According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.

UPDATE 1 (6:44pm CT): Pujols quotes Marmol as saying (rough translation), “I am very fond of the City of Chicago. It will always be in my heart. Now I look up to the challenge with Anaheim.”

UPDATE 2 (6:46pm CT): Lots of other quotes from Marmol in Pujols’ Twitter stream, all basically saying the same kind of thing – lots of teams interested in me, but the Angels give me a chance to win, I’m excited about it, I love Chicago, etc.

UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

UPDATE 4 (6:49pm CT): I’m still waiting on the particulars of the deal – money, any other players involved, etc. – before reacting. If it’s a straight up swap, with Angels covering the $3.5 million buyout amount, I think it’s decent. Still processing. After a solid first half of 2013 by each, Haren is more flippable for good value than Marmol, so there’s that.

UPDATE 5 (6:53pm CT): Mike DiGiovanna, LA Times writer, says the Angels are “on the verge” of trading Haren for Marmol.

UPDATE 6 (6:56pm CT): Bruce Levine reports it as though it’s a done deal. Carrie Muskat notes that the Cubs aren’t willing to confirm it just yet (finalizing some details?). Jon Heyman also says it’s a done deal (at least the Haren part).

UPDATE 7 (7:01pm CT): Ok, here’s your this-thing-just-happened-10-minutes-ago-but-you-might-want-a-reaction: The best the Cubs could have hoped for in dealing Marmol in a standalone deal is getting a decent, top 20ish in a system prospect if they kicked in $5ish million of his $9.8 million salary. The best the Cubs could have hoped for in acquiring Haren is giving up someone like Junior Lake, and taking on most of the $15.5 million post-option money owed Haren (let’s say $14 million). So, if they were separate deals, it would be the Cubs sending Lake, Marmol, and $5 million for Haren, and a prospect slightly worse than Lake. Unless my math is off because I’m rushing, this looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

UPDATE 8 (7:09pm CT): Dave Kaplan says multiple sources on each side say the deal is not done quite yet. It’s progressing, but there are financial aspects to be worked out. Based on my little exercise in Update 7, I’d think some money is going to the Angels. And I’d think the Commissioner’s Office has to approve, which is why we aren’t getting official confirmation from the teams yet.

UPDATE 9 (7:11pm CT): Should have checked my various communications methods a little earlier – a source tells me the same thing as Kap. Not quite done yet, with some details yet to be worked out. Looking good, though.

UPDATE 10 (7:22pm CT): Still digging, but a source suggests there’s more than just money being haggled (i.e., another player/prospect in the deal – not sure on which side, but I’d have to assume it’s the Cubs sending out a player).

UPDATE 11 (7:33pm CT): Well, Matt Garza is pretty convinced that Haren is coming to the Cubs, with Marmol going to the Angels.

UPDATE 12 (7:43pm CT): Oh my, forgot about this – Marmol has a limited no-trade clause. Alden Gonzalez says he waived it to go to the Angels, so it may have been a total non-issue, but it’s something to remember when evaluating the trade.

UPDATE 13 (7:53pm CT): DiGiovanna got ahold of Haren who says he hasn’t heard from either the Angels or Cubs, but is “assuming it’s done.”

UPDATE 14 (7:58pm CT): You knew this was coming. You knew it. Alden Gonzalez (Angels beat guy for says the reports of a deal are premature, and the Angels are still negotiating with at least one other team. I told you it wasn’t a done deal …

UPDATE 15 (8:03pm CT): The reasonable fear here is that the Cubs contacted Marmol to ask him *if* he would waive his NTC to go to the Angels, he said yes, the Cubs went back to the table, and in the meantime, Marmol told a local reporter. Enter Twitter, asplode head.

UPDATE 16 (8:23pm CT): Well, Marmol spoke to a Dominican radio station moments ago as though it was a done deal. That makes me suspect more strongly that the issue is the Commissioner approval thing or minor other players thing. Seems like if there were still negotiations going on, the Cubs would have gotten ahold of Marmol by now to say, “Dude. Stop.”

UPDATE 17 (8:29pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says the same thing as Gonzalez (not done), and says essentially what I feared was the case – the Cubs asked Marmol if he’d accept a deal to the Angels, and the reporting ball unraveled from there.

UPDATE 18 (8:34pm CT): Really didn’t think this would make it to 18 updates. Dave Kaplan says it’s not done, and the hold-up is the review of financials and medicals.

UPDATE 19 (8:41pm CT): Now this is weird. Rosenthal says the decision is up to Marmol now. Which, I mean, he’s the one who leaked the whole thing, and gave an interview saying he was going to the Angels. So, I mean, if Rosie’s right, what’s the holdup?

UPDATE 20 (8:54pm CT): The original reporter, Yancen Pujols, who spoke to Marmol, is sticking by his story. He’s saying, if my rough translation is accurate, that Marmol told him he’d already waived his NTC.

UPDATE 21 (9:14pm CT): A source tells the AP that the trade has been agreed to by both sides, but is not finalized.

UPDATE 22 (9:16pm CT): Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

UPDATE 23 (9:19pm CT): Source tells me there are no major issues, it’s just a matter of negotiating the finer points. In other words, according to the source, the main components of the deal are agreed to, and aren’t falling through.

UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.

UPDATE 25 (9:25pm CT): Gordon recants in the most authoritative fashion, saying his source tells him “there won’t be a deal.”

UPDATE 26 (9:27pm CT): National media jumping on and saying the deal is off. Rosenthal says Marmol agreed, but then the Cubs pulled the deal. Let’s not jump to conclusions, because we don’t know the whole story. It could be that the money wasn’t settled yet, and the Cubs just couldn’t agree to the Angels’ requests. It could be that Haren’s medicals looked worse than they expected. We’ll probably never know, which is the most frustrating part of all.

UPDATE 27 (9:39pm CT): Bruce Levine, one of many, many to “confirm” a done deal, isn’t quite ready to throw in the towel. He says the deal is not dead, but “unlikely at this point.”

UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

UPDATE 29 (11:11pm CT): It’s all over, people. The Angels just declined Haren’s option (paying him a $3.5 million buyout in the process), and he’s now a free agent. The fact that they had to do that after supposedly being in conversations with teams all night long, coupled with the fact that the Cubs clearly had a deal in place with Marmol and subsequently backed out, tells me it was an issue with Haren’s medicals. The Cubs saw something they didn’t like, or at least that they tried to leverage into a better deal. And the deal fell apart. That’s all she wrote. I feel bad for Haren, whose agent is going to have some serious explaining to do when he tries to solicit a big contract.

  • Brian Peters

    From the Dempster deal to this one and beyond, Epstein is looking like a rookie. This is more embarrassing than the 100 loss year. Handle your damn business professionally, Theo!!

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      Not Epstein’s fault. This came from a Dominican reporter — the only one who conceivably could have told him was Marmol.

      • Brett

        Yes, it originated with Marmol.

    • hansman1982
      • Lou

        Yes, but Matt Garza’s feelin’ great about this and that’s all that counts.

      • hansman1982

        Or how about this from

        The Cubs have not made an announcement, but an source confirmed the deal.

        And the Dempster trade was broken by an Atlanta reporter.

        Again, Theo called and said have a seat.

      • Kyle

        Yeah, there’s nothing to bash here.

        The only way I could twist this into a Theobash is to simply say this is the kind of move that shows what the front office is capable of when they want to do something, which makes it all the more frustrating when they choose not to apply that amazing skill to the Cubs’ immediate fortune.

      • EQ76

        I love how everyone thinks theo is the gm. How about we all start maybe giving notice to Jed Hoyer since he is our gm

    • Eric

      What do you expect man? if marmol has a limited no trade theo/jed HAS to ask marmol if he will actually go to the angels before they start finalizing the deal.

  • W_Francisco

    I can’t take this anymore, im going to stop following to trade rumors

  • Believe in 2015

    Only the Cubs would leak every single trade!!!!

  • Can’t think of a cool name

    If we don’t get Haren what’s the chance the Angels still want Marmol? Any prospects worth trading for in the Angels’ organization?

  • Brian Peters

    I just see this offseason being bleak house incarnate. Theo apparently needs to keep this stuff under his freaking hat.

  • FFP

    What are the odds that the next contract the Cubs ink contains a “no tweet” clause?

  • Believe in 2015

    ESPN just reported the trade. Does that mean that the deal was confirmed?

    • Brett


  • Lou

    God, Garza’s awfully chatty on Twitter tonight.

  • @cubsfantroy

    After the Dempster ordeal I won’t hold my breath. I’m gonna wait til its announced before thinking and hoping.

  • Lou

    Per Rafael Rojas on Twitter, Marmol’s now going on Dominican radio to talk about the trade.

    • Brett

      Saw that – wish I spoke Spanish or got Dominican radio.

  • North Side Irish

    just found this funny…

    Jonathan Bernhardt ‏@jonbernhardt
    Haren for Marmol is like trading a luxury car with engine problems for a bike with a rocket booster strapped to the handlebars the wrong way
    Retweeted by keithlaw

    • Lou

      And jay jaffe states “Hi Theo? I’ve got a proven frontline starter coming off a lousy year, but what I really need is a closer who can’t find the strike zone.” :)

  • Cubs1967

    assuming the trade goes thru; dempster with an ERA below 2 got us a fringe P prospect at best and a 3b, small in stature better suited for 2b, which per jed is a loaded position with GG barney, MILB POY watkins, bruno, torreyes(??), and devoss(JH) when we already have baez and lake and haren is gonna get us what? assuming he rebounds from his worst year in xFIP, homers, H per IP, ERA, WAR(more than half of any other full year) and back & shoulder issues so he pitched less than 200 IP………….and we already have to worry about garza being healthy and now the by far worst pen in baseball…… miles. (and no madson or soriano or soria aren’t gonna come to wrigley when the reds-tigers-to name a few contenders are gonna need closers).
    WOW…….in the tradition of marshall-stewart-demp, team theo keeps getting trades wrong plus haren will cost 5.5M more than marmol.(but hey tommyboy can proclaim the payroll will reach 100M again………or at least till july 31st).

    104 yrs and counting…….

    • Lou

      Look, man, I been called out on this website for not liking the Theo plan. But this? Really?

      • Cubs1967

        um…… don’t like facts. or the losing. i’m confused.

        • Ted

          the ellipses

        • Lou

          The facts are Theo is doing what is necessary to trade relievers for what ultimately is prospects to fill holes in the starting lineup, especially when the Angels didn’t need to acquire Marmol for Haren and could have gone after a closer in the open market (if the trade goes through.) The losing, well.

    • Joker

      You know, I may be wrong but I’m starting to think there is no pleasing Cubs1967.

      • Cubs1967

        i liked the rizzo trade; 1 out of 8 ain’t bad. LMAO!!!

      • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

        I agree. I don’t think Jenna Jameson could please him.

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      You have to take the pills every day.

      • Picklenose

        You mean the little blue pills?

  • JoeyCollins

    Brett if this this is a case of Marmol leaking it would the cubs have told him the deal was for Haren?

    • Pat

      Most likely yes. My cousin was traded from the O’s to the Cubs (not the main piece) in the Felix Pie trade and I knew (because he passed it along) all the players involved at least half an hour before it broke anywhere.

      • calicubsfan007

        @Pat: One has to consider that these are two polar opposite regimes though. Hendry was quite an open book. Theo, not so much. That is cool though about the cousin. Talk about getting the info immediately and from a solid source. Not like some of the monkeys that make up the media. Brett, you are the most reliable source and a much better writer than most of these bozos on ESPN.

        • Pat

          It wasn’t Hendry, it was whoever was running the O’s front office at the time (traded from Baltimore to here). Granted it is the ultimately small sample, but if it happens on other clubs it can’t be inconceivable it would happen here.

          • calicubsfan007

            @Pat: My bad on that one. I misread it. That cousin thing is still cool though. And I really respect you because you are the only one who got my “The Jerk” reference! Thank you!

        • Pat

          What’s odd is that I felt like I shouldn’t pass on the info. Didn’t want to maybe get him in trouble. I did post it to the old ACB (now Obtructed View), but left it at Pie was traded to the Orioles.

    • Brett

      Not necessarily. Which is interesting. But that could have been the parameter (the main one) of the deal all along, which is why other media went with the Haren part. The original report said nothing about Haren. It’s just that the timing made it pretty obvious it involved Haren.

      • JoeyCollins

        Kinda what I figured happened just curious how these things work. Side note thanks for all the updates. this time last year I never would have thought id be constantly refreshing a browser for cubs updates in November.

  • die hard

    The Angels had until midnight EDT on Friday to exercise Haren’s $15.5 million option for next season. He had a $3.5 million buyout. The right-hander was 12-13 with a career-worst 4.33 ERA this year and spent time on the disabled list for the first time.

  • CubsFan66

    Brett: Kaplan just gave you a shout out on Sports Night!! He mentioned your timeline of the potention deal! GOOD JOB!!!

    • CubsFan66


    • Joker

      Nice job, Ace!

    • Brett

      What? Seriously?

      • CubsFan66

        Yep, he commented “Brett Taylor over at BleacherNation has a good timeline of the situation”

        Thought you might like to hear that!

        • Brett

          Wow! Yes. Thanks for sharing that. That is all kinds of cool, and I’m not too proud to admit it.

          • whiteflag


        • Kyle

          Mr. Kaplan, if you’re reading this, I’d like for you to know that I think you are a subconsciously racist hack. But thank you for your support of Bleacher Nation. Good luck.

          • Spencer


          • Cyranojoe

            Mr. Kaplan, don’t mind Kyle. He’s one of our resident trolls.

            • Kyle

              It’s not nice to namecall someone just because you disagree with them.

  • North Side Irish

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
    Haren-for-Marmol NOT done. #Angels continue to talk to other clubs. #Cubs asked Marmol about teams on his no-trade and whether he would MORE

    Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal
    agree to trade to #Angels. Again, no deal with #Cubs is complete. Possible, but not complete

  • cubchymyst

    Under Siege 2 comes to mind “Assumptions is the mother of all F*** Ups”

    • cubchymyst

      This is geared towards Marmol assuming he was traded. The fact that Brett has posted so many updates is amazing. Are we closing on an Update record.

  • JoeyCollins

    Can the cubs please do something without all this drama and nonsense.

  • Cubs1967

    dipoto: dan, yes, this is jerry.
    haren: hi jerry.
    dipot: you’ve been traded to chicago.
    haren: great the sox just re-signed peavy.
    dipoto: no, the cubs dan.
    haren: click.

    just sayin………..if ya got a room to rent in lakeview; mr haren might be a good 4 month renter.

  • Turn Two

    Kyle will like this, lets sign greinke, get a big bat for 2 or 3 prospects and suddenly be a contender for playoffs while still keeping the young bulk of the young guys

    • Kyle

      I love the idea, but we don’t even need all that.

      One more reliable starter, one good relief pitcher, one average relief pitcher, and a pretty good CF. That should be enough to give us a real chance.

  • Lou

    Well, I assume Brett just saw the last twitter. CRAP! :(

  • the jackal

    dempster allll over cubs 1967 lovvvvvvvve it

  • dan

    This is hugh this is just the start Dempster is coming and so is youk and hamilton would give us the wild card

    • Turn Two

      If we throw big money at Hamilton and youk after finally getting on the right track,i quit

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    It’s gonna be a fun off-season.

  • die hard

    Angels to eat 3.5 mil or no deal

  • Believe in 2015

    Refresh button, refresh button, why no update 20? Lol

  • North Side Irish

    What is the BN record for updates to one article? The totals were pretty high at the trading deadline, but they also kept spilling into new articles…

    • Brett

      Trying to think of which individual post it would be. The original Dempster Saga post (“traded” to the Braves) made it to 28.

    • Luke

      Can we count the draft? Every pick got a sort of an unofficial update, I think.

      • Brett

        That’s true – I would say that, aside from the trade deadline, the second day of the Draft was the longest continuously-covered single event in the site’s history, I think.

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    What was the record for updates in the Dempster mess?

  • Assman22

    Marmol/Haren deal is a done deal, teams working out the money difference…

    • cubchymyst

      I’m hoping your right again

    • EB

      He’s baaaaack! In Assman we trust!

  • die hard

    From Angels website

    Marmol has a good fastball-slider combination but has struggled with his control at times. The 30-year-old right-hander posted a 3.42 ERA in 55 1/3 innings last year, striking out 72 batters and walking 45 while going 20-for-23 in saves. From 2007-11, he posted a 2.82 ERA and a 1.20 WHIP while averaging 19 saves with 12.7 strikeouts and 5.7 walks per nine innings.