Atlanta Braves’ GM Frank Wren has been talking to the media today about the now (almost certainly) failed trade involving Ryan Dempster and Randall Delgado. I referenced it in today’s earlier Ryan Dempster post, but thanks to the Sun-Times, we now have a more complete transcript of his comments. And it includes a bit of what we’ve been looking to hear for some time: what exactly happened over the last week?

From Wren, via the Sun-Times:

In his case, from my understanding – and I’m only getting it second hand from the Cubs – they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he’d like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren’t really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn’t know this was coming down.

Wren is politely trying to say that it was his understand that, prior to the Cubs engaging him in serious discussions about a Dempster trade, they had received an indication from Dempster that he would accept a trade to the Braves, assuming the Cubs couldn’t get a great offer from the Dodgers. But Dempster knew all along that the Cubs were seriously talking with the Braves, and that this moment could be coming down the pipeline.

Again, this doesn’t look great for Dempster. But, two strong cautions: (1) this is second-hand info, and we still don’t *really* know what was said between the Cubs’ front office and Dempster, and (2) there are still several days left before the Trade Deadline. While it’s fair to react and offer your thoughts, just keep in mind that a great deal can happen in the next few days.

Also, here’s a big thing to keep in mind: we still don’t know that things haven’t played out exactly as Dempster and the Cubs anticipated: get a deal lined up with the Braves, and then see if the Dodgers will top it. Maybe the plan was, if the Dodgers don’t top it, then Dempster accepts the deal to Atlanta. We’ll probably never know now, because of the timing of the media leak, and the story breaking on Monday. It forced Dempster to explain himself (and reveal an obvious strong preference for LA), and it forced the Braves to say publicly that they’re “moving on.”

For his part, after today’s game, Dempster told the media that he understand Wren can’t wait on him, even though Dempster is still weighing his options.

Let’s keep the comments civil. I’m not asking you to not speak your mind, I’m suggesting only that you be thoughtful before posting.

UPDATE (at 2:57pm CT): Interesting additional comments from Dempster after the game. From Patrick Mooney, quoting Dempster: “If that’s still an option down the road, then that’s something I might look at to make the best decision for me/my family.”

UPDATE 2 (at 3:01pm CT): Paul Sullivan has a nice write-up of Dempster’s comments after the game, which suggest that he plans to think things over today and tomorrow (his off-day, when he’ll probably see his family). So maybe we’ll find something more concrete out by the end of the day tomorrow. Or not. Because, you know, why would any of this go according to plan?

UPDATE 3 (at 3:11pm CT): Fair to speculate that Dempster doesn’t want to go to Atlanta, but doesn’t want to formally reject the trade, because he knows at that time, the Cubs really do lose all leverage with the Dodgers (which hurts him, because that’s where he wants to go – and the Cubs are just as likely to keep him at that point). So he says he’s still thinking about it to try and buy the Cubs (and himself) more time to try and work out a deal with the Dodgers. But if the Dodgers don’t step up by Friday, then what? Or if the Braves really do come forward and say, “the deal is totally and completely off the table no matter what,” then what?

UPDATE 4 (at 8:58pm CT): Dave Kaplan actually got a quote from Theo Epstein on all of this, but it’s a non-quote – he essentially said, we haven’t commented on Dempster, and we’re not going to comment now. As expected. And it’s the right thing to do, by the way. Virtually no good can come from saying anything right now.

UPDATE 5 (at 9:01pm CT): Tim Brown reports that the Cubs have told “Dempster suitors” that they’re willing to grant a window to negotiating an extension. I kind of expected this was already happening, but it’s nice to get confirmation. Here’s the thing: I’m not really sure Dempster is going to want to actually receive an extension from anyone but the Dodgers – but they might be willing to up their prospect offer ever-so-slightly if they know they’ve got him for a couple more years. But, let’s be clear: it’s already July 25. There aren’t a lot of days left to give a team a “window” to negotiate an extension. Also: I strongly doubt the Braves have an interest in extending Dempster, now that I think about it. They’ve got so much young pitching, and they’ve got a cheap ownership group. Yes, they have money coming off the books, but do they really want to commit tens of millions to a 36+ year-old Ryan Dempster?

  • nkniacc13

    Im not sure anymore if this deadling won’t end up exactly like last year and basically no moves

  • Barry

    After Demp’s tirade today, I’m thinking we should deal his sorry ass to Miami for Z and a new water cooler. Just sayin’…

  • thejackal

    my prediction off the subject: josh johnson goes to texas for olt and other prospect miami needs 3b for future now that ramirez gone

  • thejackal

    lol just plus 5 lol what bout marmol to giants

  • Toby

    I don’t think I’ve ever seen this fanbase turn on a player faster since Sammy Sosa. It wasn’t that long ago that some fans were okay with Dempster staying put, but when word spread what could be coming back in a trade with Dempster that they were alright with the Cubs dealing him. I’ll preface what I will say by adding that we all know that all signs pointed to Dempster accepting a trade because he was willing to help the Cubs future while the Cubs helped Dempster’s present. I believe that some fans are more suprised that Dempster is taking his time and are completely frustrated considering who Atlanta would be sending to the Cubs. These same fans are misdirecting their frustration all at Dempster, who not that long ago could do no wrong in some fan’s eyes, and are not understanding that Dempster has the right to decide on any trades he is involved in.

    • TWC

      I don’t think I’ve ever seen this fanbase turn on a player faster since Sammy Sosa.

      I dunno, man… you remember LaTroy Hawkins?

      • spearman

        or Milton Bradley!

        • http://bleachernation loyal100more

          steve bartman?

        • TWC

          There were Milton Bradley fans to begin with?
          That’s news to me.

          • Dougy D

            Yeah, Jim Hendry (was the Bradley fan)!

    • Boogens

      You know, I’m so tired of hraring fans apologize on Dempster’s behalf for invoking his no-trade. Do you not understand that that he TOLD the team he would accept a trade, the Braves being the #2 team on his list? Per Frank Wren the Cubs did keep Dempster aware of what was transpiring so none of this should have been surprising to him. Don’t for a second suggest he’s just taking his time. He just wanted to drag his feet long enough for someone else to pull the plug on the deal.

      Something else that really bugs me about this is that the FO have spent wasted hours & days on this during the most critical time of the year, Thanks for that, Ryan.

      Lastly, he’s a big boy. He understands the hammer and nail concept so not one of us should apologize for him, He did the about-face and screwed the team. That has caused me to change my opinion of him and sharing that anger & frustration on this board is my way of being the hammer to his nail. Suck it up, Ryan. This is on you.

      • josh2

        I never heard him say he would accept trade to Atlanta. Can anyone verify that quote?

    • PJD

      I completely agree .. It’s sad really. I’m all about winning and the future too but he has ten and five rights for a reason

    • scorecardpaul

      Tobby i do not agree with you at all

  • AZCubsFan

    Has anyone else noticed this…..Randall Delgado last pitched on 07/21 and I just checked the Braves starters for games until 07/29 and he is not starting. Maybe they are holding him back hoping Dumpster changes his mind.

    • Matty Ice

      Or a much simpler explanation is he was demoted to AAA.

      • AZCubsFan

        That explains it then. Thanks

  • thejackal

    spearman ypur right milton bradleyyyyyyy holy cow

  • thejackal

    bartman!!!!!!!! i lost my lunch

    • http://bleachernation loyal100more

      maybe ryan dempster leaves in the middle of his next game with ajacket over his head with a police escort…like bartman

  • paul

    dempster hurts the cubs thats it he turned on the cub base so f him

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    hopefully this turns out like the mike lowell trade a few years back…the trade that could have been, turns out to be not as good as the trade that is

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    (UPDATE 10000) dodgers agree to send lee to the cubs for dempster. however dempster is now saying hes not sure he wants to go to the dodgers.

  • thejackal

    notfunyyy loyal ….. ok it was hilarious

    • http://bleachernation loyal100more

      humor is the best medicine:)

  • gutshot5820

    I wish the Dodgers would just trade for a different pitcher already. That would take the Dodger option out of Dempster’s hand and put him in a corner to make a decision.

  • LouCub

    Theo and Jed should just call the Giants…They are the best team in that division and Demp would completely solidify their staff, it’s the closest contending team to his home in Vancouver and the Giants probably would like to shove it up the Dodgers popous asses!!!!

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    from here on out im just gonna make fun of the whole deal… if i dont ill go crazy! GO CUBS!

  • BeyondFukudome

    Dempster seems to think he’s the only person in the world with decisions to make, so he’s got some god-given entitlement to take as long as he damn well pleases to make up his mind. The truth is that any decisions Dempster has to make are a lot less numerous, less complicated, and, frankly, less significant than the decisions the Cubs brass have to make right now. The Cubs went out of their way and spent a lot of valuable time negotiating first with the Dodgers in a lengthy effort to accommodate Dempster’s wish to be able to hold hands in the dugout with his bff Lilly. But that effort tanked, not because of anything the Cubs did, but because the Dodgers didn’t think Dempster was good enough to make a market value offer for him. But common courtesy (ever heard of that concept, Ryan?) dictates that Dempster now could at least reciprocate a little bit of the consideration that the Cubs have shown him by recognizing that it’s selfish to take the entire time up to the trade deadline to make up his mind when it affects lots of other people. Just make a damn decision so the FO can put this crap to bed and focus on more important matters.

    • Matthew Paulish

      100 % hell yes right on . If Atlanta gave the Cubs the best offer , If they were a team Dempster said he was willing to go to then Dempsters last 2 starts should have been for the Braves with Delgado coming back this way. Then the Cubs could have flipped Garza for Zack Lee , and all of Cubs nation would be happy.
      Dempster is enemy #1 right now. The Cubs have made him rich upon rich , he should stop being a pussy and accept the Atlanta deal.
      Dempster is from Vancouver ?? Well right now he is worse than the Canucks in my eyes. His status as the worst Canadian in the United States is permanent until the Cubs get a good return for him.

  • thejackal

    thats wat i been doin loyal lol cant let it get us down hell this whole week been checkn rumors 24-7 realized jus today hell i better shower and shave … oh ya forgot all about my wife lol….. smile

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    as cub fans if 104 years hasnt given us a sense of humor… i know its not that funny right? well as i suggest to all cub faithfull do what the braves have done and move on.

  • JY

    I know this post does not belong n this section, but when is Baez getting called up to Daytona? This yr?

  • Bric

    I’m no expert but Luke has said a couple of times that Baez will probably finish the season in Peoria.

  • thejackal

    lmao thats great ya good advice sad as it may be … move on

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    from some of the posts ive read on this site… id say they might need added security at dempsters next wrigley start if hes still a cub… sad but true

  • steve

    I don’t think the braves are gonna do the deal now.why would they? I’m sure they are irritated with Ryan, as they should be. LA & atlant was the two teams he wanted to go to, LA couldn’t give us a good enough deal, atlanta did, now we go back to the dodgers from a weak position, having to likely accept something cause Ryan won’t go anywhere else. I think that’s a clear cut situation. LA holds all the control cause Theo & co can’t possibly not trade him now. The fans are pissed, I’m sure the front office is as well. Ryans little baby act will cost us cause Delgado is clearly better than what LA can give, but we won’t

    • Matthew Paulish

      Thats the worst part.
      1. Dempster cost the Cubs a nice pitching prospect

      2. Dempster cost the Cubs all their leverage with the Dodgers.

      3. I wish we could deport Dempster back to Canada for the rest of the season.

      • JP

        That’s pretty funny, if he didn’t have 10/5 rights we could just trade him to Cleveland, I hear it’s almost as bad. If his family is so important why aren’t we talking to Toronto?

        • Trigger

          Because Atlanta is just about as close to Vancouver as Toronto is. Seattle is really, really, really close, however. Oakland and SF are next closest, and they both could use help this year.

          • JP

            Sorry trigger, been a while since I looked at a map. Hadn’t even thought about it until I hit post but you are correct, I knew Seattle was the closest but hadnt realized how far off I was with the Toronto comment til glancing back at the map and feeling like a moron. Nevertheless I think it was low down for him to say here is a list of teams knowing he would only go to his BF’s team in LA. I like Demp but there is no way he doesn’t look like a crybaby at tge end of it.

            • Trigger

              No prob JP. I lived in Seattle so the geography is engrained in my brain. Canada is Canada for most Americans, so I understand. I didn’t immediately know Vancouver was west coast until I lived near there. I really like Dempster too, and am just holding off until the deadline passes before I say he was being selfish and that he hurt the Cubs. Something good might still happen. I do agree it doesn’t look good for him right now. I wouldn’t object to him coming back next year on a discount if the fans don’t run him out town based on these trade rumors first.

  • thejackal

    lol gt that right poor demp lol harry this the big one i think im comin to see ya lol ” sanford and son”

    • Boogens

      I wish that your comments were available on a DVD so I could enable the subtitles to understand what the heck you’re saying. 😉

  • gutshot5820

    Wow, Dempster wasn’t kidding when he was talking about being the ” hammer than the nail.” Now it’s almost as if he is acting in spite just to show people that hes has the control.

  • Trigger

    I don’t hate Dempster. I still like the guy. He doesn’t have to agree to any trade. He’s doing the Cubs a favor just by considering it. We don’t even know what is really going on anyway. He’d rather go to LA than Atlanta? Big deal, so what, its his life and his contract. Voting for Democrats does more the hurt the Cubs in Illinois than anything Dempster could do, so lets have some perspective on this.

  • JP

    Speaking of needing comic relief, “are the 2012 chicago cubs any closer to signing Albert Almora?”

  • die hard

    The brain trust should be asking today what would Yankees trade to get Barney to play 3rd and Soriano to platoon with Ichiro in left?

    • someday…2015?

      If we could get Gary Sanchez I’d hope the Cubs would consider that.

  • HateDemp

    Agree, he can do whatever he wants as we have seen. We should only be disappointed in Demp because he held himself out as being different (care about the city, do what’s right for the team, etc). Much different story if he said from early on, I will veto all trades or I will only go to one place. 2.5 month decision – give me a break. Wouldn’t have wasted all the time in talking to the Braves.

    • Trigger

      He didn’t say “I will waive my no trade clause no matter what”, he said “I will CONSIDER waiving my no trade clause, if…”. Big difference. The people that leaked all this trade talk MIGHT actually be more to blame than Dempster himself for all we know. I’d cut him some slack, but thats IMHO.

  • HateDemp

    Reportedly he said, I would consider (emphasis omitted) waiving my NTC and would like to go to the Dodgers (1st prize) so I can play with Ted Lilly – whatever that means and also the Braves……Then led people to believe the Braves were fine when he was in Atlanta. He caused a lot of wasted effort and while the leak is unfortunate, he should just say yes or no, which he still hasn’t done. What’s his excuse now for not making a decision.

    • Trigger

      I’m not sure we know all that to be true, but his excuse might be he’s still hoping a deal comes along from a team closer to the west coast than Atlanta. You may be right about how this trade has gone down, but I just don’t know and am not willing to hold Dempster accountable yet. We may never know what went on behind the media scenes. He may or may not have changed his mind about Atlanta for all I know at this point. I like Dempster and am willing to reserve judgment for now is all. You might be absolutely right.