In a post that’s sure to be met with jokes and a million updates, Jim Bowden reports that the Los Angeles Dodgers are getting Ryan Dempster, and the final i-dotting and t-crossing is all that’s left to do.

I don’t have a good feeling about the Cubs’ return based on what we’ve heard for days, but we’ll see. Theo and Jed weren’t about to be strong-armed on this one, unless they had no other options. Maybe they didn’t.

UPDATE: Phil Rogers says on MLBN that the Cubs really want Allen Webster, and the Cubs might be including multiple pieces to get him, including guys like Shawn Camp or Jeff Baker. And then he said something about Trey McNutt, and I burst into flames.

UPDATE 2 (at 11:49am CT): Kevin Goldstein suggests that James Russell could be involved, to which I’d note that I hope he’s not just a sweetening throw-in. Considering his effectiveness and his contract status, he’s got a lot of value.

UPDATE 3 (at 11:50am CT): George Ofman says the deal is indeed close, and involves multiple players. I’m nervous that it was the Cubs who capitulated, not the Dodgers.

UPDATE 4 (at 11:55am CT): Doug Padilla with a tweet that reinforces my fear: “As Dempster deal to the Dodgers closes in, maybe this ends the idea that Demp & Theo/Jed are on bad terms. Cubs bent over backward for this.”

UPDATE 5 (at 12:15pm CT): Kevin Goldstein hears the same thing as Phil Rogers, but he’s also been saying Dempster and Russell for Webster would be a “steal” for the Cubs. I just don’t see that, given how the starting pitching market has played out, but I get that he’s saying Webster is legit.

UPDATE 6 (at 12:18pm CT): From Jon Morosi: “No agreement yet in Ryan Dempster negotiations. Hardball going on with less than 3 hours before deadline.” Natch.

UPDATE 7 (at 12:30pm CT): Bob Nightengale says that the Cubs and Dodgers are talking, but other teams remain involved with Dempster. Is that posturing by the Cubs, or did Bowden jump the gun?

UPDATE 8 (at 12:52pm CT): Aaaaaand, take-back-sies. Jim Bowden now says Dempster to the Dodgers isn’t a sure thing, but you might be happy about the reason (you’ll have to forgive the frightful way he tweets): “Serious game of chicken between the Dodgers& Cubs on Dempster right now…Cubs believed to have found another team..LA blinks or loses him.” That one doesn’t feel like a shill for the Cubs.

UPDATE 9 (at 12:56pm CT): Tom Verducci reports on MLBN that the Cubs and Dodgers have disengaged, and the Cubs are in talks with the Yankees and a mystery team (Sweet Jesus…) on Dempster.

UPDATE 10 (at 1:07pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says that the Cubs have indeed talked to the Yankees about Dempster (and it was the Yankees contacting the Cubs). This is all very preliminary. At the same time, the MLBN crew is suddenly speculating that the D-Backs are in play for Dempster. Head = spinning.

UPDATE 11 (at 1:25pm CT): Jon Heyman cites a source who tells him Ryan Dempster has told the Cubs he’ll accept a trade to the Yankees. Dave Kaplan reported that earlier today, by the way.

UPDATE 12 (at 1:30pm CT): Joel Sherman, who’s a Yankees reporter, and who always seems to be right, says that although there have been talks, he can’t see the Yankees giving up much to get Dempster, who isn’t much of an upgrade. I just don’t agree with that, but, hey, he knows his stuff.

UPDATE 13 (at 1:35pm CT): Jim Bowden says it’s now or never for the Dodgers. Either they blink (presumably on Webster), or Dempster goes to the Yankees. Here’s the thing: I’m not so sure the return from the Yankees is going to be any good, either.

UPDATE 14 (at 1:45pm CT): Ken Rosenthal hears that Dodgers don’t even want to give up anyone in their top 7 or 8 prospects for a rental like Dempster.

UPDATE 15 (at 2:26pm CT): MLBN report has the Dodgers probably not getting Dempster, and him going to either the Yankees or Rangers. I still think he goes *somewhere,* but I don’t think we’re going to like the return.

  • MaxM1908

    I really won’t believe it. If the Cubs deal quality players in exchange for an above average Dodgers prospect just to move Dempster’s sorry, selfish ass I will flip the F out. While I place most the blame on sleazebag Demp, I’ll gladly share it with Theo and Jed for agreeing to the deal. Keep Dempster before you give away our good players to get what Dempster alone should bring.

  • BlueHorizons

    WHAT?! It was disappointing enough to miss out on the Delgado trade. It would make it even worse if the Cubs gave up Dempster without getting sufficient returns for him. But PLEASE, don’t make a catastrophic move by throwing in Camp and / or McNutt. Maybe Dempster and Baker… or Dempster, Baker and Soriano, but adding current and future prospects like Camp and McNutt kind’a defeats the purpose, doesn’t it?

    • Jack Weiland

      Camp is 37 years old … and McNutt, sadly, at this point his stock is really low. If the FO thinks he’s just a bullpen arm, and they can upgrade, I say include him.

      • Jack Weiland

        Camp = turns 37 in November, he’s *only* 36 sorry.

      • Beer Baron

        If they view McNutt like the did Cashner (bullpen only) then he has minimal value here, as opposed to with others who may think he can still start. Perspective could mean both sides are happy

    • MaxM1908

      Camp isn’t a prospect. He’s an old pitcher. Maybe another season or two left in him. Definitely not a prospect.

    • Adam1680

      Shawn Camp will be 37 this offseason. He is not a prospect…

    • Andoalex

      We got Camp for absolutely nothing this year from the Mariners.. signing him and letting him play for half a seaon then including him as a sweetener in a larger deal seems like a great move by the front office. I agree a bit more with you about McNutt

  • Edward

    I agree. Move whatever pieces you need to get the best return.. Cubs have the payroll to buy a respectible bullpen when they need it.

  • TheJDawg

    Not Russell… return better be damn good for his inclusion…

  • JB88

    “George Ofman says the deal is indeed close, and involves multiple players. I’m nervous that it was the Cubs who capitulated, not the Dodgers”

    I’m thinking the sweetener was the difference between a lower level prospect and Lee or Webster.

  • Tommy

    Russell – 26 years old and only getting better. Very disappointed if we include him in the deal.

  • Josh

    I really hope James Russell isn’t the throw in. He has been a nice option out of the pen since leaving the rotation. I would rather see Baker or Camp go, even though both have had nice seasons.

  • Joepoe321

    Kevin Goldstein “Delgado compared to Webster? Webster more upside less stability….
    He also said dempster and russel and a lesser player for Webster would be a steal…

    • Austin

      Maybe Webster and Gould or another Top 15 guy would be a steal but I don’t see how Webster alone is a steal for Dempster and a Good, Young, and Left handed pitcher is a steal.

    • Ryan

      A steal for who though? That seems like a pretty large amount for just Webster

  • Patrick G

    With the giants and dodgers getting good players, any chance AZ over pay for Garza?

  • Cubs505050

    the roster is going to look like something else today

  • Tommy

    I’d rather send Camp.

  • SirCub

    Capitulated. Nice. You can’t be cracking up that much.

    But, yea, it would suck if they did.

  • donnie kessinger

    Gosh I hope the Dodgers at least by us dinner before the #@**!!! begins…

  • JP cubed

    Update: he mentions we bent over backwards for this but I’m pretty sure he meant bent forwards…

  • Grant

    My guess is Dempster and Camp for Webster. Cubs aren’t going to agree without getting a decent prospect (but won’t want to give up Russell as he has a future with the club beyond this year), and Dodgers are going to want more than just Demp for Webster, and this way they get a pretty good relief arm to make up for the loss of Lindbloom.

    • Grant

      Alternative to Camp could possibly be LaHair…

  • #1lahairfan

    Man if Russel is gone I will be pissed off bad. If trey mcnutt is involved we better be getting there top 4-5 pitching prospects.

    • Jack Weiland

      This is just not realistic.

    • AB

      yea McNutt isn’t even in peoples Cubs top 10 lists these days.

      • Beer Baron

        Sure he is. He was solidly top 10 on every list this winter, and even now with his down year and adding guys like Vizcaino, Soler, Almora he’d still be right around #10. In fact, here is a list updated just this morning (includes Vizcaino at #3, although for some reason does not include Soler or Almora so I’d bump McNutt down 2 spots)

    • Gabriel

      McNutt has been straight up BAD this year – he’s been a bit better as a reliever, but I wouldn’t even have him in our top 5 pitching prospects anymore.

  • BlueHorizons

    I truly don’t understand why the Cubs would “bend over backwards” to deal Dempster to the Dodgers. I’ve said it before, I do not blame Dempster for clobbering the Delgado trade, but I DO blame him entirely for eliminating the leverage that the Cubs had with the Dodgers and putting the Cubs in the position in which the Cubs find themselves.

    • TonyP

      totally agree.

    • RoughRiider

      Reluctantly agree.

  • Chris S

    Russell? Really?? What the crap are we going to be left with to “build around” as far as relief goes!?!?

    • Jack Weiland

      You don’t build around relief. You stick failed starters there.

    • Norm

      “Russell? Really?? What the crap are we going to be left with to “build around” as far as relief goes!?!?”
      -Things that wouldn’t have been said 12 months ago
      Goes to show how fungible relievers are. They are everywhere, ripe for the picking, Most easily replaced “asset” in baseball.

  • Joshua Edwards

    Eh…relievers have such little value–even good ones–that anyone in the Cubs’ pen is worth including for a high ceiling prospect.

    Would you’d give Russell a Sean Marshall contract.? I wouldn’t. And Russell wouldn’t net Marshall’s return in a trade by himself.

    I would absolutely throw him into the deal if it nets a Webster-quality guy.

    • Jack Weiland

      100% agreed. The bullpen is about the last thing we need to worry about building. Once the rotation and lineup are set, contending teams can fill out the bullpen pretty easily. Especially ones with deep, rich farm systems.

  • Kevin

    This better be good……….all eyes on Theo

  • MightyBear

    If you have to send Camp, do it. He doesn’t fit in the future and they picked him up on waivers this year. Especially if you can get Webster.

  • Kansas Cubs Fan

    If Russell goes with Demp they had better be robbing the Dodgers blind.

  • socalicubsfan

    Take your pick between Camp or Russell… Our leverage was poopy, so if they can flip for two prospects (Webster and a young prospect) I’d call it good. Sometimes you have to give quality to get quality!

  • Adam

    Probably waiting on Dempster to approve the deal.

    • dudeski

      watch him decide that he only wants to go to ATL

      • Cooper

        yes, he realized that Chipper is actually his BFF, so now (that it is not possible to make a deal to them) he wants only the Braves

  • BluBlud

    Webster is from a few minutes up the road me. As a home town guy, him pitching for the Cubs would give me a double rooting interest. I hope we get him.

    • cubmig

      Can you run up the road and find out more info on the details of what went down?

      • Cyranojoe

        The kid’s gonna be the last to know, sadly.

      • BluBlud

        Considering he will probably find out when we do, its unlikely to help. Plus I have the baby, so, I’m not willing to pack all her stuff up just to get a scoop.

  • FutureSustainedSuccess

    I don’t see how a trade “ends the idea that Demp & Theo/Jed are on bad terms.” I’m sure they’re so fed up with Demp that they just want him gone.

    • CastrotoBarneytoRizzo

      No….That kind of thinking was or prior regimes. This group is not abut to “cave” just to get rid of a guy. He is still one of their assets, and even though he has lost value over the last week or so, he still has value, and they will get it. Have faith !!!

      • cubmig

        Man, I’m counting on that! If Theo&Jed “caved”, I’m gonna’ be pissed!!!!

  • anotherjp

    Reed and a lower level prospect for Dempster & Russell- that make sense?

    • anotherjp

      Or maybe Dempster & Camp… I like that better.

  • DCF

    Fear not little Brett, if the Cubs can land a legit SP prospect than it’s mission accomplished for Theo/Jed, right?
    Sure, having to include Russell ain’t great, but in the current rebuilding frenzy pretty much everyone in the bullpen is expendable for potential impact return.

    • Cyranojoe

      Yeahhh… you’re probably right. Impact future return > solid current bullpen pitcher.

  • Jason

    “Cubs bent over backward for this.”

    Edit: “Cubs got bent over for this”.

  • Garrett

    my question is who would start tonight if dempster is for sure gone?

    • Cyranojoe

      Coleman’s already been called up, AFAIK.