I’m slightly reluctant to even write about Washington Nationals’ utility player Mark DeRosa’s recent comments about the Chicago Cubs, given the tenor of conversation ’round these parts lately whenever the subject of “the future” comes up. But, because it’s a salient issue, and because DeRosa remains a favorite son of Chicago, here goes nothing.

With the Cubs in Washington to play the Nationals, you could imagine that folks would, at some point, want to talk to former Cub DeRosa about his time in Chicago, the state of the team, and the future of the organization. He had some interesting thoughts, including on where things stand with the Cubs.

“For me, as an outsider,” DeRosa told Patrick Mooney, “it’s hard to watch them go through the struggles they’re going to go through for the next year or two.

“Theo – I don’t want to say deserves benefit of the doubt because I think that’s the wrong term – but I think Theo has a vision and it’s worked before and there’s no reason why it can’t work again.”

So DeRosa believes the Cubs are on the right track under Theo Epstein and Jed Hoyer?

“Absolutely,” DeRosa said. “Theo’s proven [it]. His track record’s proven in Boston – we don’t know all the ins and outs of previous contracts and stuff like that. But I think him and [Hoyer] are guys who have a vision. They’ve seen it work before.

“Chicago is strongest financially in that division – if they want to be. What they’re trying to accomplish from the ground up – building their farm system and making them a viable contender for many years to come – I think they can also bridge the gap by going out and spending the money and getting [players].

And if the Cubs do go out and try to acquire free agents, DeRosa reiterates that playing for the Cubs is a unique, and attractive proposition.

“People want to [go] there. I know the day games [are an issue]. That’s the biggest question I get [from] other players who haven’t been there: How did you get used to the day games? You just do – 40,000 people in the seats make you get ready to play. It’s just such a unique place to play.”

Of course, of the types of free agents the Cubs are likely to pursue this offseason, they might get to spend only a half season at Wrigley before being traded, but DeRosa’s point stands. The Cubs will likely have a financial advantage, long-term, over their NL Central rivals, and that should help them not only retain homegrown talent that becomes expensive, but also get some top free agents when the time is right.

And now you’ll all descend into madness debating when the “right” time is to pursue big name free agents…

  • Glenallen Hill’s One Homer

    Boo! I hate everyone else’s opinion of what the Cubs should do in the future! In fact, I hate the entire concept of existing in a future at all. VIVA LA PAST, DON’T TRAVEL THROUGH TIME ANY MORE!

    • SirCub

      I just wish we could all hit pause, and just live in this moment forever!

      • Hee Seop Chode

        I wish we could pause and live in the 7th inning of Game 6 in 2003, forever.

        • PJ

          As long as the pause is just before the infamous foul ball, or the ball through Gonzalez’ legs, or Prior’s implosion… when we all thought the time had finally come. I was literally in tears thinking that we had finally made it.

    • hansman1982

      then accelerate yourself to the speed of light – boom, problem solved and you will always remain in the present (for yourself anyway)

      ooo, or you could get yourself sucked into a black hole, travel through a wormhole or film Groundhog Day 3.

      • hardtop

        was there a groundhog day 2? how does one get stuck in time twice (let alone three times)
        i was living in woodstock illinois when that movie was filmed, the first one (if there is a second). it was terribly inconvenient to have your small town turned into a movie set for the better part of a year.

        • hansman1982

          maybe they were just talking about making a Groundhog Day 2…

  • BD

    I wonder why people aren’t allowed to have their own opinion on a topic. Just because what I think is different than what you think, that doesn’t make one or the other right. They are all guesses. But everyone should be allowed to guess as they please.

    • Njriv

      What kind of fairy tale country do you think we live in?

      • hansman1982

        not in my gosh darn rootin-tootin country…that’s for sure. Those kind of comments are un-Cubisim

        • hardtop


          • hansman1982

            you marxist hippy!

            • Drew7

              Why would you talk about TWC when he isnt even part of the conversation?

              • TWC


      • BD

        What difference does that make? This is one website about Chicago Cubs baseball. And anything about the future (Cubs, baseball, sports, otherwise) is unknown to every one of us. So how can anybody say who is right or wrong?

        • baldtaxguy

          You’re right. (oops)

  • bluekoolaidaholic

    I wonder how much financial advantage we have with no butts in the seats.

    • hansman1982


      In Soviet Cubsion the Cubs financially advantage you!!!

    • Spencer

      Cubs are 10th in overall average attendance and have filled 88.3% of the seats at Wrigley this season, which is 7th in MLB.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        And it’s scary how much better the Cubs sell tickets than the Nats, who have the best record in the NL. Heck, at least a quarter of the people at these games are Cubs fans, too.

  • boctoad

    Doesn’t matter how bad Cubs are they still fill seats. WSox are in first and no one cares.

    • bbmoney

      apparently the nationals too. I noticed their attendence figures were pretty abismal during the Cubs series.

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    the only certain thing as far as the cubs go, is i will be a fan till we win, or till i die.
    loyal is the cub fan, tested is the cub fan…

    • beerhelps

      You should continue to be a fan even after they win, it will probably be more fun. At least that’s what I imagine it will be.

      • http://bleachernation loyal100more

        i stand semantically corrected… yes id still be a fan even after winning. sorry i didnt explain that, sorry for the confusion.

        • beerhelps

          Just giving you a hard time my brother. now lets go have a beer.

          • http://bleachernation loyal100more

            why i otta!

      • PJ

        Not sure there is anyone alive who can attest to that truth…

  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    all things cub remain to be seen… however the team can fill seats with a bunch of nobodys…oh wait they are filling seats with a bunch of nobodys…well there you go.

  • http://Bleachernation.com Ramy16

    I like De Rosa he didn’t want to leave… Dumb ass Hendry traded him!

    • hansman1982


      wait, he has already been fired?

      Well, then get his ass back in here so I can fire him again!!!!!!!

  • paul


  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    This isn’t really a crack at younger people, but I hope most of them who think 2 years of tanking will cause nobody to go to the game realize the Cubs didn’t spend money up until after the Bartman year for 100 years before that. We still go at atleast 75% every year even when losing.

  • Crawl

    If giancarlo stanton could play right, why can’t Rizzo?

  • The Show

    If one of the main objectives of this rebuilding process is to get better every year the Cubs have a lot of work to do this offseason.

    Depending on what they do with Matt Garza (let say they keep him) they need at least two more starting pitchers. That leaves Garza, Shark and Wood are in-lock for the rotation next year. They really don’t have any options in the minors, and if they do, they are in the lower levels. They have to decide how they are going to approach Vizciano, if they see him more of a closer than a starter, and Paniagua is at least a couple of years away depending on his development. Guys like Rayley and Rusin aren’t going to make it though the whole season next year.

    They have many options in the bullpen, in-house and I’m sure there are options through FA and trade.

    They must evaluate what they are going to do at third base, catcher, and the outfield. Is Castillo the answer at catcher? What are they going to do with Stewart? Are they going to trade Soriano? Who’s going to play Center field? Is BJacks going to be their starter next year? Is he going to start back at Iowa? What about Dejesus? Is he a starter? Trade bait? or a 4th OF? Brian LaHair? What are they going to do with him? Who’s going to be in the OF next year?

    They need to completely rebuild their bench, all I see on the bench going into next season is Valbuena and Clevenger. I am not even so sure about Clevenger.

    The Cubs have a lot of moves to take this process into the next step but they are hand cuffed. There are not to many enticing free agents, and they don’t have that many enticing pieces to trade for young talent with high upsides for the future.

    • cubs1967

      the goal is not to get better each year; rather to suck each year till 2016 and then: BOOM-BAM-we’ll sign all the FA and win!………………….But that won’t really happen becuz it doesn ‘t work that way………so the question is a JH-Quade team lost 91 games and theo-jed-dale team is gonna lose 100 plus……..and next year there are few FA of value and no one we traded for at the deadline will hep in 2013……so WTF is theo doing. it’s called tanking to get higher draft picks, more internaional FA money and basically not trying. sad for cubs fans. even sadder when you consider we could still have marshall-colvin-lamahieu-we were by FAR the frontrunners on Cespedes……..all players 29 and younger that could of made a difference ……….with some FA this year……..to slowly get better……but Ricketts has such the “man-crush” on theo he’s willing to lose for 7-8 yrs of his family’s regime all on the hope of 2016. whata-coulda-shoulda-i like rizzo……..but he’s really slowed down-so prosepcts are supsects till otherwise proven so we’ll wait for almora-soler-baez-vogelbach-mapples to advance……….BUT putting all the eggs of 100 plus years of losing in those baskets is short-sided and not what 3M plus fans each year deserve. the cubs suck……..so ask yourself why would you come here in the next 4 yrs………if you are over 28-see marshall-see garza-they don’t want ya…….

      • Bil

        Sadly, I believe you are correct about the goal for many Cub fans and maybe even Theo/Jed is to lose, lose, lose for the next couple years. Tank it and then get a higher draft pick.

        The best line in DeRosa’s interview was this: “I think they can also bridge the gap by going out and spending the money and getting [players].”

        Bridge the gap doesn’t mean wait a few years and then go out and get some FA’s. They can do that now with the money they have available. I keep hearing how the FA market is thin, so it’s basically, ‘why bother?’. So, the Cubs won’t be able to fill ALL their holes this winter. Maybe they can only fill a couple holes, which is still better than what they have this year. Who cares if they overspend a little for a FA right now? They aren’t going to sign guy to anything more than a 3-4 year deal, they have lots of money available (and they will have lots of money available after FA’s are signed), and these FA’s would not be blocking any prospect as the upper levels of the farm has very few prospects.

        How many fans before the season thought Bal could be playing in post season, or the White Sox, or the Nationals?

      • baldtaxguy

        100 plus year-old eggs? Yuck!

      • King Jeff

        It makes me happy when you use grammar like this, it means I can go ahead and skip right over my share of BetterNews for the day.

    • baldtaxguy

      There are a lot of questions, as you would expect in these type of situations. To address a couple, I’d like to see a healthy Stewart for a half-season at least. There will likely be an effort to trade Soriano as there was this year. I’d like to see Jackson on the Rizzo program and go back to Iowa and see where he is at mid-season. I’d like to see DeJesus around and longer-term – he could be a very effective 4th outfielder around younger talent. Brian LaHair? Japan. I would also like to see a major free agent signing that would pay dividends when BOOM-BAM happens – like Grienke.

  • The Show


  • http://bleachernation loyal100more

    the 2014 FA class is loaded with position player talent…and some decent pitching too. maybe after drafting high the next 2 years, and with the players developing in the low minors, the 2014 class maybe the year we reach out with our bankroll and sign some players. i understand that only allows 2 years of development, but the low A guys will be fighting for roster spots out AAA and we would still have a few great draft picks that were aquired the 2-3 years prior developing. yea i know im reaching, and this probably isnt the case things probably stay bad longer than that! shit!

  • Flashfire

    Excellent, excellent trolling, Mr. DeRosa.

    Brett, you should have closed this one with: “I declare these flames open!”

  • Spencer

    If I were a free agent in the next couple years, I wouldn’t want to come to the Cubs because, 1) they’re going to suck, and 2) my name would be popping up in trade rumors literally all season long.

  • Jim

    Wait, when did we get rid of Mark Derosa?

    • Cyranojoe

      Different DeRosa.

  • Curt

    I think the cubs will spend the cash at some point on fa’s . But as much as everyone complains about them not spending the money now, it feels like the previous regime has gotten s free pass , Sam zell screwed this team into the ground by telling to spend until it hurt , now had hendry done this right myb this wouldn’t b so bad, was there no one watching where the money went during those yrs do it was spent right Now we just hve to ride this out till it turns around.

    • Cyranojoe

      You’re right. Jim Hendry gets so much love around here it’s sickening.

  • cubsin

    If I were a free agent contemplating signing with the Cubs, I’d rather have an extra $1 million if I’m traded provision in my contract than a no-trade. Leaving Chicago to go to a contending team at the trade deadline wouldn’t bother me at all.

  • Randy

    Once again a sad day to be a Cubs fan with so many crap comments. I must believe that most who post on here cant see past today let alone next year and beyond.

  • http://Bleachernation.com Ramy16

    You got that right Randy! As Cubs fans all we do hope and pray year after year! By the way my new Cubs tat should be done by saturday!

  • Steve

    I will reiterate my thoughts:

    B double E double r un.

    Ok, got it? Good. Peace!


    Again with the Fluff . yes we all know that Theo is doing the right thing (keep nodding little monsters) When a team cant buy a free agent and the draft is all their is . Yet the team continues to get worse – rebuilding is always a correct the answer, although losing a 100 games takes real talent in being bad..

    • Tommy

      So do you think we should have hung on to our veteran players and continued to play them in an attempt to win 75 games instead?

      • John

        No. They’re mad the Cubs didn’t sign any free agents in July.

  • Rizzo44

    What are the chances the Cubs go after Josh Hamilton this winter? Also what do you think it would take for the Cubs to get Chase Headley from the Pads? I feel the Cubs have some depth in the OF and can use them as bait to get a player like Chase. I also think the Cubs need to find more pitching. Trades with Boston are something Theo should look into. Lester to the Cubs would be a good move for both teams. I think the Cubs will trade Marmol, Barney, Soriano, and maybe even Lahair this winter. What are some starting pitchers you guys think the Cubs will buy low on and sell high at the deadline next summer?

    • DocPeterWimsey

      1) Very low;
      2) A lot more than the Cubs have;
      3) There is no way to tell: a guy like Maholm might pitch well enough to bring back a good prospect, but its at least equally probable that he won’t.

      • hansman1982

        I think the Cubs finally have just enough to pry Headley away from San Diego but that would reverse everything that has happened in the last 15 months in the farm system.

    • Tommy

      Josh Hamilton would be too much money for too many years. I can’t imagine the Cub’s going after him. Chase Headley on the other hand…but then, they already tried to get him before the season began, didn’t they? And I don’t think they’re willing to part with good prospects for anything at the moment.

      But I could be wrong and usually am.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Many teams have tried to pry Headley away from the Pads, but SD seems intent on keeping him.

    • ssckelley

      It would be nice but I doubt the Cubs make a move on Hamilton. He will be 32 next year, will probably fetch about 25 million on the open market, and will want multiple years.

      • Rizzo44

        But who will pay him that other than Texas? They wont give him more than 5 years.

      • Rizzo44

        I would pay him 25M for 6 with a 7th option. Thats the max I would go.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I think Hamilton’s a freak (in a good way), but I think that contract would prove a mistake.

      • gutshot5820

        Theo’s said repeatedly, he will not be paying any free agent superstar past their prime. At least not now.

    • Rizzo44

      I think Josh would kill in Wrigley like he does in TX but yes he will cost a lot. If we can trade Soriano I still think he could come play left. Chase would be very good for the Cubs I think they could make a deal happen. Got to give up something to get a guy like that. Look what he has done for the Pads in that place. I think the Cubs will sign 4 SP this winter.

    • Cubbie Blues

      I don’t want him thank you very much. After so much drug abuse Hamilton’s body is going to start breaking down. We wod be left with another Soriano contract and everyone bitching again.

  • DocPeterWimsey

    ow did you get used to the day games? You just do

    Actually, the Cubs do not. It’s been pretty well documented how much the Cubs fall off in September. DeRosa’s last Cubs team (’08) was a great example: they went from being the best teams in the NL to a sub-0.500 one in the last few weeks of the season.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett


      • coal

        I think bad teams have a lot to do wtih fading in September.

    • Frank

      Do you think that can be entirely attributed to day games?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Nobody does.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        It certainly is the most parsimonious explanation.

        • Tommy

          I’m pretty sure there’s a law against using the word parsimonious.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            OK, how about: Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.

            • MI6

              Lex parsimoniae will do.

              • DocPeterWimsey

                Hmm, I suppose that is simpler….

  • Patrick G

    MLB put out new top prospects list. A lot of New faces from the previouse top 10 with Baez 1 Almora 2 Soler 5 and pierce johnson and Blackburn thrown in there

    • willis

      I don’t agree with McNutt or Vitters in the top ten. Interesting list though. Thanks for the heads up.

  • http://bleachernation arcolacub

    When De Rosa was with the Cardinals didn’t he say it was nice to finally be on the right side of the rivalry?

    • PJ

      That’s theriot, not DeRosa.

  • Riles24

    That was Theriot, not DeRosa

  • willis

    It’s jump off a bridge time for most of us, because what we are witnessing is absolute garbage. And what the immediate future holds is worse garbage. There are so many holes it’s silly. I get what they are doing, rebuilding from the ground up and looking for sustained success in the minors and eventually in the majors. The problem is for fans, is that we are going to see filth for the next couple years on top of the filth we have seen the last couple of years. It’s insanely frustrating to imagine the most revenue heavy team in this division in the basement year after year. There is no reason it should be this way. but…

    Ask yourselves, is a 4th or 3rd place finish in the division better than dead last right now? Me, I say yes because it helps create a more positive atmosphere and actually gives fans something to cheer about. Also, in baseball, tanking for draft picks doesn’t work like in other sports. We can’t sit here and count on #1 or #2 to be the savior. Nor should we. That’s ridiculous for a team like the Cubs.

    I wish they would tinker and add a few pieces where possible just so it’s not pure filth next season. But I’m afraid that’s highly doubtful.

    • Cubbiecop

      The problem with us being 4th or 3rd right now is that the Astro’s are moving out of our division next year and we will be last in the division next year if we continue on this path. With that being said it is a necessary evil to build up the minors. If you look at a few of the players Hendry traded away to get some of the talent that we have or had then I think we would have a better, younger team. But Hendry was pressured to “win now”. While I understand the reason to keep the minor league player I do not understand why they cannot get one or two decent higher end free agents to keep some interest going in the current MLB team. I don’t expect a Soriano contract but if you gat a guy like Cano or Hamilton available at 4-5 years take it.

  • Fastball

    why not sign Hamilton. He won’t get as many years as one thinks because of his repeat issues. Bowden talked about this at length and he thinks 4 years tops. Go get David Wright to play 3b. Pay him the money and save the farm system by not making a Headley trade. Wright has already said he is hitting the FA market. I don’t really care if we have to pay big $$ to get him or Hamilton. It’s not my money and I want to win some baseball games. In fact if we signed some of these FA’s they wouldn’t even be blocking anyone for 3 years at best case scenario. So do I care how much money Ricketts makes in profit for owning this team? NOPE… I don’t care if he has to lay off hot dog vendors. I don’t give two shits about how much money it costs Ricketts to run this team. I don’t care about his wish to fix Wrigley Field or buy McDonalds across the street. He’s rich let him worry about that crap. It’s the cost of doing business. In a few years he will have a new tv contract and will be banking huge $$ so do I care if he makes any money. NO Why do people care about the payroll. Don’t sign players to stupid length contracts that are FA’s. It’s okay to do Castro deals those are smart. But get some players in here and get this show on the road. We are already going to have nice draft picks next year. That was cemented in stone before this season even started.

  • LaHair4MVP

    Josh Hamilton is one of my favorite players. I’d like to see him in a Cubs uniform but I don’t think Theo and Jed will pursue him in free agency. He’s already 31 and he doesn’t work counts. He loves to swing at the first pitch. That doesn’t fit the mold of what Theo and Jed are looking for.