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According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.

UPDATE 1 (6:44pm CT): Pujols quotes Marmol as saying (rough translation), “I am very fond of the City of Chicago. It will always be in my heart. Now I look up to the challenge with Anaheim.”

UPDATE 2 (6:46pm CT): Lots of other quotes from Marmol in Pujols’ Twitter stream, all basically saying the same kind of thing – lots of teams interested in me, but the Angels give me a chance to win, I’m excited about it, I love Chicago, etc.

UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

UPDATE 4 (6:49pm CT): I’m still waiting on the particulars of the deal – money, any other players involved, etc. – before reacting. If it’s a straight up swap, with Angels covering the $3.5 million buyout amount, I think it’s decent. Still processing. After a solid first half of 2013 by each, Haren is more flippable for good value than Marmol, so there’s that.

UPDATE 5 (6:53pm CT): Mike DiGiovanna, LA Times writer, says the Angels are “on the verge” of trading Haren for Marmol.

UPDATE 6 (6:56pm CT): Bruce Levine reports it as though it’s a done deal. Carrie Muskat notes that the Cubs aren’t willing to confirm it just yet (finalizing some details?). Jon Heyman also says it’s a done deal (at least the Haren part).

UPDATE 7 (7:01pm CT): Ok, here’s your this-thing-just-happened-10-minutes-ago-but-you-might-want-a-reaction: The best the Cubs could have hoped for in dealing Marmol in a standalone deal is getting a decent, top 20ish in a system prospect if they kicked in $5ish million of his $9.8 million salary. The best the Cubs could have hoped for in acquiring Haren is giving up someone like Junior Lake, and taking on most of the $15.5 million post-option money owed Haren (let’s say $14 million). So, if they were separate deals, it would be the Cubs sending Lake, Marmol, and $5 million for Haren, and a prospect slightly worse than Lake. Unless my math is off because I’m rushing, this looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

UPDATE 8 (7:09pm CT): Dave Kaplan says multiple sources on each side say the deal is not done quite yet. It’s progressing, but there are financial aspects to be worked out. Based on my little exercise in Update 7, I’d think some money is going to the Angels. And I’d think the Commissioner’s Office has to approve, which is why we aren’t getting official confirmation from the teams yet.

UPDATE 9 (7:11pm CT): Should have checked my various communications methods a little earlier – a source tells me the same thing as Kap. Not quite done yet, with some details yet to be worked out. Looking good, though.

UPDATE 10 (7:22pm CT): Still digging, but a source suggests there’s more than just money being haggled (i.e., another player/prospect in the deal – not sure on which side, but I’d have to assume it’s the Cubs sending out a player).

UPDATE 11 (7:33pm CT): Well, Matt Garza is pretty convinced that Haren is coming to the Cubs, with Marmol going to the Angels.

UPDATE 12 (7:43pm CT): Oh my, forgot about this – Marmol has a limited no-trade clause. Alden Gonzalez says he waived it to go to the Angels, so it may have been a total non-issue, but it’s something to remember when evaluating the trade.

UPDATE 13 (7:53pm CT): DiGiovanna got ahold of Haren who says he hasn’t heard from either the Angels or Cubs, but is “assuming it’s done.”

UPDATE 14 (7:58pm CT): You knew this was coming. You knew it. Alden Gonzalez (Angels beat guy for MLB.com) says the reports of a deal are premature, and the Angels are still negotiating with at least one other team. I told you it wasn’t a done deal …

UPDATE 15 (8:03pm CT): The reasonable fear here is that the Cubs contacted Marmol to ask him *if* he would waive his NTC to go to the Angels, he said yes, the Cubs went back to the table, and in the meantime, Marmol told a local reporter. Enter Twitter, asplode head.

UPDATE 16 (8:23pm CT): Well, Marmol spoke to a Dominican radio station moments ago as though it was a done deal. That makes me suspect more strongly that the issue is the Commissioner approval thing or minor other players thing. Seems like if there were still negotiations going on, the Cubs would have gotten ahold of Marmol by now to say, “Dude. Stop.”

UPDATE 17 (8:29pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says the same thing as Gonzalez (not done), and says essentially what I feared was the case – the Cubs asked Marmol if he’d accept a deal to the Angels, and the reporting ball unraveled from there.

UPDATE 18 (8:34pm CT): Really didn’t think this would make it to 18 updates. Dave Kaplan says it’s not done, and the hold-up is the review of financials and medicals.

UPDATE 19 (8:41pm CT): Now this is weird. Rosenthal says the decision is up to Marmol now. Which, I mean, he’s the one who leaked the whole thing, and gave an interview saying he was going to the Angels. So, I mean, if Rosie’s right, what’s the holdup?

UPDATE 20 (8:54pm CT): The original reporter, Yancen Pujols, who spoke to Marmol, is sticking by his story. He’s saying, if my rough translation is accurate, that Marmol told him he’d already waived his NTC.

UPDATE 21 (9:14pm CT): A source tells the AP that the trade has been agreed to by both sides, but is not finalized.

UPDATE 22 (9:16pm CT): Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

UPDATE 23 (9:19pm CT): Source tells me there are no major issues, it’s just a matter of negotiating the finer points. In other words, according to the source, the main components of the deal are agreed to, and aren’t falling through.

UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.

UPDATE 25 (9:25pm CT): Gordon recants in the most authoritative fashion, saying his source tells him “there won’t be a deal.”

UPDATE 26 (9:27pm CT): National media jumping on and saying the deal is off. Rosenthal says Marmol agreed, but then the Cubs pulled the deal. Let’s not jump to conclusions, because we don’t know the whole story. It could be that the money wasn’t settled yet, and the Cubs just couldn’t agree to the Angels’ requests. It could be that Haren’s medicals looked worse than they expected. We’ll probably never know, which is the most frustrating part of all.

UPDATE 27 (9:39pm CT): Bruce Levine, one of many, many to “confirm” a done deal, isn’t quite ready to throw in the towel. He says the deal is not dead, but “unlikely at this point.”

UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

UPDATE 29 (11:11pm CT): It’s all over, people. The Angels just declined Haren’s option (paying him a $3.5 million buyout in the process), and he’s now a free agent. The fact that they had to do that after supposedly being in conversations with teams all night long, coupled with the fact that the Cubs clearly had a deal in place with Marmol and subsequently backed out, tells me it was an issue with Haren’s medicals. The Cubs saw something they didn’t like, or at least that they tried to leverage into a better deal. And the deal fell apart. That’s all she wrote. I feel bad for Haren, whose agent is going to have some serious explaining to do when he tries to solicit a big contract.

  • http://n/a jtcubsfan44

    Should this post now be in the gods wrath column? Its stuff like this that makes me dislike twitter. I would much rather hear concrete stuff than “source tells me, …” I don’t care if I hear it two hours before its actually completed or not, just so long as it is actually a done deal. I would be happy right now if the Cubs had Randall Delgado and Dan Haren. Garza/Haren/Samardzija/(marcum,random lefty, whoever)/delgado.

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

    At which point Haren’s chances of getting any guaranteed contract next year drop to about zero — and the Cubs may win up with him on a minor league deal.

    • Carne Harris

      Or at least a much reduced one-year prove it deal. If it’s not a medical issue, could be the Angels trying to get more back from the Cubs, and our FO, balls of steel that they have, refusing to cave. If that’s what’s going on, could still see a deal in the next 45 minutes.

      • DoubleDown

        I think the Cubs were low balling to begin with. There was no way they were going to make that trade(Haren). They were just casting out bait for a bigger haul.

  • TonyP

    If it was the medicals, maybe we still trade for him but for a lesser player??????????????????

    • Dr. Percival Cox

      15 mil for damaged goods is still a lot to pay.

      • TonyP

        Good point, didn’t think about that.

  • TonyE

    Valbuena for haren

  • Spencer

    So he’s a free agent if they don’t pick up the option, right?

    • TonyP

      Yes

  • Fastball

    If Harens med chart is wacked to the point nobody wants him why was Theo still in on him yo the 11th hour. I question that. They don’t have the same intel as the other GM’s. is a head scratched

    • Spencer

      The 11th hour is like…now. All of this started before 7:00CT. That’s a lot of time to be interested in a guy, get really close to acquiring him, then find out there’s something medically wrong. Presumably it’s not common knowledge that something is medically wrong with him.

  • calicubsfan007

    As I think someone else said, that would be funny if we still end up with Haren, but through free agency.

  • DarthHater

    Boy, this doing nothing is just so frustrating! I’d feel much better if Theo and Jed would do something really stupid, instead!

    • Spencer

      are you being sarcastic?

      • DarthHater

        Hmmm. How does one answer a question like that? . . .

      • Internet Random

        Yes, that was sarcasm.

  • calicubsfan007

    Swear to God, the sports media is like a bunch of freaking lemmings! If one says something, they all go with that. If one says something else, they ALL GO WITH THAT!

    • Carne Harris

      Now if we could just get Disney to herd them over a cliff.

      • calicubsfan007

        @Carne: Amen to that hombre!

    • Richard Nose

      Industry cred is a thing of the past.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

    45 min to go, and the internet has gone dead silent on Haren deals. Interesting.

    Also, 320+ posts on the Cubs talking about dealing for a bounce back mid-rotation starter? Yikes.

    What’s this place going to be like when the Cubs make their first major signing / trade?

    • Spencer

      well, hopefully it doesn’t drag on for four hours.

    • DarthHater

      What’s this place going to be like when the Cubs make their first major signing / trade?

      They will never make their first major signing/trade, because Theojed’s goal clearly is to destroy the organization forever, extract the last dollar from the desperate grasp of the last Cubs fan, and use it to beat into extinction the last smoldering ember of hope in his heart.

      • DarthHater

        Am I being sarcastic?

        • Spencer

          Have you just started asking yourself questions because you’ve realized your personality makes it so no one else wants to talk to you?

          • Internet Random

            Are you being sarcastic?

            • Spencer

              Hmmm. How does one answer a question like that? . . .

          • DarthHater

            Are you asking this question because the last time you exposed yourself as a clueless imbecile?

            • Spencer

              Yup.

  • fortyonenorth

    Makes you wonder why the Royals opted for Santana. Maybe they considered both and took a pass on DH.

  • Bill

    I’m starting to believe the Cubs are being run by PT Barnum. It’s a freakin’ circus. The Cubs now lead the league in trades leaked to the media before a deal is finalized, only to find out theres no deal. This is getting so ridiculous, it’s reading like a bad comedy. Incredible!

    • DarthHater

      Oh, please.

  • Ogyu

    Okay, guys. You all realize, don’t you, that if Haren becomes a free agent: (a) it’s because there’s something sufficiently wrong with him that he’s not worth having; and (b) even if he was worth having, there’s no way he has any interest in signing with the Cubs?

    • DoubleDown

      I don’t think his interest in playing for the Cubs even comes into play. I don’t think he has a no trade clause. I could be wrong, never looked it up.

      • Ogyu

        I wasn’t talking about a trade. I said if he become a free agent, he isn’t going to be interested in signing with the Cubs.

        • DoubleDown

          Sorry. Yes in that case, I would presume you are correct.

  • notcubbiewubbie

    wow jim hendry gave this guy a no-trade clause too??????? maybe we should wonder who doesn’t have a no-trade clause.

  • ferrets_bueller

    This is just cruel.

  • MichiganGoat

    Crazy crazy crazy crazy I’m can’t even begin to follow all this

    • calicubsfan007

      Hey Michigan Goat, welcome to the party (=

    • Spencer

      i do not think so.

      • Spencer

        whoops i replied to the wrong comment of yours.

  • MichiganGoat

    So I left my house for a four hour journey and see the good news and now I arrive and see 20+ updates and heartbreak…. Great work Brett this is why BN is the best, we can watch the ups and downs of these deadline deals. I think Tidrow needs to get called and fix this now!

  • TonyP

    Wittenmyer looks like a totally dip shit with his Tweet.

    • DoubleDown

      Do you have a link? Have not seen it.

      • TonyP

        Update 3 in the article

        • DoubleDown

          TY. Sometimes I just skim through quickly.

          • TonyP

            I said something snarky to GW about getting better sources, and he replied back and defended himself. ._.

  • Lou

    BTW, Zych is on the roster for the AFL game tomorrow night on MLB network.

  • the jackal

    lol i love the media why nt wait ill its official ….. i mean u look like asses when it doesnt happen .. why say it at all judt to be first reporter with the news lol

    • Chase S.

      The worst part about that it that it makes the FO look equally bad, whether the blame is deserved or not.

      • Chase S.

        I ain’t got good English

      • Internet Random

        Not to me.

      • DarthHater

        If the blame is not deserved, then they would only look bad to morons.

        • Chase S.

          Well for one allowing this to leak prematurely (they could’ve lassoed Marmol before he want public) but, like I said, I’m not putting blame on them, it’s this new instant “reporting” that’s making themselves look foolish. It’s almost like posting any and all possibilities of a deal then deleting the ones that don’t happen just so you can be the first to report it.

      • hansman1982

        What did the front office do?

        • DarthHater

          They went and existed again. The diabolical jerks!

          • Chase S.

            Like I said, I’m not putting anything on the FO for what happened all I’m saying is that it’s frustrating when the media does this and makes this whole thing look like a practical joke gone bad or something.

  • MichiganGoat

    Is this the all time record for comments

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Not close. We pushed 700 on draft night.

  • http://Bleachernation.com Ramy16

    I am glad the Cubs pulled back.. With a broken down Haren and the money we’ll have to pay no way! There has to be better options than Haren.. Dallas Braden, Scott Feldman etc

    • DoubleDown

      Absolutely. Again, I say Theo and Jed pulled back the reigns and said whoa. This is not in our best interest no matter how some fans might want Marmol gone.

  • TonyP

    Brett- thanks for making a boring evening a little more exciting. As always great coverage, it’s what makes this the best Cubs site. Hopefully everything works out the best in the end, sometimes the best trades are the ones that aren’t made as they say.

  • Failblog.org

    can we just give them marmol anyway….?

    • Spencer

      Trout.

      • DarthHater

        That reminds me, I have to finish my project of compiling an entire roster of MLB players with fish names . . .

        • Chase S.

          3 that I can think of have all played for the Angels (if you want to count Haren, it’s close enough to me).

          • DarthHater

            So far, I’ve got:

            Art Herring – P
            Harry Eells – P
            Marlin Stuart – P
            Steve Trout – P

            Lip Pike – CF, 2B, SS
            Mike Carp – 1B, LF
            Mike Trout – CF
            Chico Salmon – 2B, SS, 1B
            Tim Salmon – RF
            Kevin Bass – RF
            Bobby Sturgeon – SS, 2B
            George Haddock – OF

            • Chase S.

              “Catfish” Hunter, Chester Guppy, Sid Bream

              • DarthHater

                Guppy and Bream are okay, but not Catfish. No nicknames, only genuine fish names. :-D

                • Chase S.

                  Fair enough. I’m not sure Guppy even qualifies either as I don’t think he even made it to the majors. I remember reading about him in some bleacher report deal (yes, I admit my shortcomings, I used to read the BR)

        • Carne Harris

          I like to think of you wringing your hands as you said that.

          • DarthHater

            Bwahahaha

    • DoubleDown

      Come on man. He is not that bad. Give him away?

  • Turn Two

    Alright 11 o clock has come and gone, time to move on. Thanks for all the updates brett, this would have been aneven more confusing night without them.

  • DarthHater

    News Flash: Haren to Cubs trade was vetoed by Ryan Dempster.

    • DoubleDown

      Actually, I think Dempster and Haren are friends.

  • DarthHater

    Angels have declined the option on Haren. I just read it on Twitter, so I know it must be true!

  • Dr. Percival Cox

    If we have priests perform an exorcism on Wrigley again will this stuff stop happening?

  • tjtrigo

    Good news is that the Cubs can sign him with a one year +option year for $11M and flip him at the trade deadline

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      So can every other team. Also, if they didn’t like his medicals, why would they sign him now?

      • Spencer

        I agree it’s unlikely. But, maybe they wouldn’t care as much now since the price tag would likely be lower and they don’t have to part with a player. All this is probably moot, though, because of the point you just made, along with the fact I doubt Haren really wants to play for the Cubs.

    • DoubleDown

      I just can’t get over it. Is it me or just that this is the way baseball contracts will be from now on. Why did we get rid of Paul Maholm when he could have been a flip for less money?

  • Spencer

    I bet Marmol’s agent is annoyed as well.

    • Spencer

      And I would like to know who told Marmol the information that he was traded.

      • Dr. Percival Cox

        Almost certainly came from the FO asking him to waive his NTC. Seriously, how many times do medicals scuttle a trade? Something went very wrong.

        • Spencer

          If that’s the case…I’m not sure how I feel. I guess I would prefer that a NTC be the FINAL hurdle in a trade and for everyone to make sure that everything else is in order first, before going to the player and asking him to waive.

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