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Yesterday, we saw B.J. Upton sign, Andy Pettitte pretty much sign with the Yankees, the Astros agreed to send Wilton Lopez to the Phillies (though not finalized), and a flurry of other minor trades. We’re still four days away from the start of the Winter Meetings, but the hot stove is fully in effect.

But I’m still calling it the Lukewarm Stove, because, well, that’s my thing …

  • Bruce Levine chatted yesterday, and among his thoughts: (1) Giancarlo Stanton doesn’t make sense for the Cubs, as adding him would hamper their rebuild efforts because the young players it would cost could then not be used on the field or as trade chips when the team is ready to compete in 2014 (and the Marlins might not want Starlin Castro anyway because of his contract); (2) Brandon McCarthy would be a nice addition to the Cubs – better than Dan Haren, who is older and might be looking for his last long-term contract; (3) Matt Garza would be of interest to the Royals and Wil Myers would be of interest to the Cubs (each of those things is probably true, but they also might have absolutely no relationship to each other – that is to say, no, I don’t see the Royals trading Myers to the Cubs for Garza. Indeed, Jon Heyman reports that although the Royals are interested in picking up a pitcher like Garza (they’ve discussed Jon Lester, James Shields and R.A. Dickey), they don’t want to move Myers, which is understandable (of course, he then later says they would consider moving Myers in the right deal (I’ve gone too far afield)))); (4) next year looks like the earliest time for big-time free agent signings; (5) Bruce isn’t sure whether Shaun Marcum is still on the Cubs’ list or not; (6) Bruce’s gut says the Cubs will non-tender Ian Stewart tomorrow, but will try to bring him back on a lesser deal; (7) that said, the Cubs would “love” to make a trade for a third baseman (though Bruce seems to have backed off his belief that the Cubs could land Lonnie Chisenhall from the Indians); and (8) a number of teams are interested in Carlos Marmol.
  • The Tigers are now telling teams Rick Porcello is available, which has largely been understood to be true for some time now. We’ve discussed him before here as a nice upside play, but with Scott Feldman and Scott Baker already in the fold, I’ll confess that I’m slightly less interested in Porcello. If the Cubs are going to add another arm, I’d rather it was a more reliable piece. That said, I still wouldn’t have any beef with picking up Porcello in the right deal, and seeing what’s what.
  • The Royals, having filled up their rotation with guys like Ervin Santana and the return of Jeremy Guthrie, are apparently calling around and trying to unload Bruce Chen ($4.5 million in 2013, then free agent) and Luke Hochevar, who is arbitration-eligible. Obviously the Royals would love to move the latter before having to make a tender decision on him tomorrow. It took a long time for the former first overall pick to make something of himself in the bigs, but he was only so-so in 2011, and then fairly bad in 2012. He made $3.5 million in 2012, and stands to see that increase in arbitration if he’s tendered a contract (which, obviously, if the Royals found a trade partner, that trade partner would do). I don’t see a whole lot of upside or surplus value in Hochevar, and although I’ve obviously said that I think the Cubs can still take on another pitcher or two, I’m not sure Hochevar is that guy.
  • Speaking of the Royals and flyer starting pitchers, Chris Volstad is now officially a free agent. Just sayin’.
  • After signing Ryan Madson to an incentive-laden deal, the Angels are telling teams that Jordan Walden is available, according to Jayson Stark. The 25-year-old reliever is a strikeout machine, and has been fairly effective in the late innings for three years now. He walks more guys than you’d like to see (around 4 per 9), but he makes up for that with a K-rate that is typically around 11 per 9. Given his effectiveness and the fact that he’s not eligible for arbitration for another year, I’d imagine that the Angels are shopping him for big league piece(s). In other words, I’m not sure there’s a fit with the Cubs, even if they were inclined to pursue.
  • The Reds have signed Jonathan Broxton to a three-year, $21 million deal, which will shift Aroldis Chapman into the rotation next year. That’ll be interesting to watch. It’s another steep price tag for a decent late-inning arm, and a reminder of why the Cubs might have so much interest in trying to land a surprise piece like Kyuji Fujikawa.
  • Patrick Mooney talks about the Nationals’ approach to free agency a couple years ago, and the strategy in signing Jayson Werth before they were “ready.”
  • A couple of Cuban prospects (a shortstop and an outfielder) are headed for free agency soon, and I’ll be writing about them soon, but here’s your general background for now.
  • Jason

    Brett-

    Why so low on Porcello? He is only 23 years old and could be very good in 2 years. Seems to me like a guy that Theo would be all over. I think he could be a very good piece and important piece to the future at the Friendly Confines.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I’m not low on him – as I’ve written before (and linked there), I’m lukewarm on him for a variety of reasons laid out there.

      • cub2014

        i like what the cubs are doing. if they can add a solid starter who is also in long range
        projections like mccarthy then i hope they can get it done. that loads them with options. i wonder if trading marmol hinges a little on fujikawa? i think they will try and bring in keppinger( he can play all over) and bring back stewart and valbuena. lastly i think they will give campana a chance, if they are looking at trade value who dont fit into long term plans that would be stewart and campana. they are looking at 2014 and beyond.

      • wilbur

        As a casual observation, while they are different scales, not seeing a lot of difference between “low” and “lukewarm”. Take only as a random and totally unimportant observation.

  • Spencer

    lol. Guys like Stanton who can crush 40 homers at the age of 23 often hamper a team rather than help.

    • hansman1982

      the only way I see that statement making sense is if you believe you can get a 3B AND 2B that has as much positional surplus value at age 25 as Stanton does.

      • Spencer

        i was being sarcastic.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          The problem is that we see so many statements equivalent to “he never helped the team with his googleplex HR!” that the prior odds were that you weren’t!

          That said, I suspect that the Cubs resources and hopes are better spent elsewhere.

          • hansman1982

            No, I took Spencer’s statement as sarcasm. I was merely stating that in order for that to be true here is what would need to happen.

            Last year Stanton was .070 wOBA points above RF average. The only way you wouldn’t want to trade for Stanton now is:

            1. You don’t like his BB and K rates.
            2. You feel that in 2 years (the likely timing of Bruce’s hypothetical trade) you can trade for a 3B and 2B that will get you more than that .070 at the age of 25 (Stanton’s age at that time). Or that some combination of Castro/Rizzo and the guys you acquire would provide more value than Stanton alone.

            • hansman1982

              Or…in order to get the commish’s blessing you would need to send a package that would just make the trade unfeasible.

              • hansman1982

                unfeasible? Good god…

    • Rich

      When the price is the gutting of all the depth in the system to get them. Then yes getting a guy like Stanton can really hurt a rebuilding project. The Marlins would want a ton of prospects for a guy like that. Think probably 4 guys out of our top 10 prospects to start the conversation. They won’t want anyone off the big club because the Marlins would want to control the arbitration process on the guys they receive.
      Needless to say that price is way to rich for a system that is just beginning to turn the corner and will probably be 3 years before filling in on the big club with consistently ready guys. If this was next offseason the conversation would be different but for right now I totally agree with Brett’s take on it.

      • Kyle

        The Cubs have roughly 60 prospects. Trading 4 of them does not “gut” the system.

        And Stanton essentially replaces one of them, because he’s younger than many of our top-10.

      • Sinnycal

        The guy just turned 23. If our entire top-10 prospects *combined* provide the career value Stanton likely will moving forward, it will be a minor miracle.

      • Chris

        I have to disagree with you Rich. Given his age, you have to look at Stanton as if he’s a prospect, only he’s ML ready. If Baez is a top 25 prospect in all of baseball, Stanton would be the #1 overall prospect. Giving up the #20 prospect plus others is well worth the sacrifice to add a core player that could be combined with Castro and Rizzo. Now if you have to give up Castro, it’s a harder trade for me to make. He’s still better than Castro, but you’re hurting the ML team to get him, and SS is a harder position to fill than OF. The Marlins won’t move him, but it’s a fun fantasy to consider.

        • Noah

          I’d probably trade every player in our Top 10 prospects that is able to be traded (i.e., been with the organization more than 1 year) for Stanton. So if the deal was, say, Baez, Vizcaino, Jackson, Szcur, McNutt and Lake for Stanton, I’d do that in a second, especially if I think (as the Cubs should) that they could sign Stanton to an extension. Alas, I doubt the Marlins would think that package was anywhere near enough for Stanton (I’d need two Baez type prospects).

    • kranzman54

      Yeah I was pretty confused by that statement. Why would sending a bunch of unprovens and a Solid big league player for a young proven BEAST hamper our rebuilding?

  • Sinnycal

    Really, really want Porcello. Kid was being thrown into must-win MLB games when he would’ve been age appropriate for AA and is probably the best and most perfectly fitting buy-low candidate in all of baseball right now.

  • MightyBear

    I’d like to see the Cubs get Porcello for the right price.

  • Chad

    What would it take for the cubs to get Porcello? Would marmol be enough?

    • bbmoney

      I doubt it. Maybe if we ate almost all of Marmol’s $$, but even then.

      I’ve been wrong before though.

  • Kyle

    What are we going to trade the prospects in 2014 for that’d be better than Giancarlo Stanton?

    • ETS

      what tradable pieces to do we have to acquire stanton? I’d love to have him but don’t see a fit.

    • BD

      Agree- considering he’ll still be coming into his “prime.” I wonder if the Cubs could get him without sending Castro (althought he is probably one of the few players I would trade Castro for).

    • http://thenewenthusiast.com dw8

      Agreed, Sir. Agreed.

    • Sinnycal

      Competitive balance draft picks!

    • Chris

      You’d have to be open to give up everyone for Stanton. That would include Almora, Baez, or Soler as part of any package. And maybe even 2 of them. It would pain me to give up Baez, but Stanton is the one guy out there that would be worth moving one or two of these top prospects. He’s young and improving, and already performing very well at the ML level.

      • When the Music’s Over

        I’d easily move 2 of the Cubs top 3 prospects for a number of young MLB players: Say the prerequisite is age 24 or younger, without digging hard, the following guys come to mind: Bundy, Machado, Kershaw, Trout, Harper, Bumgarner, Heyward, etc.

    • cubchymyst

      Stanton might be cheaper to trade for in 2014 since he has less years of control. You are right though it is rare to receive a young proven MLB player in a trade.

  • BD

    Based on Heyman’s note, would a W. Castillo/M. Szczur land R.A. Dickey? If he has a big first half next year, he could net guys better than Castillo/Szczur (IMO). Would that even be enough, or at least a starting point for discussion?

    • Noah

      As much as I love R.A. Dickey, the Cubs shouldn’t trade someone who appears to have strong odds of being an above league average catcher at controlled costs for the foreseeable future for a 38 year old knuckleballer.

  • Njriv

    Why haven’t the Cubs pulled the trigger on Chisenhall? It seems like the Indians are not asking for too much for him.

    • The Show

      Same, I would also like to see them acquire Porcello/McCarthy, Walden, Keppinger and Pagan but how what are the chances of any of those actually happening?

      • http://deleted cub2014

        chances are good on keppinger and with only 4 outfielder they are going to need another outfielder that can pinch hit or start. what is reed johnson’s contract status?
        i believe they will get 1 more starter hoyer has said that mccarthy would be great but odds might be low.

        • http://deleted cub2014

          i meant hoyer has said they want to look at one more starter, they havent mentioned mccarthy to my knowledge

        • The Show

          IMO if they get Chisenhall, Keppinger, Pagan and Porcello/McCarthy they could be decent team next season.

          • http://deleted cub2014

            if marmol doesnt blow those saves in the 1st week and they dont trade starting pitchers they would have been decent last year, but they will probably
            trade away again this year unless they are in contention.

            • MightyBear

              Thank you cub2014. That’s what I’ve been saying. Everyone thinks the Cubs won’t be in contention this year but nobody knows that. If that team starts out good last year, Theo/Jed doesn’t make those trades at the deadline, they don’t shut down Samardjia and Garza, they don’t bring up the I Cubs and they dont lose 100 games.

              They probably won’t contend this year but in the words of Yogi Berra “I can sum it up in one word – yaneverknow.”

        • Chris

          We’ve seen that movie multiple times now. Johnson is a free agent, but no thanks. I’d like to see Campana and Sappelt hold down the backup OF spots for now.

          • cub2014

            who is your 3rd outfielder with campana and sappelt backups you only have dejesus and soriano as starters

            • Chris

              Given the lack of choices on the market, I suppose a Campana/Sappelt platoon may be the reality. I’m hopeful for a rebound candidate like Grady Sizemore, but I won’t hold my breath. I don’t think they want to keep DeJesus in CF, so short of Sizemore, I hate the other free agency options. Jackson isn’t ready either… I guess Reed Johnson could be the 5th OF. Delmon Young? Anybody else?

              • CubFan Paul

                Given the lack of choices on the market

                angel pagan, josh hamilton, s.victorino, m.bourn, ichiro…lack? Campana is only capable of platooning in AAA

              • Zogie

                In the free agent market, I like Pagan, Victorino, but I don’t believe the cubs want to commit to these type free agents. They could get Denard Span from the twins, but again it maybe a long shot. I say Theo and Hoyer will find a CF through trade. Also, a big heck no to Delmon Young. He can’t play defense, high K rate and a low BB rate.

                • Mick

                  Span will definitely be traded, probably over the next 10 days, but I doubt it’s to the Cubs. Although, if we were closer to contention he’d be an ideal CF and leadoff man. We all might get a 3-year dose of Span in our division though, he’s rumored to be going to Cincy for Leake and some prospects.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Why haven’t the Cubs pulled the trigger on Chisenhall? It seems like the Indians are not asking for too much for him.

      I see no reason to think that the Cubs ever had this gun in their hands. The whole story made absolutely no sense to me, anyway: the Indians are in a similar position to the Cubs in that they are (again) rebuilding, and they now have a manager (Tito) who appreciates Chisenhall’s basic talents (good slugging, pretty good OBP) over last year’s 3Bman (!Consistent[ly crappy] Veteran!).

      Moreover, if it was the Cubs failing to pull the trigger, then we would have seen another team pull the trigger pretty quickly: several teams other than the Cubs desperately need a 3Bman who can hit well.

      • bbmoney

        I agree with Doc. I’m not sure it’s the Cubs trigger to pull.

  • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

    I would be all over Porcello.

    Velocity increased 2mph this year.
    Groundball rates very good.
    K’s are meh, good walk rate
    FIP and xFIP improved in each of his 4 years…

  • Chad

    I don’t believe that Soler or Almora can be traded right now since they were signed within the last year. Is that correct?

    • Chris

      That is correct. And I would guess the Marlins would not want Soler, due to his inflated salary, for a minor leaguer. I think they would have to be signed for 1 full calendar year before they could be traded, or something close to that.

  • BWA

    Marmol+??? for Porcello Please!
    Then Garza + some combo of Vogelbach/Lake/Vitters/Jackson for Myers.
    Then sign McCarthy.
    This wouldn’t wreck the farm and seems reasonable to me.

  • DocPeterWimsey

    Regarding Porcello, a lot of his fate is going to depend on free agent signings. The Tigers desperately need middle infielders: Peralta and Infante do not cut it. If the Tigers sign Stephen Drew, then that’s half of it down. (Supposedly they are hot for him, and it does make sense.) However, that’s only half the battle.

    Now, you might say “How about Porcello for Barney.” However, supposedly the Tigers concern with Infante is that, well, he’s basically Darwin Barney: a plus fielder but an offensive liability. (The two sport similar slash lines.)

    So, a promising 23 year old starter probably gets flipped for a middle infielder who can hit, and who can hit now: the TIgers are in a window where they can expect to reach post-season every year for a little while; they sorely miss the 1984 riots, you know!

  • an

    Mous is probably better than hitters and lake

  • daveyrosello

    re: trade scenarios with the Royals.

    KC has three guys (Alex Gordon, Mike Moustakas, and now, Wil Myers) and only two spots (3B and LF) to play them. Any one of the three, no more, but no less, should be available in a trade. Of the three, Myers actually has the least value to the Cubs, since we’re still stuck with Soriano, and Myers (a converted catcher) can only play LF. But either of Gordon or Moustakas? Cubs 3B problem is solved. Of the two, Gordon makes much more money, so KC would likely be more eager to move him. And he’s a bit older. He’s also a more proven performer.

    So, Garza + Barney for Gordon or Moustakas (KC chooses) plus we take the unwanted Hochevar off their hands? Barney would be an upgrade for KC at 2B over Getz. Cubs could slot Valbuena or Cardenas into 2B for 2013.

    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

      Myers can play CF (at least for a little while) and will eventually be in RF.

      • Rcleven

        Kc ownership has stated that they have a 70 MM budget for 13. Deal would not work unless Cubs kicked in cash.

    • CubFanBob

      Myers had 13 or so games at 3b last year at AAA. Word is he looked good…

      Here’s hoping the Cubs can find a way to get Moustakas

  • Mick

    What about Marmol, cash, and a throw-in for Boesch and Porcello?

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Again, the Tigers want a middle infielder who can hit, and neither Marmol nor a large pile of cash fits that bill.

      The Tigers are thought to be hot for Raffy Soriano, which makes much more sense than Marmol: he’s better and he does not cost any prospects. That would make it more imperative that they move a pitcher to clear some contract space.

      And as for Boesch: um, he might be good for soylent green, but not a heck of a lot else.

      • hansman1982

        I dunno – did you see Cash’s BA last year – DOPE dude!

        Plus then the Tigers could send Marmol to the Twins, White Sox, Indians, Royals and get plenty of offense against him…

  • http://www.bleachernation.com ZachCubs82

    Fujikawa and Jordan Walden should be relief pitchers that the Cubs should be all over especially if the Cubs trade Marmol for Porcello (wishful thiinking). Remember how bad the bullpen was for the Cubs last year? Not good at all, and a lot of teams with strong bullpens can compete, so I hope the FO doesnt forget about that. Then go sign McCarthy, maybe give Campana a shot in CF, trade for Chisenhall to fill the gap at 3B, and maybe Keppinger. If those things happen, which likely will not, the Cubs could be decent in the NL Central IMO.

  • ruby2626

    Don’t like the stuck with Soriano remark. I know he’s grossly overpaid, enough already, but where do you think we’ll replace 32 and 108. His so called revival was not exactly one year either, if you prorate his 2011 stats over the 100+ at bats more he had in 2012 very comparable.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com ZachCubs82

      Ruby-I agree, Soriano did a nice job for the Cubs last year offensively and defensively…and also showed leadership and much more hustle. Right now we are not going to get that back unless we trade some top prospects for Stanton, which I doubt are in the Cubs rebuilding plans. We may as well try to get the most out of him, and if we can trade him in the midseason for some really good prospects, then pull the trigger.

  • North Side Irish

    BA posted their list of Top 20 prospects from the AFL as judged by scouts who watched the league. Baez is listed #1 overall and the scouting report says ” At 19, Baez was considered by many evaluators to have the highest ceiling in the league.”

    The rest of the report was the usual…elite bat speed, big home run power, showed ability to stick at SS long term.

  • DarthHater

    So, Dusty Baker is going to be in charge of using Aroldis Chapman as a starter. What’s the over-under on Chapman’s arm falling off before the All-Star break?

  • Carne Harris

    It’s another steep price tag for a decent late-inning arm

    Which bodes well for a Marmol trade.

  • Nathan

    Whoever said the Cubs should get Porcello, McCarthy, Fujikawa/Walden (I don’t think they would get both) and Pagan I think is spot on with what the Cubs should do this offseason. This would give them the ability to trade Garza for some nice prospects and still be competitive as well as letting Marmol go in a deal for Porcello. I would still love for them to go out and get a Myers or Stanton but I think that is just wishful thinking. Although if they were able to package a deal for Stanton around Baez and not Castro I would be all for that. I am one of those guys who likes Almora and Soler more than Baez (I still really like Baez though).

  • ssckelley

    Wow, trading for Stanton is still being debated. I will say it again that it makes zero sense to trade the farm for a player like Stanton when the Cubs have so many holes to fill. If you are trading the farm and a player like Baez and not getting at least 3rd baseman in return then you are leaving the team with way to many holes to fill and no farm system to help fill them. Stanton plays a position that can easily be filled through free agency and can get somewhere close to the production. Third base you either trade for it, hope one comes up through the system, or hope Baez pans out and move either Castro or Baez to 3rd.

    • http://firetheoepstein.blogspot.com/ Kyle

      Can we trade like 3% of the farm? I don’t think anyone wants to trade all 60 of our farm prospects for him.

      • TWC

        Only 3% of the 60? I’d gladly lose a full 10% of our tradable farm assets for Stanton — Miami’s pick!

      • Myles

        Marlins get our entire farm, we get Giancarlo Stanton

        Sign every player in the Venezuelan League that is too good for Vitters to fill out AAA
        Nippon Pro League all-star team for AA
        Cuban League for High A
        Houston Astros for Middle A
        Brett’s Future Kid’s Little League for Low A

        Do it Theo!

        • wilbur

          It’s a great thread you’re working here.

          Makes a one wonder if, just for discussion purposes. is there an algorithm that projects values for prospects and if so how many of the top Cub prospects equal the projected value of a Stanton? Assume the FO has one, but wonder if a reliable model exists outside the inner sanctum of the advanced FO’s.

          • wilbur

            This comment got misplaced and really relates to the thread about how many Cub prospects equal a Stanton.

            My comment here is really quite mean and would be are you overvaluing the Astro’s … never did like that franchise on an emotional level.

          • Sinnycal

            There’s an article on Fangraphs about this right now, with dollar figures attached to prospects (the #1 BA prospect is worth x dollars and so on), and the conclusion is that it is virtually impossible for any one team to actually match Stanton’s projected surplus value in prospect value.

            • wilbur

              Thanks I’ll go check it out …

      • ssckelley

        You never did answer my question a few days ago when I asked you what package you would trade for Stanton. Be the GM and make me an offer.

        What would someone like Headley cost, in terms of prospects being given up? Or how about trading prospects for prospects in going after Nick Castellanos or Mike Olt? If the Cubs had some kind of long term solution for 3rd base I would be all over wanting to go all in for a guy like Stanton. The rest of the holes the Cubs have can be filled either through the minors or free agency. Then perhaps they can make a playoff run even next season.

        • http://firetheoepstein.blogspot.com/ Kyle

          For Stanton, I offer Rizzo, Samardzija, Castillo, Vizcaino and Lake as an opening offer.

          • Myles

            Ok, I counter with Rizzo, Samardzija, Castillo, Baez, and Vizcaino, and you give me like $6 million (whatever you are allowed to give to cover Shark’s contract).

            • Justin

              Okay so now we give up 2-3 MLB ready players for 1 MLB ready player? Doesn’t make sense. Baez is going to potentially be a stud. Theo traded Hanley back in 2005, so why would we want him to trade our top prospect now? At least in 2005 they picked up more than 1 player in the trade.

              • Noah

                What does Hanley Ramirez have to do with this? Ramirez isn’t even on the Marlins anymore. These are trade ideas for Giancarlo Stanton.

                • Justin

                  I am well aware of that, I am saying Theo traded his top prospect in 2005, why would we want him to do that now for 1 player while we give up 2-3 MLB ready talent? Just doesn’t add up because we would have more holes to fill then we do already

              • bbmoney

                All MLB ready players are equal, but remember some are more equal than others.

          • ssckelley

            You really think the Marlins would bite on that? Outside of Rizzo and Samardzija you are not really giving up much. Rizzo plays a position that can easily be filled, other than a couple of hot streaks we really do not know what we have in Samardzija, Vizcaino is coming off TJ surgery, and Lake is looking like a bust.

            Interesting offer though. Better than some of the garbage offers I have seen on here.

    • Sinnycal

      Players like Stanton aren’t made available the month of their 23rd birthday. They just aren’t. If you have the opportunity to acquire that type of asset, you shouldn’t spend one second thinking about positional need.

    • Justin

      Why not do a 3 way trade with Cleveland and Miami to the Cubs get both Chisenhall and Cabrera for SS and Stanton? Trade Garza(since Cubs are still looking for starting pitching, so sounds like Garza could be traded) and Marmol to Cleveland and Castro to Miami and get some major talent from Cleveland and send them in to Miami with Castro. This way you are not trading the whole farm system and sending Cleveland’s farm system to Miami. Cabrera would be in Chicago until Baez is ready and Chisenhall would be a perminate 3rd baseman. Vitters is a wash and might as well trade him while we can because he has already been cut from his winterball team. Maybe Miami can take him and still think he can be a big time prospect. Then we can sign Fukijima to close for us. Nothing has been working for the Cubs and gettinh Chisenhall and Stanton who are young solid players can be a big impact for the Cubs even when rebuilding. Why not try to contend now?

      • MichiganGoat

        Both Cleveland and Miami would laugh at that trade

    • bbmoney

      I’m just going to say I’d be shocked if Stanton is traded before next off season. I know you can’t trust Marlins management (you think S. Flordia would have know that before financing the new stadium), but that’s pretty much what they’re saying now too.

      But if he is. ……of course the cubs should look into it. And of course they should be willing trade multiple prospect even up to 10% of the system (assuming that means 6 guys). And even if you’re sending 6 bodies their way it’d probably have to include 3 of our top 5 which would be fine with me. But I don’t think we would realistically be able outbid every other team. Love the idea though.

      Not sure what’s going on with Justin’s comment above. Don’t think the indians would have any interest in Marmol (they already have two good to great closer options…i.e. probably better than Marmol) or a $10-12M Matt Garza since they’re in a pretty similar spot to us right now…crappy starting pitching…a good ‘young’ SS…..not a ton else.

  • MichCubFan

    If i were the Cubs i would look into Stanton. Beside that you can’t really speculate too much because you really don’t know what the Marlins are thinking. They are kind of like Charlie from Always Sunny. They are the wildcard. They just sit around looking like they are crazy and you never know what they are going to do.

    If something makes sense then pull the trigger. If not, then oh well spend more time looking into the next guy.

    • Richard Nose

      I’m not interested in giving up 4 top prospects for him. But since it’s Charlie, you have to at least offer them 2 top prospects just to see what he says, right?

  • North Side Irish

    Ben Badler ‏@BenBadler
    RT @NationalsPR The #Nationals today acquired OF Denard Span from the Minnesota Twins in exchange for minor league RHP Alex Meyer.

    That price seems a bit light to me for Span…

    • Mick

      Agreed, where was the market for Span? I thought they’d at least get a more MLB ready SP contributor like Teheran. I’m not dissappointed by any means, Meyer looks to be a potential top of the rotation SP, its just unfortunate that it won’t be until 2014 or 2015. This may be the Twins move before the move, the next to go could be Josh Willingham.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Span really had only one very good season (2009: .311/.392/.415). In the three years since then, he hasn’t topped 0.74 in OPS. He’s a very good fielder, but there are lots of those. Unless the Nats have decided to move Morse to first and let LaRoche go, then they are looking at Span as the 4th OFer.

        • North Side Irish

          He was a 2+ WAR on offense and defense last year and he’s signed for two more years for about $11M. I can see the argument that this makes more sense for the Nats than signing Bourn to a huge deal would have. I thought I had heard the Twins were asking a ton for Span, but I may have been thinking of the Rockies and Fowler.

          Sounds like the Nats are playing Span in CF, Harper in LF, and Morse at 1B. Moving on from LaRoche.

  • Melrosepad

    Reading on MLBTradeRumors about how the Phillies trade for Wilton Lopez is done and one of the potential pieces Houston would have picked up was Tyler Cloyd. His AA and AAA numbers look good and he is a young arm we could have in the rotation or as our first layer of backup once we start trading people or they go down for injury.

  • Craig

    Too bad the Cubs missed out on Scott Moore who signed with Oakland. He can play 3b, 2b, 1b and Rf plus he had 9 homers as a reserve.

    • ScottMaxM1908

      Oh yes. He will be ours. Oh yes. Thus spake Scott.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Well, they used to have him. And his name was Scott.

  • steve

    I’d do a couple of trades right now, ones to impact our team now & the future. Garza, Jackson, & McNutt to the Royals for Moustakas, Collins, & Cain. They get a frontline starter,Garza, a young arm for the pen/rotation,McNutt, & a young CF,Jackson, w/speed/power. We get a 3B w/power for the next decade,Moustakas, a power lefty in the pen,Collins, & a CF with speed/leadoff ability,Cain.

    I’d move Castro, Lake, & Vogelbach, & some cash to the Marlins for Stanton, & a prospect or 2. They get a great young SS thats locked up long term, w/some $ to offset his contract, a raw & talented IF,Lake, & a powerful 1B prospect for the future,Vogelbach. We get a power hitting RF,Stanton that’ll be a major piece to the offense. We’d slide Barney to SS, his D’s very good & he’d handle it well, w/Baez developing, moving Castro won’t be felt much.

    Marmol to the Tigers w/cash for Smyly & a prospect. They get a closer, we get another starter moving forward.Then I’d trade Soriano to the indians for Chris Perez, & Masterson. Send some cash & Amaya, Campana along w/Soriano

    The rotation’d be Shark, Masterson, Baker, Feldman, Smyly/Wood, loser for the 5th spot to the pen. The pen’d be more wide open w/only Perez closing, Collins, Camp, Russell, either Wood/Smyly, w/others competing. Position starters are 1B-Rizzo, 2B- ?, 3B- Moustakas, SS- Barney, C- Castillo, CF- Cain, RF- Stanton, LF- Dejesus. We’d need to find a 2B, & some bench players, but this team’d be young, w/a good mix of speed/power, to grow & develop together. We’d also have improved defense. This is a team shouldn’t cost much, & give the youth in the system time to grow, while competing for a wildcard this year. The rotation should be better than last year w/Shark continuing developing. Baker’s a solid pitcher that’d round back to form, Masterson’s a groundball pitcher, eats innings, & benefit moving to the NL. Feldman’s good enough to have a solid year, Smyly moving to the NL would help, & he’s versatile enough to start/relieve. Wood would benefit from exp, improved offense/defense. If we fall off, some pitchers, & position players would be flippable pieces that we’d continue stocking the system with.

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