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Remember that time Matt Holliday slide late and high into Starlin Castro in order to “break up a double play”? (Of course you remember – it was during the first BN Blogathon!) It obvious immediately that it was a bush league play, and one that should have drawn some retaliation from the Cubs. Castro could have been seriously hurt.

This was Matt Holliday last night:

Marco Scutaro stayed in the game (before leaving late) and initial x-rays were negative, but is now undergoing tests for his how-can-it-not-be-injured leg and hip. At some point, a player stops being a “hard-nosed baseball player,” and simply becomes a “dirty baseball player.” With that slide, Holliday officially flipped over that line for me.

  • At least the Giants slapped the Cardinals down with a 7-1 win, evening the NLCS at one. Game Three is on Wednesday at 3pm CT.
  • Arizona Phil over at TCR wraps up the stats from this year’s Instructional League, which stats you have to take with the largest grain of salt possible (a grain imbued with the power of both the instructional nature of the games and the tiny, tiny sample sizes at issue).
  • Prepare yourself for two more years of Dusty Baker reminiscing about just how bad it was to be in Chicago when the Reds come to town – he got a two-year extension from the Reds. Good for all of them, I suppose.
  •  Anthony Rizzo gets a great deal of love from all comers in a piece by Patrick Mooney. You can help give him some love by donating to his charity, which will have its first “Walk Off for Cancer” on December 9 in Parkland, Florida. Details here.
  • Paul Sullivan looks at the Cubs’ past (2012 season) and future in center field, and it’s all pretty ugly. Their best option might be to keep David DeJesus in center field to start the year, and try to acquire a heavy-hitting right fielder.
  • Doug Padilla looks at third base in 2012, and it’s even uglier than center field. It doesn’t look to get a ton better in 2013, either, without a pleasant surprise.
  • In the spirit of pimping all things BN, you are hereby reminded that you should check out the Message Board. With the offseason rolling over soon, that’ll be your home for those whacky trade ideas that everyone loves to drop. Also: how to destroy an oncoming asteroid.
  • WGNstatic

    Regarding Holliday, to me, this one is on MLB. If MLB wants to eliminate plays like this, and to me they should, they have to tools to do so. A suspension is probably to extreme, particularly in the post season, but a fine and official admonishment would set a precedent.

    The crazy thing though is that a fastball in the ribs would likely draw a suspension. A play like this is just dumb. Baseball is not a better sport for plays like this.

    • Cubbie Blues

      Rule 6.05(m) states a batter is out when “a preceding runner shall, in the umpire’s judgment, intentionally interfere with a fielder who is attempting to catch a thrown ball or to throw a ball in an attempt to complete any play.
      “The objective of this rule is to penalize the offensive team for deliberate, unwarranted, unsportsmanlike action by the runner in leaving the baseline for the obvious purpose of crashing the pivot man on a double play, rather than trying to reach the base.”

      A suspension is not going too far. Scutaro could be lost for the series. A player for a player seems to be pretty fair (after taking a heater in the ribs).

      • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

        “leaving the baseline”
        Which Holliday did not do.

        • Stinky Pete

          The base line is not behind the base.

        • Cubbie Blues

          The portion in quotes that you quoted is in the rule book only for clarification. Preceding the quote is the actual rule.

        • Spencer

          He slid OVER the base. And started sliding when he was like five feet from the base when Scutaro already had the ball.

        • DarthHater

          He sure as shit did leave the baseline. You don’t overrun second base.

          • bbmoney

            “sure I stayed in the baseline….there’s a base in leftfield now isn’t there?”

            -Matt Holiday.

            But seriously, I’m all for going into second hard to break up a double play. But I’m not all for waving at second base as you fly by in the air, not even bothering to attempt to touch the bag and using the pivot man as your break so that you might be able to touch second if you didn’t clip your fingernails today once you’ve stopped on the pivot mans crumpled body. “going into second hard” implies you’re actually going into second, not aiming for 12 feet past the bag with your slide. Ridiculous.

      • fortyonenorth

        Rules are great, but they have to be enforced and, in the case of this one, it seldom is. I agree with the post above – this one’s on MLB. This should apply to plays at the plate as well – to avoid future Buster Posey injuries.

        • http://worldseriesdreaming.com/ Rice Cube

          I note that Holliday’s slide was very similar to a Campana take-out slide last season when Campy slide almost perpendicular to the base in order to take out the middle infielder on a would-be double play. Until the rule is enforced as it should everyone will keep doing this. The most unfortunate thing is that Scutaro’s leg got caught so awkwardly. Most of the time I think the middle infielder tries to jump over the slide (which screws up the timing and the oomph behind the throw).

          I wish I knew which game that Campy slide was from but I recall that the commentators were saying what a good takeout slide it was. The motion was essentially the same, but I guess the main difference is that only Holliday’s slides resulted in quad damage (huh huh) and Campy probably felt more like a spitball hitting the side of your head.

          • http://worldseriesdreaming.com/ Rice Cube

            Though looking at it from this angle I think Campana actually started his slide a hell of a lot sooner than Holliday did and was closer to the ground. So advantage Campana.

      • Internet Random

        Suspend and fine Holliday. Fine the umpire. (If you can’t fine umpires yet, change the labor agreement.) Umpires aren’t there to make rules, they are there to enforce them… even the rules they don’t care for.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          Like the infield fly, this is a subjective rule. The baserunner is supposed to be going for his base and not go out of his way. So, where is the line? The usual rule of thumb is, could he reach the base? It looks like Holliday could.

          Moreover, these things happen pretty quickly: it’s obvious on the replay that Holliday did not begin to slide until he was on top of the bag, but at the time (when the ump is concentrating on whether the ball beats Holliday), it might not be.

          And as for the labor agreement, it exists for a reason: so that people don’t trample on the umpires for making mistakes. (Don’t whine “I get fired if I make a mistake”: it’s not the ump’s fault that you cannot get a job with security.)

          • Internet Random

            So, where is the line? The usual rule of thumb is, could he reach the base?

            So a spikes-up slide is all good, as long as you can reach the base?

            And as for the labor agreement, it exists for a reason: so that people don’t trample on the umpires for making mistakes.

            It must be convenient to have such a simplistic view of the universe, but here in the real world, negotiated agreements/contracts don’t usually exist for the sole benefit of one party.

            Also, in the real world we’re not limited to black and white. Just like there many colors, there are also many positions between letting people “trample on the umpires for making mistakes” and letting umpires abuse their discretion.

            (Don’t whine “I get fired if I make a mistake”: it’s not the ump’s fault that you cannot get a job with security.)

            It’s all good, Tiger. I don’t have the kind of job that I can get fired from.

    • JulioZuleta

      A fastball to the upper back, or just above the head should do it. It seems like teams are scared to throw at other teams’ all-stars these days.

      Just glad Scutaro didn’t get his knee shredded, that looked ugly.

      • MichiganGoat

        problem is that the Giants pitcher would get tossed and fined while Holliday only has to deal with a bruise

        • JulioZuleta

          I still think most umps are reasonable enough to let the players police themselves at first. They don’t want to be making judgment calls, and they don’t want dirty slides injuring players. I think if the Giants hit him tonight, they’d warn both benches and that’d be that.

          • bloctoad

            Body slam Molina at the plate. He took a good knock toward the end of the season and would probably be out for the series. We’ll see what former catcher Matheny thinks of that baseball.

          • Internet Random

            If the Giants hit him tonight, it will be a matter for the police, not for MLB.

  • JB88

    @WGNstatic – there already is a rule banning that sort of slide. Honestly, I wish the Giants would have gone headhunting at Holliday in his next at-bat. IMO, throwing at the next player after someone hits a homerun is stupid, but drilling a guy for a dirty slide that the umps do nothing about? Fair game.

    • Stinky Pete

      Runner on second with no outs. Granted you set up the force, but you also give stl a chance at a big inning. I wanted it too, but it didn’t seem right.

    • WGNstatic

      Yes, I know the rule, I should have been more clear. The existence of the rule is exactly why this falls on MLB. Clearly, he broke a rule and endangered another player. It is up to MLB now to come down on him. They failed to do so when he took out Castro (and in fairness Holliday isn’t the only player to do this), so that falls into MLB’s lap. It is up to the league to enforce the rules.

      As for the umps, that is a tough call. Sure, they absolutely should have called the batter out due to interference, but in the pantheon of missed calls this one ranks pretty low. The real problem is injuring an opponent on an illegal play. That is not something that is up to the umpires to enforce but rather the league.

      • JB88

        The league isn’t going to do anything. This is going to drive ratings. You watch the theme that the networks use leading up to Game 3. Bet this is shown in every promo spot. Baseball “wants” this sort of thing. They think it adds dramatics to the series. No way baseball does anything. That’s why this was on the Giants to do something about it during the game.

        • WGNstatic

          I don’t disagree with you that MLB will likely do nothing. However, I do see a stupid double standard. If a pitcher hits a batter and the league feels it was intentional, he gets suspended. This slide was no less illegal than hitting a batter and the likelihood of serious injury is likely greater.

          Whether the Giants should have retaliated… that is a tough question. If they hit Holliday his next time up, you are giving the Cards a baserunner, therefore helping the opposition. When Holliday took out Scutaro, he saved his own team a baserunner. Unless the Giants aimed at Holliday’s head, or some other way to actually knock him out of the game (which they clearly should not do), then any retaliation is more chest puffing than anything else.

          • Cubbie Blues

            Will Clark was quoted saying that it wasn’t over yet.

            • bbmoney

              But unless there’s a blowout in this series you wait until next year.

              And you don’t go head hunting, you just try to break a rib or two with some 95MPH heat.

  • hansman1982

    Wow, either Holiday is a dirty player or the worst baseball player in the history of the game at sliding into a base…I think I can do better and I can’t slide.

    • Cubbie Blues
      • Cubbie Blues

        guess it wouldn’t link sorry.

      • Cubbie Blues

        Thanks Ace, what did I do wrong with the link?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Hard to tell from my end, but the short version is that you’ve got to add the URL when it asks for the URL, and then the words you want to display for the link (which I believe you’re also prompted for). When I look at it, it’s in html, so it’s different for me.

    • Spencer

      and it’s not really even a slide. he leaped (leapt?) from five feet before the base into scutaro.

  • Beer Baron

    I know Bud would never have the stones to suspend Holliday, but this is just as dangerous of a play as a pitcher throwing at someone and that almost always earns a suspension. Its one thing to go into the base hard, but he started his slide after the base so there is no question of his intent. And if Scutero is hurt and can’t play, I’m pretty sure they can’t replace him on the roster until the next round, leaving them a man short for the rest of the series – if that happens I think a suspension is absolutely in order.

    And how does the umpire who is 5 feet away not see and call interference?

  • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

    Ha, look at this slide in the 72 World Series that Buster Olney tweeted:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Dp-DxfAlc

    I wonder what percentage of players throughout history would be considered “dirty” by today’s standards.

    • hansman1982

      the first one is legit; however, the 2nd one is just hilarious

    • Spencer

      The second one is obviously awful lol, the first one looks ok to me. maybe he went in a little high with his cleats.

      • Mick

        IMO, the cleats slide was the cheapest of the two. Have you ever been or seen anyone get cleated before? It takes weeks for the bruises and gashes to heal and it’s hard to even walk after it’s happened. Holliday’s slide wasn’t that bad, you can tell he let up at the end. It just so happened that Scutaro’s leg got twisted underneath. This is playoff baseball, it’s your job to take out the throw 100% of the time. If Scutaro would have stuck that throw in-between Holiday’s eyes, the runner at first would have been out. I fault Scutaro for not being more aggressive.

        • stillmisskennyhubbs

          For someone who claims to know the game, your suggestion about Scutaro’s lack of aggressiveness is off-base. He had no chance to react.

          • Mick

            Ok, I watched the whole play and I agree. Scutaro had no time to react, he did the right thing and stood in there and tried to make the turn. I still don’t necessarily think it was a dirty play since we’re all taught to go in hard at 2nd base if there’s a chance to break up the play.

            • MichiganGoat

              He didn’t go in hard to second he flat out flew at the Scutaro, its great baseball when you slide into the base and disrupt the play but when you slide in with cleats up (as he did with Castro) or make a WWE type of takedown splash with no intention or attempt to make a valid slide. He might as well just have ran up to Scutaro and punched him in the face, this was a takedown first and a slide was even a distant second. We are taught to slide into the base at an angle to disrupt the play not to leap and do a flying cross check or go cleats up into a players thigh. This is beyond dirty baseball this is St. Louis baseball.

            • bbmoney

              Again, “going hard into second” implies you’re actually going into second.

              Holiday didn’t even bother to try to touch the bag, he might as well have waved as he flew by. I mean go hard into second, absolutely, but go into second, not into short left field with your slide. I mean he would have stopped at least 10 feet by the bag had he not used Scutaro as a break.

        • Stinky Pete

          Watch it again and tell me where holliday is when Scutaro lets go of the ball.

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    Tons of salt required or not, it’s nice to see Soler hit everything that wasn’t nailed down.

    • JB88

      Krist’s numbers are the most impressive to me. The way that kid is raking the ball, I sure hope he can field, because having another catcher prospect would be awfully nice.

      • Dr. Percival Cox

        Fielding has never been an issue for him. He wasn’t supposed to hit this well. He was a bit of an enigma in college, though: 8 home runs combined his freshman, junior, and senior years. 10 in his sophomore year. I keep waiting for those numbers to come back to earth (as they did at the end of the season — in a big way — though that could be attributed to exhaustion). But, if he keeps doing this — well, that’s one of the better 9th round picks in memory.

  • MichiganGoat

    We all know that if the Giants had a player attack their player the way Holliday does, the Redbirds would be screaming for justice, fluffing their mullets, and pressing their stonewashed jeans for battle. There are reasons to hate the Cardinals and this is just one in a long list of things I hate about that team. Yes that deserves a suspension there was nothing but a malicious intent to attack a player it is barely a slide it was closer to a WWE move. Stay classy St. Louis

    • Cubbie Blues

      In telling St. Louis to stay classy you are inferring that they were once upon a time actually … classy.

      • MichiganGoat

        Well they say their mullets are classy

        • Cubbie Blues

          Business in the front, party in the back.

          • Internet Random

            How could you not go with Missouri Compromise there?

  • Fishin Phil

    First I would bean him. Then when he is standing on first base, I would bean him again. I hate Matt Holliday.

    • EQ76

      Then, I would hire Mr. Bean and send him to his house.

      • hansman1982

        and HILARITY WOULD ENSUE!!! Then MTV would pick it up as a TV show, replace Mr. Bean with a crack dealer, Matt Holliday with a pregnant 8 year old and ratings would double…

  • Stinky Pete

    I was really hoping the cards would play the white sox next year. If no one is going to stop holliday from being a thug, at least he could be taking out thug secondbasemen…

    • Spencer

      Why can’t he do this against Brandon Phillips?

  • Stinky Pete

    Maybe I’m starting to obsess about this a bit, but I would actually like to hear cardinal fans defend him. I mean like real, rational defense. I’m very concerned about being fair and not letting hatred of stl color my opinion of this but yeah, this is ridiculous.

    • MichiganGoat

      ” real, rational” these are words that St. Louis does not understand

  • bloctoad

    This wasn’t hard nosed baseball this was clear cut dirty from a guy with a history of doing this. I’m not sure he even touched the bag as he leapt over it. In basketball this would be a flagrant foul and possible ejection as he deliberately made no play at the ball but the player instead. Holliday made no play at the bag and clearly his target was clearly Scutaro’s legs and groin.

  • CubFan Paul

    Yikes at the last two heavy hitting RFs the Cubs acquired: Fukudome and Bradley.

    I like idea of trading for Gerardo Parra because he’s Dejesus-light, but with 3 more years of cheap control. Then Dejesus can be traded at the deadline for another Vizcaiano or Villanueva.

    Does anyone know anything about the DBacks pitching prospects?

    • JB88

      Just making up for the absurd luck the Cubs had in acquiring Dawson for peanuts and Sosa for a bag of baseballs.

    • Jeff

      Dbacks pitching prospects?? Oh, there a hell of alot better than anything we have, the only problem is what would we have to sacrifice to get one of them, if you haven’t noticed, we are kinda of lacking in tradeable assets. The guys other teams want in return kind of hamper the “it’s not a rebuild” Nobody really wants are Sorianos, Marmols and even Garzas. They want our Castros, Rizzo and Jacksons

      • CubFan Paul

        I think the DBacks were/are/will be interested in Garza this offseason. They fit the profile of the small market that has a good team that can win now with a little help from an asset that will net a draft pick(s) for the 2014 draft. Theo also hired some DBacks front office personnel so they’re very familiar with the DBacks on and off the field.

        You’ll be surprised at the interest in our Sorianos and Marmols this offseason.

        • Jeff

          They are a team that we would match up well with us in a trade scenario. They have some great pitchers that would help us rebuild the pitching staff and you are right, they are in a position to challenge in that division if they add a few right pieces.

          I’m counting on your faith that Soriano and Marmol have more value than what I believe they do.

          I’d prefer to keep Soriano though, if other teams only want to offer us mid-tier level prospects. His performance this year demands at least two organizational top ten prospects.

          I’d trade a Garza for a Archie Bradley, David Holmberg and a Matt Davidson, don’t think it’s going to happen though. Teams are going shy away from Garza’s injury and the fact that he’s one year away from free agency. The Cubs, as usual, will get squeezed on what they are offered for Garza and we will receive less than in return if he is traded.

          • CubFan Paul

            I think the Braves are the best fit Soriano. They need a LF and a CF, and maybe a 3B prospect (Vitters).

            Soriano wants warm temperatures, eastern time zone, and a contender. The Braves fit, especially since they have $22M-$30M to spend this offseason. If the Cubs pay all of Sori’s deal minus the major league minimum, I bet theo&Co. could acquire Delgado (again) or Teheran or both in a bigger deal.

            Delgado and Teheran will be the odd men out again (rotation wise) in 2013, so the Braves have trading bullets.

  • JR

    That might be the most ridiculous slide I have ever seen. Holiday should be suspended for that.

  • Melrosepad

    I think Scutaro or whoever for the Giants is in the position next with Holiday needs to kick it old school and side or submarine a ball to first at about head level. Lets see how Holiday fairs when the throw comes in at his face.

  • Njriv

    Seems dirty to me. I would be fine with it if he took him out sliding through the base, but it looks like he slid over the base making little to no contact with the base. He might as well just forget sliding and gave Scutaro a pile-driver.

  • Canadian Cubs Fan

    Instant Karma bitch-slap when Scutaro hit that ball to left and Holliday butchered it. That guy makes Manny Ramirez look like a gold-glover.

    Man I hate McCarver and Buck. Such homers. Even with the Cards down 5-1, all they could talk about was how amazing Shelby Miller is.

  • Larry Bittner

    I think Holliday, pretty much, went from being 2 tool player, to being just a tool.

  • http://www.backingthepack.com Rynomite

    Marcelo Carreno PTBNL in Baker deal. Actually a guy with upside. Upper 80s/low 90s sinker and solid change. 6-1, 180ish RHP from Venezuela. Only 21. Needs a few ticks on the FB and to develop a curve/slider. Very good K/BB ratio as repeater in low A this year. Starter in the minors but projects as a middle reliever if he makes the show.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Thanks for the head’s up, Ryno. I had just seen that on Twitter – definitely a credible report, but I’ll wait to hear from another source before getting too excited. Seems too good to be true (not that Carreno is an uber stud, but he’s a legit top 20 type prospect … which seems like an absurd amount for Baker).

  • Cub Fan Dan

    I do recall when he slid spikes up at Starlin.

    Matt Holliday is a POS. I would like to see him kicked him in the nuts repeatedly.

    • MichiganGoat

      Oh Katie you’re up…

  • Spencer

    I appreciate you using my phrasing. pimp.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Which phrasing?

      • Spencer

        I asked you to “pimp the message board”, and you said “pimp” in the last bullet. It made me happy face.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Roger that. I aim to please.

  • Cubbies4Life

    Holliday is a complete a-hole. I, too, was surpised that he didn’t get knocked back during his next at-bat. The Cardinals are heinous.

  • Carne Harris

    Holliday seems like a dicksicle, but I have no problem with this play. This is hard nosed baseball. If there wasn’t such a disparity in size and Scutaro’s leg wasn’t pinned, it wouldn’t even be an issue. No malice intended, Holliday was just trying to break up the double play, and even asked if he was okay afterward but Scutaro didn’t reply. If you don’t like this play, you better not like Pete Rose running over Ray Fosse in the All Star game either. (Which you should.)

    • Stinky Pete

      Nope. I really don’t care for career ending injuries. (And neither should you.)

    • Internet Random

      I’m not even that wild about Pete Rose breathing, let alone trying to kill Fosse.

      He’s a crooked thug who will soon be nothing more than an obscure cautionary tale.

  • Big Daddy

    I didn’t think it was that dirty. He tried to break up the double play. I am a high school coach and we teach our kids to break it up. If they didn’t get twisted up and Scutaro hadn’t come up limping nobody would say a word. It is part of the game. I hate the Cards as much as any self respecting Cub fan, but I didn’t think this was that big of a deal. We are turning our country into a bunch of panzies.

    • bbmoney

      I really hope you teach them to at least try to touch 2b whlie breaking up a DP. I’d be pretty pissed if my kid was playing second and one of your kids flew over the bag without touching it and took him out.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      No one – anywhere – is griping that Holliday tried to break up a double play. We’ve all seen a game of baseball or two, and recognize that it’s an important part of the game. Diving (you can’t even really call it sliding) OVER TOP of the bag so that you can hit the guy high? That is not a part of any game, and I’ll hope for your players’ sake that you don’t teach them to do that.

    • Carne Harris

      Agreed. Just good hard baseball. If Holliday has a history of this I have no idea, but looking at that one play by itself, nothing wrong with it. Anyone thinking he hit Scutaro high needs to watch the video again.

      • bbmoney

        Carne maybe someone is saying he hit him high….but that’s not the gripe here.

        Look at the replay yourself, can you honestly say he was even trying to go into second? Isn’t that an important part of ‘going into second’ hard to break up a double play? The, you know, actually touching the bag part.

        He just flew over the bag without touching it (practically blowing it a kiss as he passed by) right into scutaro’s lower leg. His slide was a good two steps to late to actually even somewhat try to say he was going into second hard. he was simply going into scutaro hard, second base be darned.

        • Carne Harris

          He definitely slid late to break up the double play, but the same way players will slide way right or way left to break up the double play. He didn’t hit him high, got a piece of the bag, asked if he was okay after, and said after the game he wished he’d started the slide earlier. No way that’s dirty. Scutaro knows he’s getting hit there the same way a receiver in the NFL knows he’s getting hit when he has to jump for a ball down the middle of the field. But he hung in there anyway (most 2b jump and throw there) and nearly got the out at first because of it. That’s just part of the game and hard nosed playoff baseball by both of them.

          • hansman1982

            You are right…he didn’t hit Scutaro high…nope rather he crashed into the side of his knee…you know, the thing that is about the most easily destroyed joint in the body?

            Also, calling that a late slide is like saying the Great Depression was a “tough job market”… If he didn’t have a history of literally going after the DP guy there this wouldn’t be a big deal.

            • Carne Harris

              That last sentence is right anyway. But unless you’re saying he intentionally swiped the knee Cobra Kai style, still not a dirty play.

      • Cubbie Blues

        He went at Castro last year at the trade deadline. Here is the video.[img]http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=17460093&c_id=chc[/img]

        • Cubbie Blues

          Couldn’t insert the video as an image but the link on the “Here” works.

  • JR

    Well obviously he was trying to break up the double play which is always a good baseball play. But Holiday took it way to far. He completely slid over the bag and almost missed it entirely. I think it was extremely dirty.

  • Big Daddy

    I keep watching the video and I just don’t see it being dirty. He went directly into the bag and he wasn’t that high. I still think it was clean.

    • JR

      He went directly over the bag, and way on the other side of the base towards Scutaro. It wasn’t even close. I guess we just have different opinions on it.

    • bbmoney

      I guess we have different definitions of “going directly into the bag”. Oddly mine includes the player being able to touch the bag when his slide is done.

      Sorry maybe that was too much, but I just don’t see how that play in anyway shows “he went directly into the bag” when if Scutaro hadn’t stopped him he’d be at least 10 feet by 2nd.

  • Big Daddy

    I went back and watched the Castro play. That one was dirty. He missed the bag by 5 feet. I just think the Scutaro play was clean.

    • Cubbie Blues

      Just for clarification, you think it is perfectly acceptable to start a slide/cross body check 6 inches before the bag? You can also say that his intention was to hit the bag and not the player? The rules obviously state the runner “shall” not try to interfere with the defense.

      • hansman1982

        Well I guess the play would have been dirty had Holliday just barrelled into Scutaro, or drop-kicked him…

  • hansman1982

    Upon further review the play has been deemed less of a slide and more:

    “Proper Blocking Technique for Running Backs for Dummies”

  • roy

    It was a very late slide, dirty play but to some just agressive ball. No retaliation due to the fact the giants can’t afford to lose a pitcher getting tossed out of the game. This will not be forgotten, but we will use it as leverage to whoop on that ass!!! GO GIANTS

  • Jeff1969

    If I’m Scutaro, or one of his teammates, Holliday is leaving hat field with a broken nose, fat lip, black eye. He obviously went way too far and could have ended the guy’s career.

  • Cheryl

    Wait the Giants may still reatalliate since Bud won’t do anything. What would have happened if Scutero was injured and couldn’t play baseball again? Would they do nothing?

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