Matt Garza was just pulled, out of nowhere, from his start against the Cardinals. There wasn’t an obvious injury, but he was pulling on his forearm a bit. He didn’t look too happy to be pulled, and he was pitching quite well.

Your immediate assumptions are (1) injury, or (2) trade. Hopefully if it’s number 1, this is just a precautionary type of thing.

Obviously this is a developing story, so we’ll have more as soon as it comes out.

UPDATE: All the beat writers say it “appears” that the removal was injury related. I’m trying not to panic, because it certainly didn’t look serious.

UPDATE 2: If it is an injury (heaven forbid, and let’s hope it’s just cramps), there’s no real reason to be mad at the Cubs. Unlike the Dempster situation, there was no reasonable excuse for holding Garza back tonight. We’ve no reason to believe a trade was close, and Garza actually could theoretically improve his value slightly. This, if it proves to be an injury, was just really, really, really bad luck.

UPDATE 3: I’m allowing myself a little bit of panic. Even if the removal was merely precautionary, and even if it’s just cramps, if you’re a team considering giving up two or three of your very best prospects for Garza, aren’t you having second thoughts right about now?

UPDATE 4: It’s not a trade, according to sources. Now we just have to hope it’s not a serious injury. Like, we have to hope it’s cramps so light that Garza thinks it’s insane that he was pulled.

UPDATE 5: By the way, the only reason it takes this long to announce the injury is because the front office wants to make sure they describe the circumstances PERFECTLY.

UPDATE 6: He was pulled due to “cramping in the right triceps.” The Cubs took x-rays as a precaution (x-rays?), they were negative, and he’s listed as day-to-day. He’ll soon be re-evaluated. Obviously this will be a HUGE story over the next few days.

  • Evenbetternewsv2.0

    Well son of a cardinal

  • someday…2015?

    On the brightside Germano is looking good as a fill in starter.

    • cubs4life

      agreed.. he actually is pitching pretty well, has some really good movement on his pitches.

  • someday…2015?

    Phewwwww, huuuuuuge sigh of relief!!!

  • bluekoolaidaholic

    I bet it’s gonna be “forearm tightness” and a long explanation of how it is for precautionary
    measures only.

  • Brian Peters

    I friggin’ hate the Cubs about now. Pull the damn trigger on either Gar or Demp!!!! Or both!!!! If you are determined to rebuild, do it!

  • someday…2015?

    Wow, what a rollercoaster ride these last two games have been. From Demp starting and “starting” bad to this minor injury. No more speed bumps please!!

  • Dumpgobbler

    Xray? Who cares about an Xray? How about an MRI?

    • Brett


      • Dumpgobbler

        Oh yes. Hopefully its just true cramps or something.

      • Crockett

        Actually, you can tell if it’s a torn muscle by an X-Ray. The soft tissue DOES show slightly and you can see large tears or muscle rearrangements.

  • Fastball

    Trade LaHair for something. A hot bat girl would do it. Valbuena is playing one hell of third base.

    • Carew

      Hes been a great pickup so far

  • TonyS

    How accurate are the pitch locations on MLB gameday? The cards seem to be getting a lot of hits on pitches outside the zone. Frustrating.

    • Brett

      Sometimes very, sometimes not. Depends on the ballpark, I think.

  • Kevin

    If this is not serious any team interested in Garza would want a clean bill of health so I would be surprised if an MRI hasn’t already been performed.

  • DaveS

    Boy I am wishing they left Germano in alittle longer.

  • someday…2015?

    Brett, say Matt needs a MRI and it’s just cramps. What are the chances Garza goes to the DL with a minor cramp and ends all hope of a trade before the deadline?

    • hansman1982

      If its a minor cramp then 0% chance. They’ll give him iv fluids shove a couple bananas and a dark beer down his throat and send him on his way.

  • Shawon O’Meter

    Three words sum up the reactions to the Garza incident tonight: embarrassing, selfish, and disrespectful. Extreme fanaticism bordering on psychosis and a heavy dose of perspective is the only remedy. Baseball is a beautiful game that is meant to be enjoyed!

    • Carew

      Well put, sir

  • Tom

    Ugh ! The Cubs had a run going. Now we play our key rivals and all this trade talk takes away our focus. I blame these two losses on management and the manager !!! Dempster was not ready for the first inning yesterday. Garza not properly prepared/hydrated and cramps. Hey new management — a win over versus the Cardinals is like 2 other wins. Stop messing with the team and let them play baseball. The best way to improve is to learn how to win. Dog-gone it, looks like two losses to the darn Cardinals.

  • notcubbiewubbie

    the curse of jim hendry continues please huury up and trade everybody so we can start rebuilding and losing again.

  • João Lucas

    My God. Reed Johnson on wheelchairs woulde be a better defensive outfielder than LaHair.

  • Wester

    Well let’s have some fun with it at least. It got out of hand when _________ happened.

    • someday…2015?

      When… Russel was given the ball.

  • Cubs Dude

    And this is why you don’t pitch Demp last night. This is pretty frustrating.

    • Carew

      What does Demp have to do with this? This was an unfortunate injury for Garza, followed by good Cubs debut for Germano, followed by the craptastic Russell and bullpen

      • Cubs Dude

        I think it’s pretty obvious. You don’t want shit like what happened to Garza to happen to Demp when by all accounts the Cubs are very close to moving him.

        • Carew

          I find these two situations different. Demp is close but we dont know anything about Garza other than interest.

          People are puttin too much into rumors and trading. I understand its a necessity but its driving some people crazy. I dont mean you specifically brother

      • notcubbiewubbie

        what if he gets injured garza has value dempster is an over rated 35 yr old pitcher. hurry up and trade him please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Dumpgobbler

    I’d very much like to put this very game behind me. This was a bad game on so many differen’t levels.

  • Tom

    12 runs — 12 runs — 12 runs — and to the darn Cardinals of all teams. This is one disappointing summer night for Chicago. I may take tomorrow off and not watch. So frustrating to see a team play so poorly after playing so well.

  • Cubs Dude

    What in the hell happened to LaHair? I know he’s old as sh#t for a prospect, but what the hell happened to that guy? How do you go from the best hitter in the league to absolute garbage in a matter of weeks? Is it really as simple as pitchers learning to pitch to him? He is pretty much worthless at this point, and probably has zero trade value.

    • Cheryl

      He’s lost his confidence. He probably doesn’t know where he stands and because he was placed in the position of being moved from first to the outfield and not playing regularly he hasn’t adjusted. This is more than him not hitting lefties. I don’t believe Sveum has handled the situation well. A player with more experience in the majors can probably handle being put in and out of the lineup on an irregular basis. But this is new to LaHair. He is an older rookie, but he’s still a rookie.

    • Drew7

      Huge hole in his swing. The guy was walking a tightrope early on with an astronomical Hr/Fb rate and SO rate, being held up mostly by that ridiculously high BABIP.

      LaHair is showing exactly why teams never gave him a shot: he’s a platoon-hitter with no good defensive position. Lucky for him, he hits RHP extremely well.

      Its a great story, but I think most of us knew this was coming (although I didnt think it will come this far this fast).

      • Cheryl

        Just saw a couple of articles on LaHair and Sveum and there are some instances when Sveum’s encouraged LaHair. But unless LaHair turns it around I don’t see much future for him.

        • Drew7

          I wouldnt say he doesnt have a future, he’s just not the player he showed early on. 2/3 of the pitching in baseball is of the RH variety; if you can be successful at the plate against them, you will find a job.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      In all likelihood, nothing has happened to LaHair. His early “hot” streak was largely due to a ridiculously high BABiP (i.e., luck). Yes, the HR have fluxed: but that is always the case in a process like baseball, where the successes are infrequent and partially due to non-random extrinsic factors such as opponent pitching, etc.

      If you put LaHair in the lineup 110 times a year, then you’ll probably get 25 (plus minus) HR, with a few stretches where he seems to crank one out every other game and other stretches where the HR seem few and far between. That’s just the nature of probabilistic processes.

    • The Dude Abides

      that’s why is is as old as hell for a prospect. he strikes out about 40% of the time and he can’t hit lefties. now he doesn’t have a position. this all star is done with the cubs. absolutely has no place on the team other than a pinch hitter and spot starter. last 30 days he has 1 HR and 3 RBI’s. nice story i guess but if it was a returning player the pitch forks would have been out long ago.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Well, LaHair could have been a useful MLBer years ago if he hadn’t been in the Mariner’s organization. The M’s are (or were) a classic “old-school” team filled with people who think that WAR is something that liberals protest and that xFIP is a new computer game. They wanted “complete” players: i.e., good fielders, no huge splits on lefty-righty matchups, etc. The Ms wound up playing a lot of guys who were more “balanced” in their game or much better fielders than LaHair: but who (as any stathead would have told them) also contributed a lot less to winning than playing LaHair 4-5 times a week….

        (Just look at the production the M’s got from first, LF and even DH and then ask yourself: why weren’t they starting LaHair against RHP????)

  • Ramy16

    How in the fuck can you go from pitching 7 brilliant innings and give it up to our weak ass bull pen.. The only good thing going for tomorrow is seeing put beloved Ron Santo getting inducted into the Hall Of Fame which should have been done along time ago which I believe many of you can contest to that! Theo and Jed need to shore up out bull pen! If they make a trade hope they also get some bill pen help! Our relief pitching is horrible!

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    Sorry, but not buying the reinsurance of x-rays. You don’t x-ray a cramp, you get a MRI. Why am I suddenly more concerned?

    • hansman1982

      I’m guessing X-ray machines are common at stadiums wereas MRI machines are not. No need to panic.

      • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

        Regardless of what they have, there would never be a need to radiate any individual unless someone thought there was a bone issue. All you can see in X-rays is soft tissue, and bone. I have never heard of a cramp affecting these. They do have wands that have enough magnetic force that can give a good MRI. You don’t need the big tunnel of an MRI as much unless it is a back or neck issue. Obviously those are far more accurate as they penetrate deeper. This is a subject I know something about, and I can’t see why 1. They would say openly that a X-ray showed no damage. There is nothing that would proved. That is my reason for concern that wasn’t there before. 2. With digital technology of MRI and Xray, the images appear as quickly as they are taken. A MRI of an arm would take no more than 10 min. A X-ray takes at most 10 sec. It isn’t like you can’t get the results back and have them read in an inning. So, if you took the time to get an X-ray (still no reason to take one for the reasons they listed) you would have taken the time to have taken a MRI and have it read by the 7th inning. Sorry, that is my conspiracy theory, and sometimes it is best to not understand the equipment being used and its uses. I do have a real good understanding of both and the time it takes to read them. I personally am worried that it is a strain.

        • Crockett

          Actually, an Xray can be used to rule out soft tissue damage as in a muscle tear, etc. Various diagnostic exams by a trainer could be used, with an MD on speaker or video chat to determine the necessity of a further exam and likelihood of a more significant injury. Calm down.

          Im an orthopedic PA. You’re overthinking this.

  • #1lahairfan

    Espn: Dodgers are now interested in Garza.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      I prefer what the Royals could offer. Seems like they really want to go for it next year.

  • Brad

    “Yeah we want your best prospects for garza”. “Garza? You mean the guy who lasts 6 innings at most if he doesn’t get hot flashes?”….

    That’s what I see in the dialogue between Epstein&Co and the dodgers, angels, redsox, blue jays and rangers. Jeez…. Between this and the Dempster start last night it’s just sent me over the edge. This is my first post, ive been checking bnation every 10 min literally since, god knows year ago or so…. Sorry to rant…

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    I think we all need a breather after the last couple of days (ok months… ok years).

  • A.J.

    I hope Garza is faking and is on the dl after the deadline and they sign him to a new deal. Trade Demp for the best deal and resign him in free agency. The starters are not the problem! I would love to see Garza and Demp on the cubbies in 2013 with some free prospects.