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Some rumor chunks to get you into your weekend…

  • Jon Heyman says that, if the Yankees made a move for pitching, Matt Garza is the guy they’d want. Buuuut, they’re not likely to make a move for pitching. The Red Sox, Blue Jays, Tigers, and Dodgers remain interested in Garza, among other teams.
  • The Orioles, on the other hand, have shifted their focus away from Garza, according to Jayson Stark, after learning just how steep the Cubs’ asking price was. I’ve said previously that I didn’t see the Orioles as a good fit for a Garza trade, given that they’ve got two tip top prospects – Manny Machado and Dylan Bundy – whom they will not trade, and then lesser prospects that probably can’t get them Garza. So, it’s a pretty fair guess that in their pursuit of Garza, they kept hearing one thing from the Cubs: “Either Machado or Bundy is include, or we’re not going to make a deal.” And, eventually, the Orioles got the message, and (probably wisely) backed off.
  • Stark also says he’s talked to two execs who say the Cubs have been bringing up Bryan LaHair’s name regularly in trade talks. While not surprising, that’s certainly something new – previously, with respect to LaHair, we’d heard only that the Cubs were listening. Why might the Cubs actively be shopping LaHair? Well, it could be that they’ve decided he can’t play full-time in the outfield. Or it could simply be that they’re trying to sell high (at least, as reasonably high as one could characterize LaHair as still being). And, by the way, if the Cubs are actively shopping LaHair, and don’t want to call up Brett Jackson just yet, might my theorized explanation for the Cubs’ alleged interest in Ryan Sweeney make a great deal of sense?
  • George Ofman, who tends not to just pull prospect names out of a hat, says, “Dodgers pitching prospects Chris Withrow and Garret Gould could entice Theo to trade Dempster to L.A.” Withrow, 23, has been in the Dodgers’ system for a looong time, and is in his third season at AA (fourth, if you count a partial year in 2009). His strikeout numbers have always been good, but he’s always walked a ton of guys, too. Still, he was the Dodgers’ 6th best prospect before the season to BP. I’m not sure whether that’s a compliment to Withrow, or a criticism of the Dodgers’ system. Gould, who turns 21 next week, was the Dodgers’ 5th best prospect in the same rankings, and is currently pitching decently in High A. Neither arm knocks your socks off, but it would certainly be an acceptable return for Dempster.
  • Paul Sullivan appeared on the Midway Madness podcast this week (cool guys, by the way), and he shared some rumor-y thoughts: (1) Dempster is the most likely Cub to be traded, and Paul Sullivan didn’t sound terribly confident that any of the other bigger names – Matt Garza included – would be traded; (2) Alfonso Soriano would be a good fit in a number of places as a DH, but it’s a matter of whether a team takes on enough of his salary to make it worth the move (you can ignore the part where he says not to listen to me (“that guy doesn’t know anything”) – he was joking, although, while I do know a little about the Cubs, I really do know very little about the world, in general); (3) Garza might net three or four prospects, but the Cubs won’t deal him just to deal him; extension talks are non-existent; and (4) no real reason to deal LaHair right now given how affordable he is.
  • Sullivan also did a whacky trade ideas edition of his mailbag, and offered the following list of Ryan Dempster’s preferred trade destinations (since he’s got no-trade rights), which may or may not have been partially tongue-in-cheek: “White Sox (because it’s home), Cincinnati (close to home and reunited with Dusty Baker), Yankees (the pinstripes, and reunited with Larry Rothschild), Dodgers (reunited with bike riding partner Ted Lilly), Boston (talked into it by Kevin Millar) or Miami (his former home and respect for Ozzie Guillen).”
  • Buster Olney lists the Cubs, among nine other teams, as a possible fit for Justin Upton if the Diamondbacks trade him. The problem? Getting Upton would almost certainly cost Starlin Castro.
  • The Mets’ Dillon Gee might miss the rest of the year following a second shoulder surgery related to an artery issue. They’ll probably fill the void internally, but you could imagine them wanting to pick up a starting pitcher, given how close they are in the race.
  • The Cardinals might be willing to include sideways sliding pitching prospect Shelby Miller – he was a top 10 guy in all of baseball before the season – in a trade for a starting pitcher. The Cards have previously been linked to Matt Garza, though the STLToday article mentions Ryan Dempster. Getting Miller for Dempster is a pipe dream.
  • Fishin Phil

    “Getting Miller for Dempster is a pipe dream.”

    I like pipes.

    • Babe Ruth

      Im sure u do!

  • Steve

    How about THIS trade rumor:

    I’m trading my usual ice water during lunch….for a whiskey sour.

    WINNING!!!!!

    • beerhelps

      I love whiskey sours …. damn now I want one and still got 5 more hours to go at work

      • Steve

        BTW…I had 2. Now I’m back at office and my mini buzz is wearing off. Hey….how about i….leave work early…….

        CUBS WIN!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Gould and Withrow both profiles as potential mid rotation starters (though Gould may have some upside on that).

    • Mick

      These are Jonathan Mayo’s evaluations of each prospect posted on MLB.com

      Dodger’s 5th best prospect Chris Withrow RHP:
      Withrow’s pure stuff and arm strength are still as exciting as when he first came out of the Texas high school ranks in 2007. He has a plus fastball and will show a plus curve. His changeup is still a work in progress, though it has improved. He made strides in 2011 but still struggled with his command. If he can throw strikes more consistently, he still has the stuff and is young enough to develop into a Major League starter. If not, he does have a power arm that would work out of a bullpen. His 2012 season has been hindered by injuries. His debut was delayed by an abdominal injury, and he landed on the DL again with a strained lower back at the beginning of June. He returned to action on June 28.

      Dodger’s 10th best prosepect Garrett Gould RHP:
      The Dodgers brought Gould along slowly, but when they finally introduced him to full-season ball in 2011, he certainly seemed ready. The right-hander was a Midwest League All-Star and led the system in ERA (2.40). He won’t light up the radar gun, but he has a good three-pitch mix and knows how to use it. His curve can be a plus pitch and he’s got a changeup to back up the fastball. Without the plus fastball, people will want to see how he fares against more advanced hitters, but so far so good.

      • Steve

        When I hear ” a good 3 pitch mix”, I see a Dempster type. Its seeming more and more like thats what it takes to be successful in todays game. All these power arms with big FB’s dont amount to much without the “sides” as my wife likes to call them.

        • Noah

          That’s always been the case, it’s just the level of analysis available to the standard fan is higher. To be a good starting pitcher in baseball, you’ve needed to be able to throw three pitches at least pretty well: a fastball, a breaking ball and a change up.

          • Steve

            Right Noah, I kinda didn’t get my point across…I should have focused on the fact that a big FB isn’t totally necessary If your other offerings are quality.

            • Noah

              That’s a good point. While I think at least a plus fastball is necessary to be an ace, it is not necessary to be, say, a solid mid to back end of the rotation guy. And you will get a couple guys with less than plus fastballs who will be better than that.

              And, just to cut this off before it starts, when Greg Maddux was at his peak he had a plus fastball. It wasn’t mid to high 90s, but it was 91-93 with utterly insane movement and pinpoint control. If Maddux really wanted to rear back and throw a ball straight and hard, I have no doubt he could have sat in the mid-90s.

    • Ryno G

      Dodgers have already moved Withrow to the pen, at least lately. Wouldn’t be a huge fan of the trade.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I understand your reservations, but it’s funny – it wasn’t two months ago that we all would have been thrilled to see the Cubs get Gould alone for Dempster. It’s amazing how our perception of the market has changed (and how Dempster’s performance has increased his value). I’m not saying we’re wrong, it’s just been amazing to watch the shift – all we really have to go off of is the Carlos Lee deal, which was a surprisingly strong return for the Astros.

  • MightyBear

    That’s a good trade Steve. I hope Maholm pitches well tonight. Anybody hear anything about offers for Maholm? He has been pitching real well lately, he’s a left handed starter, his salary is reasonable and his contract has a club option for next year. I would think he would be in demand as much as Garza or Dempster and net the Cubs some decent prospects.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Nothing on Maholm, but he should absolutely be desirable by the teams looking to add a non-upper-tier pitcher. The Cubs have an option on him for 2013, so he’s definitely expendable. I think we’ll hear his name a bit in the coming weeks.

      • BD

        I like him as a fit for the Mets.

      • TH

        With Gee being shelved and Santana being borderline injured, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Mets go after him. Cardinals too, but who cares about them.

      • Turn Two

        Maholm I am inclined to think won’t be worth what we get in return for him. We need to have at least reasonable expectations to be less than horrible the rest of the season and next. Maholm with Wood and Samardjiza at least gives us capable starting pitching, when we stand to get very little in return for him. If Dempster has the leagues lowest era and the leadership qualities everyone desires and he can net us 1 aging minor leaguer with a high walk rate and one young high upside, I can’t imagine Maholm would net us very much.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Maholm probably wouldn’t net more than a decent B prospect, but I don’t think I agree that that isn’t worth taking.

          • hansman1982

            B isn’t bad at all…from what I understand (and this is rough):
            (giving range of ratings)
            A – Sure fire stud in the majors – Will attend a few All-Star games
            B – Outside chance of stud – Major League regular – Mark DeRosa type
            C – Solid backup – Outside chance of becoming a MLR/backup – Career MiLB but if absolutely everything breaks his way he will become a backup
            D – a few years in MiLB

            • Turn Two

              I do not disagree with anything you guys are saying and I would be happy with the suggested return on Demp. Hansman, I also agree that a B prospect would be a nice return. However, at some point while we are waiting for “the future” we need to have a semi-respectable present. I would argue that Maholm is one of those guys that maybe isn’t worth the return on investment. Not because a B prospect isn’t valuable, but because a solid lefty arm on a bad team could be valuable. The Dempsters, we have to get rid of because of the net return and team’s know it and it handcuffs us. Maholm is one of 3 guys who would keep us respectable for the next couple years on the mound and the B prospect that we could get in return is a loss I’d be willing to take.

              • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

                “we need to have a semi-respectable present.”
                -
                Why?

                • ETS

                  Well, you do still need to sell tickets.

                  • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

                    I don’t think keeping Paul Maholm, or any other medicore veteran, in hopes of keeping the team “semi-respectable”, is going to help that out.

                  • Wester

                    I gotta agree with Norm. It can’t be much worse than the first half of the season, and we all obviously know that we’re not going anywhere. I think any prospect that the FO deams worthy of being in our minor league system in place of a guy who might throw a decent game every five days this year is definately worth thinking about.

                • oswego chris

                  I wrote about this on the board the other day, and why it may not be popular…I think a second half of playing .500 baseball is way more important than adding a coouple of B prospects…some of these guys need to learn how to win….and there are going to be at least 12 or so guys that are on the team now, who will be on the team next year…its not just going to be Castro, Rizzo, Wood, Samard and a whole new team…

                  • Wester

                    And…I know its also not a popular thing to mention…but the worse we do, the better pick we get next year.

                  • andrew

                    You lie!! Everyone is traded this year! Almora Soler Baez Szczzr and ummm Hayden Simpson are all starting next year !!!

                  • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

                    I don’t agree that winning an extra handful of games is going to help the players develop.
                    I’d rather take the B prospects; guys that have a chance to help you win games for the next 6-7 years.

                    • Noah

                      I don’t even understand the idea of “learn how to win.” That’s the sort of old school thinking that gets front offices in trouble (viewing players as more talented than they are because they played on good teams). You win by having better players than the other team.

                    • Turn Two

                      If you don’t have respectability you won’t sell any seats. Fans will get impatient, players will have it taken out on them. I am not saying don’t go young or don’t trade away any piece that brings you value. For instance, I am all for trading David Dejesus for a “B” prospect if we could. However, Maholm is a decent lefty- starting pitcher. Starting pitching can keep you respectable, therefore I do not think he is worth 1 B prospect. If Maholm played any other position I would have a different opinion. Starting pitching however, can keep a bad team looking respectable. It can keep a positive clubhouse and ultimately help player development.

                    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

                      Sorry, I can’t get on board with the implication that keeping Paul Maholm around is going to help develop players.

                    • oswego chris

                      you have to have some major leaguers in your core…we already have two great young players at first and short…and wood looks like a solid 3 or 4 at least…

                      all this crazy talk…there is NO WAY the Cubs get Upton

                      and why all of this Jacob Turner love?…I don’t get it….

          • Mick

            Wouldn’t we still get the same return for Maholm if we picked up his option in the off-season and waited until next trade-deadline to move him. We’re already most likely trading Dempster and Garza, do we really want to riddle our rotation any more considering our lack of quality replacements. Would Theo actually consider a rotation with Shark, Wood, Wells, Volstad, and ummmm Rodrigo Lopez?

  • Turn Two

    Cubs are in a tough spot. With only weeks remaining, Theo and Jed, rightly are focusing all of their efforts on the big names. This leaves them little time to trade the Johnsons, Bakers, etc. Normally this would not be a bad thing, those players are not going to net us much in return. However, I need them to trade Baker and Johnson for absolutely anything so that it at least semi-justifies me watching them start so much for the past 2 seasons.

    • AB

      those guys seem like they would be moves that would be made during the waiver period.

  • MightyBear

    What about Webster? Did the Dodgers make him untouchable?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Not sure about that – I just suspect that Ofman was mentioning two names he’d heard, specifically.

  • MightyBear

    Thanks Brett/Luke. You gentlemen are on you’re game today. I hope the Cubs are as well.

  • Edd

    SHELBY MILLER AND GRADE C PROSPECT FOR DEMP AND BARNEY.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      As long as there are not injury concerns with Miller, done.

      But why would the Cardinals want Barney more than other teams would want him? More than, for example, the Cubs?

      • Ryno G

        Miller has major attitude problems apparently, which is why they’re willing to move him.

        • ETS

          I have heard this as well. That and his bad 2012 #’s make me shy to trade for him.

          • Richard Nose

            Agreed, abort.

          • Gabriel

            I ain’t shy, especially for Dempster – dear gawd. That would be a monster coup. However, I think Garza will be necessary for that to go through.

            This might be too far out there, but I would try to make a package for Miller AND Oscar Taveras. I would even do Garza & Demp if they threw in another MLB-projectible arm.

  • patrick

    So if the Dbacks want a 3b or SS and there have been Tigers/dback rumors involving a Castellanos package…. how about this 3 team idea (obviously cubs dont want to part w/Starlin…)

    Ok so Buster O (ESPN) says cubs will have to part with Castro in order to get Upton… So how can we keep Starlin while at the same time acquire J-Up??

    Cubs trade Garza and a higher prospect heard tigers are interested in Lake, we throw in Barney as well (tigers are high in Darwin) in return Cubs get Castellanos and Turner.

    So again Garza, Lake, and Darwin for Castellanos and Turner. Stay with me-Ive had a lot of coffee this morning.

    Cubs in create a package around Castellanos (Maybe LaHair) an offer for Upton.

    • andrew

      I said this in another post but consider that both Castellanos and turner are ranked as highly as Rizzo. Now think to yourself, would you give away two Rizzo level players for Garza Lake and Barney?

      • patrick

        I am not saying to offer Turner (in my proposed deal Turner stays with the Cubs)

        So If we can build a package around Castellanos (IMO wont be as good as Rizzo, but I am bias)

        • Richard Nose

          He’s saying why would the Tigers trade 2 Rizzo’s for a Garza, a Lake, and a Barney. I personally think Garza’s value has shifted, even though everyone still knows what he’s capable of. And I think Turner’s value has skewed in a fairly large way. So comparing Rizzo’s to Rizzo’s kinda exaggerates this one I think.

        • Richard Nose

          I do like where your head’s at though.

          1. Garza Barney Lake for Castellanos Turner
          Barney’s good for the Cubs I guess, adds value to the trade, Turner has struggled so I don’t really think this is too far off. I don’t give a damn about Castellanos with Baez and Candellario in the system, and Turner doesn’t exactly shore things up pitching-wise, so let’s go balls to the wall with the DBacks trade
          2. Castellanos, Brett Jackson, Matt Sczur (and more small pieces of course) for Justin Upton and Tyler Skaggs.

          Boom.

          • patrick

            Skaggs would be great! As a phoenix resident, they are awfully high on him though and may be tough to get J-Up and Skaggs, but yes defintely worth a shot.

            • Richard Nose

              I miss Sliders and Alice Cooperstown with all my heart. Used to live down there too.

          • Drew7

            ” I don’t give a damn about Castellanos with Baez and Candellario in the system…”

            I don’t know, Nose…that’s putting a lot of stock into those two. I’m excited about both (more so about Baez), but Castellanos just crushed A+ pitching and continues to rake in AA. Baez and Candellario have a LONG way to go before we can consider them MLB-ready.

            Plus, I’m not sure that trade gets you Skaggs and Upton, anyway.

            • Richard Nose

              Agreed, that was a bold statement. Castellanos is almost already pretty locked up and Baez and Candellario are an extra couple years beyond Castellanos. Now that I look at it more kinda in 2 parts, it’s like Jackson and Szczur for Skaggs (maybe, maybe not), Castellanos and a couple mid-levels for Upton (no chance). Just dreaming my ass off. I like a lot of other teams players and am totally down to move some of our guys. i.e. Jackson, Szczur, Vitters, aaaaaand I’m looking forward to Vogelbach having huge trade value in a year or 2.

  • Edd

    Is Albert Almora going to be introduced at Wrigley? I’ve noticed that other 2012 picks have had a press conference with their teams.

  • Cub Gone Wild

    Cubs send Garza to Boston for Franklin Morales, Sweeney, and two high prospects. Or Cubs send Dempster to Boston for Franklin Morales and Sweeney.
    LaHair to the Dodgers to play first base and we get 2 top pitchers out of their system. Or LaHair to the Pirates for two top pitchers or very good position players. We have to get back to screwing the Pirates on trades. We killed them on trades for a long time. We need to fleece them again as they are getting to be too good. LOL

    Once Dempster goes to Boston for Morales and Sweeney. Theo can really start working on the Yankee’s for Garza. If the Yankee’s don’t bite then shift attention elsewhere or resign Garza.

    I watched Morales pitch a few games on MLBTV and he is becoming quite good. I look at him like a Trevor Wood right now. Boston only has him as a 5th or 6th starter. Morales is 26 (perfect age) and under control. He is the perfect piece and he has incredible upside and he is LH with great stuff. I hope Theo is laying in the weeds waiting to pounce on this one. Sweeney replaces LaHair in RF when LaHair goes to the Dodgers to play 1B for them. Loney is toast at this point and LaHair is a definite upgrade and cost controlled for years to come.

    If we don’t get what we want for Garza resign him this off season.

    A rotation of:
    Garza
    Morales
    Shark
    Wood
    Maholm

    3 Lefties and 2 righties would be awesome especially for Wrigley field. I’m not saying the way I have them listed would be the sequential rotation but that would be a pretty damned good rotation and extremely cost effective. Shark, Wood and Morales all well under a Million a year for now. Maholm is cheap and Garza is breaking our bank either.

    We sprinkle in some good bullpen pitchers and we are as competitive as anyone else in the NL Central next year. If we are close on this date next year we make some upgrades by trades. We signed a ton of pitchers this year. They can be trade bait next year if we need to make a deal or two.

    Maybe we trade Soto for a 3B who can fill in until we get that position figured out. Vitters or not.

    • ETS

      Shark makes well over $1m already.

  • John

    Is Albert Almora going to be introduced at Wrigley? I’ve noticed that other 2012 picks have had a press conference with their teams.

  • RoughRiider

    No Upton !!!

    • ETS

      What about kate?

      • RoughRiider

        Yeah to Kate.

  • jim

    Sounds like we wont get much. Btw, buy paul sullivan a beer at justins and he’ll be ur friend forever ;-)

  • Cub Gone Wild

    No way do we trade Starlin Castro and get back only Justin Upton. Sorry that doesn’t compute. We aren’t desperate for a Justin Upton right now.

  • Patrick W.

    I really just wonder how much of the starting pitching is going to be traded. I don’t see the Cubs trading all three of Garza, Dempster and Maholm. That’s three starters you have to replace in your rotation, and you’re probably going to shut down Smardzija at a point where you’ll need another starter for 5-6 games. If prospects are the only return you’re looking for, what is the Cubs’ September starting pitching staff? Wood, Volstad, Coleman, Rusin and Rowland-Smith?

  • patrick

    Thats kinda what I was getting at dont trade Starlin, but trade w/tigers and send those prospects to AZ in return for Upton. Rizzo, Starlin, Upton, all young and cubs would have control on these players. Upton is only 23!

  • Cubs505050

    Upton for Castro = No No

  • Cub Gone Wild

    One thought that has been going through the noggin is why don’t the Cubs start working Soto out at 3b. He might not be the best defensively but maybe he could be adequate for a little while. He has the arm for it no doubt. It may help his hitting not being behind the plate. He would still be available to catch. We get to have Clevenger and Castillo working behind the plate the rest of the season. Geo might not be that bad at 3B. He wouldn’t be any worse defensively than Ramirez was. We then have Valbuena as our utility infielder who can spell Barney and Castro at 2B and SS when needed. Valbuena could also be a good match up hitter against righties when Sveum wants to get more left handed in his lineup.

    • Turn Two

      Soto would be much much worse than Ramirez defensively, it would not help his hitting because he’d go to bat thinking about his defense. He would be a very poor hitting 3rd baseman even if he did maintain his current numbers.

  • Njriv

    Sorry guys if someone has already asked this, but I don’t have enough time to scroll through the comments, but what are the scouting reports on Chris Withrow and Garret Gould and what are their ceilings and would it be a fair trade?

  • Cub Gone Wild

    I don’t think Theo is stupid enough to put himself in a situation where he has no starters left on the staff. That’s why I think someone like Franklin Morales comes back to the Cubs for Dempster. No way is Theo going to run Coleman and Volstadt out there as starters. These guys are dead in the water. Volstadt isn’t even a starter. He is a bullpen candidate and wouldn’t even be sniffing a starting job on any other team in baseball right now. Coleman is just awful to watch. If your going to start him then just forfeit that game and give the players a day off we would come out way ahead on that. You put Coleman and Volstadt in to pitch and you run through the bullpen like a two year old runs through a screen door. Then the bullpen gets murdered and their confidence and effectiveness goes to hell immediately. Those are lose lose situations that they don’t need to be getting into.

  • CityCub

    Brett, what’s the chances of if/when the cubs deal Dempster to a contender for a few prospects this year, that he returns to the cubs in 2013 via free agency? I kinda like the idea of “renting” him to a contender and seeing him returning next year, but what are the odds that actually happens?

  • Derrick

    If we could trade Garza and flip those prospects somehow for J. Upton..you do it and don’t think twice. The guy is a beast and will continue to be a beast for the next 10 years. He is having a down year but last year he was in MVP contention he is the type of player the Cubs need even though I know it wont happen just wishful thinking. Castro, Rizzo, Upton sounds amazing to me.

  • patrick

    Thanks Derrick sounds like we are in the minority though… I agree 100% as a cubs fan living in Phoenix!

    • EQ76

      I think we could get Upton in a package built around Brett Jackson.. maybe with Lake? Jackson becomes more expendable with Upton in the mix.

      • ETS

        AZ has made it clear they want “win now” players, not prospects. My guess is they are mostly looking for top caliber pitching (given how hot that offense has been).

        • patrick

          They want SS/3rd that can come in and play and devolop Castellones fits that mold beautifully and its been rumored that Dbacks and tigers have discussed a possible deal involving Nick.

  • Serious Cubs Fan

    Its Chris Reed type pitching prospect or bust on dempster trade. If we getting less caliber pitching prospect as chris Reed then the we didn’t win in the trade, or it won’t be a truly good return for the cubs. I mean anything back is a win but I will be disappointed if we get Gould (we have about 5 other arms like gould in our system). I want a guy who can be a #2-#3 rotation guy for Demp

  • Benny

    Possibly, the Dodgers may deal Nathan Eovaldi for Dempster. I like Nathan Eovaldi and I think he would be a nice fit. He has performed well at the big league level so far.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      Yep, this is where I would aim for.

  • oswego chris

    Here is why I feel you have to be blown away to trade Garza…in none of the deals so far have I seen any pitching prospect who has a ceiling as high as,,,Matt Garza…and two, Samadzija is one year younger than Garza, and is not as cheap as you might think…yet many consider him a cornerstone of our rotation…

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      No pitching prospects Theo has been discussing in trades for Garza match the upside of a #2 starter? How do you know that? I find that really hard to believe. I don’t expect any team to give up a #1 potential starter for someone who is coming in to be a 2nd or 3rd option. He will bring back a return, but he isn’t a number 1 for a playoff team.

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    Why do I get the vibe Gould is a Dillon Maples type of a prospect with the only difference being 1 year of age?

  • Cub Gone Wild

    I want Franklin Morales from the Red Sox in exchange for Dempster. Morales upside is huge and he is 26 and has big league experience and has been pitching quite well in his last 3 starts showing that he is coming along like Travis Wood has. He has awesome stuff.

  • http://bleachernation.com RicoSanto

    Offman is nuts.They will do better.There top 5 or 6 prospects are all pitchers.I agree with Bennie, Eovaldi,
    or Chris Reed. I would like both of them.But for Demp one of those and Gould.He has dropped to 10th best .prosect.Unless we could throw in Sori.but they want LaHair.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      We will not get 2 top ten prospects for Dempster. I would love it, but doubt it happens. He is a rental with no compensation at the end of the year. He has helped us out big time with his performance. Garza will bring back compensation. That is why he is so valuable.

      • andrew

        it could depend on the system you trade him to. Carlos Lee got two top ten prospects. It was a bad Marlins system but top ten. I think its really dumb to judge trades by the ranking in their system. I dont care how many of the White sox top 10 guys they offer for Garza, its not happening cuz all their prospects are junk.

        • JP

          Great, but disappointing article per fangraphs:
          http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/what-greinke-or-hamels-would-yield-in-a-trade/

          Trading your stud SPs at the deadline has produced very poor prospects (at the time, they looked like a good haul, but in reality they returned little to no major league value).

          I’m not saying we shouldn’t trade Demp and Garza…..just saying I hope Theo/Jed are better than the GMs over the last 4 years.

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