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What do you say about a 17-1 game that isn’t obvious or sarcastic? The Cubs got their asses kicked today, and most of the damage came off of Jeff Samardzija and Casey Coleman. The end.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke
  • Carew

    Tomorrow is an off day right? I wouldnt be surprised if we see some changes

  • MikeL

    Well done! Really not much to say about a game like this, Brett.

    • King Jeff

      It really doesn’t seem like the Cubs won this series does it?

  • magilljl

    So its safe to assume Coleman isn’t stepping in and filling in for Dempster anytime soon?

  • TonyP

    What a repulsive display of pitching Samardzija and Coleman.

  • Evan

    If only Rizzo had gotten to the plate in the 9th he could’ve tied it with a 16-run homer….

    • J Wilson

      Haha, that’s great Evan. I didn’t watch the game, but what happened with Castro on the bases? Was he popping bubble gum and staring into the bleachers, or did Ike Davis pull a Haywood by saying “Castro, real hard to steal second with your shoe are untied” before the pickoff?

  • calicubsfan007

    Oh Shark… I am not trying to pick on Sveum or anything, but his whole lefty-righty thing is starting to piss me off. There really aren’t any positive results from this method! Stop playing Baker!!!

    • RY34

      totally agree, guy is absolutely useless.

    • JNasty

      I know, if Baker wasn’t in the lineup it would have only been a 15 run game.

  • rcleven

    Jeff made Randy look good today.

    • calicubsfan007

      rcleven: And that’s really saying something!

  • Chef

    Boy, getting the first overall pick in the draft is painful.

    • MikeL

      At this rate, it might happen again in the 2014 draft as well.

      • hansman1982

        I bet Nationals fans are not regretting two years of suckitude right now…

        • Featherstone

          No, I bet they aren’t. Wish there was a super prospect being touted this upcoming draft that we can look forward to, but there is still plenty of time for the class to take shape.

  • King Jeff

    Wow. I fought like heck to get to watch this game and get kicked in the nards for doing so. Samardzija had no movement on the fastball and kept leaving the breaking stuff either up or out of the zone. Is he hurt? Is it mechanical? Does Chris Bosio suck? Should I have tacos for dinner?

    Oh yeah, and the lefty offense is awesome once again, the best day was put in by the guys who bat left handed.

    • RY34

      tacos are always an excellent choice in my opinion!

      • calicubsfan007

        RY34: Agreed! (=

    • Carew

      Instead of tacos, have a burrito. Yum

    • rcleven

      Chicken beef or pork?

      • Featherstone

        Tongue, don’t knock it until you try it.

        • calicubsfan007

          Featherstone: Love me some cow tongue! Agreed, don’t knock it until you try it!

          • Featherstone

            Tried it on a whim once, was very pleasantly surprised. I also love me some good chorizo especially with my eggs.

            • Diesel

              I tried it at first when someone was talking to my grandpa. We were both used to being the only ones around with our name and so I thought they were talking to me and I had some. It was fantastic.

        • MaxM1908

          I have a great recipe for boiled beef tongue and raisin sauce. It’s one of my favorite dishes.

      • Dave H

        steak

        • King Jeff

          I’m with you Dave, I’m going with the steak, but there may or may not be doritos involved. I will have to keep that in mind Hansman.

          • djriz

            I’m sorry, but in honor of Anthony Rizzo, shouldn’t we be having pizza?

            Taco Pizza is acceptable.

    • hansman1982

      yes tacos – take ground beef, a packet of seasoning, rice, doritos, lettuce, tomatoes, cheese, ranch, sour cream and taco sauce and you have yourself one helluva meal

      • RY34

        amen to that!

      • JoeyCollins

        Skip the packet of seasoning and instead add a stick of pork chorizo. Its not a taco unless its tuning down your arm

        • Cheryl

          It’s easier to decide on an appetizer, main course and dessert than this lineup. What ever you choose I would suggest a strong bottle of wine to go with it or maybe a white bordeaux. You’ll need something like that to wash down the score, Then add some schnapps for dessert and you’ll truly appreciate the score.

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    Anybody else starting to wonder whether or not the shark should be a reliever again? Just curious. Won’t happen this year, but on a good team is he a SP?

    • willis

      Lots of discussion on that in the pre-gamin’ thread. The answer is yes. He could be a stud reliever. As a starter? I’ve seen enough.

    • http://bleachernation.com RicoSanto

      When you start Jeff Baker in RF,and Mather.Our lineup against LHP is awful.We need someone like Scott Hairston before today 7 out of 9 Hrs are against Lefties.He hits the ball hard every time.

    • http://bleachernation.com RicoSanto

      Maybe a closer one day. I could see the music playing the Jaws theme and the Shark comes in.

  • rcleven

    Will Ohman anybody? His ERA is only .650.

  • BleedBlueinWNeb

    We need a lot more good players!!!! that sums it up best…

  • http://bleachernation.com RicoSanto

    Here is the kind of trade we need to make for Garza…10 years ago today. Cleveland traded there #1 starter Bartolo Colon for Lee Stephens and 3 minor leaguers..Brandon Phillips,Cliff Lee and Grady Sizemore.GREAT SCOUTING

    • TonyP

      Montreal thought they were being contracted so they didn’t give a rip about the future.

  • Robert

    In other news, the Yankees have put CC Sabathia on the disabled list. Hmm.. Garza to the Yankees looking real sweet about now….

    • EB

      Pettite to the DL too

      • Cyranojoe

        Oooh.

  • BleedBlueinWNeb

    seriously, who on this roster will be around when we’re good in a couple years? Castro, Rizzo, Shark, Wood???, Barney???…Theo and Jed have so much work to do to acquire big league talent it’s not even funny. i hope Oswalt sucks and N. Feliz doesn’t come back anytime soon, i’d like to get Texas desperate for Garza! Leonys Martin is who i’d like to pick up as a prospect…who cares how many OF prospects we have.

    the pitching staff??? i have no idea where we go from what we have now to a consistent post season type staff…i’m sure the plan is to build bullpen with cheaper, home grown arms and then spend on the starters when possible. Our staff is abysmal.

    • MikeL

      I would say Castro and Rizzo would be it…….and we don’t even know about those two yet either…..

    • JoeyCollins

      I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today while at work. I was trying to see what a line up of the future might look like assuming all of our top guys reach their projected ceilings. My conclusion was we have a lot of work to do. And I wasn’t even looking at pitchers just position players.

  • BleedBlueinWNeb

    also i love the iphone and twitter was built for it! i enjoy chatting cubs on there…hit me up at @offaironpoint!

  • Cub Gone Wild

    Shark is over used right now. This season doesn’t mean anything. I pass him up until after the all star break is over. He is running out of gas every game earlier and earlier. He still throws hard but his arm drops along with his elbow and the ball moves up and the rest is history. If the Cubs are smart they do this or he won’t be around at seasons end. He will have an arm issue and then these dumb asses will really be under the gun.

    • JoeyCollins

      I agree. Start limiting his pitches and soiling some starts,or at least hive home so.e extra days. Then don’t leg him train as hard in the offseason this year. Shark came into camp k. Mid-season form and now hes worn out. Not ready to give up on him as a SP yet but he needs rest

      • Bric

        Yep. Or just put him back in the bullpen where he belongs. Whichever one’s easier.

      • Kyle

        I’d say he soiled his own start today :)

      • Cyranojoe

        I agree with you, Joey. Too early to give up on a guy who showed so much promise in April and May. Dial him back, get him to build up endurance, and see how he goes in 2013. If he can’t handle the whole season next year (or most of it, at least), then back to the stud pen he goes, and no regrets!

  • Bric

    The box score reads: Samardjia, Coleman, Ascencia, Dolis, Corpas. The real question is did Svuem hit the fast forward button to September 7th or rewind back to March 21st?

  • MikeL

    Well, I am going to put a positive spin on this suckiness that we are about to go through over the next two to three seasons. When Bobby Cox became GM in Atlanta in 1985, he started trading away the Braves best hitters for prospects and they put a lot of money towards drafting and player development. They lost 90-100 games for three or four straight years. Now, they still don’t have the same market that we do….but look at how their dedication to constantly developing a farm system has worked out for them. Yes, rebuilding through the farm systems sucks, it’s painful, and it takes a little while. However, you build a foundation where you are able to contend year in and year out for several years. They still don’t sign big name free agents, but sign solid players that can complement their younger players. Most teams get panicky and start trading their prospects and aren’t as disciplined as the Braves. The only other team that is similar in style would be the Rays….and they are on their way to the same type of long term success.

    • Kyle

      Every team in the league outside of New York and Boston has been trying to imitate the Braves’ model for the last two decades. Andy MacPhail referenced it heavily when he took over the Cubs.

      Wanting to be the Braves and actually being them are two very, very different things.

      • MikeL

        I didn’t say they were imitating the braves philosophy exactly….I was simply talking about building through the farm system. And no…..every team has NOT imitated the Braves model, because as I said…..teams are not patient and disciplined enough to develop their own. They end up trading top prospects for a quick fix. McPhail did this successfully as well…..the cubs had the #1 farm system in 2002. By the way, Epstien DID say that he would not trade away the prospects that he did if he didn’t feel like he was forced to. That’s the key, the more talent you have in your minors that you are patient with and don’t trade away, the more you will look like the Rays and Braves. Hendry got aggressive and started trading away a lot of guys and also forgot about player development. If you look at his hit rate on his first round draft choices, you can understand why he didn’t want to trade them.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          “the cubs had the #1 farm system in 2002″

          Talking about how any one team succeeds usually leads to logical fallacies.  The Braves did X.  The Braves won a lot.  Therefore, X works.  The Rays did Y.  The Rays won a lot.  Therefore, Y works.  These are both fallacious statements because they omit the fact that several other teams have been trying X and Y: and it has not worked out for them.  Now, in part, this is because “building through the farm system” borders on being a pithy aphorism: it’s an incredibly vague term that can cover any number of tactics or sets of tactics.  The real philosophy is in the sort of player that you try to acquire.  And even there, well, there is a huge luck component: you can draft a Chipper Jones, but the odds on having one play so well for so long are astronomically small.

  • Stu

    At least Baker only struck out twice today. He is WAY OVERDUE to hit for the cycle, have a 4 homer game, 56 game hitting streak, etc.

    Repeat after me…..must….play……Baker……must…..play…….Baker…..

    • Cubs Dude

      Everyone knows Baker sucks balls bigtime. But if you ask Sveum why he plays Baker he will start talking about something else. He tries and make everyone forget about the original question, but it never works. He tries to be like Theo, but can’t hang..

  • Cubs Dude

    I wonder if the Shark is still the only guy on the “won’t trade list” still? That’s a madeup and stupid article anyways.. He looks like complete a$$hole out there these days.

  • Stu

    Baker must have some dirt on these guys…

    • Diesel

      He is holding children hostage.

  • Chef Brian

    A game like this you just gotta shrug your shoulders. Tomorrow’s another day.

    • Cyranojoe

      Amen.

  • Mat B

    Opened a beer so I could cry in it.

  • die hard

    Rizzo left 4 on base….but who’s noticing through the kool aided blue fog?

    • Drew7

      *facepalm*

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Because every silver lining has a cloud…..

  • MikeL

    Where were you last night after the game? How about when he crushed a double today? Oh yeah! You ignored it! You are right though…..Rizzo should go 5-5 with three homeruns everyday with 200 RBI or we should consider him to be a bust……

    • Mat B

      Sounds about right.

    • Toby

      Rizzo should be hitting 4 HRs with 8 RBIs while delivering babies every game. How dare Rizzo leave runners on base. I’m sorry, but Rizzo will be the worst player the Cubs ever has. I’d take 100 Marvelle Wynnes before one of Rizzo. Oh, my post was sarcasm.

      • cjdubbya

        WHERE WAS HIS NINE-RUN HOMER IN THE FIFTH? THAT WOULD HAVE TIED THE GAME!

  • MikeL

    Lets not forget that if Randy Wells would get a start everyday the Cubs would go 162-0….Jed and Theo don’t know anything about baseball!!! Also, Tony Campana should bat cleanup!!!!

    • Carew

      whoa sarcasm to the extreme…i like it

  • MikeL

    I would have to think that a Szczur is going to be getting a promotion pretty soon. He has a grand slam, double, and a single tonight and his OPS is approaching .800 in a pitcher’s league.

    • Kyle

      Very encouraging. I’ve always been a Szczur skeptic. It was nice that he was starting to walk more this season, but the power was non-existent. If he can find a way to combine the two, he proves my skepticism wrong.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        He still projects nicely into center field, so he won’t need a lot of power.  If he can hit 10-15 HR a year he’ll probably be OK.

        I’m not sure about a near term promotion, though.  He did sit out for a few weeks with a knee injury.  He might go to Tennessee late in the season to help them out down the stretch and in the playoffs (like did for Daytona last year), but I would not expect anything sooner than that.

        • Kyle

          I’m not so much worried about the MLB home run totals as I am that a lack of power at almost 23 in A+ would indicate a lack of ability to drive the ball with solid contact. Especially given his butt-ugly swing.

          • chirogerg

            He’s walking at right around 10%, striking out at only 14%, and slugging .121 points higher than his BA, which is rapidly increasing. What lack of power? He has more doubles than Ryan Braun, Dustin Ackley, Derek Jeter, Rafael Furcal, Adam Dunn, Starlin Castro, and Bryan LaHair in around 15 less games played. He also on pace for almost 70 steals in 162 games. He’s a natural athlete and has at least two more seasons to refine his hitting before coming up. I’m really not sure what you want from a CF if you are saying that. If you want a little more hitting and a little more power, then you have Mike Trout, and that is too much to ask.

            • MikeL

              Chirogreg,

              Are we still talking about Szczur???? If so, you can’t compare stats that guys put up in High A ball to guys in the majors…..

            • Kyle

              Coming into tonight, he had a .378 slugging percentage and an IsoD of .104. You can’t pretend that’s not a concern for a guy who is almost 23 playing in A+.

              • MikeL

                Kyle,

                As Luke has emphasized many times…..you have to look beyond the initial slash line. Matt had a very slow start in april and early may but has come on strong ever since his overall slash line doesn’t tell the whole story.

                • Kyle

                  I pretty explicitly acknowledged that he’s been on the upswing and that if he keeps it up, I’ll change my mind about him.

                  • MikeL

                    My mistake, you did acknowledge it earlier…..I forgot I was talking to the same guy :)

  • chrisMehica

    Question for anyone that knows, What is the difference between the ratings on WGN when the Cubs play vs. when the broadcast Sox games? I wonder why they waste my time putting those A$$ Clowns on TV around the country when they have no national fanbase. I would much prefer 80 Cub games then listening to Hawk complain about calls and Steve Stone stew about getting fired a decade ago..

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