re serious.

Will they go balls out on Soler? Hard to say. They haven’t been connected to him in the past and they haven’t – according to any report I’ve seen – been doing the legwork on the personal relationship for months like the Cubs (and presumably other teams) have. So, if they want to sign him, they’ll probably have to blow other offers away … something they’re certainly capable of doing.

I can’t help but wonder, though, if the public relations side of things militates more in favor of the Cubs going nuts than the Dodgers. Yes, the Dodgers new ownership group would like to announce itself to the baseball world and make a splash for a fan base that has been brutalized by its previous owner. And, yes, the Dodgers would undoubtedly like to acquire a player like Jorge Soler. But, the thing is, most Dodgers fans don’t even know who Jorge Soler is. Flip around a few Dodgers blogs and message boards, and you get the sense that they’re just now hearing of this kid, and they think, “sure, why not sign him if he’s good?” Those fans have bigger fish to fry right now; namely, they’ve got a pennant race to watch.

The Cubs, on the other hand, are suffering through an abysmal season, and went through an offseason that, while productive, lacked any real sex appeal. They’ve got a fan base that has been rabidly salivating at the thought of Soler for half a year. Don’t mistake me: I’m not saying the PR is *the* reason for the signing. I’m simply saying that, when comparing the Dodgers and the Cubs’ PR reasons for making a crazy huge offer, the scale certainly tips in favor of the Cubs.

(A couple of small, Soler bits that are parenthetical-worthy: (1) Peter Gammons was apparently on the radio saying he thinks Soler signs with the Cubs (shrug); and (2) Jerry Crasnick says he looked into the whole Soler-Haitian-residency-documents thing, and concluded that it was a non-story (good).)

  • ColoCubFan

    This is Theo’s last chance to aquire amateur talent with an open checkbook. It’s now or never! Put up or shut up!

  • Leroy K.

    Let’s go Cubbies…For some reason (Can’t figure out why) I really want this deal done!!!

  • DocPeterWimsey

    I agree that Dodgers fans do not know who Soler is per se, any more than Cubs fans do.  (Posters here are NOT representative of Cub Nation!)  However, Dodger fans do hear repeatedly about the franchise’s storied history of developing players.  The beloved 1970’s team had a lot of home grown guys, and really it goes back to Jackie Robinson: even though they were in NY, it was the Dodgers who signed him to a minor league contract.  It is a common belief that the Dodgers stopped winning because they got away from that.  (It does not add up: the Dodgers last won a pennant in 1988, but they had a string of several Rookies of the Year in the 1990’s that didn’t amount to too much.)

    Now, maybe I’m just being paranoid, but I can see this as being a good spin for Dodgers fans: they are getting back to signing young players instead of free agents.

  • djriz

    Is it just me, or are Agents (‘advisors’) getting sleazier?

    Bids by June 7th. (they dont like them?)
    Bids by this weekend (or WHAT if they dont like them?)

    Horse-hockey!

    Or (I hope), they are doing a kabuke theatre thing, and he’ll sign the original deal (wink, wink) he had with the Cubs.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      It is the July 2nd deadline that they are trying to beat.  They must think that this sort of bidding tourney will be speedier than negotiations with multiple teams.

  • Assman22

    Still hearing Soler will sign by the end of next week.  “Second round” is very likely “Final Round”….

    • Rylee

      First time poster here guys..I still believe that the cubs end up getting Soler especially when you look at Theo’s track record when he was in Boston. He wanted Crawford and A Gonz and he got them, besides losing out on Cespedes, I believe that Soler is the better prospect. If FO can sign Soler, the Farm System looks pretty darn good.

  • http://bleachernation.com DL HUYCK

    Im thinking 30 mil gets it done. We were willing to go 27.5 a few months ago, so go for it. Bring on Soler!

  • North Side Irish

    I think the longer this drags out, the price will go up. Everyone knows the report of the Cubs $27M offer, so I think most teams are assuming they will need to bid $30M+. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up beating Cespedes money, albeit over more years.

    Crazy as it sounds, I think the Cubs need to blow everyone out of the water with a $40M offer. That gets the agent attention and shows they are serious…plus it sounds like the front office has developed a good relationship with Soler during the process.

    I really want the Cubs to sign him, but I think this is going to take a lot more money that we all first thought.

    • Ron

      I like the kid to, but not at any cost. Think of it this way, is he really better than Almora or any of the other kids drafted? The track record of Cuban defectors is pretty mixed. I just don’t think anybody goes over 30 mil.

      • Joe

        You and I both know there’s always one team that’s willing to do the “outrageous.” Could it be the Cubs, just because Theo might feel the need to do something big. I just hope if the FO makes the big splash, they really have kicked the tires a few times, raised the hood a few times, and checked for any signs of rust!

        • Ogyu

          For 30-million-plus, we should also get a bad-ass stereo system! Oh! … And a GPS! … Dude is sometimes hard to locate…

        • Ron

          My point is, going outrageous is bad business. I love making a splash but this kid is so far from tested. It is ok to get out bid every once in a while.

      • djriz

        Most scouting reports have his ceiling higher than Almora, so that’s pretty impressive.

        Plus he would be a top 100 prospect and I need that. (I made a bet with a friend. Cubs in top 100 prospects as of Dec 1, 2012. He took under 5, I took over 5). I want to win that bet!

        I don’t know stats on Cubans signed vs. succeeding, so I’m not questioning your opinion, but it could be a higher success rate than HS draftees.

        • Ron

          You are probably right on the Cuban success rate being higher than the High School draft, didn’t think of it that way. I was purely looking at it from a cost to production rate, which I will readily admit us very hard to do.

      • Kyle

        The difference between the draft and an IFA is a very important one. In the draft, the owners have set up a cartel where each player is only allowed to deal with one team, take it or leave it.

        That artificially drives down prices. If Almora were on the open market, $30 million might very well be in his price range.

  • TakingWrigleyToSaoPaulo

    Any one of our top 6 picks sign yet? Theo’s got quite a lid on this thing.

    • nkniacc

      Not that has been reported

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    an chance for a big win… in a season that isnt going to have many!

  • gutshot5820

    How much is too much for Solar? 30M with the 50% chance of bust-out rate is the equivalent of paying him 60M for 6 yrs. Plus factor in that he may not reach his ceiling and only become an average player adds more risk. 60M will pay for a pretty good outfielder in the MLB.

    • Kyle

      $10 million a year won’t get you *that* good of an outfielder. Maybe a little better than DeJesus, but nothing special.

  • Sparks

    I have a stupid question: Is the Baseball draft, especially with the new required “slots” legal? It seems to me that this violates the anti-trust laws. I don’t think MLB is exempt from those laws, are they?

    • nkniacc

      well it was agreed to by the MLBPA as well so

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Yes, it (probably) violates anti-trust laws, but baseball has an exemption from anti-trust laws.  Many people have argued that the draft violates anti-trust laws in the first place, and I think that a lot of agents would dearly love to get this dragged before the Supreme Court some day.

      What will happen this year will be interesting.  Jason Stark reports that the consensus is that Appel will not sign with the Pirates.  The Pirates might go a little over slot in their offer, but they think that Appel & Boras will stick to their demands that exceed the Pirates entire slot assignments!  However, it reads as if Appel is going to be the test case: Almora’s name does not come up in those essays.

  • gutshot5820

    That’s debateable, certainly not an all-star but an above average outfielder for sure. My point is that there should be a limit that teams will go on the bidding for Solar, where they will say the money will be better spent elsewhere. 30M seems like the top and and anything too much above that and it will be hard to justify.

  • Sparks

    The “kids” drafted are not (yet) members of the MLBPA.

  • Sparks

    I did not realize that MLB had an exemption from anti-trust laws. I thought football did, but not baseball. I don’t know why I thought they were different. Thanks, Doc for letting me know.
    I wonder if Almora will sign. I’m not as confident as some. Do you mean that Boras and Appel will take it to the Courts?

    • DocPeterWimsey

      No, I don’t think that Boras is going to take this to the courts.  There was muttering about doing this sort of thing 10 years ago, but nothing came of it.  What he is no doubt trying to do is fine some loophole in this agreement that he can exploit.  That will take time and perhaps a failed signing or two.  Appel is going to be the most obvious case, as he clearly fell simply because of signing issues.  Almora got drafted where everyone expected him to get drafted: it probably would behoove Boras to appear “reasonable” in this case as his qualm all along was that players would wind up drafted too low because of the new system.  (They did under the old system, too…)

      • gutshot5820

        What loophole is to be found? This is a capped draft, that is all. The only leverage Boras will have is he finds a once in a generation player and forces the team that drafs him to overpay and lose future picks. Otherwise, you sign or move on. I think it’s apparent with Appel and Gio, both will be offered slot and if they don’t sign, then it seems both clubs are prepared to move on. It will be interesting for sure.

      • cubchymyst

        If Appel refuses to be drafted, I assume at some point he becomes a free agent. Does anyone know what is the time frame for that? If Appel sat out for a year, would a bidding war ensue for him?

        • nkniacc

          he could go back to stanford and get drafted again next year.

          • cubchymyst

            I meant if after next year he also refuses to sign, can he pitch in an Independent league for a year then sign to the highest bidder.

  • Poopypants McGee

    Yea…..and Mike Lowell is being traded to us as we speak.

  • Mak

    Baseball’s exemption from anti trust laws is one of the most interesting sports law cases on the books. Coincidentally, the 90th anneversary of the case was last week. Read on… http://sports-law.blogspot.com/2012/05/today-in-sports-law-history.html

  • Sparks

    Thanks all, this is really interesting.

  • nkniacc

    Be interesting to see how the Cubs announce signings because if your Boras and the Cubs sign their top 10 rds except for Almora then you have a pretty good idea exactly what they Cubs have left in terms of bonus pool money to use

    • gutshot5820

      Considering all the previous picks are signing for underslot or at the recommended figure. Theoyer would look foolish if they were the only team to pay overslot.

  • Michael

    The Cubs are so bad, if they signed him, they should put him in RF immediately. They wouldn’t, of course, but it’s at that point where we can’t get worse. Keep this in mind: 43-119. That’s the 2003 Tigers record. I say the Cubs win 39 this year.

  • jason

    Just imagine this lineup
    C- Castillo
    1B- Rizzo
    2B- Barney
    3B- Baez
    SS- Castro
    LF- Almora
    CF- Jackson
    RF- Soler

    • Joe

      I like it! But I’m not convinced Barney will be there.

    • Cooper R

      I’d be happy with 2 of Rizzo, Baez, Almora, Jackson, Soler getting close to their potential. Doubtful they all are ever in the same lineup together.

      • Joe

        Why do you say that? It’s very possible!

        • Cooper R

          Well, for one, Soler isn’t even on our team yet and if we’re being realistic most prospects don’t materialize. But it is fun to dream up a lineup that includes all of them since we don’t have much going for us lately. In about 4-5 years when Almora will be ready Jax will be about 27-28…who knows what his career will look like then.

          • Joe

            That’s the whole idea! Keep them comming in! Do you need Jap slapped?(LOL)

            • Cooper R

              No idea what that means but hopefully we can flip Soriano, Garza, Dempster, LaHair to bring in more prospects and put a competitive squad on the field in about 2 or 3 years

            • MichiganGoat

              You didn’t just use that as an insult. It’s racist and completely immature. Way to be classy and professional on here. Time for you to say good bye!

              • Joe

                Just apptitude prepared?(Jap) didn’t mean to offend! Very sorry! Did not mean to insult. Holy crap!

                • MichiganGoat

                  Nice trying to cover up a racial slur with an acronym, I’m sure you could come up with something to excuse the N word as well. Good night your ignorance is not worth anyone’s time.

                  • Cooper R

                    I mean using a racial slur to a white dude like me doesn’t mean anything. But let’s just avoid anything that may be controversial.

                    • Njriv

                      and plus the facts that there are two Joes! One of you shoild change your handle. It has nothing to do with this but just putting it out there.

                  • Joe

                    Michan goat, what do you have against me? I don’t understand. Honestly.

                    • calicubsfan007

                      Joe, while I might not agree with everything you are saying, I don’t really see the “insult” that you are being accused of saying. Maybe its because I am out of the loop with insults and whatnot, but I just don’t see how that was racist. If someone can tell me how that was racist, I’m here, let me know. I am not debating anyone on this, I am genuinely curious because I honestly don’t see it.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      I have no respect for someone that thinks using a racial slur is a LOL, no respect for the previous names you’ve posted as on here, and you can’t spell Michigan. Adieu

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Heres on very clear reference and a quick google search will give you more information.

                      http://m.urbandictionary.com/#define?term=jap%20slap

                  • Joe

                    Michan Goat, I don’t what to tell you. I use acronyms all the time just like everyone else. One of my favorites is BOBBER! In your mind your probably thinking something else. Here’s what I teach: Be Opportunistic, Better, Broadshouldered, Earnest,Respected! As you can see, I think you are way off base here! I think you need to opologize quite frankly.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      The fact you used the term plus the word “slap” tells everyone, everything. You need to apologize! And with that you will never hear from me again. Oh learn to spell Michigan.

      • jason

        how can you say that when thats kinda the goal here

  • nkniacc

    My guess is jackson and Almora would be switched. But the Cubs still would need a pitching staff. If thats the lineI hoe ake and Vitters are traded for Pitching

    • jason

      two starters i can possibly see are samardzija and mcnutt but as far as bullpen goes no one can know a bullpen 4 years down the road

  • calicubsfan007

    Brett, this needs to stop. The fact that it seems like as if a ton of people are ripping each other apart is getting ridiculous. Again, I know that there is emotion when it comes to these things and I really don’t mind the swearing at all. What I mind is that there are people on here who are attcking each other’s character, rather than sticking to the facts. Please Brett, I want to continue going on this site and posting, but I don’t want to worry about what my kids will be reading on some of these comments. This is setting a horrible example, please guys, we are all on the same team here. Knock off the bullying, the rude insults (the playful ones are funny), and the attacks of character.

    • Cooper R

      C’mon man don’t ask Brett to babysit. I think we can all handle ourselves, people just need to remember to not cross the line. All I wanted to do was talk about the Cubs.

      • calicubsfan007

        I just want to talk about the Cubs too. But this is getting ridiculous. I don’t want Brett to babysit, but I also don’t people to be afraid to post because of the fear of what responses might be. This crap keeps happening. It isnt letting up, it really seems like the only way to have people knock it off is by having punishments or something like that. Again, I am not trying to nark or anything like that.

      • MichiganGoat

        Speaking of the Cubs it is nice to see Sori hitting with authority.

        • calicubsfan007

          I think hades is freezing over, based on how weird it is to have Sori actually hit the ball well. Chicago was called the Windy City because of Soriano’s whiffs.

    • MichiganGoat

      I agree and will stop with this, but the slur Joe used is unnecessary- but I’m done responding anymore to him.

      • Cooper R

        What kind of return do you think we could get for him if we eat most his contract? A teams top 10 prospect?

        • calicubsfan007

          More like a top 20, I think. And a low level guy too. Seems more likely.

          • MichiganGoat

            I think that might be too high, at best we’ll get another teams scrap or high upside low grade prospect.

            • Cooper R

              If that’s the case then what’s the big rush to trade him while he’s hot? To free up left for LaHair?

              • calicubsfan007

                That sounds right, so we can bring up Rizzo without as much position conflict. But I do agree with whoever said that there is a strategy with keeping Rizzo down in AAA right now. It is a brilliant idea to keep him down so we can have control of him longer.

                • Cooper R

                  Agreed, but in that case I’m missing why it’s important to get rid of Soriano at all. We’re paying for his contract regardless if we keep him, trade him, or release him so what’s the advantage of us even shopping him?

                  • MichiganGoat

                    I think it’s more about opening up LF for someone else (LaHair, Jackson, FA) he’s just dead weight and is very streaky to count on.

                    • calicubsfan007

                      I agree. The Cubs are rebuilding with younger players. Soriano is no longer considered young. And I think he goes against a lot of Sabermeteric rules, which might aggravate James’ disciples like Theo.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      I really don’t expect him to be a Cub next year even if it means we completely cut him

                    • calicubsfan007

                      Seems like a waste of money though. I would like something in return, even if it is some salary relief. I wouldn’t want to just cut him.

        • MichiganGoat

          No we won’t get much of anything. Maybe 3M of his salary and a B-level prospect. There is no contending team that needs a DH right now and everyone knows we want to dump him.

          • calicubsfan007

            Twins maybe? What about the Angels? Yankees (that one’s a joke)?

            • MichiganGoat

              Twins aren’t contending and don’t want a aging player as they rebuilding. Angels have plenty of bats.

              • calicubsfan007

                I honestly can’t think of any teams (Red Sox maybe?), I am just trying to think of a team that isn’t doing well and needs another bat (regardless of age). I am tired, my baseball brain is off.

                • MichiganGoat

                  Yanks might be the only place that is contending and could use a power bat. Red Sox have Ortiz and everyone else doesn’t need a poor fielder that can’t run unless they are desperate for a DH.

                  • Cooper R

                    And they were shopping their older power hitter (Youk) so I doubt they’d want Sori

                    • calicubsfan007

                      What about a swap between Youk and Sori? I know it sounds crazy, but it seems more likely than a lot of other places. Red Sox seem willing to trade with Theo in just about every opportunity, like the Padres are. I don’t know, Yankees just don’t seem to make any sense due to the fact that last time they pretty much begged him to leave asap as they didn’t really seem to try and keep him.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Youk for Sori has been mentioned around the Internet but I don’t see it being a move that helps the Cubs, maybe a three way deal is the solution.

                    • calicubsfan007

                      The guy I really want from the Sox is Middlebrooks. I see him being traded sooner than Youk. Because Youk has really no value right now, while Middlebrooks does. I have heard rumors that the Cubs might trade Garza to the Sox for Middlebrooks.

      • calicubsfan007

        Thanks for the link, based on what I saw, that is pretty racist sounding.

        • MichiganGoat

          Yeah it quite insulting to the Asian community.

          • calicubsfan007

            I am boring with my insults. I don’t use racial insults. Doesn’t seem like the right thing to do.

            • MichiganGoat

              Never is and never should be. Ignorance is never an excuse.

              • calicubsfan007

                Thought you might like this quote:
                “True wisdom is less presuming than folly. The wise man doubteth often, and changeth his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubteth not; he knoweth all things but his own ignorance.” Akhenaton

                http://www.quoteworld.org/categories/ignorance

                • MichiganGoat

                  Nice I’m going to use that as the writing prompt for my students Monday

                  • calicubsfan007

                    What grade do you teach?

                    • MichiganGoat

                      9-12 great fun, currently doing summer school

                    • calicubsfan007

                      Aw… Hopefully not a morning class!!! LOL Teenagers’ (including when I was one) minds are so turned off in the morning. A quote like that has a chance to either wake the kids’ mind up or turn it into mush. If I was given this quote in the morning, mine would turn into mush!!! But great respect for anyone willing to teach, we are short good teachers in the US. Glad you are having fun, no sense in teaching if you arent having fun.

                    • Joe

                      Ya, what grade do you teach Michigan Goat? A writing prompt for whom?

                    • calicubsfan007

                      9-12 and he’s teaching summer school right now.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I kind of feel like you guys talked this one out…

      But, obviously – and it goes without saying for the billionth time – racially-insensitive comments are all kinds of not OK. If it happens again, that’s the end of the line.

  • Joe

    Michigan Goat–i use the term Jap slap with my kids all the time. They know what it means!(Just apptitude prepared(Jap) or you’re gonna get a slap on the ass if you are not prepared for the test) I really think we come from different backgrounds and that is the problem. I have no idea what you are talking about.

    • calicubsfan007

      Joe, look up the link Michigan posted to me. I am sure you didn’t mean anything by it, just check it out. It might help prevent future situations like this.

      • Joe

        O.K. Where? I am all ears! I’m not the guy he thinks I am.

        • calicubsfan007

          Here it is, I didn’t know the meaning until I saw this, it might be helpful.
          http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jap%20Slap

        • calicubsfan007

          I heard that some people thought that you were the “die hard” guy or something like that. I don’t really know personally. I was on a hiatus from this site for while due to life throwing stuff at me. I don’t really care, there are very few people that I refuse to comment on. As long as you don’t throw personal attacks at me, I am going to keep commenting on your posts.

          • Joe

            I would never personally attack you calicub! I appreciate you kind words. Somebody has me mixed up with another person. I can’t control that. I look forward to your posts all the time. We may or may not agree, but that’ how it goes with the Cubbies! Believe me, I been following them fo forty years!

            • calicubsfan007

              Then we are golden! Follower for almost 20 years! I think I am the most embarrassed of the fact that I own a Sammy Sosa jersey and that is my only Cubs jersey!!!! I am waiting to buy another Cubs jersey just to prevent myself from making another stupid mistake!!! Hahahahaha

              • Joe

                Yes. We went from loving Sosa to disliking him. I still think Sammy is still well liked. Want to sell the jersey?(Bet you wouldn’t separate with it)Ha

                • calicubsfan007

                  Is there a good Cub with Sosa’s number? Maybe I’ll just change the last name.

    • cubchymyst

      “Jap” on its own is a racial slur that got its origin during World War 2. I’ve heard it before and it is something that some people will find offensive. Many Japanese Americans got locked up during WW2 and it was used as a derogatory term at the time. I don’t think it is commonly used today but you might want to think about changing your just aptitude prepared acronym.

      • MichiganGoat

        Exactly, and no amount of acrynom acrobatics will make any logical person believe that term was being used is a non-offensive manner.

        • cubchymyst

          I don’t know the guy so it might be an honest mistake, ESPN did something similar just a few months ago when they used the term “chink in the armor” when talking about Jeremy Lin.

          • calicubsfan007

            That was sad, I mean wow… Where was the editor or proof reader or legal guy on that one!!!! You would think ESPN would be more careful since it is national.

      • Joe

        That’s something from an “urban dictionary!” Please. They say a “stick” is something else and a “ball” is something else! Is that really the argument here? I’m sorry, let Brett hit me with the “ban hammer.” I’m ready. When “Just Aptitude Prepared”(JAP) becomes a problem, there is a problem!

        • cubchymyst

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

          Here is a wikipedia link for you, I’m only supplying because it appears you are not aware that it is a derogatory term. I’m going to agree with calicubfan007 and say its time to move on.

        • calicubsfan007

          This is the last I am going to be talking about this. Maybe just say the full phrase instead of the acronym or give the definition of what you mean next time, it might help prevent this from happening again. Are you the guy with a ton of poster names on here? Not trying to be accusatory or anything, just trying to figure this whole thing out. The hiatus really made me far behind on the drama on this web page. Feels like high school all over again!!! LOL

          • MichiganGoat

            Time to ignore, he was on here once before and banned for this kind of behavior. His excuse is bogus and the best thing to do is ignore him completely. Man I wish I picked a different to yak a long car ride! There are BETTER things to do. Good night Everyone.

  • calicubsfan007

    Can we stop talking about it? It just seems weird to talk about. We need like a ten words/ phrases you should never say on BN (joke). We have all said things that we regret. Come on guys, this is a Cubs page, let’s talk more about Sori trade spots.

    • cubchymyst

      The Soriano trade will probably not net the cubs much, my guess is that if his knees are that bad that he will retire or be let go before his contract is up

      • calicubsfan007

        Soris too smart to retire with all this money remaining on the table. It seems more likely that he will be cut. But I am still holding out for a trade. Check out my trade idea on the bottom of the page.

        • Joe

          Right. Is he playing the Cubs? I often wonder.

          • calicubsfan007

            Are you saying Soriano is hustling the Cubs? If so, that would make him one of the richest!! lol

            • cubchymyst

              Soriano has been showing more hustle this year

            • Joe

              As they say, ” I tell it like eyes sees it.”

      • Toby

        AL teams might overlook the knee problems if Cubs kick in a generous portion of Sori’s contract for him to DH. Heck, Vlad Guerrero had bad knees the last five years that he played.

        • cubchymyst

          AL as a DH sure he can play longer, but teams know the cubs can’t keep running him out there to play if his knees go and will just wait for him to be cut.

          • Joe

            Does he really have a knee problem? It seems doctors have not been able to detect anything! They are just going by Sori says he has pain. you can claim pain in your neck and nobody could prove/disaprove the claim!

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Better site your source on that one.  I’ve not seen anything that indicates that the Cubs’ doctors “have not been able to detect anything” that could account for Soriano’s knee problems.  The team does not publish all the medical data they have on all of their players.  In fact, they hardly publish any of it.

              Soriano has been playing at a high level of competition for quite some time.  He’s gotten older.  His knees are likely just wearing out.  It don’t think we need to start drumming up any insinuations that Soriano is lying about his knees.

              • calicubsfan007

                I’m sure he’s being honest about the pain. Maybe the past quad injuries have damaged his knee?

              • Joe

                I can’t quote the source on that right now Luke, it’s late. But I will say it was one of the major sports commenters. I just flew by the comment thinking how can you prove it one way or another. I’ll get back for sure!

              • Joe

                I think it was espn.

              • Joe
                • cubchymyst

                  That link says the same thing as the ESPN link, there is no mention in either one of doctors saying there is nothing wrong with is knee. It states that he doesn’t know what is wrong with his knee but that it is bothering him and that he might have surgery in the off season to fix it.

              • Joe

                Luke–Can we go on the mere fact Soriano (himself) has said he has a knee injury? I am sorry, I for one am very, very skeptical about this situation.

                • cubchymyst

                  It is fine to be skeptical, but I see know reason to doubt him. It is not like he is playing bad and trying to use it as an excuse.

                  • Joe

                    Well we’re getting back to the same Soriano argument of the past. When he hits home runs he is beloved. When he stinks up the clubhouse, he is hated. HE IS NOT PART OF THE CUBS PLANS! I will relax now.

                  • Joe

                    The knee is not an excuse?

                    • cubchymyst

                      I never mentioned Soriano being part of the cubs future. You need to not read into things that are not there. All I said is that I see no reason not to believe him about his knee because he brought it up at a time when he is playing well.

            • calicubsfan007

              Well, he strained his quad during 07, which could have serious implications on the knee (trust me). Another quad injury in 2011. Maybe the quad is making his knee out of whack.

            • King Jeff

              This is getting ridiculous. You can watch the man run in the outfield and notice how much pain his knees are giving him. Any teammate that I’ve ever heard talk about Soriano says nothing but positive things about his work ethic and the time he puts into baseball. This is beginning to sound like a crazy conspiracy theory you cooked up.

              • MichiganGoat

                It’s not worth the energy King.

        • calicubsfan007

          I think that is a different story in a lot of ways. For starters, Vlad was on 3 different teams in those 5 years, Soriano has been with us for all 5 years. Vlad played mainly DH those last 5 years, while Soriano really hasn’t much. And Vlad in his prime was one of the best hitters and fielders of his time, Soriano was great as a hitter but was considered a horrible fielder (demonstrated by his three position changes over his career). And finally, Vlad’s BA over the last two years was .300 (2010) and .290 (2011), while Sori’s (excluding this year due to this year not being much more than a small sample size) .258 (2010) and .244 (2011). And those last two years show that Sori’s strikeouts were almost double of what Vlad’s were. Teams didn’t mind Vlad’s knees because he kept hitting pretty well on a consistent basis and because of his past consistency, Sori can’t really claim that.

          http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/guerrvl01.shtml
          http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/soriaal01.shtml

  • calicubsfan007

    Soriano for $10 salary relief and free dry cleaning of Theo’s suits for the rest of the year. Fair deal?

    • cubchymyst

      I’d assume Theo has a lot of suits so the dry cleaning might add up fairly quick. Could end up being more salary relief then they get otherwise.

      • Joe

        Ha!

      • calicubsfan007

        See, we would make out like bandits with this deal. All that extra moolah being saved. If only Theo could see this deal idea!!! LOL

  • Assman22

    Soler bidding down to two teams

  • Kevin

    Cubs pick # 25 OF Rhett Wiseman could be had for a lot less money than Soler. Let’s be financially responsible.

    • Leroy K.

      no way. He’s going to Vanderbuilt 100%

    • cubchymyst

      Those are also two completely different money pools, Its not like not signing Soler gives us more money for Wiseman.

    • Jeremy

      First, Wisemen isn’t close to the prospect that Soler is. Second, we don’t have enough money in our pool to pry Wisemen away from his commitment to Vandy. Third, JORGE SOLER. GET IT DONE!

  • Jason “Thundermug”

    You are only allowed so much money to sign Wiseman and I believe 100,000 No Way Wiseman will take that little and he has said that he is sticking to Vanderbilt all the Way

  • King Jeff

    Wow, two weeks ago, we were all wondering if Soler was even going to get residency in time, now there’s talk he’s going to be in RF for the Yankees by 2014? Did I miss this guy going from long term project to almost big league ready?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Don’t be ridiculous, Jeff. The rumors are 2013.

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