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Atlanta Braves’ GM Frank Wren has been talking to the media today about the now (almost certainly) failed trade involving Ryan Dempster and Randall Delgado. I referenced it in today’s earlier Ryan Dempster post, but thanks to the Sun-Times, we now have a more complete transcript of his comments. And it includes a bit of what we’ve been looking to hear for some time: what exactly happened over the last week?

From Wren, via the Sun-Times:

In his case, from my understanding – and I’m only getting it second hand from the Cubs – they had a meeting with him a couple weeks ago and laid it out, and the primary two suitors were us and the Dodgers. And he had positive things to say about both, and he had a slight preference to the Dodgers because of Ted Lilly. He and Ted Lilly are best of friends and he’d like to go play with his friend. And I think there were also some personal issues that suited better for him. And as it went down, from my understanding, the Cubs informed him in the last week that the Dodgers weren’t really as aggressive as we were and they thought the deal was going to go with us. I think he was given a heads up along the way. I think it may be the way it was presented as far as coming out in the media [Monday]. I think that was blindsiding, not that he necessarily didn’t know this was coming down.

Wren is politely trying to say that it was his understand that, prior to the Cubs engaging him in serious discussions about a Dempster trade, they had received an indication from Dempster that he would accept a trade to the Braves, assuming the Cubs couldn’t get a great offer from the Dodgers. But Dempster knew all along that the Cubs were seriously talking with the Braves, and that this moment could be coming down the pipeline.

Again, this doesn’t look great for Dempster. But, two strong cautions: (1) this is second-hand info, and we still don’t *really* know what was said between the Cubs’ front office and Dempster, and (2) there are still several days left before the Trade Deadline. While it’s fair to react and offer your thoughts, just keep in mind that a great deal can happen in the next few days.

Also, here’s a big thing to keep in mind: we still don’t know that things haven’t played out exactly as Dempster and the Cubs anticipated: get a deal lined up with the Braves, and then see if the Dodgers will top it. Maybe the plan was, if the Dodgers don’t top it, then Dempster accepts the deal to Atlanta. We’ll probably never know now, because of the timing of the media leak, and the story breaking on Monday. It forced Dempster to explain himself (and reveal an obvious strong preference for LA), and it forced the Braves to say publicly that they’re “moving on.”

For his part, after today’s game, Dempster told the media that he understand Wren can’t wait on him, even though Dempster is still weighing his options.

Let’s keep the comments civil. I’m not asking you to not speak your mind, I’m suggesting only that you be thoughtful before posting.

UPDATE (at 2:57pm CT): Interesting additional comments from Dempster after the game. From Patrick Mooney, quoting Dempster: “If that’s still an option down the road, then that’s something I might look at to make the best decision for me/my family.”

UPDATE 2 (at 3:01pm CT): Paul Sullivan has a nice write-up of Dempster’s comments after the game, which suggest that he plans to think things over today and tomorrow (his off-day, when he’ll probably see his family). So maybe we’ll find something more concrete out by the end of the day tomorrow. Or not. Because, you know, why would any of this go according to plan?

UPDATE 3 (at 3:11pm CT): Fair to speculate that Dempster doesn’t want to go to Atlanta, but doesn’t want to formally reject the trade, because he knows at that time, the Cubs really do lose all leverage with the Dodgers (which hurts him, because that’s where he wants to go – and the Cubs are just as likely to keep him at that point). So he says he’s still thinking about it to try and buy the Cubs (and himself) more time to try and work out a deal with the Dodgers. But if the Dodgers don’t step up by Friday, then what? Or if the Braves really do come forward and say, “the deal is totally and completely off the table no matter what,” then what?

UPDATE 4 (at 8:58pm CT): Dave Kaplan actually got a quote from Theo Epstein on all of this, but it’s a non-quote – he essentially said, we haven’t commented on Dempster, and we’re not going to comment now. As expected. And it’s the right thing to do, by the way. Virtually no good can come from saying anything right now.

UPDATE 5 (at 9:01pm CT): Tim Brown reports that the Cubs have told “Dempster suitors” that they’re willing to grant a window to negotiating an extension. I kind of expected this was already happening, but it’s nice to get confirmation. Here’s the thing: I’m not really sure Dempster is going to want to actually receive an extension from anyone but the Dodgers – but they might be willing to up their prospect offer ever-so-slightly if they know they’ve got him for a couple more years. But, let’s be clear: it’s already July 25. There aren’t a lot of days left to give a team a “window” to negotiate an extension. Also: I strongly doubt the Braves have an interest in extending Dempster, now that I think about it. They’ve got so much young pitching, and they’ve got a cheap ownership group. Yes, they have money coming off the books, but do they really want to commit tens of millions to a 36+ year-old Ryan Dempster?

  • MikeL

    All of this fighting……THIS WHOLE RYAN DEMPSTER SAGA IS THREATENING TO TEAR THE BLEACHER NATION FAMILY APART!!!

    • BeyondFukudome

      Yea, well we all have to do what we think is best for our family…

      • jimi lives on

        STFU he makes more money in a year than everyone on this website combined and we have to feel sorry for him? fuck that and fuck him. he deserves to be lynched by the cub faithful. hes Bartman 2.0 bitch

        • BeyondFukudome

          I was being sarcastic, moron. What are you gonna do, shoot me?

          • http://bleachernation loyal100more

            lmao fukudome!!!

  • gutshot5820

    I think most of the hatred that is coming form the fans is because people can relate to this situation. Everyone knows someone at work or in social gatherings that sucks up and wants to look like he is caring and loyal but is really only looking out for himself. He was playing up the media and acting like he was a great guy until he was forced to reveal his true intentions. He went from doing what is “best for the ballclub” to “I have to do what is best for my family,” in a moment.

    • Tom

      And, we would be angry with that person too !

  • jimi lives on

    FUCK dempster and his oh so special family. i feel like fucking shooting him in the face with a shotty right now. Calling him a SELFISH PRICK is a complement right now. I’m gona burn my dempster shirt and throw it on the field next time he starts during a play in the outfield. just like that time in 08 when a dude threw a beer on victorinos face…

    • dudeski

      calm down dude. jesus

    • #23

      Brett, this idiot’s post should be deleted.

    • gutshot5820

      Yea, you need to chill out. You do know that if you threaten bodily harm to someone on a public forum you can be charged? Especially, with a popular sports figure. Be careful what you say.

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      Wow. What is wrong with you?? Do you have no sanity? This is a sport and yes it is a business that includes lots of paying fans but in no way shape or form do you have to go out and say your going to kill someone. “shooting him in he face with my shotty”… Nice example your setting for younger people. Someone makes a decision and if you don’t like it you go out and shoot them. @jimi lives on your the first person I have reacted too because your comment truley makes me sick. You should be ashamed of yourself. Enough said.

      • Internet Random

        You should be ashamed of yourself.

        I’m mostly offended by the improper use of the word “complement”. I advocate a zero-tolerance, one-strike-you’re-out policy for that kind of thing.

    • http://bleachernation loyal100more

      bro lay off the meth befor you post… were all alittle disappointed, but man that just sounds soooo juvenile. respect the site and your fellow cub fans please

    • jimi lives on

      my bad for posting this. i was feeling really betrayed beyond words. nothing meant by it. sorry if it offended anyone.

      • http://bleachernation loyal100more

        thanks jimi… love the passion!

      • MichiganGoat

        It takes a real maturity to apologize, I hope others can follow your lead.

  • really

    Jimi lives on….it is just a game in the big scheme of things it doesn’t matter if the cubs win or not. It is nothing to kill someone over. Wow you should check yourself into a hospital. I love the cubs as much as anyone and really wish Theo would do something and wish Dempster would have accepted the trade but really killing that is out of line.

  • Mike S

    Holy Junior Lake. 2 Homeruns from the leadoff spot

  • Brian Peters

    Is it possible for Dumpster to pitch in Chicago before the deadline? If so, I hope all you Chicagoans give him all kinds of hell. If I were a contributor to his foundation, I’d ask for my money back. What a female dog he is. “But I HAVE to go to LA so I can suck on Ted (Lilly’s) nuts!”

    • Toby

      that’s mature….ask money back to a foundation because you don’t like what Dempster did. So, by your rationale, they only donated because of Dempster and not because of what the foundation is about.

  • oso

    Hey jimi would you say Dempster is a little short on class?

  • MightyBear

    Dempster reminds me of Eddy Haskell. “My your looking good today Mr. Epstein.” Theo and Jed leave and he says “Those idiots really think I would go to Atlanta?”

    • http://bleachernation loyal100more

      now thats funny, tasteful, and gets the point across while being respectful to the site and its many fans. i applaud you sir!

      • Whiteflag

        Me too.

      • jimi lives on

        ya i would be laughing my balls off if i was 50 yrs older

    • http://bleachernation loyal100more

      absolutly cant believe some of the things ive read people post, rather than keep to thereselves and be respectful. im VERY disappointed in how this whole situation has played out so far.but what ive read from fans on this site has made it 10 times worse really. remember guys its not over yet, and being disappointed is part of being a cub fan, this is not the first or the last time that will happen. do what the braves have done…move on. brett thanks for all the hard work in this battelfield of profanities and death threats.

  • MightyBear

    I still think if the Cubs could get Allen Webster for Dempster, I would be happy. Not as happy as Delgado but still happy. Webster is 22 as well and he gets a lot of ground ball outs and has pretty good control. Good fit in Wrigley.

    • gutshot5820

      I would be disappointed if they trade for anyone projected as a back-end starter. You can pick up guys like Maholm for cheap every year. I think the FO is holding out for someone that at least projects as a solid 3, otherwise what’s the benefit of trading him just to trade. Just keep Dempster and let him play out the year and offer him arb and get a supplemental pick.

      Does anyone know if dempster accepted arb if he would still retain his 10/5 rights or will he be subject to be traded to any team?

      • dudeski

        he keeps the right. i highly doubt he accepts it, though. he’s gonna want one last big contract and there’s a lot of bad blood between him and the FO

    • Whiteflag

      I’m hopeful he is someone the cubs can still get. I just don’t know if its possible at this point. He would be a nice pick up for the reasons you pointed out. I wish Delgado would have happened too, but Webster is sill a quality prospect. Maybe, he ends up better than Delgado. I doubt it based on the luck of the cubs, but who knows.

  • Brian Peters

    That’s right……I’d take it and give it to a more deserving charity/foundation. I’m not concerned about appearing mature to anyone here….I’m interested in expressing my distaste for a tool such as Dumpster. He’s not the least bit interested in the Cubs’ best interests, so he just needs to keep his mouth shut about all that. He has inspired thousands to turn on him…..we didn’t just decide to hate Mr. Dempster on our own.

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    (STANDING OVATION FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB ON THIS TRAIN WRECK BRETT!!!)

    • gutshot5820

      You are dangerously close to acting self-indulgent, condescending, arrogant and full of self-righteousness.

      • http://bleachernation loyal100more

        ive been fallowing this sense it started and am loosing taste for the issue. call me what you want.

        • Internet Random

          >.<

  • Nick

    On the brighter side, Junior Lake hit two HR’s today

    • Whiteflag

      Just raising his stock. I’m hoping he is included in a trade with Garza for Olt.

  • http://bleachernation Ferris

    I dont feel sorry for dempster,but he earned this right,and he wanted to stay a cub I think more fans should see that side of him,he doesnt want to go but he realizes the mess were in,so if your bein asked to leave don’t you wanna go where you pick,my only issue is if he dont want atl. he shoulda said just the didgers or bust….

  • Disappointed Cubs Fan

    jesus

    • baldtaxguy

      Yes, some of the weaker ones are losing perspective. this just in….Dempster is, and will not be, the only player that decides self over team, or who fails to walk their talk. You don’t have to like it or accept it, but its not a free pass to immaturity.

  • BleedingCubbieBlue

    If we can still trade him somewhere. I am all about bring him back next year.

    Question: If he leaves/gets traded and we resigned him as a FA would he still have 10/5 rights next year?

    • Whiteflag

      I don’t think the 10/5 rights would still be an issue. It says consecutive years. I’m just guessing though. I tried a google search and didn’t find anything that explained a similar situation.

  • MichiganGoat

    Is it safe to take my head out of the sand?

    • Internet Random

      Not remotely.

      • MichiganGoat

        That’s what I thought, if I stick around and keep reading these immature trollish comments I might start to miss the days when there was there was only one annoy douchebag on here. People IT’S ONLY BASEBALL so many other things/people to hat and attack that are actually harming the world. This is truely Bizzarro BleacherNation.

        • Matty Ice

          It’s not ONLY BASEBALL, or you wouldn’t comment on here daily. Ryan Dempster is being a two-faced asshole, period!. Keep your head in the sand as long as you want, it doesn’t change the fact that Dempster said one thing and is doing another.

          • HoustonTransplant

            …but it’s still just baseball. And Dempster is still…just a baseball player. I don’t know him personally, so I can’t say WHAT is going on in his head, so I’ll keep from bashing him and name calling.

            I’m upset that the deal didn’t go through, and maybe Dempster isn’t the great person on the pedestal we all made him out to be, but in the end, getting this worked up over baseball (regardless of how passionate one is for the GAME) is frightening.

            It’s amazing how angry everyone is getting.

            • Matty Ice

              People wishing him ill will are taking it too far, I agree with you. However, when a person says one thing and does another, they deserve criticism. Ryan Dempster tried to come off as a saint and turned out to be a sinner. People who took him for his word and are upset that he didn’t follow through should not be chastised for their opinion, just because they don’t like it.

        • gutshot5820

          Hey Goat, just because you think some comments are childish and immature doesn’t make it so. This is what public forums are for, good or bad, People have a right to their own opinion without you judging them. Ballplayers make their money from the fans and when they tarnish their image or betray their fans, people have right to express their opinion without your self-righteousness. We are discussing baseball on this blog and Dempster happens to be the news of the day. If you don’t like it, what are you doing commenting here?

          • Patrick W.

            If the point was a Mookie Wilson ground ball you’d be Bill Buckner. Nobody is suggesting a mere disagreement or even resentment aimed at Ryan Dempster is default inappropriate or immature. Suggestions for harm to a human being for a decision made about a game are absolutely appropriately judged and called out publicly for what they are.

            • gutshot5820

              ???? If you read his post, he was referring to childish and trollish comments. He did not mention comments about harm to others, which I am against. In this instance you are more like Bill Buckner. Why don’t you try reading before you write.

              • Patrick W.

                I’ve read. A lot. And for a long time. And I follow him on twitter. And I read other things he has posted. And so I think I have a little bitbof of history and am making an educated guess as to what he is referring to. He clearly wasn’t referring to all comments, right?

                • MichiganGoat

                  Right just the irrational trollish comments, but haters be hating.

    • Toby

      I thought the venemous vitriol on Cubs.com was bad, but that forum is looking more sane than some of the comments here.

  • Brian Peters

    He’s 36 friggin’ years old. I, for one, don’t want his AARP card carrying behind on the Cubs anymore. I don’t care if we get that baby gangster on the Looney Tunes cartoons from the 1970s, I want some young folks in Chi town.

  • Boogens

    Hey Brett, there are plenty of us that love the site and appreciate all that you do. Most sincerely try to keep the comments in good taste. Please don’t let the recent nastiness diminish your passion for what you do.

    • MichiganGoat

      ^^^^^^THIS^^^^^

  • Patrick W.

    Look, I’m not trying to stir things up but I would be extra careful when posting something suggesting you would like to shoot someone in the face. On a website where you have to give an email address to post. The anonymity you hide behind to post your ridiculous garbage is not as secure as you might think. People have gone to jail for posts like that. I know you apologized and I’m reasonably sure you didn’t mean it, but that’s the thing about our brains…they can be used to stop our fingers from doing profoundly stupid things. If we use them.

  • BeyondFukudome

    I would just like to say that in my mind there is a significant difference between wishing that someone would engage in acts of violence or illegal activity and a passive, cartoonish wish like wishing that someone might contract leprosy in his pitching arm so that it slowly and painfully rots away. The former is something I would never do and would certainly never post on the web. But the latter, while admittedly juvenile, is harmless in my opinion. After all, if the powers that control the universe paid any attention to my wishes, the Cubs would have already won the World Series.

    • Patrick W.

      I don’t disagree.

  • Josh

    I just want to know why the trade was made public before it was finalized. Unless they just assumed Dempster wasn’t gonna pull a Dwight Howard and change his mind day to day. Dempster can go 0-15 for all I care now. Our season is a wash, I will root against Dempster every 5th day, possibly even go back to calling him Ryan Dumpster. I know real original but that’s what I did when he was a closer. Imagine if Dempster and Aramis weren’t absolute jagoffs at the trade deadline. We would have at least 2 more top 100 prospects. Possibly 3, but no the “My family” excuse comes into play. I don’t think your family gives a damn where you work when you make $14 mil a year. Not to mention you are on the road half the year.

    • dudeski

      do you really think hendry would have gotten fair value for aramis? they got pierce johnson as a supp pick so it doesn’t really matter at this point

  • Josh

    I’d be curious to see Dempster’s next start at Wrigley if he passes July 31 w/o being traded. I’ll buy tix just so I can go boo his you know what

  • morgan

    Say the Braves trade doesnt happen, and Delgado b/c a stud pitcher in a few years, Dumpster wouldnt be allowed in Chicago, The dude only had 3 months max with his new team, Your making way more than your worth, until this year, Making 14 mil to be away from your family for a few days at a time for 3 months, not like they cant come to any games or on the road with you, Just selfish all together, just another player who thinks hes better than he really is

  • gutshot5820

    How ironic, if Dempster ends up not getting traded, the better he pitches for the rest of the year, the worse it is for the Cubs in regards to draft position.

  • calicubsfan007

    Sorry for all the craziness on your page Brett. You are a good guy and I hate to see this insanity affect the credibility of the site and you. It was already said, but I will say it again, don’t let this hurt your passion.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    It doesn’t affect the sanity anymore than Bud pouring millions to get us to buy their beer in Wrigley. It’s no less to be expected than Dmepster paying PR to craft an image he falls short of. He’s not a saint just a sinner like all of us and maybe a little more privileged and little more of hypocrite, but to all those so insanely hurt, what the hell did you expect when you sucked down Jim Jones Kool aid oh I mean Ryan playing Ernie Banks. He’s a flawed individual who trapped himself in this.

    People on both sides have really over reacted. It ain’t over until it is over…. He’s still llikely headed to Atlanta or LA and while he has tarnished his image not the fame, he will come out of this with an extension that is likely to serve him better than hitting the open market. He might be very wise to see just how short Boras came up on a 1 year more accomplished Starter in Oswalt. Ryan would do well to recognize, unless both he and Colletti are colluding here, it’s clear the Dodgers are far more interested at least on the surface in Garza for logical reasons. And Atlanta wants him and will probably extend him if he’s reasonable. There’s zero doubt while LA may be playing games for a myriad of reasons including Wren is no dummy like Ned and Atlanta wants him.

    Finally fans have to learn that media uses you and athletes use you by filling them and you full of BS. like Dempster is likely to return to Cubs, complete bull sh t. Dempster is likely to go to highest bidder for as long as he can get. And it’s obvious, for Ryan Dempster that isn’t and never was theo’s plan, he’s going to get younger, and if he’s going to spend 50-100 M it will be on a younger player.

  • Leroy K.

    Some people need to step back from the ledge!!!!

    • gutshot5820

      People criticizing other people for criticizing is just annoying, Wait, did i just do that?

      • Leroy K.

        meh, I don’t even care. It’s the Cubs…Their new slogan should be “The Cubs—It figures”

  • DCF

    Honestly I just don’t buy that the trade with the Braves fell thru just because Demp doesn”t want to go to ATL. It’s only 10 weeks or so we’re talking about, he wouldn’t have to move to ATL for that and he wouldn’t even have time to shake hands with everyone on the team before he’s out the door again. I don’t think he would be bothered by any of that so much that he couldn’t stand it for like 2 month.
    I’d guess there’s something more involved, i.e. that the Braves have no interest in extending while the Dodgers do. Well, even then he could take ATl for some weesk and move on to LA afterwards, so whatever. Maybe the Braves INSISTED on an extension?

  • art

    maybe Lilly talked him into holding out for the dodgers. it sure isn’t a family thing.

  • Kevin

    Just as Dempster had a right to turn down the trade, the Cubs and their fans absolutely have a right to be frustrated with Dempster. He killed a potentially great deal for the Cubs and handled it poorly, while destroying any potential leverage the Cubs could have had in a future deal with the Dodgers. Bad news all around.

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