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At Ryan Dempster’s start yesterday, despite the cliche, you really did have a sense that this was his last start of the year with the Cubs. Not just at Wrigley – with the Cubs. In other words, for reasons I’m not entirely sure I can articulate, I came into the game thinking there was a 50/50 shot Dempster made another start with the Cubs; I left the game thinking that was that last one.

And, sure enough, the trade chatter has picked up dramatically, to the point where Buster Olney, offering his educated guess, says he thinks Dempster is traded before his next start. You should probably start bracing yourself now.

Among the other Ryan Dempster rumors making the rounds…

  • Bruce Levine reports that there are 10 suitors for Dempster, which is unsurprising, given the relatively thin starting pitching trade market, and Dempster’s dominance this year. The suitors, as we’ve heard before, include Los Angeles Dodgers, Cleveland Indians, Detroit Tigers, New York Yankees, Chicago White Sox and Atlanta Braves.
  • Levine reminds us of one thing we should keep in mind as this process plays out: although Dempster has agreed not to directly block a trade via his no-trade rights, he does have an understanding with the Cubs that he will have input on where he winds up. So, it’s possible that the Cubs won’t be able to get the very tip-top dollar for Dempster (for example, if he prefers to go to Los Angeles, and they’re offering an acceptable deal, while the Orioles are offering a killer deal, but Dempster doesn’t want to go there). I do think Dempster will listen to the Cubs, though, and try to be OK with going to where they can get the best offer. He’s previously suggested the same.
  • Dave Kaplan reports that his sources tell him Dempster *will* be traded before his next start. He adds that the White Sox are not a legitimate suitor for Dempster (which I suspect is probably due to the asking price, and the Sox’s weaker farm system).
  • Buster Olney reports that the Cubs are looking to move Dempster soon, in part because they don’t want to damage the market for Matt Garza later this month (which makes sense – if you try to sell two guys at the same time, you’re partially competing with yourself).
  • George Ofman reports that the Cubs have at least two offers on the table for Dempster, from the Tigers (which he suggests is for lefty Casey Crosby (23-years-old, number 47 prospect in baseball according to Baseball America before 2010 season, great K numbers, elevated walk totals, pitching well at AAA right now)), and from the Dodgers (which he previously suggested was for Chris Withrow and Garrett Gould).
  • http://bleachernation.com lou brock lives

    What is with all the Castellanos love ? Yeah the guy did real well in the Futures game and at high A ball this year but he is struggling right now at AA with 4 BB & 32 K in 132 AB’s. He also has only 12 extra base hits in 32 games with only 4 HR’s. My gut tells me he will be real good in a few years but not any better than our own Javier Baez or a few other young 3B candidates we currently have in our system,
    Let’s focus on positions of need in these deals we will make – a true lead off guy to play 2B or OF & a big time catcher who plays great D & can hit with some power & produce some runs. Also some young arms to replenish our pitching poor system.
    By the way LA GM Colletti was in Chicago this past week & spoke one on one with Cubs brass on proposed deal of Dempster. I do not have names but multiple players are involved from both sides. Word is Cubs will make decision in next 48 hours.

    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

      I think Kevin Goldstein said it…something like “If you judge a prospect by stats, then you wouldn’t need scouts”.

  • Whiteflag

    White Sox are a legit team. I just don’t think they have the farm to pull off the trade like brett/kaplan said. I see Dempster heading to the Dodgers and Garza to the Tigers.

    • nkniacc13

      I was thinking that Demp would be packaged with lahair in a deal but the more it sounds it looks like both may get traded but in different deals. I think Demp is the first move but im not sure if Garza, Lahair or Camp would be the next move. I also think Dempster trade has a value on what the Cubs ask for in a Garza trade especially as a floor for a trade and for what it is looking to get back in a deal

      • Whiteflag

        This all seems very plausible. We are all just speculating at the end of the day.I like idea of demp to the dodgers and garza to the tigers, but their a lot of possibilities.

  • Pete

    The trade I am hoping for is, considering how desperate they have become for starting pitching, is Demp to the Cards for Shelby Miller and whatever else comes with that. Miller was absolutely untouchable until this year. He has great stuff and was in everyone’s Top Ten at the start of the season and has struggled the last 3 months in AAA. St. Louis knows it has a short shelf life for this team, with its age and propensity for injuries, and the fanbase is becoming unhinged about the team’s recent play (listening to the unnerved fans is the tonic for living here). This is also an ideal situation for what Theo wants in trades, which is Demp is performing at a very high level and Miller is down. Could be Doyle Alexander for Smoltz, 25 years later.

  • Jackalope

    Random question: Would you rather have Soriano under contract through 2014 for $36 or ARod under contract through 2017 for $118?

    • Whiteflag

      I would choose Soriano.

    • Carew

      Soriano all day. He’s playing like he’s worth the money right now, and he ain’t a butthole

    • Featherstone

      That question isn’t even fair. Soriano isn’t worth 18mil per season until 2014, but he works so hard. Arod until 2017 makes Soriano seem like a steal.

  • nkniacc13

    It seems like they are willing to trade Turner or Crosby but Castellanos and their ss prospect are said to be untouchable.

  • smotpoker

    Why would we want Castellanos if we already have Baez, Lake, and Vitters?

    • nkniacc13

      Baez is likely 3 years away. Lake and Vitters may well be another year away and some people don’t think their game translates well in certain levels ie Vitters K rate.

    • baldtaxguy

      Good thought. I wonder as well that whether your 2014 3B comes from this trio. For 2013, I’d like to see a pain free Ian Stewart get a half-season of at bats and see where he’s at.

  • Jackalope

    For what it’s worth, Castellanos, in his age 20 season split between high A and AA, has nearly identical BB%, K% and isolated power that Vitters showed in his age 20 season split between the same levels. The only difference is that Castellanos had about a .100 edge on Vitters in BAPIP (batting average on balls in play).

  • Toby

    I’m not so sure about the Cubs giving up DB. After listening to Barney’s post-game interview, there is a nuance that never occured to me. Starlin and Darwin has a good chemistry in the field. He and Starlin provide good up the middle defense and I would hate to see the Cubs break up that chemistry.

    • MaxM1908

      I agree. I just did a quick calculation and Darwin is on pace this year to participate in 106 DPs, and have at most, 2 errors. The guy is a defensive monster with a gold-glove caliber range. His offensive numbers are not stellar, but I’m convinced that he will improve with each year in the league. Let’s remember he’s only 26 and just entering his hitting/power prime. He already has twice as many HRs as last year (granted, that’s 4 vs. 2) and he’s on pace to have more doubles and BBs, and fewer Ks than last year. I think that’s a good sign that he’s improving offensively. Maybe they want to cash in on his high trade value, but I think his value will be even higher at this time next year.

      • Bric

        So what you’re saying is this guy’s evolving…

        • Carew

          gotta catch ‘em all..

        • MaxM1908

          I can’t vouch for the origin of his species, but I think it’s no theory that he’s entering his prime.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    No way the Cardinals would trade Shelby Miller for Dempster. I think they will likely get more than the rumored Dodger package, the Dodger package was low, but Miller is worth more than top 3 or 4 Dodger prospects and they were talking mid level of the Dodger system. Crosby is more like it plus. Might get Miller in a multi-player package for Garza and Barney and a couple of the Cardinals top 10 pitchers and player to boot, but not Dempster. He’s 35 and a rental they just aren’t going to do that.

    • nkniacc13

      I agree I don’t think Demp gets Miller but remember 2 things 1. teams in the same divison remember to make it cost a bit more in a bidding war and 2. there aren’t a lot of sellers and will be fewer if Hamels and grenkie sign ext.

  • Patrick G

    Screw Castellanos! I want OLT. Rangers were at the game today which is a good sign, doubt we could get Olt though. Wouldn’t mind Garza to Texas or Toronto with their farm systems

    • Whiteflag

      I like Olt better too, but unfortunately I think Olt and Castellanos are staying put.

      • Shawn H

        Olt would be the guy I would want most. But as you say, he likely stays put. Detroit would bring back a close to MLB ready pitcher. The Jays offer the better upside pitchers. Dempster to Detroit or the Dodgers and Garza going to Toronto. That is the best possible outcome for me.

  • http://www.worldseriesdreaming.com dabynsky

    I would be jumping for joy if we could turn Ryan Dempster into Casey Crosby. That would be an amazing deal for a couple months of a guy that can’t get compensation for at the end of the season. If they can do better I would be stunned.

  • jim

    I “do” believe that THEO is on he “right” track.
    Right now, the CUBS infield looks really good.
    The big thing will be some very good young
    pitchers. I sincerely believe that next year
    will be “very” exciting on the NORTH SIDE
    of town. RYAN DEMPSTER “deserves”
    to go to a team that has a chance of making
    to the WORLD SERIES! I am sure that every
    CUBS fan wishes RYAN the best & we will
    ALL pull for him!

    • Brady

      Yup have him go win a ring so he can come back and help us compete next season.

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    demp= a prospect this year+ a team friendly deal in FA in the off season. love this guy, so happy to see him pitch sooo well! hope dempster gets a WS ring and than brings in back to chicago next year so rizzo and the young cubbies can get a wiff of championship glory. in a perfect world i guess

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    demp= a prospect this year+ a team friendly deal in FA in the off season. love this guy, so happy to see him pitch sooo well! hope dempster gets a WS ring and than brings in back to chicago next year so rizzo and the young cubbies can get a wiff of championship glory. in a perfect world i guess!!

  • Serious Cubs Fan

    I would rather take a supplemental draft pick for dempster then the crap (Even though it may be decent pitchers) the dodgers and Tigers are trying throw at us for demp. Gould is overrated (no wow in his arm, solid but not great) and Chris Withrow is not impressive either. They seem more like spare back end of the rotation parts to me. The Tigers offer Crosby is a little better, he has tools to be a solid starter but he has a limited ceiling and not projecting to be anything special. I would rather take my chances with a more risky high upside arm we could get in the sandwich round

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      Im hoping with all the competition with 10 teams in the mix now the Dodgers and Tigers will step up their offers for Demp. They definitely didn’t blow anyone away with their first offers. I’m really hoping we could at least get a player of the dodgers Chris Reed’s caliber for dempster. I really just want the cubs to package Lahair and Demp together and get a really good return

    • Jeff

      Just remember that many teams are in on Dempster and the job of a good GM is to pit teams against one another to get them to put the best prospect in the deal. Let’s be patient and see how good Theo and Jed are.

      • Serious Cubs Fan

        Lets just hope they can get more for demp, because those offers were really unimpressive to me and a whole lot of other people. The way Demp is playing he his played his way into me thinking the Cubs should get a top 5 prospect in a decent farm system. (Crosby would most likely not be considered top 5 in the Tigers system anymore. He is more around the 7-10 range now. And Gould and Withrow would probably rank in the 7-10 as well. Just really not the type of value look for in exchange for a quality pitcher like Dempster. If thats the best we can do (which I think the return will be better) I will extremely disappointed with what we get back. I emphasize these guy are decent pitching prospects but are more of the spare parts at the back end of the rotation types. And the Cubs have quite a few projectable back end of the rotation type guys in their farm system already, but we hardly have any top end of the rotation pitchers if any.

        • MaxM1908

          Yeah, but you really have to take into account that the trade would only be for 3 months of Dempster’s career, and you wouldn’t even receive a compensation pick if he decides not to resign. Is that really worth the entire low cost-controlled prime of a top prospect? Maybe, but I think it’s really tough to get another GM to swallow that.

  • Cubs5050

    I know it the best for the team to deal Demp. But, I really dont want to!

    • Cubs5050

      I do understand he might be back next year

  • Cub Gone Wild

    Well I hope that we can get back a pitcher who can step in this year and pitch every 5 days and keep us in ball games. Aside from getting a 3B and an outfielder to replace LaHair when he gets traded I like our defense. I think we can upgrade our bench by replacing Mather and Baker. I think this team is starting to show what it’s capabilities are. I hate to see it taken too far down. I’m confused about this trade stuff. I wish it all would have happened when they weren’t playing well. Now it feels like they should keep this band together and make some tweeks to the engine not do an overhaul.

  • Cub Gone Wild

    I think that of the 10 teams supposedly interested in Dempster. 7 are just hanging around the fringe of the fire pit. These teams that are out front may get hood winked by one of the 7 hanging back in the weeds. Seems that has been the M.O. this year. Just when you least expect it somebody like the A’s throw the hammer down. So IMO the teams we are thinking about and the prospects everyone is talking about aren’t the ones that end up wearing our pinstripes. I don’t want to see Dempster or Garza traded. I don’t think that has to happen for us to get better. But it will.

  • Cub Gone Wild

    I agree with Serious Cubs Fan. I don’t want any of these Detroit Tigers guys who aren’t good enough to get into the Majors on their team. If they were great pitchers the why don’t they just bring them up and let them pitch now. No they won’t do that because they aren’t that good. You don’t trade a Stakes Winner for a bunch of $5000.00 Claimers just because they are coming in second all the time. To Hell With That.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    There’s a big difference between Dempster and Garza. Garza is under 30, affordable through 2013 and the team acquiring him will either sign him or get draft compensation. Dempster is 35, a rental player and his best is likely behind him. I think you have to be realistic. If the Dodgers were talking Reed and Gould that’s pretty fair. Crosby and another prospect wouldn’t be bad either. Garza on the other hand is going to bring a lot more in terms of quality. Frankly the Cardinals line up pretty well in terms of a group of excellent pitching prospects if the Cubs want to get creative and throw in Barney.

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      What are talking about Demps best is behind him? Yes he is 36 and a rent a player but he has 1.86 ERA! Its not like he has a marginal 3.55-4.00 ERA. The guy is a pitcher you get to win now. Who ever get Demp is getting a big piece for this year, and its like they are getting a big name free agent for the next 3 months and for a playoff run. Its not like your getting chop liver. The guy is going to be a backbone of someones rotation. I understand he won’t be like getting Greinke or Hamels but he is still a very good pitcher for at least the rest of this season and he is definitely worth more then what the Dodgers and Tigers first offers were. I understand we won’t get a top prospect for him but we deserve more then spare part prospect pitchers for him. Thats what they are, no matter how you look at it. Yes those prospects have a chance to get to the majors but none have the type of arms to be even a #2 or even #3 type starter. If the Dodgers offered Chris Reed that would be a different case, he and someone else would be a more suitable return. In the case of Tigers offer of Crosby, it seems like they would need to give up him and another prospect of better or equal value to him also maybe such as Andy Oliver or Bruce Rondon. I’m over valuing demp. He is clearly not worth Jacob Turner or Nick Castellanos or Zach Lee but he is worth more then the players the Tigers and Dodgers were offering. I think reasonably Dempster is worth a pretty good pitching prospect such as Chris Reed and anything more is a bonus. Chris Reed has the potential to be a very solid #3 prospect, a guy who isn’t a world beater but is definitely no bum marginal back of the rotation pitching prospect.

  • Cub Gone Wild

    We assume Dempster would go to Detroit. Have you been to Detroit. Detroit sucks… I veto a trade to Detroit if I’m Dempster. There defense sucks moose nuggets. At least we have a good defense. No … I think Dempster has a short list of teams he will go to. And those teams are in cities where they have very good hospitals just in case something happens to his daughter. I’ll bet that is in the forefront of his mind. And I’m sure his wife has a thing or too to say about where they go. My wife wouldn’t let me take a job in Detroit. If I told her honey we are going to Detroit. I would be picking myself up off the ground after being hit in the back of the head with a can of frozen orange juice or something. People don’t move to Detroit !!!

    • Serious Cubs Fan

      Ok to be fair Detroit isn’t an entire a shit hole. For about a 4-5 city block radius of downtown its nice it ok/niceish. And come on now the hospital thing? It isn’t like Detroit is lacking competence in the medical profession there. That is a very large city and I’m sure they have plenty of good doctors there but I do agree I might veto a detroit trade personally because Detroit does kind of blow. For the most part Detroit looks like a nuclear bomb went off and the building are still standing and people still living there. Not a complete shit hole but just most of it

    • djriz

      This really is a moot point. Demp is going somewhere for 3 months. Doubt he moves his family for that. I’m sure Detroit has good hotels he can live in. Maybe he could live with Prince!

      • JoeyCollins

        Prince is from Minneapolis. He could live with kid rock, or eminem, maybe even robocop, but unless the twins get in the mix I don’t think he will be crashing on princes couch.

  • Sam

    Hate to see Ryan go, and I am hoping his new team does not lock him up and the Cubs can get him back after this season.

  • calicubsfan007

    I really think it is a bad idea to trade Barney. If we can get a decent return, I won’t be as skeptical, but I would still be skeptical. I can’t really think of anyone in the Cubs organization that would be able to replace him immediately. And I don’t want to even imagine that we keep Baker, because that could mean that he would be an everyday starter then. Threw up a little in my mouth a little there…

    • calicubsfan007

      Remove the second “a little”. Stupid lack of edit button, I miss that button…

  • Zack L

    I know this isn’t on topic, and well its never going to happen unless gods wrath happens to every team…But the odds went up for playoffs haha.

    http://www.sportsclubstats.com/MLB/National/NLCentral/Cubs2.html

  • calicubsfan007

    Just some Garza trade update here: Per MLB Trade Rumors.com, this game that Garza pitched was scouted by Yanks, Blue Jays, Rangers, Tigers, Dodgers and Pirates. Nice time to pitch a beauty, Garza. (=

    • Pat

      Yeah, but another pitiful attempt at throwing to first. I’m really starting to think the return for Dempster will better than for Garza.

      • Serious Cubs Fan

        There is no possible way the return for demp will be more then Garza. ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE. garza extra year of control, younger, and brighter future. But I do agree over the last few starts have raised dempster value on the trade market a little bit

      • calicubsfan007

        We need to get a designated fielder/ thrower for Garza, agree?

        • Whiteflag

          That would be nice.

  • Grige

    Will Myers, Ryan lavarnway, and nick castellanis should all be considered deeply by theo and Jed.. They fit well with system.

  • Whiteflag

    Anyone else excited to see Ben Sheets pitching again?

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      Yeah great to see him come back strong. Good thing we don’t play the Braves again. He was always a Cub killer.

      • Whiteflag

        Very true. Glad the Braves picked him up.

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Castro is a Cub. He will be a Cub for a very long time. Any talk about his defense should be dead by now. One slump in his career isn’t the end of the world. A .289 avg for a 22 year old kid who’s played in every game this year, started all but one is great in my opinion. I Actually think he is slumping because he’s trying to be more selective and take more walks. I have no problem with that at all… Another note to make is that Castro and Barney appear to have chemistry through the roof right now… For anyone wanting to trade him I’ll say one thing… HE’S 22 YEARS OLD! YOUNGER THEN RIZZO! Take a second to remember at the age of 22 he has 2 all star appearances and led the NL in hits last year. He will continue to develop plate discipline, power and knowledge for the game. He will also learn how to be a better leader seeing as he already is one. I hate to make comparisons but Castro will be the Cubs version of Derek Jeter. Enough said=)

  • Leroy K.

    Even though everyone saw this coming, I seriously think I’m going to cry. Dempster has been with this organization for so long, it’s going to seem weird him, not being there. Alright Theo/Jed make the right decision. We better get at least silver back with this move.

  • Tony

    Dempster needs to net a top 2 prospect in someone’s system for the way he’s pitching. Getting a top of the line rotation arm at this time of the year will cost a pretty penny. I don’t see a few prospects. I see a top 25 kid coming to Chi-town. Theo is too smart.

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