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According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.

UPDATE 1 (6:44pm CT): Pujols quotes Marmol as saying (rough translation), “I am very fond of the City of Chicago. It will always be in my heart. Now I look up to the challenge with Anaheim.”

UPDATE 2 (6:46pm CT): Lots of other quotes from Marmol in Pujols’ Twitter stream, all basically saying the same kind of thing – lots of teams interested in me, but the Angels give me a chance to win, I’m excited about it, I love Chicago, etc.

UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

UPDATE 4 (6:49pm CT): I’m still waiting on the particulars of the deal – money, any other players involved, etc. – before reacting. If it’s a straight up swap, with Angels covering the $3.5 million buyout amount, I think it’s decent. Still processing. After a solid first half of 2013 by each, Haren is more flippable for good value than Marmol, so there’s that.

UPDATE 5 (6:53pm CT): Mike DiGiovanna, LA Times writer, says the Angels are “on the verge” of trading Haren for Marmol.

UPDATE 6 (6:56pm CT): Bruce Levine reports it as though it’s a done deal. Carrie Muskat notes that the Cubs aren’t willing to confirm it just yet (finalizing some details?). Jon Heyman also says it’s a done deal (at least the Haren part).

UPDATE 7 (7:01pm CT): Ok, here’s your this-thing-just-happened-10-minutes-ago-but-you-might-want-a-reaction: The best the Cubs could have hoped for in dealing Marmol in a standalone deal is getting a decent, top 20ish in a system prospect if they kicked in $5ish million of his $9.8 million salary. The best the Cubs could have hoped for in acquiring Haren is giving up someone like Junior Lake, and taking on most of the $15.5 million post-option money owed Haren (let’s say $14 million). So, if they were separate deals, it would be the Cubs sending Lake, Marmol, and $5 million for Haren, and a prospect slightly worse than Lake. Unless my math is off because I’m rushing, this looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

UPDATE 8 (7:09pm CT): Dave Kaplan says multiple sources on each side say the deal is not done quite yet. It’s progressing, but there are financial aspects to be worked out. Based on my little exercise in Update 7, I’d think some money is going to the Angels. And I’d think the Commissioner’s Office has to approve, which is why we aren’t getting official confirmation from the teams yet.

UPDATE 9 (7:11pm CT): Should have checked my various communications methods a little earlier – a source tells me the same thing as Kap. Not quite done yet, with some details yet to be worked out. Looking good, though.

UPDATE 10 (7:22pm CT): Still digging, but a source suggests there’s more than just money being haggled (i.e., another player/prospect in the deal – not sure on which side, but I’d have to assume it’s the Cubs sending out a player).

UPDATE 11 (7:33pm CT): Well, Matt Garza is pretty convinced that Haren is coming to the Cubs, with Marmol going to the Angels.

UPDATE 12 (7:43pm CT): Oh my, forgot about this – Marmol has a limited no-trade clause. Alden Gonzalez says he waived it to go to the Angels, so it may have been a total non-issue, but it’s something to remember when evaluating the trade.

UPDATE 13 (7:53pm CT): DiGiovanna got ahold of Haren who says he hasn’t heard from either the Angels or Cubs, but is “assuming it’s done.”

UPDATE 14 (7:58pm CT): You knew this was coming. You knew it. Alden Gonzalez (Angels beat guy for MLB.com) says the reports of a deal are premature, and the Angels are still negotiating with at least one other team. I told you it wasn’t a done deal …

UPDATE 15 (8:03pm CT): The reasonable fear here is that the Cubs contacted Marmol to ask him *if* he would waive his NTC to go to the Angels, he said yes, the Cubs went back to the table, and in the meantime, Marmol told a local reporter. Enter Twitter, asplode head.

UPDATE 16 (8:23pm CT): Well, Marmol spoke to a Dominican radio station moments ago as though it was a done deal. That makes me suspect more strongly that the issue is the Commissioner approval thing or minor other players thing. Seems like if there were still negotiations going on, the Cubs would have gotten ahold of Marmol by now to say, “Dude. Stop.”

UPDATE 17 (8:29pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says the same thing as Gonzalez (not done), and says essentially what I feared was the case – the Cubs asked Marmol if he’d accept a deal to the Angels, and the reporting ball unraveled from there.

UPDATE 18 (8:34pm CT): Really didn’t think this would make it to 18 updates. Dave Kaplan says it’s not done, and the hold-up is the review of financials and medicals.

UPDATE 19 (8:41pm CT): Now this is weird. Rosenthal says the decision is up to Marmol now. Which, I mean, he’s the one who leaked the whole thing, and gave an interview saying he was going to the Angels. So, I mean, if Rosie’s right, what’s the holdup?

UPDATE 20 (8:54pm CT): The original reporter, Yancen Pujols, who spoke to Marmol, is sticking by his story. He’s saying, if my rough translation is accurate, that Marmol told him he’d already waived his NTC.

UPDATE 21 (9:14pm CT): A source tells the AP that the trade has been agreed to by both sides, but is not finalized.

UPDATE 22 (9:16pm CT): Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

UPDATE 23 (9:19pm CT): Source tells me there are no major issues, it’s just a matter of negotiating the finer points. In other words, according to the source, the main components of the deal are agreed to, and aren’t falling through.

UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.

UPDATE 25 (9:25pm CT): Gordon recants in the most authoritative fashion, saying his source tells him “there won’t be a deal.”

UPDATE 26 (9:27pm CT): National media jumping on and saying the deal is off. Rosenthal says Marmol agreed, but then the Cubs pulled the deal. Let’s not jump to conclusions, because we don’t know the whole story. It could be that the money wasn’t settled yet, and the Cubs just couldn’t agree to the Angels’ requests. It could be that Haren’s medicals looked worse than they expected. We’ll probably never know, which is the most frustrating part of all.

UPDATE 27 (9:39pm CT): Bruce Levine, one of many, many to “confirm” a done deal, isn’t quite ready to throw in the towel. He says the deal is not dead, but “unlikely at this point.”

UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

UPDATE 29 (11:11pm CT): It’s all over, people. The Angels just declined Haren’s option (paying him a $3.5 million buyout in the process), and he’s now a free agent. The fact that they had to do that after supposedly being in conversations with teams all night long, coupled with the fact that the Cubs clearly had a deal in place with Marmol and subsequently backed out, tells me it was an issue with Haren’s medicals. The Cubs saw something they didn’t like, or at least that they tried to leverage into a better deal. And the deal fell apart. That’s all she wrote. I feel bad for Haren, whose agent is going to have some serious explaining to do when he tries to solicit a big contract.

  • morgan

    i know moves still need to be made, but with this trade you think the cubs can at least compete a lil next year

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      No, we now have less than what we had in our bullpen and it was horrible last year. Unfortunately, starting pitching for the most part wasn’t our issue last year. We are still going to suck unless we get some bats and a new bullpen.

      • jason

        Still gonna suck but a better return in July for haren. Plus a move to the national league for haren can only help

      • fromthemitten

        Cubs have more relief pitching prospects than starting prospects don’t be surprised if they convert Rusin/Raley/other starters who flamed out in their chances into the bullpen + I agree with Brett they really need to give Coleman a shot as a reliever since he’s obviously not a MLB caliber starter. They should be able to acquire a couple arms in the offseason now that they’ve taken care of one of their SP slots.

    • Ted

      We have a question mark of a pitcher (ceiling 2/3) added to a rotation who’s best pitchers are 2/3s. I don’t expect we’ll compete much more than we did with Dempster heading up the same rotation for the first half of last year, without a lot more.

      • Ted

        *whose, even

  • morgan

    bet the cubs sign youk for 3b, just a feeling, be nice to get one of the upton brothers to,

  • Kornel

    Amazing trade for the Cubs they can either keep Haren considering their terrible pitching or trade him in the summer and try to get some decent prospects!

  • http://bleachernation.com lou brock lives

    I’m not saying I told you so but my earlier trade prediction this week on this site was Haren & 3B Callaspo for Marmol , Vitters, & Coleman with Cubs picking up $5 million on the Marmol contract. I’m feeling pretty good right now.
    Look for Cubs to try out Zych or Chapman as new closer beginning the 2013 season.

  • Ty

    ESPN Bottom line just ran this – so pumped had to come check the site!

  • J. Edwards

    Not to rain on the parade but there’s a reason Haren is available, and reportedly only two teams in baseball were willing to compete for his services at his price tag.

    Just saying, maybe we shouldn’t conclude he’s already turned in a masterful 2013 campaign. If he’s the 2012 Dan Haren, who was getting hit harder than his younger self, at this price he isn’t a total bargain.

    I’m optimistic he’ll have a fine year but consider, the Angels would rather gamble on Carlos Marmol? Maybe they’re crazy. Maybe they know something we don’t.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      “reportedly only two teams in baseball were willing to compete for his services at his price tag”

      There were many teams interested. Many more than two.

      • J. Edwards

        I’m referring to Red Sox and Cubs as final bidders “at his price tag” (i.e. most the Angels could command).

        Other teams could offer more, the Cubs obviously are willing to pay the most so they value him the highest. I’m wondering why the rest of the teams aren’t willing to pay (excluding those that can’t). Maybe he’s not as good as I hope.

        And, ultimately, I’m saying that if he’s as good as I hope he will be, this is a steal. I wanted Haren when he was a Cardinal and I was happy to see him leave St. Louis.

        I’m trying to check the expectations though, remembering that any team willing to pay enough can have him. So he can’t be the end all be all. He didn’t cost that much.

        • Cyranojoe

          I agree with the tempering of expectations. What are we looking at, in terms of best reasonable estimates? A little better than 2012 first half Dempster?

          • J. Edwards

            If he wins 14 games with this offense I’d give the man a CY Award.

            Maybe 12? Assuming current lineup?

            Good question, would love to hear what kind of a line Brett and Luke might say is reasonable to expect.

            What do you think, Ace? What’s a good, healthy, 34-start season look like?

        • Ty

          We needed to move Marmol – no reason to have a top closer in our situation (if Marmol is that) – so I’m sure other teams weren’t willing to part with their “top closer”

          • calicubsfan007

            @ty: We needed to get rid of Marmol. The guy just wasn’t playing to the level of money that we were paying for. I think Luke did say that there was a guy at AAA for us that could be the Cubs future closer.

            • JoeyCollins

              Tony zych… depends on his spring but could be the guy by the end of the year…. look for dolis out of spring

              • calicubsfan007

                @Joey: Thanks. That was bugging the hell out of me. (=

    • Richard Nose

      well put.

    • Ted

      I agree that this isn’t going to make us a contender tomorrow, but I think “only two teams” is a little misleading. We’re in a unique position where we’re happy to overspend on short flyer-type deals; not too many teams are. Many teams would have been happy to get him on a longer and cheaper/year contract — that’s why we traded for him instead of waited until he hit the market!

  • scorecardpaul

    I’m hoping we are paying all of the money and getting more players!!!

  • fromthemitten

    Yo Garza (if healthy)/Samardizja/Haren is a damn fine top 3 in the staff. If they can get somebody like Marcum/McCarthy in the market and find a suitable #5 guy in-house this could be one of the better rotations in the NL

    • fromthemitten

      forgot travis wood existed. he’s a solid #5

  • scorecardpaul

    Thanks Brett,
    I love having one place to go for the real news. I’m waiting patiently for the final details

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Wow, Theo and Jed really are geniuses.

    • Joepoe123

      I swear if this ends up like the Delgado deal I will shot myself!

      • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

        Watch the Cubs trade Haren in July for Delgdao, now that would be something!

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          *Delgado*

        • calicubsfan007

          @someday: I really want to acquire Delgdao! Sounds like a Chinese/ Central American name. I am sorry. I couldn’t resist! (= But if the Cubs are able to turn Haren for Delgado, my mind would be officially blown.

  • Cyranojoe

    LOL Garza’s happy — Marmol won’t be there to obliterate his wins anymore. ;)

  • calicubsfan007

    YESSSSS!!! I had a feeling that we would get Haren! We got a solid, if not dominating, pitcher on our hands!

  • Brian cubs fan

    would the cubs keep garza and see how the year goes instead of trading him they could have a pretty dominating rotation with haren garza Samardzja starter to be added in free agency or via trade for 4th starter and 5th starter added in camp or in free agency or via trade and who closes

  • TonyE

    Isn’t Haren’s fastball down in the mid 80′s?

    • calicubsfan007

      @TonyE: I don’t know about that. But I watched him play when he was with the Dbacks, and I know without a doubt that he was always a control pitcher. The guy struck out batters with movement, not speed. So, I am not too worried about that if that is true.

      • TonyE

        Thanks calicubsfan007

        • calicubsfan007

          @Tony: No problemo hombre. (=

  • Believe in 2015

    Don’t forge about Vizcaino next year. I know he will be limited but that would be an amazing rotation.

    • Cyranojoe

      If everybody has a good season, yeah: Garza / Haren / Shark / TWood / Vizcaino? Pretty cool potential, anyway. But that bullpen… oh, the bullpen… *wince*

      • Lou

        The thing is though the Rays completely restructured their bullpen after departures like Juaquin Benoit to Detroit. We’re talking about the Rays, here.

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    I understand that money is tight this year, but kicking the can down the road simply makes the can even more of a pain in the ass when you happen upon it again. What happens when money is tight in 2013?

    Talk about prescient.

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Samardzija, Garza, Haren, Marcum, and Vizcaino could keep a team in contention. I wouldn’t expect us to contend next year but still a very solid rotation none to less.

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      It would be shocking if Vizcaino starts the year in the rotation next season.

      • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

        Oh he won’t start in the rotation but I do believe he will find his way in their sometime, as long as he’s healthy.

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      Or *gulp* Travis Wood.

    • Ted

      Certainly not a bad rotation, but hardly better than last year (on-fire Dempster, Garza, high-quality Maholm, Smardja, Wood). Point being: without further help this doesn’t really put us above last year, and probably puts us below (Haren unlikely to match Dempster, new flyer SP unlikely to match Maholm). But every new piece is exciting!

      • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

        Agree 100%.

      • daveyrosello

        The Cubs were a much more competitive team when they had that rotation than they were after the purge and the Garza injury. If the Cubs had any hitters worth a damn, they’d have been a 75-ish win ballclub. Not great, but at least watchable compared to the travesty the Cubs put on the field from Aug 1 onwards. And that’s all I want for 2013, progress towards the new team model, and a competitive team on the field that’s worth watching in the interim. No more Joe Mathers, or Valbuenas, or reject starting pitcher du jour please. Ugh.

  • Cyranojoe

    Why would Marmol reject Anaheim? Heck of a usually-in-contention team, with a lot of Spanish speaking players and a very Latino-friendly community.

    • fromthemitten

      You’re thinking LA. Orange County is not Latino friendly. I lived there for a few months, it’s full of xenophobes and overzealous cops.

  • W_Francisco

    Now, what do you think Thoyer Jedstein is going to do? Fill in the closer in house or try the free agent market for someone like….lets say….Madson. That would be amazing.

  • calicubsfan007

    I hope to God now that Thedstein are going to sign some bullpen arms. Then, I would think that we have a great chance to do well this year. I wonder what Doc thinks about this deal…

  • Popeye

    How about Dempster, Haren, Samardizja, Garza, Marcum? That would be sweet! We have the money, and pitching wins ball games. Can we rebuild and win, if we have a pocket full of money? I would think so.

  • calicubsfan007

    Honestly, if Vizcaino does play for the big league team this year, I would want him in the bullpen.

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      Agreed

  • morgan

    vizcanio for future closer

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      I actually like Alberto Cabrera for future closer. Really live arm and has great movement. He also didn’t look bad in his short time in the majors last year. I don’t know if he will turn out but I would expect him to be one of many candidates for next years closer job. He also could be a candidate for the #5 spot. (Same with Vizcaino.)

  • daveyrosello

    Great trade, starters are more valuable than relievers, and Marmol sucks 1 of every 3 times he takes the ball. Plus, it is absolutely imperative that the Cubs field a semi-respectable team next year after the 2012 disaster, and having decent starting pitchers instead of the bush league rejects the Cubs trotted out there in August and September is a good start.

    No one expects the Cubs to contend next year, but I think a mid-70s win ballclub is a must. Go out and get a bat for the lineup next, Theo.

    • calicubsfan007

      @davey: Who do you have in mind for the bat? The only way I would imagine us getting a bat is by trade and by getting a 3b. Definitely not Headley though.

      • BluBlud

        Upton

      • daveyrosello

        Given the rebuilding nature of the ballclub, it doesn’t make sense for the most part to acquire someone via trade, the Cubs can’t afford to lose prospects that potentially could fill ML holes in the future. What they do have is money, and lots of it. I’d look to veteran FA bats on short-term deals that can bridge the gap to youngsters arriving in 2015. Guys like Mark Reynolds (has played a lot of 3B in the past), Bobby Abreu (still productive but nearing the end, so definitely a 1-year deal there), Nick Swisher (age 32, so might be too expensive/want too many years), etc…

        None of these types are all-stars, but they are productive and can help field a more competitive team.

        • Ted

          I tend to agree with this, but the right guy – Justin Upton – may warrant giving up a few prospects for. This article changed my mind a bit on the subject — http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/10/26/3559302/miguel-cabrera-detroit-tigers-trade-world-series

          (obviously Upton now != Cabrera then, but that might also mean we have to give up less in prospects than the Tigers did)

        • calicubsfan007

          @davey: I can agree with that idea. The only thing is that there really isn’t anyone (outside of Chavez) that really makes me want to obtain by FA. Just about all the free agents either had down years or they have attitude problems. I know that trades right now aren’t really the most prudent idea considering that we are rebuilding, but I meant that we acquire young players by trade.

  • Ty

    Garza / Demp / Haren / Shark / Wood ????

  • calicubsfan007

    Fingers crossed the Cubs sign someone like Marcum. We really don’t want Wood to be in our starting rotation. *rubs forehead* please dear God, not again.

  • Popeye

    Wood may be great, with more time to develop. Maybe he just needs less time pitching and more practice sessions. How about moving him to the pen, and signing someone to replace him in the rotation for a year or two. He does have the stuff (or does he?).

    • calicubsfan007

      @popeye: I guess so. I do like him. But he is so Jekyll and Hyde. Especially near the end of the season. If he shows enough improvement though, i can be on board with him starting pitching for us (wow, that was a horribly worded sentence).

  • fromthemitten

    lol Cubs

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      That should be a thing like lolcats.

      • fromthemitten

        [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcw12unz1E1qzc079o1_500.png[/img]

        Of course Bad Luck Brian roots for the Cubs

    • fromthemitten

      *goes to the liquor store*

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    The Cubs really need to work on fundamentals this spring. Like: “How not to babble confidential stuff to reporters.” And “Keeping your mouth shut for fun and profit.”

  • chris

    Forget next year, keep putting together pieces for a sustained run imo.

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