So, the Marlins (Reportedly) Just Traded Everyone to the Blue Jays

In a trade that will be discussed at length in the coming days in baseball circles (and, given its scope, probably around here, too), according to multiple reports, the Marlins just sent everyone – I don’t use that hyperbole lightly – to the Blue Jays for a variety of prospects, and a whole lot of salary relief.

The damage:

The Blue Jays get Josh Johnson, Mark Buehrle, Jose Reyes, John Buck, and Emilio Bonifacio. They also get a modest $4 million in cash tossed in.

The Marlins get Yunel Escobar, Adeiny Hechavarria, Justin Nicolino (a nice pitching prospect), Henderson Alvarez, probably Jake Marisnick (a very nice outfield prospect), Anthony DeScalfini (another nice pitching prospect), and Jeff Mathis.

The money aspect is being sorted out, but you can expect that the Blue Jays are taking on most of the salary, given the prospect return (which is good, but not great). The Marlins clearly just wanted out from underneath the contracts of Buehrle and Reyes … they guys they signed last Winter. (Recall, they’ve already dumped Heath Bell.)

The implications of the deal for the Cubs are relatively simple: the deal takes the Blue Jays out of the trade market for a starting pitcher (like Matt Garza, for example), but it also takes them out of the market for middle tier free agent starting pitchers, which they’d been rumored to be pursuing. All in all, it’s a slight net win for the Cubs, but obviously a very small one.

The implications for MLB, obviously, are much greater. The immediate reaction has been, in large part: shame on the Marlins. They baited taxpayers into paying for a luxurious new stadium, bought a bunch of free agents on back-loaded deals that everyone knew they would eventually dump, couldn’t fill the stadium, and in just one year, indeed did the dumping. Because the stadium deal for Miami had already looked ugly, I don’t think it will be used as additional ammo against publicly-financed renovations to Wrigley Field (more than it would have been already, I mean). But it doesn’t help.

UPDATE: I should add that this deal hasn’t been confirmed by the teams yet, though (all jokes aside) it seems like a done deal … pending MLB’s reaction. I have a hard time seeing MLB shoot down a trade in the best interests of baseball, but this might come close, given the negative near-term impact it could have in Miami.

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

232 responses to “So, the Marlins (Reportedly) Just Traded Everyone to the Blue Jays”

  1. Spencer

    The Marlins owners should be ashamed. Ridiculous. MLB.com has Hechavarria, Nicolino, and Marisnick in the Blue Jays’ top 7. Marisnick is 35th overall.

    1. MichiganGoat

      Yup but they do have those two rings… #sarcasm but I wonder if I’d rather have this over what I lived through as a Cub fan #stillsarcasm

    2. josh

      dont use mlb.com for prospect rankings, there pretty bad for the most part. marisnick and nicolino are top 100 prospects and hechavarria is a good defensive infielder whose bat will decide if hes a starter or not.

  2. Rice Cube

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

    Figured this was appropriate.

    1. cjdubbya

      That was beautiful, man

  3. MichiganGoat

    The Marlins are amazing that they pulled of a third fire sale in their short existence and have two WS rings. If they win another WS in the next five years their business model will be the new model for success while continuing to defy logic.

    1. Spencer

      and screwing their fans and everyone that they duped into their whole new “rebranding” thing they did last offseason in the process.

      1. MichiganGoat

        I forgot the sarcasm tag

      2. King Jeff

        This is not going to go over well in Miami. After they duped the county into paying for a new stadium behind promises of higher payroll, I’m not sure how much support they are going to have left here.

  4. Spencer

    Stanton HAS to be available, right?

    1. King Jeff

      Not until he goes to arbitration. They are extremely cheap, only a little stupid.

    2. bbmoney

      No way. They traded the guys they did because they were expensive.

  5. North Side Irish

    Giancarlo Stanton ‏@Giancarlo818 Alright, I’m pissed off!!! Plain & Simple

    I know I posted this on the other feed, but it’s kind of awesome. Still waiting for LoMo to weigh in…

  6. cdncubfan

    The perspective from Canada is this…

    Jays fans seem to love it. Our national sports broadcaster TSN is asleep at the wheel and doesn’t seem to have much detail to share. Not more than Morosi or Rosenthal, at least.

    It’s a bad deal for patient Jays fans but it’s been so bad for so long up here that the majority wanted a quick fix after so many failed quick fixes. It’s almost comical to watch. Adding such a huge amount of age and payroll (and uncertainty in Johnson’s case) for some of the better young pieces assembled over the last five years is a huge mistake. They seem to have forgotten that the landscape has changed. They can’t just pour money into scouting and into the draft anymore.

    This will be a huge mistake in Toronto and AA will lose his job over it next year when the Orioles and Yankees are better than the Jays.

  7. AG

    Will they get rid of Giancarlo??? Cubs should inquire…

  8. josh

    the blue jays were one of the teams who have liked matt garza for awhile. i was hoping in the back of my mind that the cubs could trade him there once proven healthy, so this is kind of bad news for the cubs on that front

  9. Spencer
    1. MichiganGoat

      Two deadspin link in one day, RECORD DAY

  10. Austin

    Marlns are easily in contention for worst-run franchise in all professional sports. Probably the front runner. Pathetic organization.

    1. MichiganGoat

      Except they have two rings, HEAD EXPLODE

  11. Coldneck

    Castro and Vitters for Stanton? Move Barney to SS.

    1. MichiganGoat

      No to Castro

    2. Coldneck

      I’m not sure I’d pull the trigger on it since Stanton doesn’t play a premium position. But his bat, at 23 years old, is pretty damn good. He and Rizzo would make one hell of a righty lefty combo in the 3 and 4 spots. It’s definitely something I’d consider.

      1. bbmoney

        Why would you want to trade Castro?

        Why in the heck does anyone want to trade Castro? Isn’t his bat/glove combo pretty good at 22? if you’re talking about Stanton at 23.

        1. ssckelley

          Considering the minor league talent the Cubs have at shortstop if the Cubs could land a Stanton type player for Castro I would be all over it. But if the Cubs were going to trade Castro it will not be for Stanton, the Marlins just got 2 young shortstops from the Blue Jays.

  12. cjdubbya

    Holy God. Marlins have one arbitration-eligible player on their roster currently. Barring any other trades (who the F do they even have to trade besides Stanton) / FA signings (who the F is going to want to sign there, knowing they’re getting dumped somewhere else in a year or two?), Miami’s going to enter 2013 with a payroll of about $17 million.

    Just let that sink in for a minute.

    1. cjdubbya

      Just checked, and the 2012 Astros ended up just over $60M.

  13. João Lucas

    How funny would it be if it were the Dodgers instead of the Blue Jays?

    1. MichiganGoat

      I’m sure they were in the discussion

  14. MikeCubs

    Makes you wonder what the Cubs could have worked out with the Marlins, given their large market budget. While I’m not crazy about this set of players, Johnson would be a top of the rotation option, and Buerhle would be a good mid-rotation/flippable asset + cash option to help replenish the prospects we would have had to give up. Heck, there are worse options than Reyes at 3rd (or 2nd) for the next year or 2 (agree we’d need to eat some cash at the end of his deal). Buck at $6M is tough to swallow, but we should have deep pockets. Would a deal centered around Barney/Jackson/Baez/ have gotten this done with the Cubs taking on 100% of the contracts? We’d have a pretty sweet rotation, that’s for sure!

    1. Tim

      no way theo and jed would have done that deal. no way no way no way

    2. terencemann

      I think the important thing is that the Jays were able to line-up these players who fit nicely into their established team. The Jays are set at first, third, and in the outfield. Arencibia isn’t the best catcher but Travis D’Arnaud should be up soon. They needed help in the rotation, at short, and the other players fill in nicely as backups or players they can flip. In any case, the price for a nearly TOR pitcher, elite shortstop, mid-rotation pitcher, and slightly above average utility player has never been smaller. The prospects the Jays sent are decent but won’t be worth what they acquired.

  15. cjdubbya

    Wondering if this kickstarts discussions about setting up a salary floor in MLB…

    1. terencemann

      I wouldn’t be surprised if this isn’t brought up in the next CBA. Maybe instead of a single season floor they establish that teams have to meet a minimum average salary over a 3 year period. That seems more fair to me.

  16. Mike Taylor

    Miami will need more, cheaper pieces. I’d definitely inquire on Stanton. As per his twitter post, he can’t be happy. Maybe he doesn’t perform well next year.

  17. the jackal

    hell yes go for stanton hes young and a good hitter but hell no not for castro

  18. North Side Irish

    Not real trade idea: Cubs get Stanton and pay the Marlins entire $17M payroll.

    1. cjdubbya

      Sadly, I think that Loria would be on board with that.

  19. Dustin S

    I think if it were any team other than Toronto mlb would probably kill the deal just for the damage to the mlb brand. I wouldn’t be surprised if they still might.

    They should about just move the team now and change the name, because next season is going to be another one of those Marlins years where you can hear a pin drop during games and literally count the people in the stands on tv. I don’t know how the Marlins name in Miami could recover from this. It’s such a slap in the face to taxpayers and fans there.

    1. daveyrosello

      I just don’t know what it is with Florida people, they don’t support baseball well in either Miami or Tampa, despite huge populations and a significant population proportion being relos from baseball-crazy locales like the Midwest, East Coast and of course, Latin America. Doesn’t make sense.

      Portland has been wanting an MLB team for years. NYC could easily support a third team (Brooklyn?).

  20. daveyrosello

    Theo really needs to get in on this and see what it would take to pry away either of LoMo or Stanton.

    1. The Show

      Dare I say, Baez, Lake for Stanton?

  21. Spencer

    I’m not completely overjoyed with the job that Theo is doing, but from now on I think I’m just going to be happy the Cubs aren’t run by whoever is running the Marlins.

    1. Matty

      As Patrick Roy said, he can’t hear you because his TWO championship rings are in his ears. The Cubs organization is the worst in sports over the past 100 years. Take it from a mid-40′s fan – if the FO won two World Series, they could sell off whomever they want.

      1. WGNstatic

        Meh.

        Let’s be clear. The Marlins are remarkably lucky to have two W.S. titles. They have been to the post season twice, winning the WS both times. They have finished with a winning record 6 times, winning the W.S. a third of the time. Only twice have they won 90 games, and of course won a WS title both times.

        Winning in the playoffs is to a large extent luck, and they have had it in their two trips to the post season. To use WS titles as the metric by which successful franchises are measured would rate the Marlins as a better run team than the Braves.

  22. Bren

    Can Selig pull a David Stern and put the kibosh on this?

  23. North Side Irish

    ricky nolasco ‏@RNolasco47
    Huh?…….👀

    Well put Ricky.

  24. Drew

    Brett,

    Curious thought, with the Marlins payroll dropping to roughly 16 million not including some arbitration deals. Would there be a shot in the dark they may per-sue some big free agents now? Josh Hamilton, Michael Bourn and Greinke…with all that space technically they could go for those guys and still hold a moderate payroll. Food for thought.

  25. the jackal

    i wouldnt give up almora soler or baez afterall look what toronto gave up hell we wouldnt have to for stanton alone

  26. Curt

    the emperor bud selig should step in and make the owners sell the team the marlins ownership is an embarrassment to all of baseball and especially to the city of Miami they suckered the city into paying and then dump the team , really nice.

  27. Tobias

    For all the Cubs fans that are complaining about the job Theo and Co are doing, think about how Marlin’s fans are thinking and reacting? Here’s something to think about: could Loria be brought up on fraud charges since the financing of the ballpark would be tied to spending on team talent?

    1. Brian Peters

      You’re right on point with everything here, Tobias!

  28. the jackal

    ill bet every team in baseball askin about nolasco and stanton hell even a couple nfl teams lol

  29. Carew

    Jackson, Vitters, and a pitcher for Stanton?

    1. João Lucas

      If that pitcher is Jeff Samardzija, maybe the Marlins would go for it. Otherwise, I think they’d have to be way more stupid than they’ve been so far to make this deal.

      1. Carew

        not worth losing Shark…but I think they’ve proven that they are pretty stupid :)

  30. the jackal

    ok DEAL carew

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