Lukewarm Stove: Ryan Dempster Chatter Increasing Rapidly

At Ryan Dempster’s start yesterday, despite the cliche, you really did have a sense that this was his last start of the year with the Cubs. Not just at Wrigley – with the Cubs. In other words, for reasons I’m not entirely sure I can articulate, I came into the game thinking there was a 50/50 shot Dempster made another start with the Cubs; I left the game thinking that was that last one.

And, sure enough, the trade chatter has picked up dramatically, to the point where Buster Olney, offering his educated guess, says he thinks Dempster is traded before his next start. You should probably start bracing yourself now.

Among the other Ryan Dempster rumors making the rounds…

  • Bruce Levine reports that there are 10 suitors for Dempster, which is unsurprising, given the relatively thin starting pitching trade market, and Dempster’s dominance this year. The suitors, as we’ve heard before, include Los Angeles Dodgers, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, New York Yankees, Chicago White Sox and Atlanta Braves.
  • Levine reminds us of one thing we should keep in mind as this process plays out: although Dempster has agreed not to directly block a trade via his no-trade rights, he does have an understanding with the Cubs that he will have input on where he winds up. So, it’s possible that the Cubs won’t be able to get the very tip-top dollar for Dempster (for example, if he prefers to go to Los Angeles, and they’re offering an acceptable deal, while the Orioles are offering a killer deal, but Dempster doesn’t want to go there). I do think Dempster will listen to the Cubs, though, and try to be OK with going to where they can get the best offer. He’s previously suggested the same.
  • Dave Kaplan reports that his sources tell him Dempster *will* be traded before his next start. He adds that the White Sox are not a legitimate suitor for Dempster (which I suspect is probably due to the asking price, and the Sox’s weaker farm system).
  • Buster Olney reports that the Cubs are looking to move Dempster soon, in part because they don’t want to damage the market for Matt Garza later this month (which makes sense – if you try to sell two guys at the same time, you’re partially competing with yourself).
  • George Ofman reports that the Cubs have at least two offers on the table for Dempster, from the Tigers (which he suggests is for lefty Casey Crosby (23-years-old, number 47 prospect in baseball according to Baseball America before 2010 season, great K numbers, elevated walk totals, pitching well at AAA right now)), and from the Dodgers (which he previously suggested was for Chris Withrow and Garrett Gould).

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197 responses to “Lukewarm Stove: Ryan Dempster Chatter Increasing Rapidly”

  1. nkniacc13

    I wouldn’t be shocked it he were dealt before Fri but I wish they’d keep him till his scoreless streak ended. Be interesting to see if Zach Lee were in play for Dempster if he goes to Dodgers.

  2. daveyrosello

    Add whatever is necessary–Barney, Vitters what have you–to get Castellanos from Detroit.

    1. nkniacc13

      they say hes not avaliable thou I think if you put Barney in a package with especially Garza you have to start with castellanos but im not sure the cubs can get him.

    2. @cubsfantroy

      Castellanos is not going anywhere. He is untouchable.

    3. gabriel

      Castellanos ain’t comin – the Tigers absolutely love him, and combine that with the fact their farm system has no one else of note offensively = he’s not going anywhere.

      There are TONS of prospects out there that we’ll be able to get that we should be just as happy with. I really believe our system is going to look scary good after Garza/Demp are dealt.

  3. Benny

    I really would hate to see Barney go. He’s done a good job for the Cubs and I’d like to see the Cubs hold on to him. I’d also like to see them hold onto Shawn Camp. He’s done a great job this year with the Cubs. If Camp goes, the Cubs bullpen becomes worse. I’d also hate to see Reed Johnson go. He is a great bench player and is valuable. He gives it his all every game. If Vitters is traded for Castellanos, who is likely going to be our third baseman for next year?

    1. nkniacc13

      I think it may well be Castellanos

    2. Gcheezpuff

      I might be wrong, but I believe Castellanos is more highly regarded and considered more ready for MLB than Vitters so the plan would be to make Castellanos the 2013 starting 3rd baseman. I don’t think the Cubs will deal both Garza and Barney to the Tigers unless Castellanos and Turner are coming back either.

    3. Whiteflag

      It’s always difficult to sell high, but now is the time to trade players like Camp and Johnson. Barney is a little different. He has potential to help this team down the road, when they are competing. Still if the offer is right, you have to trade him too. These players have been bright spots in a rough year, and unfortunately that means the cubs should trade them.

    4. ncsujuri

      Benny, what value does Camp have on a team that is going to finish at or near the bottome of the league?? I’ll answer my own question for you…NONE. Camp’s value to the Cubs right now is as a trade chip for a contender or a want to be contender who is willing to part w/ prospects that can help the Cubs in the future when we are fielding a team that will contend. Same goes for Johnson.

  4. nkniacc13

    Does anyone think that the Cubs will include minor leaguers in deals to try and get recieve better prospects?

    1. Gcheezpuff

      I think on rental players like Dempster you might have to with the new CBA.. I doubt Jed and Theo are against dumping prospects they aren’t high on if it increases the return. If I was making a trade for a rental I’d at least try to get a low level guy included since the draft pick is no longer an option.

  5. johnny kelroy

    Brett, obviously the Cubs need to be sellers and get what they can, while they can. However, I really do hate to see Dempster leave. What are the chances he possibly signs back with the Cubs for next year? Although they are rebuilding, IF you can get him for the hometown discount, wouldn’t he be a guy the organization would want around the new incoming young guys?

    1. PRcajun

      According to Levine, even some teammates believe Dempster would consider returning next year via free agency. I think plenty us (the fans) would like that considering what he’s done for the club over the last 9yrs, but I wonder what the FO would think. Team friendly deal?

      Also – as much as I appreciate what Reed and Camp have done for the Cubs, you gotta think that if an offer is made that yields anything then they’ll have to go for it. I don’t think it’s the same with Barney as they still have years of control at a relatively bargain price.

    2. Doug

      I asked Brett this same question last week. His response was that it’s possible but situations like that are very unusual.

  6. Benny

    Supposedly, Castellanos should be big league ready in 2014 while Vitters is expected to be big league ready by 2013.

    1. Gcheezpuff

      I think recent performance has accerated getting him to MLB. Last I heard the Tigers were planning to start playing him in RF and bring him up soon. If 3rd wasn’t blocked he’d probably be brought up to start there now.

  7. smotpoker

    Hopefully the Cubs could trade Dempster to the Dodgers for those 2 pretty decent arms. Its well worth losing him for 2 months. This will make the Tigers more desperate for Garza and will get us a better package. If we trade Demp to the Tigers now, who will we trade Garza to?
    I personally hope we send Lahair with dempster so we could possibly talk zach lee, while opening a spot for bjax.

    1. Shawn H

      Hopefully Toronto.

  8. theNOOGE

    I just realized Dempster is Canadian, how’ve I never heard this before?

    1. Atfinch

      Yeah, big time hockey fan.

    2. Bric

      Probably because he’s playing the U.S. since 1994 (or therabouts). In any case, if you’re thinking Toronto because of his Canadian heritage, he’s from B.C. which is the other end of the country and I don’t ever remember him mentioning anything about the Blue Jays. If anything, the team he probably watched as a kid was either the Mariners, Giants, or Dodgers (L.A. has a big following all the way up the Pacific coast).

  9. Dustin S

    Since it sounds like things are getting close, I just have to put in a word for what a great Cub Dempster has been. His foundation does wonderful things, he has always put 110% on the field, never griping, performing incredibly like has has lately, etc. And his Harry impersonation about had me in tears it was so funny. In his bad times he also took as much heat as anyone from the fans and has been a true Cub through it all.

    Also, on a personal note of the current Cub players I have met, he spent the most time talking with myself and my family, and he was incredibly down-to-earth. So for me he’s earned a place as one of my all-time favorite Cubs.

  10. Benny

    Suppose Vitters is traded, next year who will be our third baseman? Possibly Ian Stewart if the Cubs resign him. Hopefully not Luis Valbuena. I don’t consider him an everyday third baseman.

    If Barney is traded who will be our second baseman next year? Cardenas didn’t perform well with his brief stint at the major league level. Logan Watkins isn’t ready for the big league level yet. He probably needs to play in AAA next year.

    Finally if Camp goes, who’s going to fill his spot in the bullpen? The Cubs need other arms in the bullpen that can contribute and that can be trusted. So far the only two cubs relief pitchers that have contributed and can be trusted are Shawn Camp and James Russell. I’d say Manny Corpas but he has only apeared in 16 games so far. Justin Berg could possibly fill in in the bullpen. He just recovered from Tommy John Surgery. He will probably need some time in the minors to come back to form so he can’t be considered ready til next year. Alberto Cabrera and Jeff Belivaeu could be considered options in the bullpen next year

    1. Melrosepad

      For second I’d say put Cardenas in and actually give him a chance. Most of his time up here were 1 hit pinch hit tries and that is hard to do. For the bullpen, Jay Jackson is doing very well back there. I’d say we give him a shot of coming up and holding down a spot. Berg isn’t bad, but he is in the same boat as Mateo, coming back from injuries. I’d like to see them give Esmailin Caridad and Michael Bowden another shot at the bullpen. I think both of them could do well.

    2. Whiteflag

      The cubs aren’t going anywhere this year. They should be able to fill the bullpen internally. Second base might be a little more difficult. Finally, I’m not a fan of including vitters in a trade for Castellanos. I’m not ready to give up on vitters yet, I still think he has a good chance to be a quality major league player.

      1. Gcheezpuff

        I don’t think Vitters would be included unless the Tigers view him as a outfielder. 3rd is blocked for them so it really doesn’t make sense for them to want a 3rd base prospect just because they would be sending the Cubs Castellanos. I think the tigers need an outfielder and a 2nd baseman. Barney and either LaHair or BJAX would be more likely.

        1. Whiteflag

          I agree with that. Others have been including him, so I was just saying I wouldn’t want to let go of him for another third base prospect.

    3. art

      doesn’t stewart have a 2 yr ontract?

      1. Benny

        Next year he is arbitration elgibile.
        Look at this from baseball reference:
        SalariesSalaries may not be complete (especially pre-1985) and may not include some earned bonuses
        Year Age Team Salary Sources Notes
        2009 24 Colorado Rockies $404,000
        2010 25 Colorado Rockies $408,000
        2011 26 Colorado Rockies $2,287,500
        2012 27 Chicago Cubs $2,237,000
        2013 Status 2nd Year Arb Eligible (Super 2), Earliest Arb Eligible: 2013, Earliest Free Agent: 2015
        Career to date (may be incomplete) $3,099,500 Does not include future salaries

  11. Benny

    I hate Carlos Marmol. I hope he is not the closer for the Cubs next year. He is so inconsistent. Even when he gets the sav,e, he always runs into trouble.

    Tony Zych now in Tennessee could be considered a candidate for the closer in the future but he will probably need a little more minor league experience.

  12. Whiteflag

    Not sure. They announce it every time a hockey player signs the 7th inning stretch.

    1. Cubbie Blues

      Wouldn’t the organist have a hard time with his tempo if the stretch was signed? ;P

  13. Kyle

    I was a little disappointed when Dempster picked up his option last offseason. I was hoping to spend that money elsewhere. My bad, Ryan.

    We knew we were getting a haul for Garza eventually. But turning Dempster into a nice long-term piece is going to be a great example of the asset-building this season was supposed to be about.

  14. Cubs Dude

    It seems dealing Dempster to the Tigers would be the Cubs shooting themselves in the foot. I hope they deal Dempster to a team like the Dodgers that doesn’t have the prospects to trade for Garza. Demp would tear up the NL West, that’s a perfect place for him to go in a contract year.

    1. CityCub

      Where ever dempster ends up, i still hope the blue jays are interested in garza. I dont think ive heard too much about their interest in him tho.

      1. Cubs Dude

        I would love it if the Jays got involved for Garza, but they seem like they are in between and not a true buyer at this point.

        1. Shawn H

          They have been linked quite a bit to Garza. EspnChicago’s Doug Padilla says the Blue Jays, Yankees, Tigers, Rangers, Dodgers and Pirates all scouted Garza today. They are not looking at just this year.

  15. Benny

    Yes I think Vitters should be given an opportunity this year. What do the Cubs have to lose my calling him up? He should be given some time at third this year. Likely a September call-up. His defense still needs some work.
    Caridad doesn’t seem to have really good control. I agree that the Cubs should give Bowden a chance. Berg recovered from Tommy John pretty quickly. Berg had the surgery in mid september of 2011. He started pitching in Mid June. Jay Jackson isn’t doing “very well!”” His is 2-5 w/ a 6.09 era.

    1. Carew

      Jay Jackson doesnt look all that good because he was terrible as a starter. As a reliever, hes been great

      1. Benny

        Yes good point Carew. I stlll think he needs to improve his command.
        Jay Jackson as reliever: 0-0 1.61 era 13 g 28 ip 21 hits 5 runs 10 bb’s and 34 k’s
        as starter: 2-5 9.23 9 gs 40 ip 63 hits 43 r 20 bb’s 31 k’s

  16. RicoSanto

    Let LA Keep Zach Lee, we want Nate Eovaldi and Chris Reed. Demp does not want to go to the AL.Spot smoker is right. After Demp is traded this week. Let the open bids stat for Garza….Finally they will not trade Barney.The improvment he has made tis year will continue. Him and Castro play great defense together, being taught by Sveum . I would take Smyly and Castellanos for Garza. They could expand it with Vitters for another pitcer.

  17. calicubsfan007

    Luke or Brett: Is Crosby a reasonable guy for the Cubs to get in return for Demp? And could the Cubs call Crosby up this season?

    1. Luke

      Reasonable, sure. I suspect the Cubs could do a little better, but the main piece in any deal is going to be a Crosby type guy.

      He could come up this year, or the Cubs could let him develop some more. There’s a case to be made either way. He’s had some control issues in the past; the Cubs may keep him in Iowa until they feel he’s got a handle on things.

      1. Benny

        Luke but if Casey Crosby has control issues and isn’t as big league ready as Turner, then why don’t the Cubs focus mainly on getting Turner

        1. Crockett

          For Garza? Or Dempster?

          I cannot see a way that Dempster = Turner unless Jedstein have some very inappropriate photographs of Dombrowski.

          1. Benny

            Crockett I’m talking i’m talking in general.

  18. Benny

    If we just get Nathan Eovaldi from the Dodgers I’d be fine with that. I’m not sure that the Dodgers would offer Nathan Eovaldi and another pitcher. If they do that’s great.

  19. John (ibcnu2222)

    There has been a Ben Sheets sighting in Atlanta. If he continues to pitch well, that would probably take them out of the Dempster race.

  20. Benny

    Before Crosby gets called up, he needs to improve his command. He is walking too many hitters.

  21. CBP

    Crosby, Smyly, wilk, and Oliver for Barney, Russell and Dempster

  22. Benny

    Jacob Turner is more big league ready then Casey Crosby.

  23. Gcheezpuff

    Why does everyone think the tigers would want vitters? They would not trade Castellanos if they needed a near MLB ready 3rd baseman. 3rd is blocked for them, they need a 2nd baseman and an outfielder. Just because a team may deal you a 3rd base prospect doesn’t mean they expect one in return. If anything they’d be interested in Baez because he has a higher ceiling, but ETA would be more inline with when the Tigers have an opening at 3rd. Right now the tigers are trying to fill needs in the MLB roster.

  24. Acubslife

    Dempster/Garza/Barney

    For

    Turner/Castellanos/Crosby

    Would that work?

    1. EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      Not for us it wouldn’t.

    2. Benny

      Acubslfe iT’S not likely that Dempster and Garza get traded at the same time

      1. Acubslife

        You are right but I look at it this way. Demp for Crosby and Turner and Castellanos for Garza and Barney. how could we say no?

        1. Benny

          I don’t think both Crosby and Turner would be traded to Cubs for Dempster.

          1. nkniacc13

            th tigers ae 5 startesr they will likely look for an upgrade to trade Porcello in a deal as well

          2. Acubslife

            I guess I ment

            Demp for Crosby
            And
            Garza and Barney for Turner and Castellanos

        2. Luke

          Castellanos is not so good he’s worth Garza and Barney. He’s a nice prospect, but he’s not that nice.

          If Detroit were willing to trade him he’d form the key piece in a Garza deal, but he alone probably would not be enough to get that deal done.

          1. Boogens

            Thank you, Luke! Finally a voice of reason re: Castellanos’s value. I’d love to get him but we gotta keep in mind that he’s never done anything at the major league level while Garza has proven to be an effective playoff pitcher from the AL East. If something happens with Detroit for him it would be something like…

            Garza & Barney for Castellanos, Turner, somebody else & somebody else

            1. Bric

              That sounds about right. And if I were the Theocracy that’s exactly what I’d sayt. Or else Garza and Vitters straight up for Turner and Castellanos. Two options- tell them to pick one and take itor move on to the next team.

              But don’t go crazy and start throwing all kinds of names and options around or nothing will get done and you’ll have wasted another week before the deadline.

          2. Drew7

            I believe IF Castellanos is made available, Garza + Barney would be too much. However, while saying Castellanos by himself wouldnt be enough is true, that certainly doesnt mean those two would get him AND Turner.

            I’d be inclined to think Garza + Barney could net you an A-/B+, B, and a couple C/C+ prospects, but 2 guys that will probably be ranked in the top 25 next year? I just don’t see it.

            S/N: Luke, this wasnt a disagreement to your post as much as a blanket response to the convo.

            1. loyal100more

              i gotta say i think that barneys value to the team far exceeds where the league values him. hes D is outstanding and i believe his bat comes around in a pleasent way in a year or two. though i dont expect him to ever hit more than 10 homers or drive in more than about 70 runs in a perfect world, i dont think a career 300 hitter that plays gold glove D is a stretch at all… in fact i see him there very soon. lets keep barney!

              1. Whiteflag

                I’m with you on this one. Unless he brings back some amazing pieces, but like you said its unlikely. He has more value to the cubs.

        3. Whiteflag

          Probably not a good deal for either club. Cubs can will get a better return trading garza and dempster to two different teams.

  25. randy

    benny jay jacksons 6.09era is as a starter, jays era as a reliver is 1.89. jays fastball is faster as a reliver,i think i read it was 94 mph better slider and curveball

  26. Benny

    Randy thanks I just posted his stats
    Jay Jackson as reliever: 0-0 1.61 era 13 g 28 ip 21 hits 5 runs 10 bb’s and 34 k’s
    as starter: 2-5 9.23 era 9 gs 40 ip 63 hits 43 r 20 bb’s 31 k’s

    I think he just needs to work on his control

  27. Benny

    Hopefully Trey Mcnutt succeeds as a reliever

  28. RoughRiider

    Reading some of these trade suggestons I wonder if these are really Cub fans and if they are, do they really understand the value of a good starting pitcher ?

  29. smotpoker

    I feel the tigers will get VERY desperate at the deadline, seeing that they invested scary money in fielder, cabrera, verlander, etc. and that the white sox are legit this year. The tigers know this is their window of opportunity and they need to give up the prospects, or they’ll regret it

  30. EB

    Read today that Dempster and Garza have been on the Pirates radar. I would love to package Garza and LaHair for Taillon and Alen Hanson, although I doubt they would part with Taillon.

    1. Cyranojoe

      Can anybody explain the Pirates’ interest? They’ve gotten this far on the strength of their current arms — why would they add pitching rather than a few bats?

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