Aramis Ramirez is Surprised by the Cubs and Other Bullets

Starlin Castro’s extension is coming as soon as today. More on that in just a bit. Until then, Bullets …

  • Former Cubs third baseman Aramis Ramirez, who was all but told by the new front office last year that the Cubs did not want him back (recall, they offered him arbitration, but did not want him to accept), says he’s been surprised by Theo and Jed’s efforts to rebuild the Cubs. “I didn’t know they were going to strip it down this far,” Ramirez told Bruce Levine. “I didn’t realize they were going to get rid of every single guy. [Theo Epstein] was honest with my agent. [The Cubs] told him that they were going young. That is what happens when you rebuild but I did not know they were going to start from zero.” We’ll see what happens in 2013, but it is becoming increasingly fair to describe what the Cubs are doing as “start[ing] from zero.” I’m not saying that’s wrong, of course. Just accurate.
  • Dale Sveum says he isn’t too concerned with the stats for his young players, now or in September. “If you’re here for a short amount of time, you’re not worried about stats, you’re worried about what you see with bat speed, the intelligence, the willingness and the ability to make adjustments when things might be out of whack,” Sveum said, according to ESPNChicago. “Those are the things you’re judging and evaluating more than the stats.” I guess he was just talking about the hitters. That is his background, after all.
  • The Cubs have a middle-of-the-pack defense overall this year, which is a huge step up from the last-in-the-NL defense last year. Of course, defense, alone, won’t do much for the Cubs – they’re much worse overall than they were last year or the year before. Need some bats, need some arms …
  • For a few innings in the middle of yesterday’s game, Brett Jackson was the team leader in OPS. Seriously. He’s now slightly behind Bryan LaHair and Alfonso Soriano at .795. Anthony Rizzo’s steady march backwards continues, and he’s down to .785. None of this is a reason to be worried about Rizzo or un-worried about Jackson. These stretches happen.
  • Darwin Barney is on the verge of tying David Eckstein’s NL record for consecutive errorless games (in a single season) at second base. Eckstein did it 113 straight games in 2010. Barney is at 112.
  • Paul Sullivan does the mailbag thing, and actually spends a fair portion of it defending the Cubs.
  • Jeff Passan with 25 things you didn’t know about baseball this year. It’s awesome.

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145 responses to “Aramis Ramirez is Surprised by the Cubs and Other Bullets”

  1. notcubbiewubbie

    why do we care what aramis ramirez thinks of our ballclub??? you know its a down year when you ask former losers about the current state of our cubs.

  2. ncsujuri

    Brett, though it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Eckstein didn’t score in 113 straight games I am almost certain Darwain Barney has scored a few runs this year. Errorless games however I think your stat was “dead on balls accurate” to quote Ms. Tomei

  3. ssckelley

    Ramirez’s comment does not make any sense “strip it down this far”. At the beginning of the season who all did the Cubs get rid of that would have made any difference to the outcome of this season? Ramirez got off to his typical slow start with the Brewers, how many more games would the Cubs have won with him starting at 3rd over Steward? Would Pena have won the Cubs more games at first over LaHair? Before all these trades were made to get rid of veterans the Cubs had the worst record in baseball.

    Ramirez, do yourself and the Brewers a favor and try hitting the ball when the games actually matter. The past couple of years he has put up big numbers after the team were well out of the playoff race.

    1. crazyhorse

      Ramirez was good player .Ramirez was not a great player – but he is correct in his assessment . Plenty of Cub fans wonder the same thing? Why ? Rebuilding is fine But thats not really an answer. The team that Theo Epstien put on the field is a lousy team.

      Dont worry about former cubs , worry about Little…….

      1. ssckelley

        The Cubs started this season with a number of veterans on the team and they did not produce. Again, they had the worst record in baseball when all these veteran players were playing. I look at the 2011 lineup and I do not see a single player no longer on the team that would have made any difference to this years outcome outside of maybe Sean Marshall. The Cubs picked up Ramirez option and offered Pena arbitration, neither one of them accepted so the Cubs went with Stewart and LaHair.

        I want the Cubs to win as much as anybody but the team needed to make these moves in order to get better.

    2. gutshot5820

      Why are you hating on Ramirez? He was a very good Cub for a long time. He was just speaking the truth.

    3. hansman1982

      um, take out the first two weeks of April and his production from mid-april to the end of may was in line with his season performance…the dude can mash

  4. gutshot5820

    Paul Sullivan’s article was ridiculous. Anyone on this board could have answered the questions in the vanilla manner that he did. Why is he answering questions anyways, he doesn’t strike me as a guy who has any more knowledge about baseball than the average fan. Certainly Brett and Luke could have answered all those questions with more insight and perspective.

    1. Hee Seop Chode

      Paul reminds me of a Brother in Law who married your sister. Now you’re stuck with him, and every Thanksgiving he has to be a contrarian about absolutely everything.

      Don’t like the beer? Don’t drink it. Think Hugo Chavez is just trying to help his people? Keep it to yourself…

    2. Grant

      I also think it’s pretty absurd that he said Junior Lake might push Castro off SS to 3B. A year ago, I might have agreed there was a chance of it. Now, I don’t think so.

      1. Luke

        There wasn’t a chance of it even a year ago. Castro has Gold Glove potential at shortstop. Lake doesn’t.

  5. Curt

    rhino most cubs fans problem with a-ram was his stats were good but when did he get them not early in most yrs he’d get them in blow outs or after the cubs were buried in the standings and where was he during the playoffs no where to be found , and then he wouldn’t take a trade at the end, he’d rather ride it out on a bad team tht he wasn’t coming back to anyways, but generally speaking he was a good player just not when it mattered most of the time.

    1. AB

      yea I never saw Aramis hit any game-winning home runs…EVER

      1. Spriggs

        4 Aramis Ramirez walk-off homers:

        6/29/2007 vs Brewers

        6/20/2008 vs White Sox

        4/18/2009 vs cardinals

        7/3/2012 vs Marlins

        1. TWC

          The links don’t work, Spriggs, but oooh… that Brewers one. I still remember that. That’s the HR that drove us into the post season.

          1. Spriggs

            I think it was on a special edition cover of SI too.

          2. TWC

            … well, that and the Brewers completely and utterly collapsing down the stretch. That was great, too.

    2. Dave

      Aram was a very good clutch hitter. He had many big hits for the Cubs and for anyone to argue otherwise is just incorrect.

      1. TWC

        Baseball Reference shows “clutch” stats:

        In every category, Ramirez was at or above average.

        1. ssckelley

          Did you really look at those stats? Notice how well he hit in April, how well he hit in the 9th inning, with 2 outs and RISP, or all the double plays with less than 2 outs. The stats do not prove he was a clutch hitter.

          1. TWC

            You know, kid, I wouldn’t have linked them if I hadn’t read them.

            Yeah, he started slow. His peak months were clearly June through August. What’s your point? I linked B-R’s “clutch” stats, which clearly show in every category Ramirez was at or above average. His lowest OPS+ in any “clutch” category was the 93 he put of in tie game situations (in which he still had an OPS of .809). In “late & close” situations he had an OPS+ of 107 w/ an OPS of .870.

            I mean, it’s really easy to look at his splits and cherry-pick line items that fit your narrative: “ZOMG! He has a career line of .000 w/ an OPS+ of -100 in all bunting situations! Obviously he doesn’t hustle out of the box!”

            1. hansman1982

              Any discussion of slow starts has to include the caveat that a player can slump for a month at any point in any season but all that matters to some fans is April and September.

              For proof I submit to you the 2011 Red Sox. Got off to an atrocious start, had they played .500 ball in April they would have been in the playoffs but everyone only remembers the September Collapse.

              Regardless of his slow start, Ramirez was still a beast last year. Despite the fact he didn’t have any power to speak of to start last year the dude still put up a 127(ish) OPS+.

              By all means, continue to cherry pick and believe what you want to believe…

          2. Pat

            Ramirez for the most part was pretty consistent. Even last year, he was hitting at the beginning of the year. The wet took a while to show up, but his overall numbers were not bad. Just because Brenly says something does not make it true.

            1. Pat

              Power took a while to show up.

  6. Fastball

    Sorry for the Rant in Advance…..Ramirez was a very good player and a good Cub so people need to get off his back. From his perspective it is hard to see a team in the 3rd largest market in baseball be this bad. What is being done right now would not be accepted by a fan base. The Dodgers in my opinion are acting like a big market team with a big market budget and doing what they feel is necessary to put a winner on the field. The difference is the team of owners is a group of very rich guys who don’t care how much money they spend to put a winner on the field. Our owner can’t even pay for his own stadium remodel. Why buy a team when you can’t afford the cost of ownership. It’s like buying a house way outside your price range and then try to act you like you can afford it. I’m not convinced that management had to wreck the Major League product in order to do a rebuild. The farm system could have been rebuilt via the international and US player drafts and young player free agent signings. The lousing of the Major League team without putting any players back on the field has set this franchise back years. I hope they sign some players this off season. This team is so bad it’s pathetic. I can’t believe how bad the pitching is. A very bad decision on 3B was made before the season started. Put a guy there who wasn’t healthy and highly suspect. Tyler Colvin sure is showing everyone what he is all about. DJ kind of put it on the Cubs as well. We sent 2 players who were young and at the ML level out for a guy who had a bad wrist and absolutely sucked where he was in Colorado and sucked even worse when he got to Chicago. We got nothing for Soto, nothing for Dempster one of those guys is on the DL with arm problems. I love my Cubs but I am not a fan of Theo Epstein any longer. I’m not going to be a band wagon guy who was in love with Theo. I have never been sold on him but have supported him. I hope he does well and that his plan works because I’m a Cubs Fan. I won’t go so far to drink a gallon of Kool Aid and believe Theo is our savior. His track record is ever glaring and his brilliant moves thus far don’t look as brilliant as they should have.

    Did I leave anybody out? God I’m in a good mood. Everybody was late for work today. So I took it out on my keyboard. LOL… No More Starbucks for the rest of the day.

    1. crazyhorse

      IThank you for your rant and many people think you are correct.

    2. RY34

      Fastball is dead on imo! Great rant!

    3. hansman1982

      (epic slow clap)

      Congratulations…you managed to fit every single gripe, warranted or not, into one single post. For that you win……………………..

      (epic face palm)

    4. ssckelley

      Good points, I understand your frustrations as the struggles this year have me frustrated as well. But a couple of points to consider.

      First the stadium, IMO Wrigley Field means more to the City of Chicago than vice versa. I think the Cubs would make way more money building a brand new stadium. So I think the City should fund part of the remodeling, let’s face it Wrigley Field is an attraction that brings people to the city.

      Looking at Colvins production it would be great to have that in the lineup. But keep in mind the Cubs only play a handful of games in Coors Field and his production in Coors has been way better than on the road.

      It is to early to say the Cubs got nothing for Dempster and Soto. In my mind the Cubs got a lot for Soto, the biggest thing they got was a spot for Wellington Castillo so any players they got in return was a bonus. I think Castillo is doing a pretty good job. I have a wait and see approach to what they got for Dempster. I did not see Dempster resigning with the Cubs in the off season anyway.

    5. JR

      Fastball, I agree this is a frustrating year. And I am not sold on Theo and Jed yet, but I will say what they are doing needed done a long time ago. What’s the point of being marginally bad, or mediocre?? Blow this damn thing up and do it right. Sure the FO has made several mistakes.. But they are not putting band aids on, and THAT DOES NOT WORK.. This team was a disaster when they took over with a terrible farm system and over paid veterans. The MLB and AAA teams are terrible, but they are fixing the foundation, and will sign big name veterans when it makes sense. Which won’t be this offseason, I can tell you that right now for sure. It is what it is. Deal with it, or come back in 2015..

    6. Flashfire

      The farm system could have been rebuilt via the international and US player drafts and young player free agent signings.

      You can’t just say this. Give a way to do it with the current CBA in place while placing in the middle of the pack in wins. Because your ability to use both of these things to rebuild — more so than ever before in the history of the game — is directly tied to your record.

    7. bbmoney

      Fastball I completely disagree with a lot of your points. I’ll go through a few of them:

      1. The Dodgers were better than that Cubs before they made any of these moves. None of the moves they made would have turned the Cubs into contenders this year or quite frankly next year. They wouldn’t have made those moves if they weren’t in contention this year. And I don’t care how willing an owner is to spend, that 250M they just picked up could hurt them in a few years when they’re paying a 34 yr Old Gonzalez and 35 yr old Crawford 45M.

      2. Look at Colvin’s road/home splits. He wouldn’t be playing half his games in Coors if he were here. His .291 road OBP would play great in Wrigley. As far as LeMahieu goes….he’s gotten all of 130 Abs this year for another terrible team. Not missing much there.

      3. They have spent money in international FA to rebuild the farm system, and spent aggressively, but now it’s capped moving forward so that option isn’t open any longer.

      4. Soto had no value. You aren’t going to get MLB ready players back in any trade you make with a contending team for Dempster or anyone else.

      Finally, if you think we’d have a better record right now with Hendry that’s fine. But passing judgement on Theo after 3/4 of a season is pretty lame. Guys got two rings and churned out some great in the organization talent in Boston (Pedroia, Ellsbury, pulled Oritz off the scrap heap, Middlebrooks, Lester, etc.). Even if Boston is a mess now, I’ll take that in 10 years if I’ve got two rings.

      1. Frank

        bbmoney, I think you nailed it. While the Cubs were looking for prospects to build the system and the future, the Dodgers were looking to spend lots of money to win now. The Cubs, even had they not blown up the whole system, would not be in that position–the team was already getting too little production for too much money. And if the Dodgers don’t win now, this trade is going to look awfully stupid in retrospect.

        Colvin is mediocre at best away from Coors and that’s the production the Cubs would be getting from him. LeMahieu just isn’t that good–the Cubs have many better prospects in the system than LeMahieu. The Cubs had the option of building the system through international signings and the draft, but failed miserably, all while spending like a big market team with a big market budget. The fact is, they did not, and now, the new CBA severely limits a team’s ability to build this way, at least in comparison to the past. Many fans overestimate how much a player like a Soto or a Dempster may be worth in a trade–I think the FO did as well as can be expected given the circumstances. Will this rebuild fail? Maybe. But a rebuild takes a lot more time than 3/4 of one season. I’ve said this here before–many fans wanted the rebuild but had no idea what a rebuild would look like and now that they see it, they want to go back to what did not work before.

        1. Frank

          One clarification–the Cubs spent like a big market team with a big market budget in free agency, and on the team payroll. They did not do so on the draft or in player development.

          1. Scotti

            One clarification-the Cubs spent like a big market team in free agency all of ONE year. Think of going grocery shopping once per year. Your fridge will be stocked! And then the contents will start to rot. If you are not given the budget to replace that rotting produce on a regular basis (like ALL other major market teams) then you are stuck with the rotting. FWIW, Hendry did have a good budget in the draft once as well–he landed Samardzija.

            1. Frank

              Fair enough, and I’d contend that, as a team, you’re better off if the replacements come through the draft and player development rather than free agent signings–not to diminish the importance of those signings. I just think it’s more fiscally sound and better strategy to not have to rely on free agents every year.

              1. Scotti

                I’m with you on the draft and International signings. The point is that Hendry was too. He just didn’t get the consistent draft/signing budget that the other mega teams get.

                The Cubs had a solitary year where they were allowed to spend. While that caused the budget to remain high for a number of years it’s like being told that you can spend on a Rolls Royce one year and being given enough to cover payments but not anything to cover maintanence. Hendry had to sell parts off the Rolls just to be able to afford yearly changes.

      2. MikeL


        *Standing ovation*

        I am really getting sick and tired of hearing about Tyler Colvin and DJ. Colvin hardly hits out outside of Coors (wasn’t he hitless in the Rockies-Cubs series at Wrigley? Think about that for a second). DJ DOES NOT hit…..and just as a throw-in, Zambrano has been pitching so well, he was demoted to the bullpen in Miami. Stop making it sound like the cubs get their butts kicked in these trades, they didn’t. Secondly, stop acting like the Cubs were trying to win the world series this year, they weren’t. The cubs were trying to find place holders until better options were available and the team had far too many holes BEFORE Hendry was fired to be competitive this year. They are trying to build this team so that it is competitive for the long haul, not just for a year or two like we would always get under Jim Hendry.

        1. Scotti

          Let’s be real here. Colvin has a better road OPS than David DeJesus. Most hitters have better home OPS than road OPS (coming into this season Castro was a hundred points better at home). Colvin was a valuable commodity that had a very good rookie season that was cut short by a punctured lung. He struggled last year and he’s doing really well this year–better than DeJesus. Now, DeJesus and Colvin are different players. One is high OBP and one is high SLG. But you paid one guy $10 million to replace the other who is under control for years. Not a good swap.

          1. hansman1982

            Um, Colvin (at least this year) has a 1.020 OPS at home and a .750 OPS on the road. Clearly Coors Field agrees with him.

            As bad as the Rockies are he is still only a 4th OF on their team.

            1. Scotti

              Who said Colvin doesn’t like Coors? Of course he likes Coors. Everyone likes Coors (though not to the extent they used to). The POINT is that his road OPS is better than DeJesus. There is nothing wrong with a .750 road OPS (again, MOST MLB players have a higher road OPS). That road OPS plus a normal split would put him at a .800 OPS season. Anyone saying that A) he’s merely a Coors creation or B) he’s just having a hot streak are obviously misinformed or trying to misinform. He’s been good for a year now home and away.

              As to your 4th OF notion, he is a full time starter for them. He’ll have 90+ AB this month and next. Each month he has received more playing time than the month before. He’s played all three OF positions and 1B. That is a valuable guy and he is under control for years. Just not Cub control anymore. Theo sold low on a guy recovering from a punctured lung.

      3. Josh

        Word. Colvin’s numbers are inflated by Coors Field.

        Cubs need to just stay the course. Next year is going to be even worse as no impact prospects are expected to really make the leap. Hopefully our young guys make adjustments and work hard to improve in the offseason. Rizzo really improved last offseason so let’s hope he along with Jackson, Vitters, Castro, Castillo, and Barney do the same. I hope we add an arm or 2 via free agency. Were going to have a top 3 pick in the 2013 draft and more than likley the 2014 one as well. We just need to stay the course. Once Baez, Soler,and Almora are all MLB ready we will be able to spend in the offseason and hopefully near the playoffs.

        I mean if we had Ramirez still we would obviously be a significantly better offense as 3B has been a gaping hole all year, however we still wouldn’t be playoff caliber and the increased wins would equate in a lower pick. Hopefully this offseason we can add a couple SP’s and some bullpen arms.

    8. Stinky Pete

      I guess I never really considered myself “On a bandwagon” or thought of the new management as a “savior”. Tom and Theo and Jed and Jason etc. are here and are going to do what they are going to do. And my opinion really doesn’t count for two squats. Nor does anyone else’s. Sure we’ve all got a right to voice our opinion and by all means voice away. I just think speculating on how good they are doing their job is like me looking at the Mars Rover and saying NASA built it wrong. I don’t have the first damn clue what goes on there, I just like to sit back and watch. Whatever happens is going to happen with or without me.

      (Stepping off Soapbox.)

      Carry on.

      1. Frank

        Great point–fans may speak as if they do, but none of us has the information, experience, or the knowledge of the process that a big league GM has when he makes decisions.

      2. BeyondFukudome

        Important announcement: It having been conclusively established that nobody here knows what the f___ they are talking about, this blog is hereby closed.

        1. TWC

          I’m outta here.

        2. Stinky Pete

          Fair enough. I think there is a not so fine line between “I don’t think that will work.” and “Tom’s got his head so far up Theo’s ass…”

    9. Chris

      Where to begin… Having a team win 75 games is not what I want to see, long-term. Signing free agents would not have built a playoff contender going into this season. The Dodgers had Matt Kemp, Clayton Kershaw, Andre Eithier, and a host of other players to start with. Plus a better farm system. Just because they are a big market team doesn’t mean the Cubs could have done the same thing. Spending money resigning Ramirez, or bringing in Prince Fielder would not have made the difference. Listen, clearly the Colvin deal didn’t work out. And I didn’t like it when they made that move, but I get the rationale. The jury is still out on Vitters, Stewart was a former highly touted prospect they thought they were buying low on. Having not been here last season, Theo didn’t see how poorly Colvin was used. His numbers are a reflection of the consistent playing time he never received. But as a new GM coming in, seeing the bad stats, and knowing that you need power from your corners, I get the move. This team needed to be revamped. They aren’t just trying to squeeze into a wild card spot, only to get swept out of the playoffs. They are trying to build a consistent winner. You need young players to blossom into roles in order for that to happen. Then, at the right time, you sprinkle in veterans to plug holes. It was a painful season, but any season that they aren’t in the playoffs is painful. Bringing in veterans on the decline with no hope for consistency is not the answer, it’s the problem. After the 2010 season, Hendry should have done what Theo is doing now. Instead, he tried to plug in veteran pieces, and traded away a couple of decent prospects to get Garza, all for an under .500 team. Anybody reading the posts on this site probably is of the same mind. The Cubs NEED to win a World Series. But keeping a mediocre team on the field just for a few extra wins is not a smart plan.

    10. Jim L.

      I will say it was a nice rant, could have used a few paragraph breaks but the content was severely off the mark, as pointed out by quite a few people already. But it’s always fun to read a good rant, especially late in the afternoon as we are trying our best to shake off the late afternoon doldrums.

  7. Drew7

    ” but generally speaking he was a good player just not when it mattered most of the time.”

    I think this falls into the category of the *failed eye test*. Ramirez was a very, very good player for the Cubs. His slow-starting reputation, while it does have some truth, is very overblown.

    The fact is, even though Santo was a far superior defender, Ramirez’s offense was just as productive during his time here.

  8. art

    Aram was good for a long time, then he got lazy the last 2-3 years. i do believe in the end he was a bad example for the kids. i don’t hate him, he could of stayed, he choice to leave. Ricketts wanted the rebuilding, he said it from day one. Henry didn’t listen. as for the so called Aram haters, everyone has a right to their opinion. why is it ok for the accusers to hate Soto, Soriano, Hill, etc but, anti Aram guys should stop “hating him”? i use the word hate cause that’s what most here call you if you’re anti this player or that player. JMO.

    1. mudge

      well Art, if everyone has a right to their opinion, why object to people who appreciate Aramis expressing theirs?

    2. Scotti

      The notion that Ricketts wanted to do X and that Hendry “didn’t listen” for two years is silly. I’m being kind.

  9. Drew7

    “why is it ok for the accusers to hate Soto, Soriano, Hill, etc…”

    I don’t think that’s the case (although the inclusion of Hill in there is an easy one to answer: he’s terrible). In general, most hated all of the above for some silly reason (lazy, they “sucked” when they actually didn’t/don’t, etc).

  10. Ari Gold

    In response to starting from zero, everyone is thinking that we can start competing for a playoff spot by 2015. I think that’s quite optimistic as I think 2016 is more likely. Lets say Baez and Soler reach their potential as impact major leaguers. They still won’t be up until 2015 as rookies. With very litte impact pitching prospects close to the majors I think were looking at least until 2016. Of course trades and free agent signings could happen, but this is going take a while. I’m completely on board with that. Much better than a couple years of getting swept in the playoffs and then having to rebuild again. At least were doing it the right way now.

    1. Flashfire

      The plan was clearly to have guys like Delgado and Turner in the organization to build 2015 around. Garza may still be traded for someone like that, but not nearly as much as we would have had this off-season. It was a mistake, and Theo has come dangerously close to admitting it as such.

      But, 2015 is not lost yet. Paniagua and Johnson are both advanced prospects. One or both could debut by then. Shark is still there. Felix Hernandez will be a free agent the off-season before. Even at 29, the Cubs should seriously consider opening the pocketbook there. (Again, necessitated by the Garza/Dempster fail.) Then there’s this year’s draft. We get Appel or another top college pitcher. Those guys could also be ready to go by mid 2015. Advanced college players move fast — ask Mark Prior and Justin Verlander. Vizcaino is probably closing (building his way back to the rotation, a la Dempster), so the Cubs play 8-inning games.

      While it’s no sure thing, the Cubs could have a pitching staff to compete with in 2015.

    2. ssckelley

      Good post, and I still think the Cubs will spend money in the free agent once they get the farm system to produce. But instead of trying to build an entire team through the free agent market you fill the team with your farm system and use free agency to fill in the holes.

      I get some of you hesitance to buy into what Theo & Hoyer are doing, we have been pitched this before. But this is the first time since Dallas Green where I have seen the Cubs actually try to build a winner from the ground up, and follow through with it. The new ownership seems committed to the Cubs winning and not just filling the stadium to make money. None of us know if any of these moves will pay off but at least the moves they are making show they are committed to building the farm system.

    3. cubs1967

      “the right way”………explain that…….you mean the yankees winning 27 WS is not the right way. just cuz you build from within is not the :right” way. winning the WS is the right way. if the dodgers win this year; will that be the wrong way? does anyont think soler-vogelbach-baez-almora will all succeed……….what happens if 2 of them fail……….we wait longer or spend money?…………there is NO right way. fans just are blindly deluted into thinking waiting till the 7th year of ricketts ownership in 2016 is the right way. it’s not.

      1. Flashfire

        Yes, those great Yankee teams signed DiMaggio and Mantle as free agents. This current incarnation of the Bronx Bombers got their most important player (Derek Jeter) from the FA market. This is the first time in God-knows-how-long we’re actually acting like the Yankees. That’s why it’s called the right way.

        Oh, and the odds are spectacular that 2+ of Soler-Baez-Almora-Vogelbach fail. That’s why we have Villaneuva-Torreyes-Watkins-Ha-Jackson-Candelario-Amaya-Martin-Dunston-Hernandez-Jeff Baez coming up, too, so some of them will succeed. Again — the right way.

      2. MikeL

        “the right way”………explain that…….you mean the yankees winning 27 WS is not the right way. just cuz you build from within is not the :right” way. ”

        You know what is funny about that comment? The Yankees greatest teams were built from within. Look at the 1998 Yankes-what many consider to be one of the top 10 greatest teams of all time–that heart of that team was built through guys that they drafted and developed (look it up if you don’t believe me). They are the ones that carried the Yankees to several more championships over the next several years. It was a combination of drafting and developing your own players, and signing free agents to fill other holes, but they didn’t depend on free agency alone. When the Yankees DID depend on free agency (the 1980s) they were terrible.

        1. Flashfire

          And you know how they fixed that 1980s mistake? By rebuilding, during which time they were terrible, and they drafted a guy named Jeter 6th in 1992. (They also had one of the worst luck stories of the draft: Brien Taylor #1 in 1991. Imagine those Yankee teams if he’d worked out like he could have.)

          1. MIkeL


          2. ssckelley

            The Yankees are notorious for overspending on free agents or trading for those with high salaries. But they have done it with a pretty good farm system. They have used that talent both on the field and to trade it for pieces they needed. When the Cubs farm system can start producing players like Robinson Cano or Ivan Nova then they can go out and sign big names like ARod or CC Sabathia.

            1. Flashfire

              It’s also worth noting that the Yankees were most successful from 1997 to 2001, where they had 4 WS wins, and 1 loss — 2001 — where they were absolutely the better team and things just went against them.

              Those teams were largely made off of their own talent. Since then, they’ve gone FA happy and while they usually compete, they’ve won one World Series. And that’s with Jeter, Cano, Rivera, and chunks of the pitching staff developed internally.

              The Yankees are a major argument for Theo’s method.

  11. Fastball

    Ari… I agree with you. We are a very long way from competing. Unless they can find some pitching we have no chance. All the outfield prospects in the world aren’t going to help if we don’t have a quality pitching staff. At this time ours is the worst.

  12. cubmig

    If the Cubs played decent ball this season, the criticisms would slide off with time. That they aren’t (and won’t) the rest of the way will only feed into lingering fan anxiety. Theo&Co has put us there. That’s not an indictment, it’s a fact that is because of the house-cleaning mission they apparently assessed as necessary. As a fan, I would have preferred spreading out the “pain”, but they are Captains of this voyage, and have decided to take a surgical approach and make fast, deep, clean cuts. All this to say: we need to wait and see if we heal the right way as a result of what they have decided to do. The “Wait Till Next Year” is going to be viewed a lot differently than ever before.

    1. crazyhorse

      That is a nice way of saying that the Cubs are bad and not expected to be good for a long time . And yes we can blame Hendry and all the old cubs to distract fans from this years team but after awhile that will become old and silly.

  13. Jed

    Fun fact: Cubs lost the All-Star bid to host the 2014 All-Star game to the MinnesotaTwins. I mean c’mon now! Really?!

  14. crazyhorse

    Since some people want to say how bad of player Ramirez was with the Cubs can anybody show or explain why Stewart is the answer to third base? and please explain why Stewart was not a total failure at third. – really if all these Ramirez haters hate Arams production – i gotta hear the logic behind Stewart . and i am not even talking about the trade to get Stewart- that was just plain dumb -

    1. Crockett

      Ok, you have to accept a few things first.

      Ian Stewart was a really, really good prospect coming up and then got hurt, and his offensive side went in the toilet. At the end of 2010, he injured his wrist significantly. The injury lingered. And while he hadn’t exactly dominated at the major league level until that point, he was a great “buy low” candidate.

      This year, finally, they figured out what the issue in his wrist was and while he may or may not return to the Cubs, the reasoning behind acquiring him was plenty sound. If healthy, for the first time in years, Stewart could easily have been at LEAST a league-average 3B with the possibility for a bit more.

      1. crazyhorse

        Those are great excuses and or reasons and it is sad that Ian Stewart could not play well into his potential. Yet many BN handles that rip ramirez are the same handles that defend Stewart.

        1. TWC

          Please show me ONE person who has defended Stewart’s production this year. Just one. Any defense of Stewart has always been directly related to Crockett’s “good gamble” explanation.

      2. Scotti

        Wrist injury guys are NOT great buy low guys. The wrist injury was known. That was a dumb move (and I LIKE Theo).

        1. Crockett

          No, Stewart felt great in spring training and the first few weeks of the season. Plus, Cub doctors cleared the medicals.

          The wrist is a funny joint, since it is a joint made up of multiple bones. Some of them heal 100% the first time, some of them never heal.

          And either way, it isn’t like the Cubs gave up anything great to get Stewart.

    2. ssckelley

      As mentioned before the Cubs were looking to buy low on a former top prospect, so far the Rockies got the better end of that deal. But at least the Cubs did not pay $15 million for Ian Stewart as that is how much Ramirez would have cost for what is obviously a rebuilding year.

      1. Scotti

        The Cubs shelled out ten million over two for DeJesus when they had Colvin for whatever they felt like giving him. The Cubs knew he had wrist problems and they still made the deal. Bad move.

        1. Flashfire

          I don’t begrudge the trade because Colvin clearly isn’t part of Theo’s vision for the future here. And DDJ is a veteran, a calming presence in a young clubhouse, and a guy who works counts well — all things Theo wanted impressed on his rookies.

          I do, however, wish they’d gotten more for Colvin. If they’d pulled off the trade they really wanted — Chase Headley — we wouldn’t even be debating this right now.

        2. MikeL

          And I would take Dejesus for 10 mill or two years over Colvin again, and again, and again…..since you know/….Dejesus can actually hit OUTSIDE of Coors field, which Colvin proved he could not do when he was at Wrigley these last few days.

          1. Deer

            um..DeJesus is at .259/.343/.388 on the road, while Colvin is at .261/.291/.459. Why can’t we just be happy Colvin has revived his career and found a good spot with the Rockies? This move doesn’t tarnish Theo’s rep, just relax.

            1. MikeL

              Because he hasn’t revived his career!!!! Take him out of Coors field as he struggles to OPS above .750!!!! Take Dejesus out of Wrigely as hits only slightly worse, Colvin’s OPS is nearly 300 points worse! Colvin is a fourth outfielder at best. I don’t understand why people seem to think the Cubs would be that much better with Colvin. Was he as bad as the numbers he put last last year? No. But he is certainly not as good as a lot of you might think. Dejesus also has far more atbats than Colvin, and Tyler has mainly been used by the Rockies as he should be: a fourth outfielder.

              1. Deer

                So many silly statements in that rant, I’m not going to even bother.

                1. MikeL

                  Not really, but if you want to thrown in the towel, that is fine with me.

                  1. hansman1982

                    it sounds like you guys are arguing what shade of blue the sky is…

                    1. MikeL

                      My argument is that Colvin is not going to be an everyday corner outfielder for the Rockies for years to come. Might he be a productive player off of the bench for what might be a fairly long career? Yes! But he is a very flawed player. I am saying that he would not have made a difference in the Cubs won-loss record this year (maybe a game or two) and he is no impact player. That is my only argument.

                    2. BeyondFukudome

                      It’s sky blue. End of discussion.

                2. ssckelley

                  The statement was dead on. Would anybody be clammoring for Colvin right now if he was hitting .261 with an OBP of .291? Because that is exactly what he is hitting outside of Coors field. At home he is putting up all star numbers as a number of hitters do.

                  1. Deer

                    Ok, I’ll play. You and the other guy are cherry picking stats and making up arguments. Why do you use his road OBP and not road OPS. Yes, his numbers are inflated at Coors, but his road OPS of .750 is respectable. If he had another home park and hit better at home like most hitters do, it’s reasonable to see a guy with an overall OPS between .775-800. That is pretty good for a young, cheap OF that can play all the outfield positions and has legitimate power.

                    I do think he’s turned around his career and has been one of the few bright spots for the Rockies. I didn’t like the trade from the beginning and would take him over DeJesus. No one needs to be unhappy about his success this year.

                    1. ssckelley

                      Cherry picking stats? You seriously think a .750 OPS is “decent” for a corner outfielder?

                    2. Drew7

                      He actually said a .750 OPS was “respectable”, and he’s right- especially if that’s just on the road. League-average OPS for the corner spots is around .760

                      It isn’t the year 2000 anymore; those spots, along with the rest of them, have seen a big decline in production.

                  2. JR

                    Who the hell cares about Colvin? Would that dude help the Cubs win a World Series in a few years? Hell no.. He’s having a decent yr. But he’s never going to be a guy I would want as my everyday outfielder. The trade was 2 marginal players for 1 marginal player. It didn’t work out.. Move on.. I am sick of hearing about Colvin.

                    1. MikeL


                      I am sick of Colvin as well, because you are right, he would not be a starter on a playoff contender. However, this is an old school baseball argument, no one is calling anyone names so this is just fine with me.

                      Deer –

                      I am not making up arguments, but you just did. You presented a totally hypothecial scenario of “if this…and if that….if he played in another ballpark and it he played here”…No. I am telling you, based on factual evidence, that when a player’s OPS is that much higher at home than on the road, it sends up red flags. Colvin’s OPS is nearly 300 points at home than it is on the road. That is a direct result of Coors field. Now, I will say that he has been on a bit of a hot sreak lately, for most of the season his road OPS was below .700.

                      Vinny Castillo is a great comparison here. Look at Vinny’s home and road splits in Colorado….great hitter, right? Especially at home! Not so good on the road…..Now look at his home and road splits when played with other teams. Not only did his home splits get worse (as expected) but so did his road splits. He just was not the same hitter outside of Colorado even he was playing in his team’s home park.

                      If he continues to mantain or even increase his OPS over the next month, I will be impressed. However, I would like to see how he does in 2013, but the numbers clearly suggest he is a fourth outfielder, and if you notice…he has hasn’t started that many games for Colorado this year….at least not many more than a fourth outfielder.

        3. ssckelley

          Hind sight is always 20/20 but I seen no one complaining about this move back when Colvin was just coming off his .150 season. Now all the sudden people see him hitting in Coors field and now you point out these flaws. At the time it looked like a low risk move and the Cubs needed a third baseman.

          1. hardtop


  15. Rich

    yes Ian Stewart’s wrist…
    when in doubt, cut it out…

  16. crazyhorse

    Buying low is great when succeessful I like that in King Theo . he has a knack for that, but as President of Cubs his first task is to have a third baseman . He let Stew play and did he play hurt just to prove a point? President of Player of player development and President of CUbs Operation should be two different people ( i know in name the cubs have someone) Little theo as the man in charge was too soon.

    People the only reason Theo took so many people from Boston because it really the only placed he worked and he hired Jed from SD- they used to be partners . I really wished that Cubs did not hire Theo as Cubs President – he should have been our number two man . Ricketts hired a man with no experience in running a ball club and it show . the standing are not the only thing that matters. The Cubs are acting like thay do not know the buisness every month this front office has Drama.

  17. ramy16

    I feel Stewart got a bum wrap… A wrist injury is almost as bad as torn acl…you use your wrist to swing the bat! I hope Theo gives him a second chance to see if he can get back to his 2007/2008 years.25 hrs and 80/90 driven in would help our young core!

    1. loyal100more

      im 100% for giving stew a good look at 3rd on healthy terms…not much to loose… id hate to see him picked up off waivers by someone and just go on a tear.a wrist injury IS a big deal…hard to get good cuts at piches with an extremely sore wrist. im all for seeing what he can do…and at 25, i think it would be irresponsible for the club not to!

  18. ramy16

    I also believe that Javier Baez could be premoted again and take sole command at 3rd base..left side could be one of the best in the majors! I think Lake could play 2nd base with Rizzo at First Almora in right Jackson in center Soler in left bomb diggity! !!!

    1. bbmoney

      That would be terrific. But there is a really, really good chance that a couple of those prospects you listed don’t turn out. Just the nature of the game.

      But that’s expected, plus it’s not like we’re not going to be going after FA’s in the future, just mostly likely not yet. If even just a couple of those guys turn out, we’ll be in good shape to field an offensive lineup with a good mix of home grown/young/cheaper (for now) guys along with a couple of FA signings.

  19. crazyhorse

    Erik Bedard is available – the Pirates release him yesterday. Is this a person that you want the Cubs to sign if the price was right? I guess i would like to hear from Little Theo monsters prior to big Theo making a judgement either way.

    1. fortyonenorth

      This caught my eye, too. He’s pitched twice against the Cubs recently – I was impressed by his first appearance – really dominated, if I remember correctly. Didn’t see him in his most recent appearance, but I don’t think he fared as well.

  20. crazyhorse

    I think Erik is okay for a pitcher being released. I see no harm if the price is a bargain and it dont create a big hassle putting him on the roster. On this site that is all we hear about, buy low sell high. If he pitches well, good for us, he pitches poorly than he is one less pitcher the Cubs need to worry about in the off season . .

  21. Bill

    Stewart was a terrible sign by Theo. Cub fans should know how players come back from wrist injuries since that was exactly what happened to D. Lee. Stewart had one decent season. He hit some HR’s but that was in Col. Add the bad wrist and the fact he ALWAYS hit for a low avg and you had the guy Theo should have stayed away from. I would have rather have given Lemiehue a shot since the team was going to suck anyway.

    I’m not sold on Theo, he has never built up a team from the ground up. If that was the plan by Ricketts than I wish he would have hired a different GM, someone like Dombroski, who has built a team from the ground up (he did it twice).

    All Theo did was give himself a built in excuse for putting a garbage product on the field for the next several seasons. He’s operating like a small market GM which is ridiculous in a market the size of Chi. He should have attacked the problem with a dual approach. Build up the farm system but also add quality FA’s where it make sense. So, try to put a competitive team on the field now, along with improving the farm system. I thought Theo said something like each season was precious, but he’s throwing them away about as casually as he was taking a Sunday walk.

    The dumbest thing I keep reading is “Theo is doing it the right way”. What’s the right way? The Yankees have won by spending tons of money. Sorry, the Yankees didn’t win because of Jeter, they won like everyone else wins in post season and that’s pitching. Guys like David Wells were FA’s. The homegrown pitching talent they had was Pettite and Rivera, until recently, all the other pitchers (especially starters) came via trade or FA. The Yanks win because they spend more than anybody else, not because they are doing it “the Theo way”. No team is built with all internal players, nor all FA’s. Heck, the Cubs have Castro, Rizzo, Barney, Shark, Garza, Wood, Marmol, who were obtained via trade or the farm. So, if they spent $80M in FA’s would they still be operating under “the Theo way” or the “right way”?

    1. MikeL

      By the way….you are arguing the point that many are trying to make here.

      Noone is advocating building a team totally of home grown talent….in fact, that is virtually impossible. What we are saying is that you have to have some talent coming from your farm systems. Any holes that you have left, then you go out and sign the big name free agents to compliment the home grown talent.

      Looking at the 2013 season, there will be far too many holes to fill via free agency, and hardly anyone graduating from the farm system that can make an impact. For those of you angry and are thinking that if the cubs went out and spent 150 million this offseason would make the cubs playoff contenders, that was never going to happen. The free agent market is waaaaay to thin this year. What will end up happening is that we will end up with a team like the 2012 marlins.

  22. MikeL

    How much money do the Rays spend each year on free agents?

    End of discussion.

    You are wrong about the Yankees not developing home grown talent, by the way. Mariano Rivera and Bernie Williams were two other guys, and there were other role players on those great teams as well that were drafted and developed by the Yankees.

    1. ssckelley

      That Cano guy is decent.

      1. MikeL

        And what if he said he didn’t want to play for the Cubs?

        1. ssckelley

          I would not blame him.

        2. TWC

          He’d be a total jagload. Why?

          1. MikeL

            I was just mentioning that because it is a possiblity and that no matter how much money you have it doesn’t promise that you will be able to snatch up all the top free agents on the market. It sounds pretty obvious, but I think we sometimes forget that fact.

            1. ssckelley

              But Cano came up through the Yankees farm system. I was supporting your post.

              1. MikeL

                My apologies, I was already being very argumentative so it sort of spilled over to your post, lol!

    2. Flashfire

      Posada, Pettite, and Orlando Hernandez on top of the other biggies.

      1. Bill

        Nobody has claimed the Yankees didn’t have some home grown talent, but much of their elite talent came via trade or FA. People are listing players over a 20+ span for the Yankees. Hernandez is more like a FA since he was an international player and the Yankees offered more money than anyone else. With the exception of Pettite, Rivera (and maybe Hernandez) how many of the Yankee pitchers came from within their system? Key guys like David Wells, and Clemens came via FA or trade. FA’s like A Rod, Giambi, Tex, didn’t just make minor contributions for the Yanks. These guys were ranked as the best (or near best) in the game.

        1. MIkeL

          Look at the Yankees from 1998-2003. That was one of their most dominant starches in their history and it happened by combining good, home grown with smart free agent signings. Now, in recent years you are right, they went big on free agency but haven’t been nearly as dominant as they in 1998-2003 stretch.

          Rays and Rangers are the same way. Home grown talent, smart cost effective free agent signings. Now the rangers spent big on Darvish….but they haven’t gone wild in free agency and they are coming off two straight world series appearances and on the verge of winning another division title.

          1. Flashfire

            The Rangers actually have two big free agent signings: Beltre and Darvish. But, you’re right, those guys complement the solid core they grew at home. Adding Beltre and Darvish to the Cubs is maybe a 75-win team.

  23. Norm

    Tyler Colvin – .350 BABIP in 2012. .285 in his career.
    That should tell you all you need to know about this years numbers.

  24. crazyhorse

    Monsters – How many season do we give Stewart to prove that Theo made a good move?

    Cause . I am getting tired of reading about the Stewart and Colvin trade unless the Cubs want to give Stewart a chance at third base next year, everybody knows this was a trade that ended badly for the Cubs

    1. Njriv

      I don’t get what the argument is about. The Cubs basically had a whole to fill and felt that Vitters wasn’t the answer to start the season and the only player they felt that they would trade for at the price that seemed the most reasonable was for Stewart. They didn’t feel that Colvin had a future with the team and they took a gamble by sending DJ. So the trade didn’t work out this year so what? You win some and you lose some. Now the trade did not work out for the Cubs this year because of Stewart’s injury, but who knows, now that they feel like they found the real problem with Stewart’s wrist and they don’t see that there is a better option at 3B for next year either internal or external I wouldn’t mind seeing what a healthy Stewart can do. If he does play and he’s still bad, then move on, and see what you can do to fulfill the position the best you can. Only look forward, you win some and you lose some.

    2. MikeL

      I say you have to give Stewart a chance to come from the wrist injury, and if Colvin performs at the same level for all of 2013….As a starter and not as a fourth outfielder……, and if Ian still can’t hit, then I would consider this trade a loss for the Cubs.

    3. Chris

      Yep, people have to just let this one go. While I didn’t like the trade at the time, this isn’t a trade that I think should be criticized as much as it has been. The Cubs needed a new 3rd baseman, preferably with power. They are trying to change the swing and miss culture, so Colvin was expendable. LeMahieu is a marginal prospect, and there are several infield prospects in the system, so he was expendable too. Stewart’s wrist ended up being hurt still, and he didn’t hit. They can’t win every trade, and dealing a guy you don’t pin your future on because of his high K rate for a shot a player that had past success is a minor risk. It didn’t work. Oh well. They didn’t trade away Lou Brock or Rafael Palmeiro… I don’t think… They also stole a starting 1B from the Padres for a hard throwing bullpen guy that will throw a ton of simulated games and perform several towel drills in his career.

      1. cubs1967

        if JH made this trade; would it be “just let it go”………….really; the apogoletic people for theo are so full of BS; if theo does a stupid trade like marhsall or colvin; it’s OK; if it was JH; off with his head. last I checked JH won 3 division titles; theo zero and in fact, will be the proud president of one of the worst cubs records in history; as bad as the cubs have been; very few cubs teams lost 100………..and this team is headed there.
        perhaps if theo was not quadrupling the front office, paid 3M plus per year,and nicknamed the ‘boy wonder”; these little trades could be “let go”. how do we know there won’t be more of these?………….

        1. Flashfire

          Because the others have worked out very well.

          Cashner for Rizzo. Win, Cubs.
          Maholm for Vizcaino. Win, Cubs.
          Marshall for Wood. Draw. +Torreyes, potentially huge win, Cubs.
          Dempster for Delgado. Win, Cubs, even though Dempster torched it.

          So, given those, yes, we can let one bad trade go.

          1. Bill

            Too early to tell. If Cashner stays healthy and becomes a quality starting pitcher then it becomes a draw or win for the Padres.

            Vizcaino is likely headed to the bullpen. There are MAJOR durability concerns with him. If he can rebound from TJ, he’ll probably end up being a closer. So, we traded a potential closer for a number 4 starter. I’d call that a draw.

            Marshall for Wood. It’s only a draw if Wood gets a better. If he pitches like he has been then it’s a big lose. Torreyes will most likely never see a major league roster. Little guy who’s struggling in A ball. Several 2B prospects better than him.

            Dempster for Delgado. Agree, big win. Would have preferred Delgado over Vizcaino. The problem is this got smacked down by Dempster. Was it poor communication by Theo? I actually blame this one on Demp.

            I would call Theo’s performance in these trades as underwhelming, especially when that is one of the things people told us Theo did better than anyone (ie make good trades).

            1. Flashfire

              “Struggling in A ball.” Are you kidding me? He’s 19 — younger than most of his competition — and after an awful first two months is putting up incredible numbers. As Brett has pointed out, his numbers are comparable to elite hitting prospects. (More walks and XBH than strikeouts.)

              Cashner and Vizcaino are essentially the same pitcher. Electric stuff, durability concerns, etc, and yet you sell Cashner’s upside and Vizcaino’s downside to bash Theo. And Maholm had one year left on his contract. Essentially, Theo traded one year of Maholm for Rizzo. That’s an incredible win.

              1. Bill

                So, we are supposed to ignore the first two months like they don’t count? Baseball doesn’t work that way. It’s still A ball, he’s a long way from being on a major league field. He’s also limited to 2B because of his size. Sorry, I’m not a believer that Torreyes will ever amount to more than a utility infielder.

                Cashner has a higher ceiling than Vizcaino. The Braves were convinced Vizcaino would never be more than a reliever. That wasn’t the case with the Cubs and Cashner. They believed he could be a top of the rotation starter but since he was coming off arm problems they figured he would only be able to work out of the bullpen this year as he recovered. Trading top prospects for each other is a wash, it’s not some brilliant move by Theo.

                Vizcaino is a longshot to ever be a starter, and even if he is it will be 2-3 years before he is one in Wrigley. He’s going to have to build up his arm strength and innings in order to be a starter. More likely he’s a closer. I like Vizcaino and like the trade, but you can’t call it a win for the Cubs unless he becomes a starter. Guys like Rizzo are still unknown commodities. Rizzo has looked good but his numbers have come back to earth because pitchers have made adjustments. Will he be able to make adjustments? I think so but let’s wait and see. Maholm was good last year and this year, so he’s a much more known commodity.

                Just because Theo makes a trade doesn’t mean we have to kneejerk, “we won the trade” because Theo makes plenty of mistakes. Look at the mess he left in Bos if you need some examples.

                1. Flashfire

                  Yeah, we do ignore the first two months because he was adjusting to a new league. It happens. it happens to the best players. He’s a better player than Altuve was at the same age — and Altuve turned out okay.

                  On Cashner, there you’re just flat out wrong. The Cubs considered him a reliever. That’s why he was traded. The Padres thought he could start. As he started a couple times and promptly got hurt (again), they may be rethinking that.

                  Seriously, you seem to be going out of your way to bash the trades because you don’t like Theo.

        2. Bill

          Agreed. People bend over backwards to apologize for Theo. Hendry needed to go but it’s fair to question Theo’s decisions. Stewart was just a dumb trade. You traded two guys who could have started for you and who were under cost control. Theo knew the team would be terrible, so why not give Colvin and Lemehiue a shot to see if they could play every day. Why are people so in love with Stewart? His numbers a awful, outside of his rookie year. Low avg, with some power (which was in Coors Field), and a LOT of K’s. Stewart made zero sense. Then you add in the wrist injury, which is a huge injury for a guy who’s lone offensive plus is some power in his bat.

          No, this trade wasn’t Brock bad but it was a puzzling one considering Theo had no intention of winning this year or next.

          The Marshall trade was also a dud. Wood looks like a 5 starter at best and the other 2 guys look like they’ll never see the bigs. Torreyes is struggling in A and given his size he can only play 2nd base, where we seem to have several better prospects. Why not keep Marshall and either offer him an extension, or trade him at the deadline? He’s the best lefthanded reliever in baseball and they traded him for a borderline major league starting pitcher (ie Wood). It’s not like the Cubs couldn’t afford to offer Marshall an extension. They have plenty of money available. They could have tried Marshall as a closer or in the rotation if they wanted to increase his trade value.

          The Theo plan is to be competitive by 2017, until then fans should sit back and smile when the team loses 100 games.

          1. King Jeff

            Or we can sit back and let your wall-of-text negativity overwhelm us all.

            1. TWC

              MOAR popcorn.

              1. crazyhorse

                Why do I all of suddenly have a taste for jelly fish popcorn and i want to see Sponge Bob nah lets watch the cubs

              2. crazyhorse

                Or do i Lust for popcorn – and afraid of rioting Koreans

            2. Bill

              Or we can dream of rainbows and unicorns and imagine the Cubs were playing in the World Series.

              1. crazyhorse

                I thought i was the only person that saw Rainbows and Unicorns. I know everyone can see a rainbow but certain little monsters not zealots can see both.

      2. ssckelley

        You are right, people do need to let this go. Think back to the free agent market last year the biggest name out there in the free agent market was Ramirez. There were not many good third basemen on the market.

        1. Bill

          Agreed the FA market for 3B was weak and it’s the same this offseason. I guess I would have preferred going with someone like LeMahieu. Yes, the kid doesn’t have much power but one thing he did throughout the minor leagues was hit, hit, hit. Why not give him a shot and even if Vitters panned out DJL would still be a nice utility guy for the team? Winning wasn’t important so why not give a look at some kids instead of trying a guy who is the Randy Wells of 3B who is coming off a wrist injury?

  25. crazyhorse

    Is he healthy? stop it – a mess was made with just Colvin – now you brought up LeMahieu . Darn the monsters and zealots was winning with the name Colvin – But NO you had to bring up a third baseman the Cubs sent to Colorado. so we can pay for Stewarts medical bills and than give him a second year to prove him self.

  26. The Dude Abides

    Brett any rumors out there for a August 31 trade?