Trade Deadline Blogathon: Hour 20

I am currently blogging – here, on Facebook, and on Twitter (hash tag #BNBlogathon for those who want to jump into the fray themselves) – for 30 hours straight, until slightly past MLB’s July 31 non-waiver trade deadline. I’ll be doing recaps on the process throughout the day, but you’ll also see normal posting (Bullets, Series Preview, Pre-Gamin’, EBS), as well as an uptick in rumor/trade posts.

Ok. This has become hard. Obviously I knew it would be hard – that was the whole point. And I also knew that this time of day might be the worst, even worse than the very end of the 30 hours. My thoughts are running together. I’m tired. But I’m artificial stimulated (I’m not tired enough to know how that sounds). My stomach doesn’t feel so great.

I’m reminded of why, through law school and years of lawyering, I never pulled an all-nighter. Some folks are just built for it, and I’m not one of those folks. Even if it’s just a couple hours, I need sleep.

The sun will be a welcome sight.

Total Posts So Far:

24 (and a WHOLE bunch of updates).

News and Rumors Since the Last Recap:

The Diamondbacks are trying to put together a “blockbuster,” which may or may not include the likes of Cliff Lee or *gasp* Felix Hernandez.

Most Interesting Tidbit Since the Last Recap:

It’s that Diamondbacks bit, no doubt (Ken Rosenthal appears to be the only writer burning the way-after-midnight oil. Good on him.). If they snag a tip-top pitcher, how do the Giants and Dodgers not respond?

Current Thoughts About the Chicago Cubs’ Trade Deadline Strategy/Execution:

Still feeling good about the direction. If the Cubs closed up shop right now, having dealt only Maholm, Johnson, and Soto, I’d probably be a bit annoyed (mostly about Dempster). But I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Current Beverage/Stimulant of Choice:

I’ve finally cracked one of the energy drinks. A “Rockstar Perfect Berry.” They oversold it. It tastes like carbonated Pepto-Bismol. And I’m pretty sure it’s having the opposite effect on my stomach.

Strangest Thought Passing Through My Mind:

I think about running down my driveway, just to run. Not, like, to get away. And not necessarily to exercise. But just to run. I haven’t done it yet. But I might.

A Selection of #BNBlogathon Tweets:

Current Mood:

I can’t lie. I’m weary.

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

145 responses to “Trade Deadline Blogathon: Hour 20”

  1. Eric

    Nice bags under the eyes there.

  2. DCF

    Keep it up! There’s at least two more trades involving the Cubs coming up, or so I’ve heard.

  3. Rich

    Brett forget Pujols
    YOU are the machine

  4. someday...2015?

    The pic says it all. Keep it up Brett. You know you’ll sleeping like a baby around 3:01 pm today. Im guessing that’s when I’ll be waking up. :)

  5. Michael Scott

    I had to get up early to catch up on Cubs news. Did I turn on the television? No…. Here I am checking out the Bleacher Nation Blogathon! Keep your eyes open.

    1. EB

      Haha me too. I felt like a kid on Christmas Eve. Couldn’t sleep then woke up early to see what shiny new prospects Santa had brought for the Cubs

  6. Stinky Pete

    Do ya have a dress to go with those bags?

  7. Ben

    You will probably miss some last minute action if you go to sleep at 3:01!! I think you would need to stay up till 4 in case something comes through late :) You are looking weary! drink a nice hot cup of coffee!

  8. a_mazz_ing

    “Ok. This has become hard. Obviously I knew it would be hard – that was the whole point.”

    That’s what she said.

    1. LaHair4MVP

      LOL. I see what you did there.

  9. someday...2015?

    Oh and the running down the driveway is a good idea. Jumping jacks, push ups, ect… They are all great, little activities if you have to keep yourself up.

  10. Idaho Razorback

    Keep up the good work Brett. You look like what I feel like. I’ve been up for 5 hours. Tending to the old lady she’s 57, I’m 38. She hurt her hip, not broken though, ha!

  11. Cubbie Tim

    You could always turn on Stern. Bababouey hey now

  12. CubFan Paul

    I don’t think the DBacks will acquire a pitcher that isn’t under control for next year, so I think Garza is still in play there

  13. Ben

    Mike and Mike in the Morning Show ESPN Radio!

  14. Ben

    You ought to try and snag a Coke Zero or your favorite coffee brand sponsor out of this….you will never know if they might be interested if you don’t try !

    1. CubFan Paul

      Home brewed Starbuck is the best

  15. cjdubbya

    Personal fave is Amp – the red one. I have a spare if needed.

    1. BluBlud

      I’m definitely pro Amp, but the Lemonade flavor is actually the cats pajamas for me. Haha, I finally used Cats Pajamas.

      1. cjdubbya

        Lemonade is solid too, I’d say #2 on my list. I’m not a huge Mountain Dew (original) fan, so the green one is a bit over the top for my liking. Prob the bottom of the list, with the purple and blue ones tied for third? #AmpRankings!

  16. cjdubbya

    Also, looks like there’s a front about an hour or two out from West C-bus, if the rain splashing on your face will wake you up, there you go. #AmateurMeteorologistInMySpareTime

  17. JP cubed

    Dempster “remains adamant that he will only approve a trade to the Dodgers,” reports Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. If this is a true statement the fact that Demps has made it the worst kept secret in baseball makes him a complete douchenozzle.

    1. BluBlud

      Dempster has really turned my view of him. I was a big Dempster guy. I know ARam crushed us last deadline by not letting us trade him, but at least he was honest about it. Dempster is really looking bad.

  18. MaxM1908

    Ok: What are the predictions for today? I think Demp, Garza, and Camp go. Demp is unsatisfying, Garza brings in a surprisingly good haul and Camp gets us a 1 high upside prospect.

    1. BluBlud

      Demp for sure. Baker probably. Sori and Marmol are my wildcards.

      1. MaxM1908

        I would love to see a Marmol trade. That would be great.

        1. cjdubbya

          Man…if all that happens, that’s 40% of the 25-man roster turned over in like 18 hours’ time. Craziness.

      2. Assman22

        Cubs/Dodgers working on blockbuster including Demp/Soriano/BJax….A couple calls came in about Marmol + cash going the other way….If Garza is moved it’ll be in the 11th hour

        1. CubFan Paul

          Assman you were wrong/vague yesterday morning. Now you’re just guessing

          1. Assman22

            Thanks Paul

          2. MaxM1908

            Not sure he was wrong. He said he had a source which said a trade would happen yesterday, but the source wouldn’t reveal the names. Two trades happened. Not sure how he was “wrong.” Vague, perhaps, but not wrong.

        2. BluBlud


        3. DocPeterWimsey

          Hey AM (? Homo mulensis), is the Maholm-Johnson trade the one you expected to happen yesterday afternoon? Or is that one still in limbo?

          1. Assman22

            Could’ve been. Like I said, what I heard was that the first domino was likely to fall yesterday afternoon but didn’t hear names. FO is keeping it all close to vest.

            Cubs had given all 4 teams that wanted Reed, a deadline of yesterday afternoon with their best offers. Given all the trade activity yesterday, I could see why it took a bit longer but again he was only off by 4-5 hours if that was the trade he was referring to.

            Don’t be surprise if BJax doesn’t play another game with the Cubs organization…

        4. JP cubed

          Thanks as always assman. While that does make sense moving BJax in the deal to get better prospects coming back and would explain the Muscat confusion on he’s being called up or not, I don’t know why the dodgers would be willing to part with top tier prospects since we have zero leverage

          1. MaxM1908

            I think Assman’s info fits in well with how things played out last night. BJAX was pulled from the game. Reporters started reporting he was called up. Then, there were tweets saying the Cubs’ FO was telling them to not run the called up angle. That to me sounded suspiciously like a trade…

          2. Assman22

            Dodgers are deep in pitching prospects, Cubs are deep in position prospects. Cubs like a couple arms in their system well enough to include BJax, whom mind you, Theo/Jed aren’t as high on as most. If BJax is dealt, it will be similar to the Rizzo/Cashner trade earlier….a top hitting prospect for a top pitching prospect. Cubs are desperate for some near ML-ready pitching prospects.

    2. a_mazz_ing

      I’m still so curious about B-Jax being pulled yesterday… I wonder if he’s joining someone in a trade. But I’d assume we would have heard something by now.

      1. MaxM1908

        You’re hearing it from THE Assman.

  19. DocPeterWimsey

    I would be listening to The Clash about now.

    1. beerhelps

      Black Market Clash

  20. Evolution

    That’s the pic you’ll want to use in “the registry”…

  21. Leroy K.

    This absolutely blows, I was thrown into a combatives class which means I don’t get access to the computer like I normally do. I am missing out on EVERYTHING. GRRRR

  22. Adam1680

    What level Leroy? I did levels 2-3 at benning.

  23. curt

    i guess i dont understand why the cubs are still messing with the dodgers either take the chump change deal their offering or tellem to freaking get lost already, btw i would have guessed that anyone but dempster on this team given the same situation would have done this but i kind of thought demp would do whats best for the cubs at the end guess not let him finish the yr with the cubs and boot his butt out the door at the end just end this bs once and for all.

    1. CubFan Paul

      If Dempster isn’t traded today, he should finish the year in bullpen mopping up starts by Coleman, Volstad & Rusin

      1. Scotti

        Bud Selig wouldn’t allow that. You can’t penalize someone for using 10-5 rights.

        1. Jack Weiland

          You’re kidding, right?

          1. Scotti

            Uh, no. The Cubs would be up shits creek w/o a paddle with both MLB and the Union if they tried anything.

            1. Jack Weiland

              The Cubs can use their players as they see fit. The league and PA have no say in lineup decisions. That’s insane and unprecedented. Neither the league nor the PA have any recourse for something like that.

              The reason it won’t happen is because it would kill the Cubs reputation with future free agents, and the front office isn’t dumb enough to let a short term squabble damage their long-term goals.

              1. Internet Random

                What Jack said.

              2. Scotti

                The recourse is called a grievance. WAY before you get to that, though, you have Bud stepping in for the good of the game. Retaliation for using your 10-5 rights? You bet he has the power to step in there.

                *somewhere else you suggested that the Cubs would have their doctors testify that the move was in Dempster’s best interest. MLB teams do not use quack doctors and only a quack doctor would fudge something like that. The guy would be risking his medical lic.

                *somewhere else you suggested that I don’t know what is in his medical file. I do however know that A) this is an attempt to get even with him (as stated earlier). I also know that B) the Cubs felt he was healthy enough to trade as a starter and C) healthy enough to start for them. I also know that you have never seen his med file yet you make wild assumptions that the medical staff will risk their medical careers to cover for this vendeta.

                1. Jack Weiland

                  I’ve said probably three or four times doing this would be foolish and petty and dumb.

                  What I’m debating with you is whether or not the PA would easily win such a grievance, as you suggest. I also question whether or not it might ACTUALLY BE IN DEMPSTER’S BEST INTEREST to be used in smaller doses. I’m not a doctor, but it’s possible. You assume there’s no way that’s the case, and I don’t think you’re basing that on anything other than this originating from a comment to punish Dempster. To me, it’s entirely possible that it’s not quack science but real, actual science that Dempster needs to have his workload lightened up.

                2. Jack Weiland

                  You’re stuck on likelihood, when I’ve said all along nobody would be dumb enough to do this, and certainly not this FO.

                  We were debating the hypothetical (or so I thought) of what would happen if a team DID try this. I’ve never said it would be a good idea, and on the contrary have said many, many times it would be insanely short sighted.

                  I just don’t think the PA would have such an open and shut case that there wouldn’t be a fight about it, as you seem to think you know.

          2. DocPeterWimsey

            Scotti is correct: it would be no different from an employer trying to punish a female employee for taking maternity leave.

            1. Jack Weiland

              Punish her how? She’s still getting paid, still working there, just doing different stuff.

              Can you give me a single example where the league or PA stepped in and told a team how to use its players?

              1. DocPeterWimsey

                No team has been dumb enough to try something like what you propose. That speaks volumes right there.

                1. Jack Weiland

                  And neither will the Cubs. But suggesting that Overlord Bud Selig is tacitly approving all ML roster and lineup moves is absurd.

                  1. DocPeterWimsey

                    Your logic is fallacious. This does not mean that Bud or the Union approves lineups. It does mean that player are protected from being punished for exercising their rights. What good is the 10-5 rule if teams can just punish players for invoking it?

                    1. Jack Weiland

                      It means that if you do something Bud Selig doesn’t like, he’s going to remedy that. And there’s no basis for that whatsoever.

                    2. Jack Weiland

                      Also, I didn’t say they “approve lineups” I said they “tacitly approve lineups” and there’s a big difference. The suggestion here is that there’s tacit approval from the league and PA when a team decides how to use its own players.

                    3. DocPeterWimsey

                      It means that if you violate the players rights as agreed upon by the union and owners, then you get in trouble. And it is the union that would pitch a fit, not Bud.

                    4. Jack Weiland

                      They might pitch a fit, but I think it’s hard to prove that “lightening his workload” given that he’s been to the DL twice this season is violating his rights.

                      That would be unprecedented and I imagine the resulting dispute would be massive. The implications of the PA (or anyone other than the Cubs) saying “Sorry, you have to use Ryan Dempster in your starting rotation” are massive.

                    5. Scotti

                      Jack, the Commish acts for the good of the game. There is all sorts of history of his office doing that. If he were to see a team retaliate against a 10-5 he would nip it in the bud (no pun).

                    6. Jack Weiland

                      Not sure why you put the no pun part, that was a very good pun.

                      Anyway … I agree wholeheartedly with that. I disagree that this would be received as an open and shut case of something that’s punitive. I think both sides would have compelling cases, and that the outcome could go either way. I think the Cubs saying “We want to use him in high leverage relief instead of the rotation” is justifiable enough to make it a close call.

                      I also think no team, and certainly not this current Cubs FO, would be petty and foolish enough to do this.

                      Anyway, I’ve enjoyed debating with you fellas. Not much more to say on my end.

              2. gutshot5820

                Just for arguments sake, you can always put him in the pen and say that you want to see the young rookie pitchers pitch to see what they are worth. Don’t teams bench veteran players with no future on the team for younger players all the time?

                1. Jack Weiland

                  Or they could say their bullpen sucks and they have a good pitcher who has been on the DL twice already this season and want to lighten his workload. They could say all sorts of things.

                  They won’t do it, but that’s not because Bud Selig would be pissed.

                  1. Scotti

                    And the player would file a grievance unless he got run over by the union on their way to file it. The CBA simply does not allow for retaliation (and, no, Bud wouldn’t allow a team to be in such blatant disregard to the CBA).

                  2. Jack Weiland

                    I think proving this as retaliation would be next to impossible. Not impossible, but next to impossible.

                    Mopup guy = retaliation. Moving him to high leverage bullpen innings = lightening his workload.

                  3. Jack Weiland

                    And anyway, let’s not pretend that “filing a grievance” means we can assume the result of that grievance.

                    1. DocPeterWimsey

                      Dempster would win in a heartbeat. What you propose could not be more blatant if they issued a press release titled RACHE!!!!

                    2. Scotti

                      Uh, yes, we can. First, we know Bud would put an end to it before a grievance was filed. Second, there is no legitimate reason to send him to the pen AND it would cause him ecconomic harm.

                    3. Jack Weiland

                      Taking a guy who has been on the DL twice in just over a half season and putting in the pen isn’t a legitimate reason?? Sure it is.

                    4. DocPeterWimsey

                      And how many cases of this have happened in recent memory? By my count, zero.

                      You are being irrational because you want to punish Dempster for not doing what you want him to do.

                    5. Jack Weiland

                      I don’t want to punish Dempster at all. That accusation is baseless and offensive. I think it’s cool as heck that he said “I’m human, people make mistakes” … totally over it. I also think it would be insanely dumb for the Cubs (or any team in this situation) to do this.

                      We’re having a debate about the rules and powers of entities in baseball. Don’t make it into something it’s not.

                      What I disagree with, is what power the PA has, and how that case would be decided. I disagree with the assumption that it’s an open and shut case.

                2. Scotti

                  Generally, no. Especially not dudes who are second in the league in ERA.

                  1. Jack Weiland

                    … “dudes who are second in the league in ERA” and have been on the DL twice this year already.

                    1. gutshot5820

                      Regardless, we all know this would never happen and if for some crazy reason they did do it, it would not be done blatantly and they come up with a credible reason. This is pure mental exercise and mental torture.

                    2. Jack Weiland

                      Debating things is fun! What else are we going to do? Sit around and wait for more Dempster non-news?

                    3. Scotti

                      Immaterial. He’s second in ERA (so there is no compelling performance issue). He’s been on the DL but neither he, nor his doctor, nor the Cubs doctor would recomend him pitching in the pen for “health” reasons. (FWIW, Cub doctors are actual doctors with real practices–they wouldn’t toss their careers away so some fool could extract some revenge).

                    4. Jack Weiland

                      I want to be clear that I’ve said from the beginning doing this would be foolish and the Cubs are not that short sighted.

                      HOWEVER … how do you know the inner workings of Ryan Dempster’s medical file? You don’t. You also can’t predict the outcome of such a grievance (which I agree would be filed immediately, whether Dempster wanted to or not).

                      I think we agree more than we disagree here, but I reject the idea that the PA getting pissed and filing a grievance automatically means the Cubs would be told how to use their own roster.

                    5. Jack Weiland

                      DL time is “immaterial” … in what way? Missing one start is immaterial. He was not on their active roster for 30 days so far this season. Even if he stays healthy from here on out, he’ll have missed 10% of the time he could have been on the field for the Cubs. I would call that material.

                  2. gutshot5820

                    I’m no expert, but I think the Cubs can do whatever they want with Dempster as long as they are paying his salary. There would have to be concrete evidence that any moves the Cubs made was in direct retaliation for not approving a trade. Without a recorded conversation or email proving that motive, it would be very difficult for MLB to step in.

                    1. DocPeterWimsey

                      Again, teams cannot do “whatever they like.”. The CBA is a legal document, after all. Correlation is not causation, but it is evidence of causation, and thus relevant evidence here.

                    2. Jack Weiland

                      Very true. If the Cubs said “We’re going to stick now healthy Ryan Dempster in our bullpen and never use him for the rest of the season” I’d agree. That would be a clear violation, and clearly punitive.

                      Putting him in the pen and using him in a late inning role, however, is different.

                    3. Scotti

                      Your first point isn’t true. They could not, for instance, demand he play SS to draw his salary. They can, however, demand that he take the field as a pitcher. They cannot do whatever they want. To your second point, also untrue. The case would go before a panel or a judge who simply judge based upon the information before them. There is no proof beyond a reasonable doubt. There is simply how they decide–their opinion. It would be a slam dunk.

                    4. gutshot5820

                      Again, the Cubs can bring up a few pitchers from the minor leagues and let Dempster know they want to start the kids for the rest of the season to find out how good they are. Since he will no longer be with the club at the end of the season and they are already out of the race, they want to plan for the future. How is this NOT credible and you would have to prove that this was in fact not done in retaliation.

                      Dempster would be pissed and this would never happen in real life, but I disagree that MLB would have any credible case. You are assuming that Theo would announce to the public they are doing this in retaliation, but if they were to do it in real life, it would be done methodically and with enough excuses.

                    5. Jack Weiland

                      Suggesting that RP and SP are as different as SP and SS is such a bogus representation of my argument that I’m not even going to bother with it.

                    6. Scotti

                      Putting the #2 ERA guy who is also a free agent (and will lose future monies by such a move) is certainly punitive. And, again, this all started with folk saying they want to stick it to him.

                    7. Jack Weiland

                      “How this started” now THAT is immaterial. The point we’re debating is whether or not the league or PA have sufficient reach in a hypothetical case like this.

                    8. Jack Weiland

                      Right and “their opinion” would be based on two sides.

                      The PAs: our player didn’t let them trade him, so they’re punishing him by giving a role as lowly as relief pitcher.

                      And the Cubs: We have a pitcher who has been injured twice this season and our medical staff feels we have a better chance of keeping him healthy by using him in smaller doses.

                      I hardly think that’s a slam dunk case. And we’re getting to the point where we “disagree to agree” … which I’m cool with. You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, and I respect the reasons you have it. I’m entitled to mine, and have a hard time believing that would be as open and shut as you might believe.

                    9. DocPeterWimsey

                      We can count the number of times where teams have successfully punished players for invoking 10-5 (or other CBA rights) on our wing tips. Teams would if they could.

                    10. Scotti

                      Gunshot, as sly as anyone would want to make it there is no credible reason to move a start who is #2 in ERA to the pen. The Cubs don’t HAVE a single real prospect that could have a real reason to bump him. It would be obvious on it’s face.

                    11. Jack Weiland

                      “Teams would if they could” … this is my whole point. I don’t think that’s true, because of how it would be received in future negotiations.

                    12. gutshot5820

                      Well, this is all just a mental exercise. My opinion, they can DFA Dempster, bench him and make whatever roster moves they want as long are paying his salary. They can’t fine him or suspend him but who can prove one way or another their true motive if they plam carefully. I’m done.

    2. J R

      Why do so many people think Dempster is such a good Cub? Because he has a foundation? Because he cracks jokes sometimes in interviews? Because he pitches well in contract years? Because he rails the nanny? He’s a turd who lied about his willingness to help the Cubs. Nothing more, nothing less…

      1. Mike

        Where’s a “like” button when you need it!

  24. MI6

    Brett, now would be a good time for you to review the impact of the changing draft system on the long term structures of player contracts. What impact will that have on contract stratification between US and International players? :-)

    Hang in there!

  25. donnie kessinger


  26. gutshot5820

    Nothing was even close between the Dodgers and Cubs late Monday according to Heyman. I guess we are stuck with Dempster for the rest of the year. Darn, these Cubs players really, really must like playing in Chicago. Nobody ever wants to leave.

    1. Assman22

      Not to be a dick, but half of Heyman’s sources are comic book characters. That report is 100% false.

      1. gutshot5820

        Not to be a dick, but it’s hard to believe a guy named Assman on a Cubs blog has any kind of credible info on what the cubs plans are when nobody else in the national media has any clue.

        1. Scotti

          Given the track record of said media and of said Ass… I vote for more Ass!

        2. rhino70

          Assman22′s track record speaks for itself.

        3. Drew7

          You obviously havent been paying attention to this guy, then.

          1. DocPeterWimsey

            He could have chosen a more convincing moniker, however. How about Deep Throat?

            1. MaxM1908

              Tee hee hee heee. snicker snicker.

            2. TonyP

              We need to track down the identity of Assman. Anyone know anyone in the FBI or CIA?

              1. MaxM1908

                I was just operating under the assumption that he is Tom Ricketts. We all know how buddy-buddy Brett and Tom are. This is just TR’s way of supporting the blog.

        4. J R

          Assman has been right in many predictions, so what’s not to like with his comments? Besides he’s a porn star when he’s not correctly predicting trades and moves.. Give the guy a break.

  27. Master Dan

    Wow, those bags under your eyes make you look like a crack head.

    1. rhino70

      All blog and no sleep makes Brett a tired boy

  28. Larry Bittner

    wow, you look like shit. Perhaps we can see a series of decomposition pictures of you through out the night. You know, Before and Afters?

  29. Sheppard

    Brett, I had a great night of sleep but have not changed the underwear for almost 30 hours..
    I can change when you sleep.

  30. TonyP

    Dude you look like chit but we all appreciate it. This is the most enjoyable trade deadline I’ve ever had.

    1. Austin


      ….about the enjoyable trade deadline comment haha