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According to Yancen Pujols of the Caribbean, a Dominican media outlet, Carlos Marmol says he’s been traded to the Angels. Given the timing, if it’s true, it seems like Dan Haren will be involved.

Obviously I’ll have many updates as soon as possible.

UPDATE 1 (6:44pm CT): Pujols quotes Marmol as saying (rough translation), “I am very fond of the City of Chicago. It will always be in my heart. Now I look up to the challenge with Anaheim.”

UPDATE 2 (6:46pm CT): Lots of other quotes from Marmol in Pujols’ Twitter stream, all basically saying the same kind of thing – lots of teams interested in me, but the Angels give me a chance to win, I’m excited about it, I love Chicago, etc.

UPDATE 3 (6:47pm CT): Gordon Wittenmyer says a Cubs source has confirmed that Marmol has been traded to the Angels for Haren.

UPDATE 4 (6:49pm CT): I’m still waiting on the particulars of the deal – money, any other players involved, etc. – before reacting. If it’s a straight up swap, with Angels covering the $3.5 million buyout amount, I think it’s decent. Still processing. After a solid first half of 2013 by each, Haren is more flippable for good value than Marmol, so there’s that.

UPDATE 5 (6:53pm CT): Mike DiGiovanna, LA Times writer, says the Angels are “on the verge” of trading Haren for Marmol.

UPDATE 6 (6:56pm CT): Bruce Levine reports it as though it’s a done deal. Carrie Muskat notes that the Cubs aren’t willing to confirm it just yet (finalizing some details?). Jon Heyman also says it’s a done deal (at least the Haren part).

UPDATE 7 (7:01pm CT): Ok, here’s your this-thing-just-happened-10-minutes-ago-but-you-might-want-a-reaction: The best the Cubs could have hoped for in dealing Marmol in a standalone deal is getting a decent, top 20ish in a system prospect if they kicked in $5ish million of his $9.8 million salary. The best the Cubs could have hoped for in acquiring Haren is giving up someone like Junior Lake, and taking on most of the $15.5 million post-option money owed Haren (let’s say $14 million). So, if they were separate deals, it would be the Cubs sending Lake, Marmol, and $5 million for Haren, and a prospect slightly worse than Lake. Unless my math is off because I’m rushing, this looks like a great deal for the Cubs.

UPDATE 8 (7:09pm CT): Dave Kaplan says multiple sources on each side say the deal is not done quite yet. It’s progressing, but there are financial aspects to be worked out. Based on my little exercise in Update 7, I’d think some money is going to the Angels. And I’d think the Commissioner’s Office has to approve, which is why we aren’t getting official confirmation from the teams yet.

UPDATE 9 (7:11pm CT): Should have checked my various communications methods a little earlier – a source tells me the same thing as Kap. Not quite done yet, with some details yet to be worked out. Looking good, though.

UPDATE 10 (7:22pm CT): Still digging, but a source suggests there’s more than just money being haggled (i.e., another player/prospect in the deal – not sure on which side, but I’d have to assume it’s the Cubs sending out a player).

UPDATE 11 (7:33pm CT): Well, Matt Garza is pretty convinced that Haren is coming to the Cubs, with Marmol going to the Angels.

UPDATE 12 (7:43pm CT): Oh my, forgot about this – Marmol has a limited no-trade clause. Alden Gonzalez says he waived it to go to the Angels, so it may have been a total non-issue, but it’s something to remember when evaluating the trade.

UPDATE 13 (7:53pm CT): DiGiovanna got ahold of Haren who says he hasn’t heard from either the Angels or Cubs, but is “assuming it’s done.”

UPDATE 14 (7:58pm CT): You knew this was coming. You knew it. Alden Gonzalez (Angels beat guy for MLB.com) says the reports of a deal are premature, and the Angels are still negotiating with at least one other team. I told you it wasn’t a done deal …

UPDATE 15 (8:03pm CT): The reasonable fear here is that the Cubs contacted Marmol to ask him *if* he would waive his NTC to go to the Angels, he said yes, the Cubs went back to the table, and in the meantime, Marmol told a local reporter. Enter Twitter, asplode head.

UPDATE 16 (8:23pm CT): Well, Marmol spoke to a Dominican radio station moments ago as though it was a done deal. That makes me suspect more strongly that the issue is the Commissioner approval thing or minor other players thing. Seems like if there were still negotiations going on, the Cubs would have gotten ahold of Marmol by now to say, “Dude. Stop.”

UPDATE 17 (8:29pm CT): Ken Rosenthal says the same thing as Gonzalez (not done), and says essentially what I feared was the case – the Cubs asked Marmol if he’d accept a deal to the Angels, and the reporting ball unraveled from there.

UPDATE 18 (8:34pm CT): Really didn’t think this would make it to 18 updates. Dave Kaplan says it’s not done, and the hold-up is the review of financials and medicals.

UPDATE 19 (8:41pm CT): Now this is weird. Rosenthal says the decision is up to Marmol now. Which, I mean, he’s the one who leaked the whole thing, and gave an interview saying he was going to the Angels. So, I mean, if Rosie’s right, what’s the holdup?

UPDATE 20 (8:54pm CT): The original reporter, Yancen Pujols, who spoke to Marmol, is sticking by his story. He’s saying, if my rough translation is accurate, that Marmol told him he’d already waived his NTC.

UPDATE 21 (9:14pm CT): A source tells the AP that the trade has been agreed to by both sides, but is not finalized.

UPDATE 22 (9:16pm CT): Gordon is sticking by his story, and has a source that insists Marmol has signed off on the deal. All this fretting might be for nothing – we might simply be waiting for Commission sign-off, which is a formality. Or, we’re waiting on some horrible disaster to arise. You know, whichever.

UPDATE 23 (9:19pm CT): Source tells me there are no major issues, it’s just a matter of negotiating the finer points. In other words, according to the source, the main components of the deal are agreed to, and aren’t falling through.

UPDATE 24 (9:21pm CT): And then in unison, all the beat writers in Chicago tweet essentially the same thing: a Cubs source says there is no deal.

UPDATE 25 (9:25pm CT): Gordon recants in the most authoritative fashion, saying his source tells him “there won’t be a deal.”

UPDATE 26 (9:27pm CT): National media jumping on and saying the deal is off. Rosenthal says Marmol agreed, but then the Cubs pulled the deal. Let’s not jump to conclusions, because we don’t know the whole story. It could be that the money wasn’t settled yet, and the Cubs just couldn’t agree to the Angels’ requests. It could be that Haren’s medicals looked worse than they expected. We’ll probably never know, which is the most frustrating part of all.

UPDATE 27 (9:39pm CT): Bruce Levine, one of many, many to “confirm” a done deal, isn’t quite ready to throw in the towel. He says the deal is not dead, but “unlikely at this point.”

UPDATE 28 (10:00pm CT): We’re one hour from the option deadline for Haren. It occurs to me that if the Angels don’t end up trading him, and just decline the option in an hour, that’s pretty good evidence that Haren’s medicals were the issue. If there were multiple suitors – and by all accounts, there were – and the Angels were motivated to move him. If they bail completely from that plan, it’s because they couldn’t move him.

UPDATE 29 (11:11pm CT): It’s all over, people. The Angels just declined Haren’s option (paying him a $3.5 million buyout in the process), and he’s now a free agent. The fact that they had to do that after supposedly being in conversations with teams all night long, coupled with the fact that the Cubs clearly had a deal in place with Marmol and subsequently backed out, tells me it was an issue with Haren’s medicals. The Cubs saw something they didn’t like, or at least that they tried to leverage into a better deal. And the deal fell apart. That’s all she wrote. I feel bad for Haren, whose agent is going to have some serious explaining to do when he tries to solicit a big contract.

  • Bill

    These kind of reports happen to all other teams, all the time. Umm, I guess they don’t and yet the Cubs have managed to pull it off twice in a few months. Wonderful.

    • Lou Cub

      Bill, both instances were not on the Cubs brass but rather the Cubs players themselves who had no trade clauses and openly discussed their situations with the media….I’ll blame Hendry for that because he gave Marmol the NTC and Demp automatically had one with being a 10 and 5 guy

      • Bill

        Lou,

        You’re write, but there still seems to be a little sloppiness. I don’t like NTC and hope Hendry won’t include them in future contracts. In this latest situtation wouldn’t have it been prudent to tell Marmol to keep it quiet because they didn’t have medical clearance and some financial things still needed to be worked out. Just keep a hush on it for 24 hours. The reason I say it would have been prudent because they already got burnt in the Dempster deal, so they had the benefit of learning from history. Now, maybe they did tell Marmol to keep it quiet, then it’s his fault. If they didn’t then it’s a strike against Theo.

        • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

          This deal didn’t fall apart because the media found out about it. Very few trades ever do. Trades aren’t delicate Faberge eggs that break if you breath on them too hard.

          Everything I have read seems to indicate the Cubs pulled the rug out from under the trade and now that Haren’s option has been declined it’s for the best. While more money may have to be committed it allows us to use Marmol in a different trade and still acquire Haren.

          While probably insignificant, this may have increased Marmol’s trade value just ever so slightly.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            While probably insignificant, this may have increased Marmol’s trade value just ever so slightly.

            Given that it was rumored (correctly!) that the Angels would decline Haren’s option if they could not trade him, I am really surprised that the Cubs offered so much for him. Brett’s idea seems to be the most likely and most probable: some medical issue has effectively scared both the Angels and the Cubs (and possibly other teams) away from Haren.

            And I agree completely with Hansman1982: the media reporting on the trade would have had zilch effect. Why would either the Cubs or Angels care? The Angels already made it public knowledge that they were practically giving Haren away as it was.

  • brad

    Personally, I think it would be nice to see Upton signed to a possibly a 3 year contract with options for 4 and 5th year, Marcum 1-2 year deal, get him to Maholm status swap him out to a contender for prospects. We could take a chance on Liriano this guy was a stud, fix his mechanics get him back to what he should have been. Garza, Shark, Lirano, Marcum, Wood. Would not be that bad of a starting 5.

    Honestly guys, we wont be contending or even beginning to think about that until Sori’s gone. He isn’t that bad for his age and nice veteran presence, but I would like to move him while the iron’s hot and we can net something in return to bolster our rotation/offense for the future. CUBS WORLD CHAMPS 2015!

  • ISU Birds

    I’m beginning to think this Theo guy doesn’t know what the he’ll is going on?

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Because the Cubs, like 28 other teams, chose not to trade for Haren?

      • ISU Birds

        Bc every trade since he has been here has been a mess and only like 5% of them even go through.

        • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

          The only other trade that was a mess was Dempster and I wouldn’t call this one a mess, just a trade that almost went through.

          Also, only about 5% of all trades/trade discussions go through with every team.

      • Kyle

        Exactly.

        Santana, the worst starting pitcher in MLB by WAR last season, drew a trade on an effective 1/12 deal, but Haren didn’t at the same exact cost to potential trade partners?

        The only logical explanation is that Haren’s left arm is not currently attached to his torso.

      • DoubleDown

        I think a move on Haren would have been terrible. I don’t know how close Theo was to pulling the trigger on the trade, if it ever existed in the first place. But I am cnfident it would have been a dud.

    • DoubleDown

      You guys didn’t fare well, did ya?

  • brad

    OR I wouldn’t think it would be crazy to have Soriano and James Shields in a deal….multiple pieces/salary to rays, who knows! I love trade rumors, I’m trying to not be dissapointed, it wasn’t verlander, it was haren, REPEAT.

  • tjtrigo

    Brett… It sure was an exciting evening. Thanks for all of the hard work tonight and making BN such a big part of our Cubs obsession.

    • Caleb

      Yup.

  • daveyrosello

    If it’s medicals with Haren–and that wouldn’t be a big surprise with him–then I don’t know how anyone can fault Theo and Jed here for pulling back and getting cold feet. They got burned with damaged goods once (Stewart), I’d think they’re pretty gun shy about another medical question mark case at $15MM/year. Good for them.

    • brad

      I personally think they should sign Ankiel for their 5th starter, just for fun. Talk about a diamond in the ruff and trade bait LOL

  • ripitrizzo82

    I don’t care how smart anyone is. You can’t promise things for the future. You can only say you will try. That’s all theo and Jed have said. So take a deep breath, relaxe and enjoy the ride.

    • DoubleDown

      Isn’t what Jim Hendry said?

    • ISU Birds

      I’m not going to enjoy any ride if something doesn’t happen and they make sure the Cubs aren’t the laughing stock of the MLB.

  • ripitrizzo82

    They didn’t get where there at for no reason. T n j I mean. From the get go its been a b patient let’s build something. Everyones to quick to critize. If anything being a cubs fan should teach u the utmost patience

    • ISU Birds

      Maybe we’re tired if being patient and want to see some f’ing results on the field. I get building a team but 100+ loses for a team with the resources the Cubs have is inexcusable.

      • Caleb

        Cyclone fans…

  • ripitrizzo82

    So they should spend a bunch of money right now. Good idea. Let’s get in a big hole like they did with sori and demp. I don’t think 32 year old harren was guna make the team contend next year.

    • Kyle

      I can understand thinking Soriano is a hole, although I think that the badness of his contract is frequently overstated.

      But now Dempster’s was a problem?

      • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

        Well, ya, he seemed to be an asshole before he left so now he is the biggest pile of derp EVER!

        Dempster was 2 highly underrated moves by Hendry rolled into one person that was ruined by 1 week last July. Heck, at the time I hated on him but he was a fantastic player for the Cubs for quite some time.

    • DoubleDown

      Correct. He would not have made a difference. That’s why I say Theo came to his senses.(Did Theo actually slapped by Tom Rick?)

  • ripitrizzo82

    They said they would be ready to contend by 13 14 not tom. If they wanted someone like harren y get rid of demp. And ia st sucks just for shits and giggles. Hawkeyes fan myslelf.

  • ripitrizzo82

    Cubs couldA been a 110 loss team w out soris bat and glove. The latter is hard to admit.

    • DoubleDown

      No doubt.

  • DoubleDown

    Lot of things don’t make sense. Dave Ortiz signs 2 year/26 mil deal. Explain that one.

  • Eric

    Yeah either Haren’s health is so bad his MLB career is over, or he has some rebound left in him, in which case no one will sign him to a large contract now. His only option is pretty much a 1 year prove it deal. In that case the Cubs are the perfect team. However I don’t want them to sign him if they think he is so injured that he won’t be effective.

  • Njriv

    Now onto Josh Johnson!

    • calicubsfan007

      @Njriv: Hear hear! Maybe we can give them Marmol for Johnson?

      • Njriv

        Maybe Marmol and someone like Lake, that wouldn’t bother me.

  • ripitrizzo82

    Just proves if you like and respect the ones you r working for, and they respect you back your production is going to be at its peak. Hippieish as it sounds

  • Todd

    Admittedly, I jumped the gun earlier and started to get down on the FO for not putting this deal together. Haren becoming a FA has reaffirmed my belief in Theo/Jed to make the right decision. It’s amazing how the obsessive roller coaster unfolds, but I’m more impressed now with the FO than I was this morning … If I have spelling or grammatical errors, it’s because I’m buzzed now :)

  • ripitrizzo82

    Todd u couldn’t have said it better myself

  • Bill

    IF the Angels know that Haren is hurt and still tried to trade him, is that something that is accepted by the Commish office? Haven’t the Angels given him a physical or checked his health? I know other GM’s would be hesitant to deal with the Angels if they were making this trade in bad faith. So, I guess I’m still baffled as to what the Cubs doctors saw (if they did since that is just speculation) that the Angels doctors didn’t. Can the team request to see his medical records before finalizing the deal? I guess my point is, if possible, wouldnt it have been better to look at the medical records before asking for Marmol’s permission to be traded?

    Did the FO tell Marmol that the trade wasn’t official yet until the Cub doctors had looked at Haren’s record? If the trade had been approved wouldn’t Haren have still passed a physical? Is this physical done by the Cub doctors or is this something by MLB? Would they have been able to back out of the trade based on the physical (people are speculating they backed out because of his health)?

    I know it’s difficult, if not impossible, to answer these questions since we are talking about confidential information, but to be perfectly honest I have a lot more questions by how this went down.

    • calicubsfan007

      @Bill: There are people who just want to screw other people over. I don’t want to think that the Angels FO are one of those people, but it really looks like they were desperate to just get rid of Haren no matter what.

      • Bill

        cali,

        You may be correct, but then the Angels have the dumbest FO in MLB. Let’s say the Cubs make the trade and find out later Haren is hurt. Theo is going to be ticked. He may or not trash the Angels in public, he will certainly spread the word among the rest of the GM’s. NO team is going to want to deal with the Angels in the future because you won’t be able to trust them on the health of their players. Is Marmol worth risking your FO reputation?

        I guess I’m curious how the Cubs came to the conclusion at the 11th hour that Haren wasn’t who they wanted. Did they get his medical records and find something that didn’t seem to concern the Angels as much? Did they talk to Haren and he tell them something that concerned them? Lots and lots of questions.

        • http://casualcubsfan.blogger.com hansman1982

          That is why teams are allowed to conduct physicals before the deal completes. In the event something is found they can back out. I am guessing everything was disclosed, most teams aren’t going to want to risk being labelled a crook in such a small industry.

  • calicubsfan007

    Initially, I was pissed. Not so much at the FO as the stupid sports media (excluding BN). This is the second time they screwed with us. Although I am saddened that we didn’t get Haren, I am glad that we didn’t get stuck with a broken down arm. I want to trade Marmol for Rendon. The guy is stuck behind Zimmerman. It is plausible.

  • http://www.fantasybaseballinsiders.com Nick Kappel

    You do great work, Brett. Thanks for these updates.

  • Leo

    This is nuts. Dempster should be on the Braves, and Marmol should be on the Angels (sorry for this random drunk post…. but i gotta make it happen…). Thanks Brett for all the updates: true committment, I saw on the bottom line of ESPN tonight while I was out that Marmol got ‘traded;, but Im glad to make it home to see what seemed to have really gone down. BN: always my go-to source…….

  • http://Eyecanseeinc.net LeotheCub

    Yes thanks for your hard work on this site. I enjoy your insight and many of the comments.

  • Fastball

    Maybe Haren told the Angels and Cubs he had no interest in playing for the Cubs. Maybe decided hw would rather be a FA and renegotiate with the Angels. He had publicly stated he did not want to play for anyone else. I think Haren said he was not going to play for the Cubs because they suck and he is already with a winner and is now willing to give home town discount vs being traded to the Cubs. He may have told Theo he wouldn’t report to the Cubs so he could be a rental player. These scenarios seem more likely than Haren having a major medical issue. I doubt that is the case or that the Angels would be trying trick f*ck the Cubs or any other team. I think the Cubs FO needs to tighten up its communications. Loose Lips Sink Ships. This is a recurring theme. One more occurrence like this one and the Dumpster saga is reason for somebody in the FO to be de-throned. Maybe Jed is a dumb shit who can’t be a GM.

    • fortyonenorth

      Loose Lips Sink Ships.

      After the Dempster fiasco, you would think that a simple, “Hey Carlos, keep this under your hat until we finish the deal.” would be in order. Maybe it was lost in translation.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      That doesn’t happen. Players are traded all the time, and they know they have a ton to lose if they say they just won’t show up. You think if it was that easy to scuttle a deal that players wouldn’t be doing that all the time? What good is a no-trade clause if players can just say they won’t show up, even if they don’t have a no-trade clause?

      I appreciate you thinking outside the box, but, no, that scenario does not seem likely at all.

      You have to keep in mind: a medical issue isn’t always black and white. Something that might scare one team off wouldn’t scare another team off. It isn’t always that a guy is “broken.” Sometimes it’s just a little something that spooks you enough to pull the plug, while it wouldn’t scare another team at all.

  • 5412

    Hi,

    I think we are all “supposing” which means either an intuitive feel or perhaps an educated guess. Much like the Dempster issue with the Braves, maybe Haren dug in and said he did not want to come to the Cubs. Theo would be smart pulling the deal off the table under those circumstances.

    Maybe the Angels were filling Theo some BS about other teams and Theo offering Marmol was way out of proportion with other teams. Theo then pulls the deal off, goes after Haren as a FA and still has Marmol to trade.

    Personally, Marmol is decent and healthy; why trade him for a broken bat? He should fetch a more serviceable player in return.

    As this plays out, we will find out soon enough.

    regards,
    5412

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  • Joepoe123

    Maybe the front office decided that instead of giving up marmot and cash for haren they could just sign him to a contract without having to give up anything

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