Justin Germano will try to stop the bleeding tonight – his own, and the Cubs’ as a team. He’s on a terrible streak, and so are the Cubs.

Game Info

Chicago Cubs (51-85) at Washington Nationals (84-52), 6:05 CT on CSN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

The Series Preview for this series lives here.

Starting Pitchers

Justin Germano (2-5, 6.30 ERA, 3.74 FIP (includes time in Boston))


Jordan Zimmerman (9-8, 3.01 ERA, 3.62 FIP)

Washington Nationals Lineup

1. Jayson Werth, RF

2. Bryce Harper, CF

3. Ryan Zimmerman, 3B

4. Adam LaRoche, 1B

5. Michael Morse, LF

6. Ian Desmond, SS

7. Danny Espinosa, 2B

8. Kurt Suzuki, C

9. Jordan Zimmermann, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. David DeJesus, RF

2. Luis Valbuena, 3B

3. Anthony Rizzo, 1B

4. Alfonso Soriano, LF

5. Starlin Castro, SS

6. Steve Clevenger, C

7. Brett Jackson, CF

8. Darwin Barney, 2B

9. Justin Germano, P

  • hardtop

    this is painful to even read. cant they just forfeit the rest of the season? i dont even care about the 9 tickets i have to the rockies series. just let each team the cubs are to visit play their local high school for a 7 inning exhibition. likely to be far more entertaining than watching the cubs flounder beneath the thumb of whatever team is crushing them that day. for teams that are supposed to visit wrigley: paid time off; courtesy of the cubs… enjoy!

  • cubzforlife

    I’m guessing hoyer needs to see clevenger is the bigger bum. at least mighty joe’s not in the lineup. i feel a win is in the cards. I also don’t see the cubs not losing 100 games.

  • Melrosepad

    Why not give Recker a start instead of Clevenger. See if he is worth keeping around. Not like Clevenger is going to do anything tonight. Wouldn’t mind seeing another start at third from Cardenas again. First time was a bit brutal, but we need to see if he can handle it to be a bench player for next year.

  • Flashfire

    Mayo has updated his prospect rankings with some surprising results. Unsurprisingly, Baez now leads the pack (#24 overall) with Almora second (#52). Pierce Johnson is #9 which seems about right. What is surprising (and by that I mean asinine) is that Villaneuva, Alcantara, and Torreyes have completely fallen off the rankings while McNutt is #7 (AHEAD of Pierce Johnson), Whitenack is #12, the great Marcus Hatley is 20th, and Paniagua is nowhere in sight. Don’t make a whole lot of sense to me.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Hmm. And Mayo is relatively well respected.

    • Rcleven
    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      I have little argument with any of that.

      Like the rest of us, he probably lacks the data on Paniagua to project him with any confidence just yet, so that omission does not surprise me at all. In fact, he may have had the Cubs’ piece written before Paniagua ever pitched for the Cubs (league wide projects like this can take several weeks to compile).

      Keep in mind that a prospect falling off does not necessarily mean that prospect has done poorly or is less thought of. It often means that someone else has just stepped over them. Villanueva should be on the Cubs Top 20, but I can’t argue with dropping him from the League 100. And despite his successes in Daytona in the second half, I’m not sure Torreyes should be a lock for the Cubs Top 20. Alcantara is also a good prospect, but he hasn’t shown me enough to warrant automatic Top 20 inclusion either (although he is in the conversation and could make my list).

      McNutt ahead of Johnson makes perfect sense. On stuff, they are (right now) somewhat similar and McNutt has more experience, success, and could be in the majors next season.

      Whitenack at #12 is about right or a little low. Then again, I had him ranked higher than anyone last winter.

      Hatley at 20 is ok. You could swap that name out for about a dozen other pitchers and I would have same the reaction. The Cubs have a mountain of mid-rotation guys like Hatley and every analyst will have their favorite. I would go with Jokisch myself, but I can’t argue with Hatley.

      • Flashfire

        Here’s where I have a problem with it: Brett Jackson dropped precipitously because of his performance. And I think that’s fair. But, was Jackson’s performance really any worse than McNutt’s? The stuff may be similar, but Pierce Johnson showed he can command it (admittedly at a lower level), while McNutt’s K-to-BB is really nothing special for the second straight year while his home runs given up jumped from 5 to 12. I really don’t see, based on his pitching, how he can be the Cubs #7 prospect at this point. (I would have the same problem if Jackson maintained his #1 slot.)

        Ditto Whitenack. I know you like him, but he’s recovering from TJ and I think you have to at least consider the idea that he might not come all the way back in the ranking.

        Then, if we’re going to argue on ranking prospects based on how close they are to the majors, it’s really difficult to put Jeimar Candelario at 16 and keep Torreyes, Alcantara, and Villaneuva off the list.

        • JR

          McNutt sucks. He may one of the biggest dropping prospects in all of baseball.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          Once you get past the top tier or so of Cubs prospects, there is not a lot of separation. The difference between the Cubs #15 guy and #30 guy is actually pretty small. Just because someone like Torreyes is not in the Top 20 does not mean he is valued significantly less than someone who is. That is just a side affect of the Cubs overall depth.

          The quest of McNutt comes to how much we value a bullpen prospect. That is exactly what he is now (and he’s a good one), and if you look primarily at his numbers as a reliever in Tennessee it isn’t hard to make a case for ranking him highly. I doubt I’ll have him that high myself, but he will be up there somewhere.

          Injured and recovering players are tricky. We can’t assume they will recover, but it is equally risky to assume they won’t. And in fact, sometimes they come back better than they were. There is no easy or right answer. I strongly suspect Mayo is doing the conventional thing and ranking those guys based primarily on how they were pitching when last healthy before the injury; Vizcaino would not be nearly that high otherwise.

  • art

    what’s with this castillo guy?

  • Josh Z

    I just cried a little when I saw the ETA for Almora and Soler slated for 2016. This rebuilding process is going to take way longer than the 4 years I was hoping

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Soler should be up before 2016. I’ve got him pegged at late 2014 for now.

  • Njriv

    Lendy just earned so much respect from his teammates to throw at Harper like that.

    • ETS


  • Mike S

    Not sure if anyone has checked out the Cubs new Top 20 prospects…Goes like this

    1.) Javier Baez
    2.) Albert Almora
    3.) Brett Jackson
    4.) Arodys Vizcaino
    5.) Jorge Soler (kind of low?)
    6.) Matt Szczur
    7.) Trey McNutt
    8.) Junior Lake
    9.) Pierce Johnson
    10.) Josh Vitters
    11.) Dillon Maples
    12.) Robert Whitenack
    13.) Dan Vogelbach
    14.) Ben Wells
    15.) Paul Blackburn
    16.) Jeimer Canderalio
    17.) Gioskar Amaya
    18.) Tony Zych
    19.) Alberto Cabrera
    20.) Marcus Hatley

    Noticeable players left out:
    Duane Underwood
    Christian Villanueva
    Frank Batista

    • JR

      This list is garbage in so many ways..

  • Drew7

    The list is being discussed about 5 comments above yours 😉

    I agree on Soler, but I’d have him and Vizcaino move up ahead of Jackson.

    At this point, I think there are better names to put ahead of Lake and Vitters as well. Villanueva and Underwood deserve top-20 spots, I’d say, as well.

    • Flashfire

      Lake is weird. Personally, I think he’s out of the organization this winter (they need 40-man slots) and doesn’t have much chance of ever making the majors. But the tools make him a scary player if he puts it all together.

      But, really, after the years both have had, can you argue with a straight face that Lake has a better future with the organization than even a guy like Logan Watkins?

      • Flashfire

        And, for the record, I do NOT think Logan Watkins is a top-20 prospect — just that he has an excellent chance of making the majors and contributing either as the starting second baseman or a top notch backup to Castro and Barney.

  • Big Joe

    Now, the Cubs are showing that, NOT ONLY, they cannot compete, but, that they are also bush league. I’m embarrassed for them, and embarrassed to be a fan. Respect for throwing at Harper? Please. They can’t get him, or anyone else out…give up homer after homer…then throw at people? This is a BAD team showing frustration, while getting their ass KICKED by a good team. Bush.

    • Flashfire

      Glad I missed that. Dale is losing control. Not a good sign.

    • RY34

      agreed, this team is a disgrace. how close to giving up 20 homers in this series are we? so pathetic. play with some pride and be competitive

    • Njriv

      Yeah, what happened between Quirk and Porter should have been left at that. The constant chirping from dugout happens all the time but I think Porter was out of line for walking all the way basically to the front step of the Cubs dug out, he could have kept arguing from the coach’s box. If Quirk was ejected so should have been the Porter.

    • fortyonenorth

      Bush league? Really? I think most teams would have responded the same. It’s hard to say what was going on during the initial altercation but, in my 40 years of watching baseball, I’ve never seen a coach get in the opposing team’s dugout. Then, Quirk gets tossed. Unreal. I don’t like the fighting but it’s good to see the Cubs still have some fire in the belly.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        The kind of fire they displayed tonight is the same displayed when I don’t give my daughter the cookie she’s asking for.