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Atlanta Braves’ GM Frank Wren has been talking to the media today about the now (almost certainly) failed trade involving Ryan Dempster and Randall Delgado. I referenced it in today’s earlier Ryan Dempster post, but thanks to the Sun-Times, we now have a more complete transcript of his comments. And it includes a bit of what we’ve been looking to hear for some time: what exactly happened over the last week?

From Wren, via the Sun-Times:

In his case, from my understanding – and I’m only getting it second hand from the Cubs – they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he’d like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren’t really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn’t know this was coming down.

Wren is politely trying to say that it was his understand that, prior to the Cubs engaging him in serious discussions about a Dempster trade, they had received an indication from Dempster that he would accept a trade to the Braves, assuming the Cubs couldn’t get a great offer from the Dodgers. But Dempster knew all along that the Cubs were seriously talking with the Braves, and that this moment could be coming down the pipeline.

Again, this doesn’t look great for Dempster. But, two strong cautions: (1) this is second-hand info, and we still don’t *really* know what was said between the Cubs’ front office and Dempster, and (2) there are still several days left before the Trade Deadline. While it’s fair to react and offer your thoughts, just keep in mind that a great deal can happen in the next few days.

Also, here’s a big thing to keep in mind: we still don’t know that things haven’t played out exactly as Dempster and the Cubs anticipated: get a deal lined up with the Braves, and then see if the Dodgers will top it. Maybe the plan was, if the Dodgers don’t top it, then Dempster accepts the deal to Atlanta. We’ll probably never know now, because of the timing of the media leak, and the story breaking on Monday. It forced Dempster to explain himself (and reveal an obvious strong preference for LA), and it forced the Braves to say publicly that they’re “moving on.”

For his part, after today’s game, Dempster told the media that he understand Wren can’t wait on him, even though Dempster is still weighing his options.

Let’s keep the comments civil. I’m not asking you to not speak your mind, I’m suggesting only that you be thoughtful before posting.

UPDATE (at 2:57pm CT): Interesting additional comments from Dempster after the game. From Patrick Mooney, quoting Dempster: “If that’s still an option down the road, then that’s something I might look at to make the best decision for me/my family.”

UPDATE 2 (at 3:01pm CT): Paul Sullivan has a nice write-up of Dempster’s comments after the game, which suggest that he plans to think things over today and tomorrow (his off-day, when he’ll probably see his family). So maybe we’ll find something more concrete out by the end of the day tomorrow. Or not. Because, you know, why would any of this go according to plan?

UPDATE 3 (at 3:11pm CT): Fair to speculate that Dempster doesn’t want to go to Atlanta, but doesn’t want to formally reject the trade, because he knows at that time, the Cubs really do lose all leverage with the Dodgers (which hurts him, because that’s where he wants to go – and the Cubs are just as likely to keep him at that point). So he says he’s still thinking about it to try and buy the Cubs (and himself) more time to try and work out a deal with the Dodgers. But if the Dodgers don’t step up by Friday, then what? Or if the Braves really do come forward and say, “the deal is totally and completely off the table no matter what,” then what?

UPDATE 4 (at 8:58pm CT): Dave Kaplan actually got a quote from Theo Epstein on all of this, but it’s a non-quote – he essentially said, we haven’t commented on Dempster, and we’re not going to comment now. As expected. And it’s the right thing to do, by the way. Virtually no good can come from saying anything right now.

UPDATE 5 (at 9:01pm CT): Tim Brown reports that the Cubs have told “Dempster suitors” that they’re willing to grant a window to negotiating an extension. I kind of expected this was already happening, but it’s nice to get confirmation. Here’s the thing: I’m not really sure Dempster is going to want to actually receive an extension from anyone but the Dodgers – but they might be willing to up their prospect offer ever-so-slightly if they know they’ve got him for a couple more years. But, let’s be clear: it’s already July 25. There aren’t a lot of days left to give a team a “window” to negotiate an extension. Also: I strongly doubt the Braves have an interest in extending Dempster, now that I think about it. They’ve got so much young pitching, and they’ve got a cheap ownership group. Yes, they have money coming off the books, but do they really want to commit tens of millions to a 36+ year-old Ryan Dempster?

  • die hard

    maybe hes aiming for Detroit and LA is a smoke screen…close to Chicago for family and if re-signs would be close to Canada in summer where they have a home….a win win

    • dudeski

      detroit isn’t close to vancouver

      • White Sox Nation

        Gibsons B.C.

  • HateDemp

    Thanks – you may be right, but I think our new FO is not stupid and wouldn’t have wasted their time lining up the trade they did if Dempster hadn’t said he would accept a trade there. Seems to be a lot of work for a maybe I will consider it. The FO knew he was one or their best bargaining chips. In any case, what a complete mess for the first off season. Maybe they can trade for Ian Stewarts cousin or something.

    • Trigger

      I’m just a Cubs fan and don’t know how all that FO stuff works. It does look like he changed his mind about Atlanta, which isn’t cool, I agree with you there is thats what happened. I just don’t want to stop liking the guy yet, so maybe I’m a bit biased in giving him slack. Time will tell I guess. Heck, I still really like Soto even with his sub .200 AVG and am rooting for him to go on a good streak and stick with the Cubbies. I really liked Ian Stewart also. As a former 3B and catcher while growing up I tend to like those guys more. Insanity seems to be a part of being a Cub fan and I’m no different.

      • White Sox Nation

        I like Soto as well but Stewart can we please lose that useless excuse for a 3B!!!! Vitters better good or they are in a hole at 3B. And even though I like Soto time to say good bye seeing he shows up every other year only to suck the following season. Puff puff give.

  • Stop The Insanity

    You guys do realize that the crazy ex-wife’s family is in Atlanta, right?

  • Stop The Insanity

    …and I believe the ex-wife, as well.

  • Stop The Insanity

    I know Brett and other reputable sources can’t talk about it, but there are definite reasons Dempster might want anyplace other than Atlanta. And can someone point me to this list with Atlanta on it that everyone else has apparently seen

    • BeyondFukudome

      If Atlanta was unacceptable to him for personal reasons like that, then he had a responsibility to communicate that fact to the FO early on.

      • Trigger

        Exes can be truly evil, which is a good point to me. I can completely understand why he might not want to go there. BeyondFukudome (great nickname) you make a lot of sense as well. If Dempster doesn’t like Atlanta for the legitimate reason he doesn’t want to be anywhere near his ex, he should have made that clear beforehand. What a mess. I don’t want to stop liking Dempster, but….

        • JP

          Dempster is poopy. Even the GM of the Braves thought Demp was ok with the Braves 2 WEEKS AGO per his quotes.

          All Demp had to do was say “I can’t do Atlanta.” and none of this would be happening.

          • BeyondFukudome

            Brett, are we allowed to say Dempster is poopy? ;)

          • Scotti

            JP, Frank Wren has NOT talked to Dempster. That would be tampering. Wren only “knows” what Dempster was “thinking” because of conversations with Theo/Jed. The fact that Wren came out and pulled back just shows that he doesn’t want to be used as leverage to get a better deal from LA.

      • Stop The Insanity

        And how do you know either: (a) he didn’t want talk personal business with FO because he has 10/5 and Atlanta was one of about fifteen teams in and it is an embarrassing situation or (b) he told the FO to try for anyone other than ATL, but if they had the bestdeal to give him a couple of days to think about it, smooth it over with the ex-nanny/now main chica?

        Again, I ask ANYONE on this board to show me Dumpster’s list or a recording of the conversation he had with the FO. Maybe there were conditions like “If its ATL give me 2 days” or “show me the offers and if ATL is twice as good I’ll accept”. Does anyone here have any idea what happened? NO

        • BeyondFukudome

          Didn’t you read the official proclamation this morning? Today is “Dempster Apologists Can Go F Themselves Day” in the State of Illinois.

        • dudeski

          do you really think theo and jed would have almost finalized a deal with the braves if they hadn’t been told earlier that demp was ok with it?

          • Pat

            Yes. It happens every year. Multiple times.

            • dudeski

              they spent three days talking with the braves. they wouldn’t waste that much time if they had no clue if he would approve a deal

    • quintz

      Can’t imagine stuff being so bad that the city of Atlanta is not big enough for the two of them.

  • scorecardpaul

    I can’t take any more of this crap. I am really tired of all of the people making up bullshit about how good this dude is. You can spin a story any way you want to spin it. I am still pissed off. I think most true Cub fans would also be pissed off.

    So for all the rest of you just go spin !!!

    • BeyondFukudome

      Well said :)

    • baldtaxguy

      I have not yet read a plausible scenario where his position appears reasonable….other than he simply CAN enforce his 10/5 rights. This whole hammer and nail analogy that he initially referenced before this nonsense hints at him wanting to find any excuse to USE his hammer, and the media release by ATL gave him such a convenient excuse. His little dugout redecorating today looked false. I have not quite “turned” on him, but he does not appear as genuine to me anymore.

      • BeyondFukudome

        Only a resentful, spiteful, a-hole goes around thinking in terms of hammers and nails to begin with. And you’re right, he clearly looked right into the TV camera first, and then staged his little dugout hissy fit.

        • Daniel

          When the eff did we ever treat him as the nail?

          He said it like the cubs have been the hammer for so long. Hammering a crap-ton of money into his account, maybe.

    • White Sox Nation

      I’m pissed as well this is total bullshit

  • JP

    Why is Chase Headley so sought after? Numbers always look pedestrian.

    • BeyondFukudome

      He has a cool name

    • Trigger

      Park factor perhaps? San Diego isn’t hitter friendly. .866 OPS on the road this year. That’s pretty good and well above average. .279/.378, 8HR, 26RBIs on the road. .258/.345, 3HR, 24RBIS at home. I wouldn’t mind Headley as a Cub for the next few years. No clue about his defense, but his offense seems solid to me.

  • baldtaxguy

    Can’t see an extension being applicable to any team other than LA, given the newly discovered Dempster “short list” where apparently “his family” crossed off a few cities.

  • JP

    Worried Demp deal is delaying Garza deal. When Demp was headed to Braves, we immediately had a ton of action on Garza to Dodgers for Lee (seemingly without Garza being required to make another start)……..that action is dead. It just feels like sall deals could not go through……..someone talk me off ledge. I would not be a good GM ;-)

  • gutshot5820

    I really don’t understand Dempster. He really backed himself into a corner here. If he stays in Chicago until the end of the season, he is going to be a villain and basically unwelcome by a lot of fans here in Chicago. If the FO decides that what the Dodgers are offering is not good enough, he can go to Atlanta and be in the hunt for the playoffs in meaningful games. He tried to leverage his 10/5 to the Dodgers but if the FO is unwilling, wouldn’t Atlanta be way better than Chicago, if he denies the trade?

    Obviously, the FO and Dempster are not seeing eye to eye. Dempster feels like he should be should traded to his team of choice or invoke his 10/5. He is using his leverage to basically force the FO to trade him to his team of choice. The FO is not willing to accommodate him unless they feel they get the proper return and they will just offer him Arb at the end of the year. There must be a huge rift between them right now.

    • Pat

      Well, does Dempster really owe anything to the current front office? I can’t see hw he would.

  • fortyonenorth

    I’m a Johnny-Come-Lately to this discussion, so maybe this has been discussed.

    I think Demp’s agent got involved after there was a Chicago-Atlanta deal in hand and now they are either trying to work out details or have reached an impasse based on an extension. Either Demp wants and extension and Atlanta won’t give it or vice-versa. I don’t buy this “I need time to think about it” BS. He’s been in play for weeks and weeks – surely he’s mulled over the myriad possibilities by now.

    • Gcheezpuff

      Good point, especially considering neither Demp nor the Braves have completely nixed the possibility of a trade, but I do believe the extension piece was added by the Cubs FO and agreed to by Demp, entice LA into giving up better pieces.

  • http://bleachernation.com Dean

    Somebody just needs to tell Dempster that the Olympics are being held in London this summer, not Atlanta! the traffic won’t be quite as he thought!

  • Jared

    F-, that’s how I grade all of us as “fans” during these last few (really $hitty) days… I have said it before, and I will say it again, Demp has his 10/5 rights, and he earned them! Do I like what he did? Hell no, I think it was a horrible move on his part, that is IF he truly stated that ATL was a team he would go to… WE, as a fan base, NEVER saw said list! Ever think that the Hostein twins whizzed it down their legs by assuming that “a contender” meant every contender…and didn’t make him specify??? I think people have forgotten a few of the mistakes that Theo made towards the end in Boston…maybe his ego got ahead of his empathy?!?!

    IMO

    • BeyondFukudome

      F yourself. That’s how I grade posts like this.

      • Pat

        Yet another insightful post. Please keep them coming.

        • scorecardpaul

          F your post too pat. This is supposed to be a site for Cub fans. All Cub fans not only Cub fans who Love everything about Dempster, and also thinks that only people from Chicago go to Cub games. Your opinions are not only old, but I think you just try to piss people off. So go ahead and put another mark in your little book, you have now pissed me off.

    • MikeL

      Jared,

      Did you not see Brett’s bullet where Frank Wren (to his knowledge) had said that Cubs FO advised him of all teams….presumably the Dodgers and Braves….were interested, they walked him through a potential deal and Dempster had nothing but good things to say about the organizations. bidding for him. The Cubs would not have made such a deal if they thought he was definitely going to veto the trade. The problem that people are having with this is that he is playing the victim card as if the trade jumped at him out of the blue….it did not. I also wanted to mention that you are being a hypocrite. You are stating–and correctly–that the fans have no idea what teams were discussed with Dempster….but then you turn around criticizing the front office presuming to know how they approached the trade situation by stating that they “whizzed down their legs and thought that “contender” meant any contender.” There is no way for you to know that is how they approached it. So you are just as guilty as the fans criticizing dempster.

      IMO….

      • Jared

        All I did was offered another theory…and I gave us all an F-, I wasn’t excluding myself…hypocrite? Absolutely, but no more so than anyone else offering theories…

        And really “F yourself”, I thought this was supposed to be open for discussion? Damnit, I was wrong twice in one post I guess…

  • Tom

    I unfortunately agree. Just release Dempster and tell him never ever ever ever ever ever come back to Chicago — He is a bum and there is no way we can accept his selfish lies !!! I will boo him ever timne that I see him.

  • Tom

    P.S. Can he be fined like $12 million for a broken water cooler ? YOU ARE A BUM DEMPSTER AN STAY ACTING LIKE A COMPLETE A-HOLE TOO !!!

  • Other other JP

    Clown shoes.

  • gutshot5820

    Why would Dempster even want to stay in Chicago after all this controversy? Him and his family would get crucified for blocking the trade by the fans and the media for the rest of the year. His popularity would take a nosedive as well his income outside of baseball. His foundation would take a big hit because of his decline in popularity. Nice try, you tried to leverage your 10/5 to force the Cubs to trade you to the Dodgers. The FO said NO and now just pack your shit and go to Atlanta.

  • Stop The Insanity

    With all of the certainty on the Dempster threads today, can someone please give me the link to Dempster’s list or a recording of his talks with FO? It seems everyone but me has been privy to those except me and I want to catch up. Even easier – can someone show me where he said ATL was ok, other than pure media speculation? ANYONE? Does anyone here know if he said send me to a “contender” but give me a few days or at least a heads up because I have a delicate family situation? Does anyone here have any idea what Dempster said? I’ll wait for all of the links I’m sure to get. You guys are clowns who have no idea what you are talking about

    • gutshot5820

      Who are you Dempster’s mother?

      • Stop The Insanity

        Great response. Did you actually think about the post or was it over your head?

      • Stop The Insanity

        And no…as a Cubs fan I want him to ok the deal. But the level of one sided ignorance by a bunch of people who have no idea what was or was not said is unbelievable. If it comes out that Dempster told the FO that ATL was ok with no conditions I’ll be the first one booing him because more important than Delgado he will have hurt the FOs credibility. But no one here knows what happened, yet

        • gutshot5820

          Only an ignorant person would claim a bunch of other people are ignorant because they don’t agree with his own opinion.

          • Stop The Insanity

            So you know what, if any, conditions Dempster put on a trade to ATL? If not, then you are speaking out of ignorance by definition

            • dudeski

              again, if there were conditions they would have been met before the deal was finalized and only required dempster’s approval. the cubs need prospects and theo/jed would do whatever they can to get demp to approve the deal. if demp wanted to video tape theo and jed singing “i’m a little piggy” and upload it to youtube before he would approve they would do it. if they want a deal done they will do their damndest to get it done. after all they’re the same people that went to curt schilling’s house for thanksgiving to get him to approve the trade to boston

              • Stop The Insanity

                ….and maybe the leak happened before they could fulfill the conditions. If the condition was to give him a few days because of his sticky family situation than the leak might mean they couldn’t meet the condition

                • Stop The Inanity

                  Please, please, stop the inanity.

                • dudeski

                  how would the leak mess it up? if he was going to atlanta his ex-wife would found out sooner or later

            • scorecardpaul

              Stop the insanity
              can you give me proof that dempster has used the toilet in the last 3 days? No, I don’t think so. Maybee that is our problem he is simply constipated. All we can base our feelings on is what we have seen, and I have seen him acting like a little child who is constipated, or just spoiled rotten.

    • Ben

      Well, I have more faith in Theo and Jed than that. I would assume they wouldn’t pursue a deal with a team without first knowing that it was an acceptable destination. I put far more stock in that than the idea that Dempster never said Atlanta was acceptable. Right or wrong, I think our FO is smarter than that. You are welcome to believe what you want, and I will believe what I want.

    • BeyondFukudome

      Typical troll post. Ask a bunch of dumass questions demanding links you know don’t exist and then declare yourself the winner of the argument. We’re all real impressed.

      • Stop The Insanity

        So how do you know Dumpster said ATL was ok with NO conditions? Serious question

        • dudeski

          we don’t know but theo and jed do, and if there were conditions they would have seen to that they were met. the fact that the deal just needs demp’s seal of approval tells me that there were no conditions

        • BeyondFukudome

          I don’t know that he said any such thing. Nor do I think that he said any such think. Nor has anybody else ever suggested that he made such a statement. Nor is whether he made such a statement remotely relevant to anything going on. So you can you take your “serious,” but utterly irrelevant and imbecilic questions and insert them in a dark and painful place.

    • Trigger

      I like insanity and don’t want it to stop. I am sometimes insane, like everyone else. Being completely sane, is insane to me. I like clowns and think that is a compliment not an insult. I’m still a Dempster apologist and agree with you that I don’t have enough real information to stop liking him yet. It doesn’t look good for him based on the Wren comments, so I understand where the Dempster “hater” is coming from wanting Delgado for our future, but I’m clinging to the chance that we just don’t know enough yet and there might be more here than meets the eye. The deal still may happen for all we know, or another acceptable deal may also happen. What can be said about Dempster if he is traded to ATL for Delgado, or in a better deal? Eat Crow?

      Is Dempster being poopy? Maybe, but there is a chance he’s not, imho. Shouldn’t we give this until the deadline? Maybe Demp is holding out until Brett’s marathon? (please donate to a worthy cause)

      • Ben

        Well, the longer it goes, the less likely it is. Atlanta is chasing Washington for the division lead, and would want to maximize any starter they acquire. Losing another Dempster start leading up to the deadline would be really dumb for everyone involved, which leads me to think he’s staying unless LA wakes up.

  • Matt

    What happens if we are unable to trade him, so we offer him the qualifying offer at the end of the season.

    He declines.

    Then no team wants to sign him b/c they’ll lose a pick.

    We obviously don’t get said pick, but is he basically f’d at that point?

    My brain is trying to find the most ironic and karma crushing scenario for Dempster.

    • scorecardpaul

      If the Cubs offer him a qualifying offer, and he is not picked up by another team(very likely scenario) He comes back to the Cubs next year by accepting the qualifying offer. The Cubs don’t want to have demp next year, especially at 12.5mil. That is what it means to make him an offer???

      • gutshot5820

        Why is it a likely scenario that he is not signed by another team next year? I think it’s more likely he would not accept arb next year because he will be totally vilified by the fans and media. Worst thing for his family if that is what he is really concerned about, just look at Bartman if you want to see the level of hatred Cub fans are capable of. The arb offer would definitely limit the teams that would be willing to sign Dempster and possibly how much he could make, but so what? He invoked his 10/5 rights and the Cubs will do in turn what is best for them.

        • scorecardpaul

          If he was worth a first round pick plus a lot of cash in the fall, don’t you think he might be getting more offers for trade right now? The cubs are willing to eat his salary, and we can only get one offer. and that is obviously a team he will not sign with because of??????

          • gutshot5820

            You are comparing apples to oranges. Next year, whoever signs him will be able to get a draft pick compensation if its a one year deal plus the opportunity to trade him, just like the Cubs this season. In addition, they will have him for the entire year and not just end of the season. Additionally, if the team is one of the elite teams the first round pick will be a low one.

            Of course the team that signs him has to feel that he will be a solid 2 or 3 for the next few years. That is definitely worth it for some teams. Of course, the arb offer will screw him, in that not all teams will think he is worth the loss of the pick. Payback from the Cubs FO.

            • scorecardpaul

              But, if another team signs him, and they don’t trade him they will not get a pick back for him unless at the end of his contract they offer him a qualifying offer(very unlikely) So what you are in a sense saying is that they will gladly think he is worth a first round pick and lots of money, or they are going to sign him so they can trade him???

      • Cheryl

        If he accepts, the cubs have even more problems. But can they make the offer and then designate him for assignment so he won’t even set foot in Wrigley? That would be an expensive alternative but one they may have to take.

      • dudeski

        i doubt theo was bluffing when he said that the cubs would stick him in the bullpen. he screwed them out of delgado and he’s not going to let demp screw them out of a draft pick

        • gutshot5820

          I don’t think Theo ever said that he would put Dempster in the bullpen. His only official comment was that he had no comment on the situation. It was reported earlier that the FO would keep him for the rest of the year if they did not get an offer they didn’t like, which I am in favor of.

          • dudeski

            you’re right, they didn’t say they would do that. buster olney did tweet this

            Buster Olney ‏@Buster_ESPN
            About whether CHC could be at risk Dempster would accept ’13 qualifying offer: They could always make it clear they’re putting him in ‘pen.

            so it’s possible that it’s an idea being thrown around

  • KWD22

    What about Garza to Braves for Delgado, Minor, and a lower level prospect? I would rather send Garza go there before they get Grienke, and not have to face Delgado a couple times a year.

  • Stop The Insanity

    Again, does ANYONE know what Dumpster told the FO? Of course not. Like I said maybe he told them ATL was a touchy situation so he would need a few days if that was it. Maybe he toldthem only ATL if their deal was twice as good. Who knows? None of you do. How about this wild speculation since everyone else is doing it: You guys all thing Thoyer are mind jedis, so what if Dumpster told them no to ATL, but they really wanted Delgado. So, they worked out a deal with ATL anyway and then had someone not connected to the Cubs FO leak it to the Braves website hoping to pressure Dumpster as a fan favorite and charitable leader to accept. Is that any more implausible than the crap on here today. I like Epstein and Thoyer so I don’t think this happened, but NO ONE on here knows what happened…right?

    • gutshot5820

      This has been talked about many, many times. Do your own homework and research. The reason people are upset, rather than disappointed is he publicly stated to the media a few weeks back that he would do whatever is in the Cubs best interest as long as they received a good return…. Now all people see is a liar and hypocrite. He has a right to invoke his 10/5 and people have the right to criticize him for opening his mouth.

    • Jared

      Don’t say anything like that…there are certain people who follow this, and they are mean spirited!!!

      Personally, I agree 100%!!!

    • Internet Random

      If we’re just going to play the what-if game, and generally make things up, how about this one:

      What if he told them he was a racist pedophile and he liked to beat his pit bulls with fungo bats because it toughened them up for dog fights?

  • Stop The Insanity

    Or can anyone answer this: what if Dempster told them try anyone else but ATL, but for the good of the club I’ll go there but I want you to show me the offers and I’ll decide if I think ATL is the best. Does anyone know if this did NOT happen?

    • gutshot5820

      I know that this DID NOT HAPPEN.The world does not revolve around Dempster, do you think the club is going to wait around forever and let other deals pass them by? And if that scenario happened, he would be a Brave now.

      • dudeski

        yeah, it demp’s job is to pitch and theo/jed/mcleod’s to evaluate talent. not to mention every single deal the dodgers could offer save lee would be worse than delgado

        • Stop The Insanity

          Dempster has 10/5 rights, so when it comes to trading him the world does revolve around him he could have made any demand he wanted. Maybe he said I’ll do anything for the good of the Cubs whenit comes to 29 teams, but if its ATL I want to know their offer blew everyone else away

          • gutshot5820

            You are really reaching now…almost pathetic.

          • dudeski

            the cubs asked for alan freaking webster of the dodgers. i would say that the braves deal was the best possible offer. these are really poor attempts to rationalize his behavior

          • BeyondFukudome

            You know, just because you have legal rights under a contract does not mean that you have to choose to exercise those rights in an asshole manner. And if you do choose to exercise those rights in an asshole manner, then it’s pretty goddam predictable that the people to whom you are being an asshole are gonna take exception to your behavior. So, once again, you can take Dumpster’s 10/5 rights and also insert those into a dark and painful place.

            • dudeski

              i will say that he is within his rights to be an asshole about this, but i am also well within my rights to call him out for it

            • Pat

              Yes, just because you have the right to be an asshole doesn’t mean you should exercise those rights. Something to think about Junior.

          • Tom

            Ha ha ha . Thank you Mrs. Dempster, but your son is a bum !

    • scorecardpaul

      please stop the insanity

  • Gcheezpuff

    I wonder if Demp just wanted to pitch one last game at Wrigley and ride off into the sunset to a standing O, maybe he did agree to Atlanta, but the trade negotiation happened faster than expected and he just was trying to buy some time… BOOM… If that was his plan, man did it blow up in his face. In the end, I hope this turns out OK, I really don’t want to hate on the guy but I am struggling right now. Would have liked to see him go out with fan support and respect, but we might be past the point of no return.

  • BeyondFukudome

    Oh, lord. The candy-assed Dumpster defenders are returning for another round of lectures about how horribly unfair it is to say anything bad about poor Ryan.

    • Stop The Insanity

      I’m not sure its worth responding to you because you are either 16 or drunk or both, but do you know if Dumpster put any conditions on being traded to Atlanta? No, and neither do I. If he didn’t than he is a bum…there, is that candy-assed

      • Pat

        He’s either twelve, or the result of a drunken family reunion. Best to just let his comments go.

      • Stop The Insanity

        Again, you do know that Dempster had an affair with his nanny and now his ex and family live in ATL, right? It may affect the conditions he puts on a trade there.

      • BeyondFukudome

        Look. Whether he specifically or expressly put any conditions on being traded to Atlanta is utterly irrelevant. First, it is established fact – based on well-known news reports that include Dempster’s own statements – that he had one or more discussions with Theo about the possibility of being traded and, in those discussions, he indicated that: (a) he was not categorically opposed to being traded to a contender; and (b) he would be willing to work with the FO to find a deal that would be acceptable to him and would help the Cubs as much as possible. Second, it was reported in the news for weeks that Atlanta was one of the teams interested in Dempster and in the final days before the Delgado debacle, it was widely reported that discussions between Atlanta and Chicago had taken place. So Dempster damn well knew that the FO considered Atlanta a possibility. Therefore, if he had any conditions about an Atlanta deal that he had not expressed to the FO, he should have contacted him and told them. If he had conditions and kept them secret, then he was being asshole.

        BTW, if anybody reads your blatherings this evening and reads what I just said and concludes that I am sixteen, then the only possible inference would be that you are an embryo.

        • Stop The Insanity

          I’ve said this before but Dempster has a real interesting situation when it comes to ATL given his nanny/ex-wife fiasco. That might lead to conditions we don’t know about, and given the leak couldn’t be fulfilled. Maybe he just wanted a few days to break it to the jealous new lady. Hell, I don’t know, but no else does either

  • Cheryl

    Theo’s no comment says a lot in itself.

    • gutshot5820

      IMO, there is a huge rift between the Cubs FO and Dempster right now. Dempster tried to use his 10/5 as leverage to force the Cubs to trade him to the Dodgers and the FO basically said NO.

  • Tom

    Dempster is a bum until proven not to be a bum !!! I see no other answer to the situation that he was not truthful and Atlanta was not an option. Go hit all the coolers you want Dempster — You are a bum !

  • Tom

    I seriously do not boo Cubs players. But I will boo Dempster – I can not get over the fact that he plays us fan as fools and straight up lied. Be honest and admit up front you only want to go to LA. BUM !!!

    • spearman

      I think you meant Atl.

      • spearman

        Sorry its late & i read it wrong

  • Dan

    Why you being so difficult Dempster

  • jimi lives on

    FUCK YOU DEMPSTER. IF YOU SKREW US OVER WE’LL TURN AROUND AND FUCK YOU EVEN HARDER. YOU WANA PLAY WITH YOUR GAY BEST FRIEND LILLY? WELL FUCK YOU, NO CHANCE IN HELL WE’RE TRADING YOU THERE. GO AHEAD AND CRY YOU SMELLY TURD.

  • jimi lives on

    Seriously, think of how pissed the fuck off Epstein and Hoyer are right now. They could’ve had another t-wood type player. No chance in hell they’re letting this slide..

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