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I’m going to file this under a misspeak, rather than a slip of the tongue. Yeah. I’m sure this was just a memory issue.

But, it would be a big deal if it wasn’t a mere bit of mis-remembering, so it’s worth pointing out.

When asked about his advice for Starlin Castro, who is on the verge of inking a big-time, $60 million extension, Alfonso Soriano had a number of great things to say – remember to save some money, stay hungry and passionate about baseball, take care of your family, don’t forget that the tax man takes half, etc.

He also said something that immediately struck me as troublesome.

“When I signed my contract, I was 32,” Soriano said, according to Carrie Muskat. “I knew what I wanted. Before, during my years of arbitration, I had a lot of ‘friends,’ but my agent and my financial guy were always on top of me. They said, ‘You got the money, more people will come. Don’t be afraid to say no. You didn’t have that friend before – why is the friend now coming?’”

The troublesome part, of course, is that, based on his reported birthdate (January 7, 1976), Soriano wasn’t 32 when he signed with the Cubs in November 2006, he was 30. Having already had his age corrected once while in the big leagues, you can understand why the age thing is probably always going to be an issue with Soriano. If he was actually 32 when he signed with the Cubs, rather than 30, his rapid decline would be even easier to understand (and the next two years even more daunting).

Do I actually think Soriano is two years older than he says he is, and his web of lies just came crumbling down because of one slip of the tongue? Nah.

It’s far more likely that he simply misspoke, or mis-remembered. Perhaps he was talking about his age as of the first season of his big contract, when he would have been 31. So he was off by a year. I forget how old I was when stuff happened all the time.

Maybe the explanation is even more mundane – maybe Carrie misheard what Soriano said. Or maybe, for some reason, he wasn’t saying “32,” he was saying “30, too” (Castro will be 30 when this extension ends, depending on the option year).

In other words, I’m not saying this is a ground-breaking thing, and this is probably the last you’ll hear of it. But, man, I’d be lying if I said it didn’t knock me for a loop when I saw that quote.

  • Sam

    MLB should allow for voided contracts from players who falsified documents

    • Hee Seop Chode

      Aren’t all legal documents null and void if one participant knowingly and fraudulently enters into the agreement under false pretense?

  • TWC

    Oh, thank GOODNESS we’ll have something to talk about here today. And I thought today’s discussions were just going to be a bunch of rehashing of past arguments (e.g., ARam).

    Oh, wait.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Don’t blame the … um … dude who read the quote and thought about it.

      • TWC

        Nah, just rolling my eyes a bit. What you wrote was fine, smart, and reasonable. It’s just the direction things are going to take down here in the comments in 3… 2… 1…

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I know … sadly, I know.

          • Luke D

            I paused a bit when I read that yesterday, too. Interesting.

            But it would make this year all the more impressive for Sori. A 38 year old improving on his defense and having his best year since his 33 year old season? Infreakincredible.

            • Cyranojoe

              Good point.

    • hansman1982

      Which one do you want to discuss? Mark Cuban, Cubs are a big-market team, Theo is an idiot, others???

      • Dave H

        Ryno should be the manager?

        • Brian

          No, we need Lou Brown.

          • Dave H

            He’s on the other line talking to a guy about some whitewalls. He’ll get back to ya.

      • SirCub

        I miss the Dick Tidrow rants…

        • TWC

          Oh, I PINE for those days.

  • Flashfire

    Let’s say for a second that he was 32 and this was a genuine slip. (I don’t this was an accidental admission, either, but just for arguments sake.) Can the Cubs then void the last 2 years of the deal for falsified information? What are the MLB rules on this and what penalty would they enforce?

    • JR

      I highly doubt it. But that would be so awesome. Sori your 2 years older than you said. Ok, were taking our $36 mill over the next 2 years.

  • crazyhorse

    So let go after Current Cubs – okay if Soriano lied about his age . I feel the Cubs could and should void his contract. I dislike liars and cheats – and people with double standards and quitters.

  • Fastball

    The guy doesn’t speak perfect English and it’s Carrie Muskrat doing the reporting. Case Closed. Hell I couldn’t tell you how old I was when I got married, when my first kid was born or what my parents birthdays are. I would have to guess at how old I was when I started working at a particular company. Case Closed…

    • MoneyBoy

      You don’t remember how old you were when you were married? When your first “kid” was born? Your parents birthdays?

      You are either severely brain damaged or a moron beyond the realm of comprehension.

      No Brett, I’m not happy about actually flaming someone here but this … sorry, could NOT let this go!

      • hansman1982

        I am the same way…I remember those types of events like they were yesterday but if you asked me how old I was I would have to think about it…

        That’s part of getting older…

      • wv23

        Why is that so hard to believe, MoneyBoy?

        My son asked me the other day how old I was when he was born. I had to stop, remember what year he was born and then figure out how old that made me when he was born.

        I’m not sure how many “kids” you have, but this thought process wasn’t part of the equation: “This is the greatest day of my life, and I’m 35 years old!” Milestones past a certain age aren’t measured by your birthdays, but by events.

        I’m guessing you think I’m brain damaged now, too. You, of course, would be wrong.

  • Fastball

    I would be more excited if Mark Cuban were to put in a bid for the Cubs that Ricketty couldn’t pass up. Then we would have something to talk about that would be interesting.

    • Flashfire

      Yes, and then Bud Selig would say: “Sorry, Mark Cuban isn’t approved by the other 29 owners. You can’t sell to him.”

      • Scotti

        I spoke with Cuban via email twelve years ago about buying the Cubs so I was in his corner when he put in his bid. But there is a huge misperception about what type of owner he would be. He would NOT spend oodles of cash trying to build through free agency. I am certain, however, that he wouldn’t be doing this whole lose now/win later deal. His first directive as Mavs owner was that if anyone was caught talking about the team’s poor W-L record in the media they would be fired. Winners need to think of themselves as winners first.

        Even with the misguided suck now concept I like Ricketts as the owner. He has a deep connection to the team and they are in it for the long haul.

  • Chef

    I thought it was naturally assumed that every player from the Dominican is 2-3 yrs older than actually stated.

    • Scotti

      Actually, no. Aramis Ramirez, for instance, was as age certain as anyone born in the States. His parents are both doctors and they did NOT want him signing a contract to play baseball.

  • EQ76

    “mis-remembered”??? I guess Andy Pettite was involved somehow.

  • crazyhorse

    When i was kid Dave Kingman was one of my Cubs Hero (I was a kid) I would go to the game just so i can see the Kong hit. My only wish was for the Cubs to win and me Catch a Kingman homerun .. later i realize Kingman was not a great player but for one summer he was the best and the next few years i always waited for him to reproduce those numbers and I always defended him. (i was a kid)

    When the rumors came out that the Cubs might sign Theo Epstien i was like wow . I thought that he would be a good GM and i figured with his eye to draft talented young baseball players that crossed over to MLB roster was a win win. But when the Cubs annouced that they hired him to be president of Baseball Operation i had my doubts.

    Running a major league franchise and developing players are two different talents

    • Chris

      So in other words, you don’t think they will rebuild the franchise successfully? Who would manage the operations, if not Theo? Hendry had been basically doing the whole job. Theo’s brought in a plethora of experienced, successful baseball guys to help him revamp the organization. He’s had 10 months on the job. How can anybody make an analysis that this isn’t working? The on-field play is bad. Young guys are getting experience. The FO is evaluating scrap-heap guys to determine who’s around next year. While we can all disagree with some of the individual decisions this FO has made, progress from the bottom of the organization up to the ML is what I’m looking for. And it will probably take 24-36 months. Not 10. In 2012, the Rookie league and SS-A teams are both in the playoffs. Holdovers from the Hendry era, with a few Theo/Jed guys sprinkled in. There’s our baseline to measure against starting next season.

  • Jarrod C.

    I’m going to go with the “30, too” theory. That honestly makes the most sense. And he has an accent. It’s probably pretty hard to distinguish between “32″ and “30, too.” Being from another country and speaking another language, he probably didn’t notice it sounded like 32. People who speak English as a second language

  • Jarrod C.

    I’m going to go with the “30, too” theory. That honestly makes the most sense. And he has an accent. It’s probably pretty hard to distinguish between “32″ and “30, too.” Being from another country and speaking another language, he probably didn’t notice it sounded like 32. People who speak English as a second language often do not know when they are supposed to add a pause in their sentences. That’s my opinion. Hopefully I’m right but we may not find out the truth anytime soon.

    • Bric

      Question- just going with your take that he has a limited proficiency of English, why the hell would he say “I was 30, too?” Castro’s not 30. Not even close to it. Hompohones and cognates and language proficiency have nothing to do with it (unless Castro is apparently really 30).

      Sorry, man, I seriously don’t mean to bust your balls but I thought the days of the Cubs political spin machine ended when Hendry left. Apparently not. So Sori lied (probably more than once). Big deal. If you want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at the FO and scouts- the good “old school” baseball guys who gave him the contract. Do you really think they didn’t know? The only people who were lied to were us and I’m not shocked or pissed by it all because I never believed it in the 1st place. My name is Fausto Carmona, and I endorced this message.

      • crazyhorse

        Gaff, you meant Soriano Correct? not castro?

        • Bric

          No. I’m refuting the possibility the other post suggested that Soriano, when reffering to Castro’s new contract, said “When I signed, I was 30, too (instead of saying “32″).

          If that’s what he was really saying, then it means he was somehow comparing his experience with Castro’s (who apparently is 30). That’s why he apparently said “I was 30, too”. Castro’s not 30, so why would he say “I was 30, too?”

          • crazyhorse

            I am sorry —my gaff

            • TWC

              Dude, the word is “gaffe”. The first couple of times you used it, I thought it was a typo, but it appears not. A “gaff” is a type of fishing pole.

              • crazyhorse

                lol you caught it to or is it two or just plan too- i am confused – but In Port Aransas . A place I love to get away and do some deep fishing . The island has a bar call the Gaff and when tourist walks in sometimes they ask . What a gaff tourist even Americans say a mistake – the locals well you just gave a solid answer

                • crazyhorse

                  Or was that a gaffe but not a gaff —– English can be so confusing

                  • TWC

                    … for some people.

                  • crazyhorse

                    yeah well gaffe and gaff sounds the same – its a ploy and a pity that Soriano didnt type his answer out so we all know what he said err meant. for all people

                • Bric

                  You might be right. Despite the fact that the dude’s lived in the U.S. for about 8 months a year for the past 15 years, has conducted probably 5,000 or more interviews, and has run up who knows how many restaurant, night club, grocery and department store bills, he still might not know the difference between two and too. Sure, we’ll go with that. It worked for Sosa and congress. Cheers, bro.

          • crazyhorse

            because he was thirty too .when he signed a big contract with the cubs? The Cubs giving out a long term contract. The contract being the object that is similar ? and not the age in common.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              Yeah, like he could have been saying, “[You have to remember that, when I signed,] I was 30, too [as in also, as in this is an additional point I'm making that distinguishes my experience from Castro's].” It’s not his first language, and I could definitely see him meaning it that way.

  • Dave H

    As much as I would like to get mad at Fonzi, Hendry and Co were the ones that gave him the contract. As for his age, oh well. He can still swing the bat and the D has improved. He’s the only run producer we have. The junior circuit will have another DH eventually.

  • JulioZuleta

    This is 100% off topic, I just came across it reading a different thing. I’m HUGE Curtis Granderson fan (same college (only notable athlete-alumnus), met him a few times, great guy…). Anyways, I just read that when he was growing up in the Chicago suburbs,he didn’t like the Cubs because he would get pisse off when he ran home from school to watch Saved by the Bell on WGN, but the Cubs were on instead. I can’t decide if that makes me like him more or less.

    I have always hoped Jackson would turn in to Granderson-lite. (Solid tools, lots of swing and miss)

    • SirCub

      That’s an awesome story.

      • TWC

        No, it’s not. It makes Curtis Granderson a total douchebag.

        • JulioZuleta

          Haha, he really is a great guy. There was a story a few years ago on ESPN about him. He had been in touch with a young boy with leukemia and made plans to see him as soon as the season ended. They exchanged tons of e-mail’s over the course of the season. Unfortunately, the disease progressed much faster than expected and he died before Granderson made it out there. Since he didn’t make it to see him, he went to his funeral instead and read a bunch of the e-mails they exchanged and talked a lot about their relationship. Touching stuff. I REALLY wanted him to be a Cub when he was available.

          • hardtop

            i am with you. i’ve never wanted the cubs to overspend on a free agent, but he was my guy; i would have gladly overpaid granderson.

            • TWC

              Oh, I would gladly have him on my team, but picking Zach Morris over the Cubs? = Douche. Bag.

          • Richard Nose

            JZ be droppin good bombs on us today. Good stuff.

  • Dustin S

    Considering he previously admitted lying about his age by 2 years, who knows. If I had to guess, it’s probably a deal where the dates are cloudy in his head with the past lying and it’d be easy to be off by 2 years. Anyone who hasn’t lied about their birthdate clearly knows what their birth year was. But like anything, start lying and it’s hard to keep the truth straight from the lies.

    Not to prejudge, but like you about have to put an asterisk on most 90′s baseball stats…the birthdate discrepancy problem with Latin players is reaching the point where if I were a GM or scount I’d just automatically figure on adding 2 years to any player I was evaluating.

  • jstraw

    “Do I actually think Soriano is two years older than he says he is, and his web of lies just came crumbling down because of one slip of the tongue? Nah.”

    I absolutely think that.

  • JulioZuleta

    Whoaa, couple of pretty big prospects getting 50-gamers for PEDs. Toronto first rounder Stroman, who could have debuted in Sept. Tampa 2010 first rounder Josh Sale, too. Fourth guy from that Single-A team this year (Bowling Green.

  • crazyhorse

    Gaffs – Everybody knows that Soriano english is his second language. Everybody makes a gaff – Hell ,good old Rommney introduce Ryan as the next President of the United States. Explain that – (JUst kidding ) If the CUbs want to launch an investigation into his age than they have that right .

  • Timmy

    He was definitely 32 — it explains everything. Oh well, at least he’s stayed basically the same build, which means no doping. Pujols is 1-3 years older than he claims too. Can’t blame a guy for wanting to get paid.

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