There’s little need to re-hash what will forever be known as the Ryan Dempster Trade Saga of 2012. He screwed up a little bit, there was a bunch of bad luck and timing, and the Cubs did the best they could with a bad situation. It was all unfortunate, and I’ve pretty much said my piece.

Dempster, 35, is coming off a solid season, split between the Cubs and Rangers, and is likely to command a multiyear deal on the free agent market. While he was an imperfect fit for the Cubs long-term before the trade deadline ugliness, he is probably even more so now. In other words, I don’t reckon we’ll be seeing Dempster in Cubbie blue again.

And it’s possible that Dempster, himself, is happy about that. When discussing his time with the Rangers this season, Dempster may have taken a subtle shot at the Cubs last Friday.

“I had nothing but a great time other than today,” Dempster told reporters after his Rangers bowed out to the Orioles in the Wild Card playoff game last week. “It’s been an awesome experience here, not only how they treat you as a baseball player, but as a human. It’s a first-class organization and a great place to play.”

Is it possible Dempster intended only to compliment the Rangers, and not to imply any relative merits with respect his immediately preceding team? Maybe.

But that “as a human” bit suggests that, at some point in his professional career, Dempster has felt like he was treated as something less than that. Perhaps as … “an asset”? It seems a strange thing to say if you’re not trying to subtly emphasize something else. (And, I’m not saying his comments have anything to do with what I wrote about The Saga, but if you read my final thoughts on what happened, you may have an even better idea of why when I read his quote, I immediately think he’s back-handing the Cubs.)

We know that, for his part, Dempster wasn’t happy with the way things shook out in Chicago (i.e., that he was made out to be the villain of The Saga, whether that was accurate or not). I’m sure he’s still a little touchy about the subject, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all for him to want to get a little bit of that out.

Whatever the case, I don’t think we’ll hear too many Dempster-to-the-Cubs rumors this offseason, as much as the righty might still love Chicago.

  • Troy

    I hate the Cardinals

    • Tim

      I second that bro

      • Kyle

        Just remind yourself how many prospects they missed out on by wasting their resources on MLB wins this season. Idiots.

        • Jeff

          Yeah Kyle, I hope Theo and Jed were watching and don’t follow the Nationals pattern and make some killer trades or sign some top free agents in the off-season.

        • Eric

          maybe in a couple years we can have a foundation that is as good as the nationals where we don’t have to suck just to beable to have the resources to compete for big name trades.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Because the Cardinals and Cubs were in even remotely the same position going into 2012?

          • Eric

            Little does Kyle remember that the Nationals drafted 1st in 2009, 1st in 2010, 6th in 2011, giving them Strasburg, and Harper. We drafted what, 9th which gave us Baez, 6th with gave us Almora, and next year 2nd.

            • Eric

              Oh and the Cardinals have one resource we will never have. . . . . magic pixie dust.

            • Kyle

              Oh, I remember. I also remember that they had seven years of terrible in exchange for this one LDS appearance to date, so the ratio isn’t exactly what we’re looking for.

              I also remember that they got major contributions this season and series from a free-agent (*gasp*) that they gave a large, long contract to (*double gasp*) an offseason after they won just 69 games (*triple gasp*).

              • Stinky Pete

                Oh, I remember. I also remember that they had seven years of terrible in exchange for this one LDS appearance to date, so the ratio isn’t exactly what we’re looking for.

                You didn’t include what the Nats did in 2013 through 2018. Obviously you can’t. Sooooooooo obviously you can’t use the “current” ratio.

                • DocPeterWimsey

                  Also, the Nats were good last year for the first time. (Well, they won 81 games in 2005, but that was due to a ridiculously lucky streak with 1 run games in the first half.) People forgot this, but a lot of people pointed to the Nats in 2011 as an “if everything goes right!” contender. Not everything went right, but they were above average.

                  They do have a team set up to compete for a while. Rendon will let them move ZImmerman to first (Zim’s shoulder is shot), and they have some depth in pitching that might let them overcome the inevitable loss of some young starters.

        • King Jeff

          Or we could remind ourselves how they passed on the biggest free agent contract for one of the best players in baseball and didn’t miss a beat because they do a great job of developing players.

          • Kyle

            And they never had to tank a season to get that great farm system.

            • DocPeterWimsey

              No, the Nats “tanked” about 5 years from 2006 – 2010. Or they just were not very good, one or the other.

              • Kyle

                It’s hard to follow the little lines, but I’m pretty sure this series of posts referred to the Cardinals.

            • King Jeff

              Yeah, they did it by not overspending on free agents, drafting well, making good trades, and signing reclamation projects on the cheap.

              • King Jeff

                I think I crossed up posts here, sorry.

              • DocPeterWimsey

                Hmmm, I’m not sure that a team with Jason Werth on it can be accused on “not overspending on free agents.”

                Also, it’s not like the Nats did not try to overspend on free agents, at least by most accounts. Supposedly they offered big money to a few guys over recent years, but were turned down.

                • King Jeff

                  Like I said, I crossed up posts, I was talking Cardinals with someone on another site and responded on the wrong page. That’s what I get for talking good about St. Louis.

        • Dr. Percival Cox

          How many of the eight guys in the starting lineup were drafted and developed by the Cardinals? 5. (David Frese would be 6, but he was not drafted by the Cards — just acquired before he played a game in the majors.) How many of the pitchers in that lights-out bullpen performance were drafted and developed by the Cardinals? 4 of 5. (Mujica was picked up at the trade deadline.) The truth is, that Cardinals team is the result of a top notch organization that keeps producing quality major league talent and then is supplemented by *gasp* free agent talent. Those of us who favor the rebuild want the Cubs to do EXACTLY this.

          Yes, you’ve made the argument that they never tanked a season to get that great farm system, but the system is consistently good, so just adding one or two more good players a year keeps it consistently good. We are starting from exactly zero. So if we try to win and add one or two good players a year to it, the system will be of the Cardinals quality in about 30 years. We’re trying to jump start it by adding lots of quality talent every year — and with the new CBA finishing low in the standings is the best way to get there.

          • Kyle

            Everybody wants to have a farm system that consistently produces quality players and build around it. That’s never the question. The question is whether it’s desirable to abandon the MLB team and ignore free agency for at least one and possibly multiple offseasons in an attempt to speed up the production of that farm system.

            The Cardinals built their amazing farm system without lots of extra comp picks, without extravagant overslotting, without tanking seasons. Those are just gimmicks. They did it with the only way that matters, the way that our front office could excel at if they trusted themselves: simple scouting and development.

          • Kyle

            And we most absolutely, positively, without a doubt did not start with “zero.”

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Much as I dislike them, I have to admire the Cards. People think I’m a bit obsessed with batting eye, but the Cards won at least two games in that series largely because of the fact that they have so many batters with good batting eyes. Two of their rallies last night (including the one in the 9th) were fueled by walks, and most of those walks were driven by pitches just outside of the strike zone.

      One effect was 29 walks in 5 games, which was 14 more than the Nats drew. The teams broke even on HR and out-doubled the Nats badly. In total, the Cards had 55 more plate appearances in a 5 game span! (Oh, and, yeah, they stranded a ton more runners than the Nats did, too.)

      That won’t happen every 5 game stretch: but it will happen in a lot of them if you get guys with good eyes.

  • Troy

    Now the nationals fans get a glimpse of what it is to be a cubs fan

  • Troy

    Btw I get the sarcasm

  • gutshot5820

    558 million in salary for remaining four teams in playoffs
    (1st, 5th, 8th, and 9th highest salaries)
    Keep playing for the 1st spot in the amateur draft.

    • King Jeff

      Yeah, you’re right. The Cubs definitely would still be in the playoffs if they were top 10 in payroll. Oh wait, they ARE in the top 10 in payroll?????

  • Timmy

    Dempster should have sour grapes about being an indecisive narcissist, not about the Cubs, who overpaid him for years.

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