According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.

UPDATE 1 (6:44pm CT): Pujols quotes Marmol as saying (rough translation), “I am very fond of the City of Chicago. It will always be in my heart. Now I look up to the challenge with Anaheim.”

UPDATE 2 (6:46pm CT): Lots of other quotes from Marmol in Pujols’ Twitter stream, all basically saying the same kind of thing – lots of teams interested in me, but the Angels give me a chance to win, I’m excited about it, I love Chicago, etc.

UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

UPDATE 4 (6:49pm CT): I’m still waiting on the particulars of the deal – money, any other players involved, etc. – before reacting. If it’s a straight up swap, with Angels covering the $3.5 million buyout amount, I think it’s decent. Still processing. After a solid first half of 2013 by each, Haren is more flippable for good value than Marmol, so there’s that.

UPDATE 5 (6:53pm CT): Mike DiGiovanna, LA Times writer, says the Angels are “on the verge” of trading Haren for Marmol.

UPDATE 6 (6:56pm CT): Bruce Levine reports it as though it’s a done deal. Carrie Muskat notes that the Cubs aren’t willing to confirm it just yet (finalizing some details?). Jon Heyman also says it’s a done deal (at least the Haren part).

UPDATE 7 (7:01pm CT): Ok, here’s your this-thing-just-happened-10-minutes-ago-but-you-might-want-a-reaction: The best the Cubs could have hoped for in dealing Marmol in a standalone deal is getting a decent, top 20ish in a system prospect if they kicked in $5ish million of his $9.8 million salary. The best the Cubs could have hoped for in acquiring Haren is giving up someone like Junior Lake, and taking on most of the $15.5 million post-option money owed Haren (let’s say $14 million). So, if they were separate deals, it would be the Cubs sending Lake, Marmol, and $5 million for Haren, and a prospect slightly worse than Lake. Unless my math is off because I’m rushing, this looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

UPDATE 8 (7:09pm CT): Dave Kaplan says multiple sources on each side say the deal is not done quite yet. It’s progressing, but there are financial aspects to be worked out. Based on my little exercise in Update 7, I’d think some money is going to the Angels. And I’d think the Commissioner’s Office has to approve, which is why we aren’t getting official confirmation from the teams yet.

UPDATE 9 (7:11pm CT): Should have checked my various communications methods a little earlier – a source tells me the same thing as Kap. Not quite done yet, with some details yet to be worked out. Looking good, though.

UPDATE 10 (7:22pm CT): Still digging, but a source suggests there’s more than just money being haggled (i.e., another player/prospect in the deal – not sure on which side, but I’d have to assume it’s the Cubs sending out a player).

UPDATE 11 (7:33pm CT): Well, Matt Garza is pretty convinced that Haren is coming to the Cubs, with Marmol going to the Angels.

UPDATE 12 (7:43pm CT): Oh my, forgot about this – Marmol has a limited no-trade clause. Alden Gonzalez says he waived it to go to the Angels, so it may have been a total non-issue, but it’s something to remember when evaluating the trade.

UPDATE 13 (7:53pm CT): DiGiovanna got ahold of Haren who says he hasn’t heard from either the Angels or Cubs, but is “assuming it’s done.”

UPDATE 14 (7:58pm CT): You knew this was coming. You knew it. Alden Gonzalez (Angels beat guy for says the reports of a deal are premature, and the Angels are still negotiating with at least one other team. I told you it wasn’t a done deal …

UPDATE 15 (8:03pm CT): The reasonable fear here is that the Cubs contacted Marmol to ask him *if* he would waive his NTC to go to the Angels, he said yes, the Cubs went back to the table, and in the meantime, Marmol told a local reporter. Enter Twitter, asplode head.

UPDATE 16 (8:23pm CT): Well, Marmol spoke to a Dominican radio station moments ago as though it was a done deal. That makes me suspect more strongly that the issue is the Commissioner approval thing or minor other players thing. Seems like if there were still negotiations going on, the Cubs would have gotten ahold of Marmol by now to say, “Dude. Stop.”

UPDATE 17 (8:29pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says the same thing as Gonzalez (not done), and says essentially what I feared was the case – the Cubs asked Marmol if he’d accept a deal to the Angels, and the reporting ball unraveled from there.

UPDATE 18 (8:34pm CT): Really didn’t think this would make it to 18 updates. Dave Kaplan says it’s not done, and the hold-up is the review of financials and medicals.

UPDATE 19 (8:41pm CT): Now this is weird. Rosenthal says the decision is up to Marmol now. Which, I mean, he’s the one who leaked the whole thing, and gave an interview saying he was going to the Angels. So, I mean, if Rosie’s right, what’s the holdup?

UPDATE 20 (8:54pm CT): The original reporter, Yancen Pujols, who spoke to Marmol, is sticking by his story. He’s saying, if my rough translation is accurate, that Marmol told him he’d already waived his NTC.

UPDATE 21 (9:14pm CT): A source tells the AP that the trade has been agreed to by both sides, but is not finalized.

UPDATE 22 (9:16pm CT): Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

UPDATE 23 (9:19pm CT): Source tells me there are no major issues, it’s just a matter of negotiating the finer points. In other words, according to the source, the main components of the deal are agreed to, and aren’t falling through.

UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.

UPDATE 25 (9:25pm CT): Gordon recants in the most authoritative fashion, saying his source tells him “there won’t be a deal.”

UPDATE 26 (9:27pm CT): National media jumping on and saying the deal is off. Rosenthal says Marmol agreed, but then the Cubs pulled the deal. Let’s not jump to conclusions, because we don’t know the whole story. It could be that the money wasn’t settled yet, and the Cubs just couldn’t agree to the Angels’ requests. It could be that Haren’s medicals looked worse than they expected. We’ll probably never know, which is the most frustrating part of all.

UPDATE 27 (9:39pm CT): Bruce Levine, one of many, many to “confirm” a done deal, isn’t quite ready to throw in the towel. He says the deal is not dead, but “unlikely at this point.”

UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

UPDATE 29 (11:11pm CT): It’s all over, people. The Angels just declined Haren’s option (paying him a $3.5 million buyout in the process), and he’s now a free agent. The fact that they had to do that after supposedly being in conversations with teams all night long, coupled with the fact that the Cubs clearly had a deal in place with Marmol and subsequently backed out, tells me it was an issue with Haren’s medicals. The Cubs saw something they didn’t like, or at least that they tried to leverage into a better deal. And the deal fell apart. That’s all she wrote. I feel bad for Haren, whose agent is going to have some serious explaining to do when he tries to solicit a big contract.

  • Tommy

    Haren’s WAR this year was -0.6. Are we being a little premature with our excitement about him? He’s been good in the past, but 2012 was not a great year for him, and he’s not getting any younger. Marmol’s WAR was 0.3 and he finished the second half of the season very strong, and he’s younger than Haren.

    I’m not saying I’m for or against this trade. Just don’t see that it’s as one sided for the Cubs as most everyone else seems to right now.

    • die hard

      bad trade is better than no trade at all..sells seasons tickets which is bottom line…more to come to get fans back..

      • fromthemitten

        diehard ily never change

    • Believe in 2015

      Haren helps the cubs bolster a lack luster starting rotation. The cubs can also flip him at the trade deadline for better prospects than what Marmol would have given the Cubs

    • Kyle

      Baseball-Reference WAR is the wrong tool for this job. It’s descriptive and not predictive. It describes what happened in 2012 when Haren was on the mound, but it’s not very good at predicting what will happen next year.

      When talking about the future, Fangraphs WAR is based no the more-predictive peripherals and is a much more appropriate tool. It had Haren at 1.8 fWAR.

      Even at 1.8 fWAR, Haren is a useful back of the rotation guy.

      But there’s also the fact that it was the worst season of his career by almost 3 WAR, and in general that means he’s expected to bounceback.

      And then there’s the fact that he’s moving back to the NL, where his bat in the past has been worth about 0.5 WAR per season.

      3 wins is probably a good estimate for what you are likely to get out of Haren in 2013.

      • Luke

        Samardzija, Garza, Haren, Wood, and Cabrera would not be a bad rotation to the start the season (though, realistically, Cabrera will be stretched out in Iowa, not Chicago).

  • Cheryl

    Hope Haren is a bwginnin (if it goes through) to improving cubs pitching.

  • koyiehillsucks

    Not sure what to make of this story. Bullpen is the easiest position to fill but with a terrible bullpen, I’m not that excited about losing marmol who was good at the end of the season.

    What really scares me is who will close now??

    • JoeyCollins

      Dolis or committee unless Zych takes it. Or someone different all together.

  • Dan

    Really? Who cares will will close? If the team wins 60 games does it really matter? Seriously this is a GREAT MOVE…They pay 6 million for a starter which they desperately need for a guy who had zero value to them. At the deadline, if they don’t hit and are bad again, they move him for a top 100 prospect. If they do hit and they are contending, you have 3 studs in your rotation…So again, don’t worry about the back end of the pen –

  • cubfanincardinalland

    One of twitters more reliable journalists, Emily Litella, has just reported, “Never mind.”
    And Walter Cronkite and Joseph Pulitzer continue spinning in their graves this evening.
    If by some miracle some reporter could actually report some actual facts, and the deal is done, it is a freaking steal for the Cubs. Marmol for a legit front line starter is ridiculous.

  • Lou

    Well, trade’s off! SH*!!

  • calicubsfan007

    It literally feels like a cheese grater is grinding against my head. Can’t these idiots confirm things before they report things? So far, the most reliable source (besides BN) is the Pujols guy because he actually talked to someone involved in the trade.

  • Shawn

    Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

    Well somebody wake that old coot up before the Angels realize what they have done.

    • Lou

      According to everyone else, trade is NOT HAPPENING.

  • Fastball

    I agree that the home team isn’t getting enough fm LA. If cubs are not getting any financial relief taking on Hares 15M vs Marmos 9.8M I think we need something additional. Im not sold on Harens health and Mario turned himself around Harens went downhill. Why aren’t other GM’s jumping through hoops. LA needs go send another player of cash. Theo needs to force the Angels to fold and or anti up and not blink. Get this done but win the deal.

  • DoubleDown

    Crazy things happening. Why did the Cubs get rid of Ted Lilly who has put up better numbers than Haren, and now are willing to spend more on Haren who does not even figure into future plans. This is Theo the rookie indeed.

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      Not sure where to start on this. Are you accusing Theo of trading Lilly?

      • DoubleDown

        I guess what I mean is I just can’t believe Theo is after Haren. Makes no sense.

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  • Luke

    “UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.”

    Is that a “no deal” as in this is a nonsensical farce of a nothing? Or a “no deal” as in they are waiting to haggle over the last fifty grand before they officially call it a deal?

  • Alex

    Aww. I hate those Cubs beat writers.

  • fromthemitten

    *cracks open a beer while crying*

  • Lou

    Cubs apparently pulled the deal off the table.

    • Kyle

      Haren’s medicals?

      • Lou

        Yep, at least that’s what Arguello over at Cubs Den thinks.

        • Kyle

          Only thing that makes sense.

          This deal was too good to be true otherwise, let alone too good to be pulled off the table by the Cubs.

          • Luke

            Medicals make more sense than anything else I can dream up. I don’t really buy that money could have sunk this one.

  • Tim

    What in the hell is going on

  • Believe in 2015


  • Fastball

    I won’t say he is a fierce negotiator.

  • Brian Peters

    This is ridiculous!!!!! I’m gonna my way to Wrigley, rent a megaphone, and curse Marmol’s f*^*ing behind until he goes back to the DR. So amateurish……

  • calicubsfan007

    Levine says that is a done deal

  • Luke

    Did the Cubs get outbid at the last minute? Angels are on a hard deadline here. They can’t exactly walk away on a whim…

    • Lou

      I think the Cubs took a look at Haren’s medicals and got cold feet. That’s what it seems to me.

      • Luke

        That would require that the Angels have medicals that they did not release until the framework of the deal ready, the Cubs speed read them, and then pulled out based on something new in that package.

        There are a lot of holes in that, but it makes more sense than anything else.

        • Lou

          Well, I can’t say you’re here. Let’s just chalk this up at the mystery of the Marmol trade vol 1.

        • Kyle

          From my very limited understanding of how these things go down, the teams probably verbally talked about each player’s health, and then exchanged actual documents once the deal was agreed on and pending.

          So, it could plausibly be something like the Angels GM saying “Haren’s got a little something in his shoulder but we don’t think it’s a big deal, we’ll send you the MRI” and then the Cubs see the same thing and have a worse interpretation of it.

          • Lou

            Good call.

          • Luke

            Now the question is whether or not the Angels can deal him. If there is something in the meds that scared off the Cubs, it seems reasonable to think that other teams are going to at least be concerned.

            And they have, what, an hour and twenty minutes?

            • Lou

              Yeah, maybe those Angels are just better off buying out his option.

            • DoubleDown

              I really believe that Theo and Co came to their senses at the last minute. This was not a good time to make the decision while under duress. It simply would have been a bad move, and Theo realized it.

  • JB88

    Well that was a colossal waste of time …

  • Brian Peters

    I want some people’s heads on a plate. We’re supposed to be moving away from the bad decisions of the prior FO. Hell, why don’t they just GIVE Marmol to the Angels????

  • Brad

    This is ridiculous. I appreciate the new front office but just get the job done. I think they try to ask to much for deals and wait till the last second and then the deals fall through the rotten bleachers of wrigley. Bullshit. Maybe another team called the cubs interested for a better deal? Who knows

  • calicubsfan007

    Come on, it was that Carrie Muskat who said the deal is off the table. She sucks and is not a very reliable source!

  • Fastball

    Alan we have another botched Dempster negotiation on or hands. Either Theo or Jed don’t know to close business.

  • TonyP

    you have got to be kidding me

  • Jason “Thundermug”

    Why can’t anything be simple with the Cubs. Turning everything into 1st grade math into Advanced Calculus Geez just want something to be nice and simple for a change

  • Richard Nose

    Randall fucking Delgado.

  • cubchymyst

    Damn it