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Thankfully (or not, depending on your perspective), today’s been a relatively quiet Ryan Dempster day. Don’t get me wrong: I know we’re getting close to the Trade Deadline, and, yes, I definitely fall on the please-trade-him-and-get-quality-prospects side of things. But, man, I’m glad to have gotten a day largely off from the frustration, obsession, an acrimony that has followed this story.

It wasn’t a completely silent day, however, and I don’t expect it to be a completely silent night. Right now, things are pretty much underground (here’s last night’s set of updates, with the latest until now). We know that Dempster has not officially, formally rejected the Atlanta trade (which would have sent Randall Delgado to the Cubs), and we know that the Braves have not completely and irrevocably said that talks with the Cubs are dead. But we also know that Dempster isn’t crazy about going to the Braves, and we know that the Cubs are scrambling to try and work out a deal with the Dodgers that doesn’t require a subsequent hospital visit. For his part, Dempster says he’s thinking things over today, but we don’t know that there’s anything to think about right now.

Here are the latest tidbits on the Ryan Dempster Saga (with updates, if applicable, to follow below) …

  • Jayson Stark reports that the Dodgers remain optimistic that they can get Dempster from the Cubs. I could be perfectly satisfied (more than) with a Zach Lee deal, or an Allen Webster/Garrett Gould/Chris Withrow type return. But, right now, I don’t see any reason the Dodgers would give up that much, given how things have played out. Maybe if they can get an extension out of Dempster?
  • At least one executive tells Ken Rosenthal that there’s “no way” the Cubs will keep Dempster through the deadline, and then make him a qualifying offer after the season, for the reasons I’ve said before. For one thing, the return in that scenario is merely one pick, after the first round (a pick you have to then sign), and it requires Dempster actually turning down some $12.5 million for 2013 from the Cubs. That’s a risk that I doubt the Cubs want to take. Hence my doubt that the Cubs can extract quite as much value out of the Dodgers as they were about to get from Atlanta.
  • For what it’s worth, I’ve heard that the Cubs haven’t totally given up on the Atlanta deal, and instead hope to be able to convince Dempster to head there, if they can’t work things out with LA. There could be very little there, though.
  • Joel Sherman cites an exec who wonders whether the Cubs might “kick in $1M extra to convince Dempster to go to ATL.” Does he mean, give Dempster $1 million as, like, go-away money? If the Dodgers’ offer is Garrett Gould and Chris Withrow, and the Braves’ offer is Randall Delgado, of *course* that difference is worth $1 million. But, I mean, can you do that? Can you just give a dude $1 million, not as salary, just as a one-time bonus, to forgo blocking a trade?

UPDATE (at 3:43pm CT): Ken Rosenthal reports that the Cubs and Dodgers “might” be getting close on a deal. (Which necessarily means they might “not” be getting close, which is kind of like saying nothing at all.) If true, here’s hoping the Cubs have been able to persuade the Dodgers that the Braves’ deal is still on the table, and, if the Dodgers don’t match it, Demp will go there. Probably a really, really tough sell at this point (unless it’s true, that is).

UPDATE 2 (at 4:57pm CT): The Brewers’ GM just confirmed what we all already knew – the Brewers are going to be trading Zack Greinke by the deadline. The Braves are very interested, so your rooting interest on Greinke is that the White Sox somehow magically pull the pieces out of nowhere to land him.

UPDATE 3 (at 5:10pm CT): Dave Kaplan says the deal with the Dodgers is getting close. Various options are still being discussed between those teams, and they’ve even talked about the possibility of bringing in a third team (which always sounds like a great idea, but complicates things exponentially). I’m still suspect that the Cubs can get even close to a Delgado-like deal here, but we’ll see.

UPDATE 4 (at 5:26pm CT): Here’s a more complete take from Kaplan, which goes into a bit of the backstory on the Braves’ deal. The gist is, the Cubs thought they had an understanding with Dempster that they could negotiating with either the Braves or Dodgers, and then they got a better offer from the Braves. When Dempster through up a roadblock (albeit possibly temporary), asking the Cubs to try once more with the Dodgers, the Braves pulled their offer so they could explore other options. Theo was apparently furious. And that’s where we stand, as the Cubs try to get an acceptable deal from the Dodgers. The Cubs, Kap says, are trying to net a “handful” of pitching prospects, which suggests they will generally be of a lesser tier than Delgado.

UPDATE 5 (at 7:12pm CT): A really, really crappy update. Jon Heyman reports that the Cubs resorted to offering Dempster to the Dodgers for Allen Webster straight up. And the Dodgers said, “no.” Two weeks ago, that would have been an understandable offer and rejection. Webster, a fringe top 100 guy, is in the range of what the Cubs could have hoped for, we thought, but it wouldn’t be unreasonable to have that offer rejected. But after the way things have played out? Knowing that Dempster’s value in this market is considerably higher? I can almost taste the balls that were just kicked up into my stomach. To date, Heyman says, the Dodgers have stuck to offering lesser prospects who might project as relievers (Gould and Withrow, perhaps?). Part of the reason the Dodgers are lowballing the Cubs – in addition to their extreme leverage, of course – is the fact that they still prefer Matt Garza. But don’t think the Cubs can just deal Garza to the Dodgers and then force Dempster to go to the Braves – Heyman reports Dempster TOLD some Braves players that he was going to come there, and then changed his mind. Now, the Braves are upset, and view Dempster as a guy who doesn’t want to be there – and the Braves culture doesn’t really look kindly on guys who don’t want to be there. What a crapshow.

UPDATE 6 (at 7:20pm CT): Big surprise, Buster Olney says Dempster is holding firm on his desire to go to LA. Increasingly, I’m growing irked not only that Dempster rejected the trade to Atlanta after apparently telling everyone that he would go, but also that he apparently – literally – will go nowhere but LA. It’s a complete 180 from everything he’s said this year about what would happen when the Cubs looked to deal him. I’m not saying there might not be a good reason – a personal, family reason, for example – but, as a fan, it’s deeply frustrating. And saddening.

UPDATE 7 (at 7:26pm CT): Something else from that Heyman article that bears particular mention – maybe it isn’t just that LA is making crappy offers because they have all the leverage. Maybe, as Heyman suggests, they don’t actually want Dempster all that much.

UPDATE 8 (at 7:32pm CT): Still stewing about this latest report. At this point, a few things are apparent, and I’m ready to adopt them into my official narrative. The Cubs negotiated with the Braves AND the Dodgers for a while. Dempster was aware. The Dodgers offered crap, consistently, because they don’t love Dempster. The Braves got desperate, and offered Delgado. The Cubs leapt to take the offer, and informed Dempster, who spoke to some Braves players and suggested that he’d be taking the deal. Then he changed his mind. We don’t know the reasons (blaming the media leak is so totally bogus at this point). Now, the only reason he hasn’t formally rejected the deal is because he knows that, if he does, the Cubs can’t even *pretend* they have an offer on the table from the Braves when they negotiate with the Dodgers, which makes his chances of going there even less.

UPDATE 9 (at 8:39pm CT): And now Kaplan goes back on his earlier report, and essentially adopts the Heyman line: “Just spoke with a great source who told me that the Dodgers are balking at including what the Cubs need to make a Dempster deal.” Kap adds that Theo and Jed aren’t looking to appease Dempster here – they’ll only make the deal if it makes sense for the Cubs.

UPDATE 10 (at 8:52pm CT): Kap tweets out a few more things that are identical to the Heyman story (I’m not saying Kap lifted them, I’m saying Kap is obviously hearing the same thing as Heyman, which makes it more likely to be true). In sum, the Dodgers don’t want to include Webster in the deal, and the Cubs won’t do it without Webster (well, or, presumably, Zach Lee). Kap calls the Dodgers’ offer “very suspect,” and says the Cubs aren’t going to cave. He adds, though, that it would be very uncomfortable for Dempster to still be on the roster come August 1 (you think?), and neither side is going to want that. But, like I asked Kap, at this point, what choice do the Cubs have?

UPDATE 11 (at 9:52pm CT): Kap expands on that tweet with another article, basically explaining that the Cubs and Dodgers are, presently, at a stalemate (look, you can rip on Kap all you want for quick changes in his stories, but at least he’s covering this – and, here’s the thing, sometimes the story DOES change rapidly, as we saw on Monday).

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Don’t make the mistake of overvaluing Delgado. He is a very nice pitching prospect, no doubt about that, but this is not going to be a case of the Cubs almost landing Justin Verlander and having to settle for Randy Wells. The most talked about names coming from the Dodgers, Lee, Webster, and Reed, would all be very high quality additions to the farm system. Like Delgado, Lee and Webster are in that No 2/3 ballpark.

    • Cyranojoe

      Thank you, Luke.

    • spearman

      but obviously we’re not gonna get lee & probably not webster either.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        Last I heard, Webster was still very much on the table. I don’t think Lee has been definitely taken off the table yet himself.

        • spearman

          Told you!

    • baldtaxguy

      Ouch, Wells is now the lower bound…?

    • quintz

      Considering the circumstances, I’ll cut people (scorned Cub fans) some slack if they overvalue Delgado a little.

    • Bric

      The last time the Cubs got a couple of “high quality” pitchers in their farm system Gaub never got past ST and AAA, Stevens got rocked every time he got brought up and Archer got traded away. And the worst part of that trade was Archer was the only legit prospect among the 3. We don’t need more total question marks. Either trade for a legit prospect or let Demp and Garza stay and figure it out in November.

      • Scotti

        Archer was a prime piece in getting Garza!!!

        • Bric

          That’s true which is why it’s so comical. The best prospect of 3 traded away for another guy who is now traded for another guy who is… when did we become the friggin’ Pirates?

          Actually Luke, that might have sounded a bit harsh (apologies) but the question is out of the prospects being offered what do you really see as the upside? 2/3 starters? When and with how much confidence?

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            Lee: ETA late 2013. Moderate risk. Fairly safe bet as a mid-rotation guy, riskier bet as a front of rotation guy.

            Webster: ETA mid 2013. Moderate risk. Safer bet than Lee as a mid-rotation guy, riskier bet as a front of rotation, but still a decent gamble.

            Both are in the conversation for League Top 100 status. Neither deserves to be remotely compared in any way to Gaub or Stevens. You may as well be turning up your nose at prime steak because one upon a time you ate a greasy hamburger that you didn’t like.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              And by fairly safe, I mean as prospect go. Risk comes with any prospect, at any position, at any level. That’s just part of the business.

            • Bric

              Thanks Luke. I don’t follow any minors system other than the Cubs’ so I just wanted an honest evaluation. Delgado got everbody excited because it was name most already know and the replacement names aren’t.

              To me, whether Turner makes it not isn’t the issue. You can bet the bank he’ll get his shot and all the fans will know whether they were right or wrong about him. It would be nice if the Cubs fans got that chance too because most fans (or me at least) don’t watch the minors.

              The thing that scares me now is that the new management will pull a Hendry on us and bring a bunch a guys that we’ll never hear of or see again, except in your minor league updates.

    • http://www.worldseriesdreaming.com dabynsky

      The latest from Heyman is that the Dodgers are rejecting giving the Cubs Webster for Dempster. It seems like we might have gone from Delgado to a couple of prospects that project as relievers.

  • Fastball

    Well I’m wishing for Dempster to have a quick change of heart and agree to the Atlanta deal. Anybody want to put a guess on whether Dempster renigs on the LA Dodgers deal once Theo puts it together? Then What? What if he just up and decides he doesn’t want to move for 2 months. Is it safe for him to live in Chicago at that point? I get the feeling he doesn’t want to leave the Cubs. Boy he would be painting himself into one hell of a corner if he pulled that on us.

  • Fastball

    MLB says a potential 3 team multi player deal could be close. Any ideas

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Well, the third team would, presumably, be coming in because they’ve got a pitching prospect or two that would interest the Cubs, but I think we’d be running a fools errand if we tried to guess who it is, what they want from whom, etc. Fun to speculate if you’d like, though.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        It was Colonel Mustard, in the Drawing Room, with the Blue Jays farm system.

        • Oswego chris

          How crazy(or naive) is this? Dempster is actually helping the Cubs, he says to Theo and Jed that he wants to go to LA, but he trusts Theo and Jed to honestly try to get a better package from LA…if they come back to him and say that despite their best efforts the Dodgers don’t match the Braves…he says he will take the Atlanta deal….

          Remember the Cubs have said nothing about this entire situation…also remember that we have smart guys working in the front office…

          Patience…

      • Cyranojoe

        Well, we can posit that the most likely problem in a Cubs-Dodgers deal is the Dodgers’ relative lack of impact arms. So they go out and trade for one to give to the Cubs. That then begs the question, what *is* strong in the Dodgers’ system? Do they have any position players that Team Z might want? Where Team Z = a team that *does* have the kind of pitching we want.

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      My guess is the Red Sox would be the third team.

  • Fastball

    What moving company do the cubs use. Maybe we can find a source

  • quintz

    I’m bettin Dempster won’t approve the third team and the deal falls through.

  • cubsin

    Is there really any reason to believe Dempster would actually accept a trade to the Dodgers now? He seems to be enjoying his chance to be the hammer, with the Cubs and their fans being the nails.

    And yes, I realize he probably wouldn’t do that.

  • http://www.cwsnaturally.com Evolution

    Are you guys really hellbent on turning Dempster into the second coming of Milton Bradley?

    Come on! Even if this is a bad moment…he’s earned a little currency with us.

    Give him a break.

    • aCubsFan

      What currency has he earned, other than taking $60 million over the course of his time with a 2 games over .500 record?

      • http://www.cwsnaturally.com Evolution

        Fine…he cut a better deal than most of the rest of the world gets…he’s still got the right to exercise every parameter of the deal he cut.

        If you give him the right to say no, you can’t bitch when he does…

        • Martin

          He didn’t cut the deal; it’s part of the collective bargaining agreement.

          And WE didn’t give him anything. WE are the fans–we don’t issue contracts or make player decisions. WE have no decision making power with the team, and therefore, we don’t have to rationally analyze things as a GM would. We’re allowed to be irrational and irrationally dislike someone due to our allegiance (hence the word “fanatic”).

          And what has Dempster really earned? What has he done for the Cubs? Other than walking 7 guys and giving up a grand slam in the first game of the ’08 playoffs, of course…

          Dempster has adequately performed his duties as an employee. No more, no less.

        • aCubsFan
      • Cyranojoe

        Who reads this website regularly but still respects W-L records?

        Seriously, who?

        • Brad

          Saying they are meaningless is just plain wrong. For example, if the Cubs do not make the playoffs, why? It’s called W-L records, albeit of the team. W-L records are the aggregate W-L records of a team’s pitchers. Give or take a few games, a good pitcher will have a good W-L record over time and a shitty pitcher will over time have a bad W-L record. The W-L record doesn’t lie, neither for teams nor pitchers. Yes some years a pitcher’s W-L will be stellar or extremly poor but over time it will even out to the true median/measure of that pitcher. I don’t know about you but I would take a pitcher who is 20 games over .500 over a pitcher who is 20 games under (even if he had a few good years). Winners win over time, Losers lose over time, and .500 .500 over time. Just see Yankees pitching staffs vs Cubs pitching staffs and the pitchers who have made up these rotations.

          • jr5

            There are so many things wrong with that.

            I’m sure others here can dissect everything, but I’ll go ahead and take a swing at the last point: the Yankees starting pitchers have a much better chance of having better W-L records because they pitch for the Yankees, who have a consistently fantastic offense and a great bullpen behind them. Those are elements that, while having nothing to do with a starting pitcher’s talent, can inflate that starter’s win-loss record. (Examples: a great offense means great run support, which can allow a starter to get a win in a game that he pitches poorly (say, 5 IP, 7 runs) while a great bullpen can, in conjunction with a great offense, save a pitcher from a loss in a game that he pitched poorly (say, 3 IP, 8 runs, only to have the pen throw 6 IP of 1 run ball and the offense come from behind.)) W-L record is an awful stat. It is an extremely imprecise way of measuring pitcher performance, mainly due to the factors I listed (i.e., variables that go into the stat that are far, far beyond the pitcher’s control.)

      • Scotti

        And what teams has he played on? The last four years he’s had a very good record given that the rest of the team has played about .450.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      The only break he’s got is that we don’t know his personal situation, or why that may have led him to change his mind.

      But there’s no longer any debating that, by his actions, he screwed the Cubs. It may not have been malicious, and he may have a great excuse. But that’s what happened.

      • Scotti

        Bret, there can be no “It’s official, he screwed the Cubs” until we actually have a trade (or don’t have a trade).

        Right now all we have are rumors…

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          We have much more than rumors at this point. We don’t have a resolution, you’re quite right.

  • cubmig

    The Dempster saga gets more interesting with every news posting. What if the whole damn thing ended with the Cubs coming out smelling like a rose? The mystery deepens.

  • calicubsfan007

    Wow, it seems really peaceful on here now. No death threats, major swearing, or anything like that. How far away is Webster from the bigs exactly? And I just realized this, if the Dodgers do complete this trade by themselves (no 3rd team or anything), they will really have absolutely nothing for the future. They will almost be in the same situation that we were in not too long ago. (Am I right on both assessments?)

    • mpaulish

      Dempster is a [not nice guy].

      [Ed. Give me a break. Be an adult.]

      • @cubsfantroy

        I don’t really think that language was necessary.

    • @cubsfantroy

      I would just be happy to get something done, even if it is Dempster saying he don’t want to go anywhere. But, I digress….

      I think Luke said something about Webster as well as Delgado in one of the other articles, not sure which though. I believe he said he was a mid 2013 call up or something along those lines.

  • Jeff1969

    Dempster has made over $62,000,000 over the course of his career. 62 mil people. The dude is 35 & 117-121 in his career. But then we want to cut public sector workers wages to the bone. Our priorities are f*cked up.

    • Scotti

      First, politics don’t belong here. Second, politics don’t belong here.

      • Jeff1969

        Keep babbling.

        • Scotti

          Dude, babbling is trying to equate private sector monies with tax monies. If private companies want to pay someone $60 million to play baseball, make movies, provide quality lap dances, etc. that is their business, literally. That has nothing to do with taxes at work.

  • rhino70

    Damn.

    The Kaplan blog really changes how I feel. I really thought that if the leak hadn’t happened, things would be different. But if Kaplan’s source is correct, and I have no reason to think it isn’t, then this really is all Dempster’s fault.

    He really did screw over the Cubs. All those people calling for his head were right.

    GAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      I have trouble believing this all because he wants to play with Ted Lilly. If that is true it would be a disappointment. Very LeBron James like. To clarify, the “playing with my friend part” is the only comparison to LeBron im making, nothing else.

    • cubmig

      When the full factual story is told, there will be plenty of time to hate the culprits responsible. Till then hating anyone in any of this is wasted emotion.

    • quintz

      Kaplan’s source was common sense. No stupid leak is going to derail a trade like that. I’ve been more on the apologist side for him (as opposed to the murderous contempt side), but that trade didn’t happen because Dempster didn’t (hasn’t?) approve(d) it. What exactly he said to the front office can be debated till were blue in the face, but it doesn’t change the fact that his personal wishes were (are) the roadblock.

    • aCubsFan

      Rhino if you don’t like what you read in the Kaplan article. You are going to be even more honked off with this article.

      http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/19663926/cubs-offer-of-dempster-for-webster-rejected-by-dodgers-who-seem-to-prefer-garza

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        I appreciate you sharing that with folks, but for others who want the gist, it’s up there in a previous update.

      • calicubsfan007

        @aCubsFan: Heh, it kind of sounds like the guy who dumps his girlfriend for the cheerleader, only to have the cheerleader reject him in favor of his best friend.

  • steve

    At this point just make a deal already, if it takes a third team get it done. Then move garza to the braves for delgado, teheran, and another pitching prospect. Hell move maholm while your at it. Load up on as many prospects as we can, while we have this chance. Jumpstart this youth rebuild once and for all, please, I’m going insane, haha.

  • calicubsfan007

    Plus, I am in the same boat as most people here. The “just get the hell out of here” boat. I would rather trade him now then risk him signing the offer in the offseason, because I would be so pissed (=! And plus, at least we wouldn’t have to start as much from scratch with these acquired guys as we would have with the drafted guy from the supplemental round. Besides, it would really be at least two guys from the Dodgers compared to one guy from the supplemental. It seems like a smarter choice to go with the trade. I might be wrong with that assesment. If so, prove me wrong, I don’t mind. (=

    • rcleven

      After the pain Demp has been and terrible gamble. I know I would not offer 12.5 on a hope he would reject it. They will let him walk.

      • 34275

        You sure he’s gonna want to come back after the endless booing he’s likely to receive at Wrigley?? I doubt that very much. Cubs fans will not forget this.

        • Puma0821

          It’d be funny if the Cubs waived him and he got picked up by the Blue jays or someone. He would not be able to block that! Of course it would be stupid because it would only be for salary reielf…

  • Ben

    I would think the supp. pick would be of a higher quality than anyone they can throw in a deal besides Lee

    • Scotti

      I would take Webster over a pick in a heart beat.

    • Diesel

      It is naive to think Dempster wouldn’t take 12.5 mil from the cubs if he blocked a trade after he said he wants the cubs to get maximum value for him. If anyone thought he might come back for a hometown discount don’t think he wouldn’t jump all over the qualifying offer. Sorry to be a realist but I am who I am.

    • Mdel78

      I wouldn’t agree, since guys in AA with 2/3 labels like Webster (according to Luke) aren’t easy to find. Plus, if the Cubs are getting multiple arms for Dempster, even if Lee isn’t included, would certainly be better than a supplemental pick.

  • Ben

    if he took the 12.5 he would never get that last multi-yr deal he seeks and he is 36

  • Brad

    How about theo and dempster have a boxing match at this point, theo wins demp goes to Atlanta waives his 10-5 and the money made from people watching the match goes for Delgado. I put all my money on theo so no need to worry what happens if Demp somehow won.

    • calicubsfan007

      I like the way you think Brad! I got 20 on Theo. The anger that he has for the Demp veto will make him dangerous!

      • Brad

        yeah our luck, it would be a great fight, theo would take care of business and everything would be set Dempster still physically able to pitch. But, as Demp boards the plane to atlanta, he erupts in a fit of rage puncing the wall– and.. you guessed it, breaking his pitching hand. Epstein gets a call, Dempster manages to ruin the trade again… lol

        • calicubsfan007

          Aw, crap… stupid Demp. He would do that Brad, just to spite the Cubs and the fans.

  • Brad

    Ok my previous post was stupid, but honestly, this could only happen to the cubs. The man we all trust in and brought for the very reason that he could do something like get Delgado for Dempster, and then he actually gets it done, only to be negated by the guy who says how much the cubs mean to him, is just ___________. My word would be pathtic, typical, the cubs way, part of the curse,…ad nausium…

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    Some reports give Gould better pure stuff than Lee, but he’s not as good at harnessing it or turning it into outs. I’m not sure I’d have him as one of the Cubs top five pitching prospects; he wouldn’t sniff the Top 10 over all.

  • Mrp

    Let’s just keep Dempster at this point. I don’t want him getting his way after all this crap. Might as well take our chance at a qualifying offer and threaten to put him in the bullpen to hopefully make him walk. I’m sure that plan would blow up too though. I’ve really tried to stay patient through all of this, but I really don’t like liars.

  • jpeck

    Offer to take Gould and Withrow for Demp. and end this misery. Dempster value is dropping faster by the day….. Then move on to Garza deal.

  • HateDemp

    At this pt, I think you hold dempster – while it hurts the cubs now, it is a better long-term choice that you won’t be raked over by players or other teams. At the name above says, you can see how I feel about the liar.

  • JulioZuleta

    I’ve said it before over the last few days. After seeing the way he has acted during this, I think we really need to question what we thought we knew about our beloved Dempster.

  • @cubsfantroy

    I still love Dempster through all of this, but I am sick and tired of all of it. He either takes a trade to Atlanta or whomever wants him, or tell the Cubs he don’t want to be traded and would rather finish out the season with them.

  • Mysterious4th

    Brett,

    With all of this Dempster drama going on how do you think this will affect his free agent value? How many teams are going to sign a 35-36 year old diva?

    Oh yes I use the word diva, seeing as how he changes his mind on helping the team that gave him a pretty penny after tommy john surgery and treated him with respect.

  • Curt

    fuck dempster and fuck the dodgers do not give him what he wants unless the dodgers offer becomes reasonable and see if u can trade garza to la get tht done leave dempster no options worst case he walks next yr see ya dumpster gl on getting a long term deal you now have zero credibility and don’t keep yr word . do not make a trade just to make one

    • mpaulish

      Totally agree. Get actual value for Bennedict Dempster or just keep him. Dempster screwed the Cubs fans by losing all possible leverage when he backed out over a trade to the Braves.

      [Ed. - Dude, seriously. Cut out the disgusting and gratuitous cursing. This is your last warning.]

  • baldtaxguy

    Sounds like Mr. Dempster always wanted to stay in Chicago.

    • Brad

      and clearly does not give a fuck about winning. or the cubs.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      At this point, I’m not sure he can. Do the Cubs really want to send him back out to the mound in Wrigley again this season and take the PR disaster that would ensue? Just imagine the headlines “Failure Front Office Forced To Start Dempster,” “Dempster Beats Cubs, Then Pitches Loss”, “Dempster Booed For Two Straight Hours. There Was Also A Game”, etc. And I’m sure the Chicago and national press could and would do worse than that.

      I sort of think Dempster has basically forced his way out of Chicago while simultaneously preventing the Cubs from being able to deal him.

      • Austin

        I would think that with the reports coming out the FO wouldn’t get to much heat it would all be on Dempster and we all know how many careers have been ended in Chicago by the Media and Fans. I just don’t see how any of this falls onto the FO.

        • Mysterious4th

          I agree austin. The FO did their part. And they are known for being tight lipped at the same time! It was ATL that let it leak too quickly. I feel chicago will be just as hard on him as they have been on anybody in the past. I thought he was a class act like kerry wood and now he is close to the evil twin of the man we thought he was all these years! I don’t see him getting offered 12.5 million or pitching for us again. If the front office can get something for him ill be ok with that because we need to get something for him since there probably won’t be a qualifying offer made to him at seasons end.

        • baldtaxguy

          Agree, this is now (apparently) 100% on Demp. I think he may need to hear (in person, and not from his foundation twitter feed) and really understand from the fans the impact of his decisions, or lack thereof.

          I think the league needs to create a training program for players a year away from 10/5 rights that emphasizes how to use them, how to make a decision, and how they can be abused. Demp will be a case study of what not to do.

      • Patrick

        Is there any chance Dempster will even want to accept that offer? He’s poisoned his fans and the Cubs can always threaten to throw him in the pen as Buster Olney suggested.

  • yoga master

    Dempster is trying to pull a brett favre on the cubs FO.

    • Mysterious4th

      That is the BEST comparision I have heard and it totally fits the bill!

      • baldtaxguy

        +1 That is spot on.

  • http://www.worldseriesdreaming.com dabynsky

    Webster or Reed was definitely worth more than a compensation pick, but the Heyman report makes it seem like the Dodgers aren’t offering anything. The Heyman reports makes it sound like they aren’t even offering a guy like Garrett Gould.

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    My prediction after that last update… Dempster stays put and Garza gets traded close to the end of the deadline.

  • Patrick

    Part of me wants the Cubs to stick it to Dempster and tell him that he won’t be traded to LA. I want him to face the boos he’s going to receive when he comes back to Wrigley. Maybe when he figures out that he’s no longer welcome, he’ll accept any trade we throw at him just to get out of town. But that’s just a pipe dream because by now we’re going to be forced to take on some low level prospects because we have absolutely no leverage in trade talks. I do realize that he has been a good Cubs player over the years but after this fiasco I can’t help but hate him now.

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