After days (weeks (months)) of rumors and speculation, today the Chicago Cubs finally pulled the trigger on a Ryan Dempster trade. He goes to the Atlanta Braves, according to’s beat writer for the Braves, Mark Bowman. There were multiple reports moments ago that the deal was close, and it looks like it’s happening.

Bowman suggests that Randall Delgado could be part of the return, but he isn’t sure yet. Obviously, that would be an insane return as I’ll explain later, if it actually comes to fruition.

I’ll be updating this post obsessively as we learn more.

UPDATE 1: David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal Constitution acknowledges that the deal is happening, and says the Braves believe they’ve got a shot to sign Dempster to an extension, given his history with Fredi Gonzalez and Frank Wren back with the Marlins.

UPDATE 2: While I have a moment, I’ll say I’d be pleasantly shocked if this is a straight up Dempster (and cash) for Delgado deal. At 22, Delgado is already an average-ish pitcher in the bigs, and, coming into the season was the 41st ranked prospect in all of baseball according to Baseball Prospectus. Baseball America had him at 46. Even if his stock has fallen a bit this year, that would be an absolute coup.

UPDATE 3: Ken Rosenthal joins the chorus saying it’s a done deal. Still no word on financial details or total package.

UPDATE 4: Dave Kaplan offers the first confirmation from the local guys. He adds that he hears the Cubs made a “great deal” to get young pitching. He’s working on finding out the “names.”

UPDATE 5: For what it’s worth on Delgado – again, we don’t know yet whether he’s included – Kevin Goldstein says he would no longer have Delgado in his top 50 prospects (and not just due to graduation to the bigs). He still thinks Delgado would be a heck of a return for Dempster, though.

UPDATE 6: Keith Law reports that the deal DOES INCLUDE RANDALL DELGADO and money going to the Braves, but he adds “if the deal is completed.”

UPDATE 7: Kevin Goldstein confirms that Delgado is in the deal, and that Cubs fans should be thrilled. Oh, we are, Kevin. We are (squeeeeeeeaaaal).

UPDATE 8: Goldstein adds that Delgado’s ceiling is as a number three, but keep a few things in mind: he’s considered a somewhat “safe” three, as in, he’s modestly likely to reach that ceiling. Also, a “three” doesn’t necessarily mean the third best pitcher on an average team. It’s some kind of scouting thing, and many guys who are the second best pitcher on their teams are considered a “three.”

UPDATE 9: I’m going to save further thoughts on Delgado, specifically, for a separate post once various pundits have weighed in – I’d say you can already tell my gut reaction, though (did I mention SQUEAL!?!?). Something else great about this deal: the high return on Dempster theoretically makes the high asking price on guys like Garza and Maholm even more reasonable. That’s a very good thing. Further, the Braves weren’t rumored to be in on either Garza or Maholm, so the Cubs didn’t hurt their market. So far, there’s, like, nothing but awesomeness about this deal.

UPDATE 10: Kaplan, who earlier confirmed the deal, now says it is NOT a done deal. A source tells him only that “talks are ongoing.” Hopefully it’s just a matter of crossing some t’s. Goldstein adds that he now also hears the deal is not finalized, but guesses it’s just a formality. Keep in mind, if there’s a bunch of money coming from the Cubs, there usually has to be approval from the Commissioner’s Office. That can take time.

UPDATE 11: Dempster’s official Twitter says the following: “THERE IS NO TRADE dont know where this info came from!” If this trade falls through, it will be the worst mis-report in the history of trades. Keep in mind, that account usually only tweets Dempster Family Foundation stuff, and is not really Dempster, himself.

UPDATE 12: Kaplan suggests the hold-up is the Ryan Dempster approval. Kap doesn’t say it isn’t forthcoming, but says it hasn’t been given yet. Makes you wonder whether Dempster is holding out for an extension from Braves.

UPDATE 13: If you saw that Joe Sheehan tweet and crapped your pants, you aren’t alone. Fortunately, it was a joke. If you don’t know what I’m talking about, good. It was a terrifying 30 seconds.

UPDATE 14: Dempster has arrived at the Cubs’ clubhouse in Pittsburgh, so I’m sure he’s about to be deluged with questions. And he’ll probably say very little.

UPDATE 15: No surprise, Dempster declines to talk to the media, only joking that, “if it’s on the Internet, it must be true.” Clearly the deal has been agreed upon, but is pending either Commissioner approval or Dempster approval (or both). Dempster could be trying to leverage an extension here, which could partly explain the Cubs’ great (theoretical) return.

UPDATE 16 (seriously, 16 updates? Never a good sign): Phil Rogers agrees with my take, figuring that the reporting has simply gotten out in front of the formalities. The leak obviously came from the Atlanta side.

UPDATE 17: Kap has spoken with Delgado’s agent, who – predictably – says they’ve heard nothing about a deal. Unfortunately, Delgado would have been the last to hear, and would have heard directly from the team, but that’s not how the modern era of reporting works.

UPDATE 18: With the game looming, we might not hear anything more on this until tonight or tomorrow. Which, I know, is exactly what you don’t want to hear.

UPDATE 19: Bob Nightengale says Dempster is, indeed, the hold-up, and everyone is just waiting on him to give his approval. It could be that he’s trying to get an extension from the Braves first, or it could be that, literally, word of the trade leaked before the Cubs had a chance to confirm with Dempster (having previously talked to him, and learned that he’d be “open” to a trade to the Braves). Also, random, but Len Kasper has tweeted a goodbye of sorts to Dempster, but it was two hours ago, and that might as well be from March.

UPDATE 20: Dale Sveum told the media that he spoke with the front office, and they said no deal was ever in place, and it’s not just a matter of getting Dempster’s sign-off. Maybe that’s true, but the front office obviously has a reason to say that – if the deal isn’t done, they don’t want to screw it up, or maybe they wouldn’t hate another team jumping in at the last minute.

UPDATE 21: On the Braves’ side, manager Fredi Gonzalez says he knows what we know (“well, a little bit more”), and that we’re in a “holding pattern.” To me, that sounds like a Dempster approval issue, but who knows at this point.

UPDATE 22: I keep hoping each update will be the last. This might be worthless if things don’t take a positive turn, but Bob Nightengale says there are two players coming to the Cubs if the deal gets done.

UPDATE 23: Ken Rosenthal hears that the issue isn’t Dempster wanting an extension, but instead is Atlanta insisting on one, and Dempster not really wanting to execute one. I’m not sure I buy that theory, if only because the leak of the deal came from Atlanta’s side. If they weren’t sure Dempster was going to agree to an extension that they required, why would they leak a completed deal? To put pressure on Dempster to sign the extension? Why would that work? I hope it’s not a situation where the Cubs have agreed to two deals with the Braves: (1) if Dempster signs extension, the Cubs get Delgado; (2) if Dempster doesn’t sign extension, Cubs get lesser prospect(s).

UPDATE 24: David O’Brien reports on things from the Atlanta side, expressing the surprise of some sources that a deal hadn’t been announced yet. They don’t seem to know what the holdup was, as the Atlanta media – if not the Braves, themselves – assumed Dempster would gladly approve a deal to the Braves. And Rosenthal adds that he’s got a source telling him the Braves are still confident a deal gets done.

UPDATE 25: This is the update where things descend into madness. Jon Heyman reports that, now, the trade is only 50/50 to be completed. Funny thing: the source saying it’s 5o/50 doesn’t know what the holdup is. So, somehow he knows it’s only 50/50 now, but doesn’t know why?

UPDATE 26: Bruce Levine reports that, as we’ve pretty much known for a while now, the deal has been agreed to by the Cubs and Braves, but the teams are just waiting for sign-off from Dempster.

UPDATE 27: Phil Rogers doesn’t agree with Jon Heyman’s 50/50 prognosis, and instead still thinks the deal gets done. Phil takes a stab at what happened: the Braves jumped the gun on letting the news out, believing that the Cubs already had Dempster’s thumb’s up on the deal (which, if true, could have been the Braves’ fault for misunderstanding, or the Cubs’ fault for mis-communicating). Dempster was blindsided by all of this, and was pretty pissed off. Thus, Dale defends his player (and the Cubs) by saying things like the story was “fabricated.” Hopefully that’s all true, and hopefully the Cubs can smooth things over with Dempster. I would certainly understand being pissed, but I couldn’t understand letting this torpedo the deal.

UPDATE 28: Kevin Goldstein cites a source who says there’s a 24-hour moratorium on deals involving players with 10/5 rights (I guess on the belief that you don’t want teams pressuring a guy on the spot – this way, he’s guaranteed to get 24 hours to think about it), so, if the deal is presented to Dempster for approval after the game (or, I guess, before or during the game), we might not hear a formal announcement until tomorrow night. Bet you can’t wait for that! (I bet we will have heard long before that, though.)

  • Cub Style

    Delgado would be a fist pump worthy return

    • BD

      Agreed. I would also add a bit of a happy jig to that fist pump!

    • Jack Weiland

      Indeed. For a rental player where they won’t get a comp pick? Would be an incredible return.

  • cls

    Let’s see how many times I can hit the refresh button per minute…

  • leroy k.


  • Tyler

    I literally jumped out of my seat when I saw Delgado may be involved

  • @cubsfantroy

    I’m doing a lot of damn retweeting right now because of you Brett. lol

    As I said in the other post, it makes me sad and happy.

  • someday…2015?

    Come on Delgado and Bethancourt!!! Yes I am getting my hopes high!! Go Cubbies! Oh and now that this deal has happened, go Braves. Im pulling for Atlanta now.

  • Andrewmoore4isu

    It has begun.

    • leroy k.

      The dominoes will start to fall now.

  • someday…2015?

    Let the domino effect begin!

  • Chris84

    I knew it was coming and I know that it’s for the best and all that, but I’m a little sad right now.
    Thanks for the memories, Demp.

  • Eric

    I’d be thrilled for Demp to head to Atlanta. If he has to go, at least it’s to my 2nd favorite team. He’ll be easy to root for down there.

    • leroy k.

      Glad to know i’m not the only person who considers the Braves they’re second favorite team.

      • Eric

        *internet high 5*

        • leroy k.

        • Internet Random

          Ahhh, WTBS. Thanks for all those Braves’ fans, Ted… not that there’s anything wrong with that.

        • Steve

          Eric, I will give you the highest of fives…. (SMACK)

        • CubsFan4Life

          The Braves are my 2nd favorite team also. I am pulling for the the Braves to win the series this year so Chipper Jones can go out on top and Dempster can get his first world series title. Go Braves !!!

          • Dustin S

            I have to admit I kind of like the Braves a bit too, maybe it was from the old school TBS cable days back in the 80s. Something to be said for the Dale Murphy and Craig McMurty (loved the glasses lol) era. And of course the Greg Maddux years.

            If not Detroit, I was crossing my fingers more for a deal to the Braves. They also seem to have an endless stream of good pitching prospects. If the deal for Delgado holds, Theo earns another gold star from me.

      • Mysterious4th

        Atlanta has always ran in 2nd place to the cubs for me. Turner field is the closest mlb park so its where I got every year to see the cubs and I love watching atlanta b***h smack teams like the brewers/cards/reds!
        Let’s hope we get delgado!

        • Internet Random

          I love watching atlanta b***h smack teams like the brewers/cards . . . !

          If those are qualifiers for being a Braves’ fan, then count me a fan too.

        • calicubsfan007

          @Mysterious4th: Count me in as a fan too with those qualifications! Plus, the Braves are actually one of those teams that I don’t loathe if and/or when they beat the crap out of the Cubs. My second fave team, especially because of Chipper!

    • Cyranojoe

      I was a big “Braves are my number 2” fan for a long while, at least while Maddux was there. Helped that I lived in Florida around that time. Now I’m in L.A., so Dodgers are my #2, and thus I’m sad at the thought Dempster won’t be joining me out here in sunny SoCal. Aw. But I sure hope this Braves deal goes through… sounds like the best we could have seriously hoped for, huh?

  • cubs217

    Would getting Delgado be squeal worthy? Or more of just a Tiger Wood-esk fist pump?

    • Cedlandrum

      Id squeal

  • Brad

    Can someone give me specs on delgados ranking?

  • Patrick G

    Been calling the Braves since the beginning! WOOOOOO sounds like a good fit for both

  • Adam

    If Delgado, phenomenal return for Dempster. I believe the value of extending Dempster is overblown, considering that he is a free agent what ever prospective team he would go to could sign in the offseason. Dempster likely would command maybe 2 or 3 mil over what he could be retained at…I guess the years of the contract would be the difference. Still giving up a lot of years of a young, relatively cheap starting pitcher with upside.

  • leroy k.

    9 years guys….9

  • coby

    That’s what I’m talking about!

  • Boogens

    First off, Brett, let me say what everyone on the board says, and that is thank you for all the updates. You do an amazing job.

    Second, I can’t help but feel a sense of pride in our front office for sticking to their guns and getting real value.

    Third, I feel like saying, “Screw you, Dodgers, and your trying to get quality players for crappy afterthoughts like Ceasar Izturis, Blake DeWitt and all”.

  • WNebCub

    if the return is Delgado then that’s awesome. and it also starts to set the bar for pitchers being dealt in the next week or so…and considering we have two coveted pitchers still under team control through next year in Garza and Maholm, the return on those guys would be sweet as well. just need confirmation on the return package for Dempster…

  • Robert

    I live in Atlanta, and I go to plenty of Braves games a year, but as always Im a chicago Cubs fan, always have, always will be. On Randall Delgado, Braves fans are going nuts… There saying thats WAY to much, and as for Delgado, He has a ceiling as a #2 starter, but most likely will be a SOLID number 3. GEEZ, if the Cubs get this for Dempster, I wonder what they get for Garza!!!

  • calicubsfan007

    YESSSSS!!!!!! How did Theo get that return?

  • Twinkletoez

    Anyone confirm if Delgado is part of the deal… This would be a great return!

  • Patrick G

    UPDATE 4: Dave Kaplan offers the first confirmation from the local guys. He adds that he hears the Cubs made a “great deal” to get young pitching. He’s working on finding out the “names.”

    “Names” emphasis on the S sounds very swell to me

    • leroy k.

      Len confirmed it too.

  • Spencer

    Will Dempster get a World Series ring from the Cubs after we win it this year?

    • Cyranojoe

      LMAO. NOICE.

  • someday…2015?

    Im surprised no one has asked or brought this up yet… PACKAGE DEAL?? YES OR NO??

    • leroy k.

      I believe it’s 1 for 2.

    • Jack Weiland

      I’m sure it won’t be a one for one …

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    This would be huge and would only raise Garza’s value, imo if it is Delgado.

  • 2much2say

    The Cubs getting something good for Ryan
    All I can say its about time
    1 down 3 to go
    4 young arms and a 3rd baseman please

    • Jack Weiland

      Rome wasn’t built in a day. Don’t need to get everything in one deal. Relax.

  • ETS

    Can I just say – GO BRAVES!!!! I hope they are WS champions this year!!!!!!

    • someday…2015?

      I second that!!

      • leroy k.


    • Steve

      Right on….the Braves are now my team to pull for in terms of getting to the series
      this year

      • BD

        Especially if the keep the Phillies and Mets out of it!!

  • Rob

    Go Braves. I want Dempster to win a World Series. He deserves it.

  • Internet Random

    Am I the only one a little concerned about getting pitchers from the Braves? They haven’t exactly been terrible at evaluating pitching talent over the years.

    • ETS

      Yes, you are the only one. Delgado is a better return than zach lee.

      • Internet Random

        So you know for sure that it’s Delgado?

        • ETS

          No, I don’t think anyone does yet. I’m going crazy hitting f5 on mlbtr hoping it gets confirmed though.

    • Jack Weiland

      And? They also gave up more eventual ML pieces in one “buyer” trade than I can remember in the Teixera deal.

  • Eric

    We might be getting a different Delgado…they have another pitcher in their system with the same last name. Has trade value.