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  • With the Dodgers landing Zack Greinke this weekend, together with locking down Hyun-Jin Ryu, they’ve got upwards of seven capable starting pitchers (naturally), so they’ll probably be shopping back-end guys like Chris Capuano and Aaron Harang. If it is, indeed, Capuano and Harang that the Dodgers move, I’m not sure I see the value there for the Cubs, unless the Dodgers are looking only to unload salary. It rarely makes sense to try and pick up flippable pieces by trading prospects for them in the first place. And, as far as the Cubs’ future goes, it would be hard to characterize a Capuano or a Harang as anything other than a flippable asset.
  • Speaking of the Ryu signing, he gets six years and $36 million (with another $6 million in incentives). Together with his posting fee, it’s a total commitment of just over $60 million for six years of control. A big risk, sure, but not an overly terrifying one (especially not for the Dodgers). The Cubs are widely believed to have come up second for him (as they did with Yu Darvish and Yoenis Cespedes, incidentally), so it will be interesting to see how he performs long-term.
  • There was a spurious rumor on Sunday, spurred I believe by a Jim Duquette tweet, that the Dodgers could look to trade Ryu after signing him, which didn’t make much sense for a number of reasons, including two procedural ones: (1) players who were just signed cannot be traded until June; and (2) the receiving team couldn’t kick in extra cash to cover the posting fee (a team can only include a portion of the cash owed to players they are trading), so, either the trading team would have to send along players on good contracts but STILL send along a bunch of cash, or the Dodgers would have to eat that $25.7 million posting fee in exchange for the privilege of trading a guy on a reasonable 6/$36M contract. It just doesn’t make any sense, and finding a match in trade is almost impossible. (For example, try to concoct a trade with the Cubs that makes any sense whatsoever to both teams.)
  • Buster Olney says that, with Ryu and Greinke in the fold, the Dodgers are out of the starting market. I’ll believe that when I see it, but it could make Anibal Sanchez just the tiniest bit more attainable. I still doubt the Cubs pursue him, and I still wish they would, given his age (28) and ability (4.4 WAR in 2011, 3.8 WAR in 2012). The Cubs want long-term assets, right? Well, Sanchez could be a quality pitcher for the Cubs for the next four or five years, which would hopefully easy fall within their upcoming window of competitiveness.
  • Ken Rosenthal suggests that the Rangers could try to re-sign Josh Hamilton AND trade for Justin Upton. That would certainly make Michael Bourn happy, as it would send two of his outfield competitors to a team he wasn’t really connected to in the first place. It would also make Nelson Cruz, a free agent after 2013, available in trade. He’s not a real fit for the Cubs, but it could further disrupt the free agent market in the outfield (and would give teams an alternative to Alfonso Soriano in trade, for example). Rosenthal says that the Upton possibility remains the most likely, which, assuming the Rangers didn’t actually land both Upton and Hamilton, would be the best outcome for teams like the Cubs who are hoping to land an outfielder on the cheap later in the offseason (because Hamilton’s presence on the market pushes every other outfielder down a slot).
  • Speaking of that outfield market, and with Soriano implications, Matt Gelb says the Phillies are expecting to add a corner outfield bat like Hamilton, Cody Ross, or Nick Swisher.
  • The Mets are offering R.A. Dickey, who is under contract for 2013 at just $5 million, a two year, $20 million extension. He wants two years and $26 million. How is this not getting done? Given that Dickey just won the Cy Young, and, while he’s 38, he’s got a skill set that could last into his early 40s. In other words, I think this gets done, and Dickey does not impact the free agent starting pitcher market by way of trade (which is why I haven’t talked about him too much around here).
  • Mark Reynolds signed with the Indians for one year and $6 million (plus $1.5 million in incentives), where he’ll be playing first base and DH’ing. That’s a fine fit for Reynolds. I think the Cubs did fine at third base, bringing back Ian Stewart for $2 million (plus $500K in incentives).
  • TC

    Yeah, the Ryu rumor just doesn’t make sense. As the guys over at Obstructed View often point out, a player signed in FA will (almost always) sign for what the market has determined his value is. This means that player has no surplus value in trade, and wont bring much in trade. Now, the Dodgers are one of the few teams that could eat a ton of that salary, bu that still leaves a pretty small amount in surplus value available, and they wouldn’t get much in return

  • Myles

    I can just feel Michael Bourn putting on a Cubs jersey at this point.

    For my money, the Rangers land Upton, don’t get Hamilton, he signs with like the Mariners, and the Bourn identity comes to Chicago.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      I can just feel Michael Bourn putting on a Cubs jersey at this point.

      I’m sorry. I recommend liberally coating yourself in a cream rich in aloe, analgesics and cortisone.

      • http://windycitysportswonk.blogspot.com Myles

        It’s like a million Cubs fans screamed all at once, then went silent.

  • Ben

    Probably will be hard to move Soriano as long as Hamilton, Bourne, Swisher, and Ross are unsigned. Hopefully Philly is still interested after that happens, but my guess is that they will end up with 1 of these 4.

    • Rcleven

      Philly doesn’t match up well with the Cubs. Really, what would the Cubs expect back out of the Philly system?

      • terencemann

        They sent almost everything they had away already.

        • Ben

          I’d settle for good salary relief, d brown, and maybe a really low-level SP. A former top prospect with some playing time…who knows, maybe he can figure it out.

      • Mick

        I’d like Aumont and Ruf but especially Ruf.

      • EQ76

        Ryan Sandberg

        • bbmoney

          Ryne?

          or is there really a Ryan Sandberg in the phillies system?

          • EQ76

            crap..stupid auto correct.. RYNE!!!

  • terencemann

    Bourn signing with the Cubs would be interesting because it sounds like Shierholtz was pretty much told he’d be given a chance to start or at least get the better side of a platoon in right. If you move DeJesus back to right, then that wouldn’t be the case. It makes the outfield very lefty-heavy, especially if the Cubs trade Soriano.

    • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

      If Bourn signs with the Cubs, a DeJesus trade is an inevitability.

      • MightyBear

        Why wouldn’t they trade Soriano and put DeJesus/Shierholtz in left?

        • Pat

          Mostly because (despite what you may hear about “multiple teams being interested” (didn’t we hear that about Fukudome for three straight years?)) nobody wants Soriano. That is not to say that there isn’t a team who might take him if plans A, B & C fail to pan out, but nobody has a 37 year old making 18 million a year near the top of their list.

          • ncsujuri

            Pat, I’m sure you know this but Sori wouldn’t be making $18M for any team that got him in trade, he’d more likely be making $7-10M with the Cubs picking up the rest of the tab. At that price and assuming even slighting declining production from last year over the course of the next two years he would be an improvement for many clubs in baseball.

  • 1060Ivy

    “The Cubs are widely believed to have come up second for him (as they did with Yu Darvish and Yoenis Cespedes, incidentally)”

    The Cubs coming up second in signing a free agent? I just can’t believe that. Maybe under the Tribune company this could happen – regularly – but under Ricketts management? Couldn’t be.

    Fairly certain that you could probably find this line regarding coming up just short of signing premier free agent in many sports sections but it does seem to get used by Cubs reporters far too often.

    • terencemann

      It’s a blind bidding system with no negotiations so it’s totally believable given the Dodgers habit of over-bidding lately.

    • http://www.casualcubsfan.com hansman1982

      I love this line of logic. I call it the W Principle (working title, the other title is “The Inverted M Principle):

      Person A is too stupid to do Thing A; however, they are fully capable of orchestrating an incredibly complex sequence of events to make it look like they are trying really hard to do Thing A, just failing by fractions of an inch. This way they can do what they want which is the dumbest thing ever.

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

        Reporter: Hey, the Dodgers bid $25 million for that Japanese player and won the bidding. What did you guys bid?

        Cubs front office guy: Um, $24 million?

        Reporter: OK. Since I have absolutely no way to check that information, I’ll assume it’s true.

        Cubs front office guy: Off the record, please. Just cite an unnamed source.

        That doesn’t seem that complex.

        • nick cafardo

          The cubs were suppose to sign that asian pitcher and send him over to the redsox as part of the theo compensation. they dropped the ball.

          • LWeb23

            ^ lol nick cafardo

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Fairly certain that you could probably find this line regarding coming up just short of signing premier free agent in many sports sections

      They might have come up just short on Ryu, but the Cubs did not come up “just short” on Darvish or Cespedes. The A’s bid 50% more than the Cubs or anybody else. The Ranger’s posting bid was about twice anybody else’s. (And you know that they wish that they’d saved those 10’s of M $$$ for Greinke!)

      Indeed, it seems to be a pattern where it looks like there is one “out of the blue” bid on a lot of major FAs lately.

  • http://windycitysportswonk.blogspot.com Myles

    Nothing wrong with that, DeJesus has value and hopefully could bring back a solid pitching prospect or 2.

  • DowntownLBrown

    Hope Stewart can hit over .200.

  • Don

    Easily solved by Cubs signing Hamilton. That would help create a market
    for Soriano. Hamilton would be great upgrade for Cubs and increased market for Soriano. Win, win move!!

    • Seth

      I don’t think that will happen. You need to stick to your day job working at Sterling & Cooper.

    • Muck

      No

    • Cubbie Blues

      [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/77510188/G-G/This%20lacks%20something.png[/img]

      • Bob

        Love Garfield minus Garfield!

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        You are strongly encouraged to post G – G any time you’d like.

        • Cubbie Blues

          I might just start posting them instead of typing it out. It adds just the right amount of existentialism.

          • Spencer

            and they’re hilarious.

          • http://www.casualcubsfan.com hansman1982

            maybe I have no clue what existentialism is but they appear to be highlighting a man who either is or has gone completely mad.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              You don’t know how right you are.

            • Cubbie Blues

              Existentialism is the analysis of human existence and the centrality of human choice. I view Jon as a depressed man that is reflecting on the choices good and (mostly) bad that he has made in his life wondering where he went wrong. But, that’s just me.

  • ETS

    Why are there no edwin jackson rumors?

    • TheCubsFanFormerlyKnownAsJeff

      because he’s a Scott Boras client

      • ETS

        I thought he dumped Boras after last year’s mess.

  • Bob

    I agree with you Brett, I think Sanchez would be a great pick up. I also would like to see them go after Bourn on only a short term deal, if he falls through the cracks. As a long time Cubs fan, I can swallow the rebuild, but I think a couple of mid-major moves like that would help make the medicine go down.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Sanchez is the only one of the major free agents that I would like to see the Cubs sign. If they can do so without the price being outrageous (a big “if”), then go for it.

  • 2much2say

    Stop drinking the Theo’ade. The Cubs are a Major market team. There is no reason they can’t sign some vets to fill the holes until the young in’s are ready.
    1st 2nd SS done / 3rd Youk LF Hamilton CF Bourn RF Platoon C AJ “Winning”

    • Bob

      So Youk for 3 years, Hamilton (aka Soriano part 2) for 7 years at plus 20 million a year and Bourn for 3 years. Payroll skyrockets, rotation still a huge question mark, bullpen a huge question mark and with Youk and Hamilton sitting on the bench injured for 25% of the year, I don’t see how this wins now. You’ve stopped yourself from spending money the next couple years. Doesn’t seem to be too smart, maybe I’m missing something

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

        You don’t need to go to 7 years to get Hamilton. You may not even have to go to four.

        • http://windycitysportswonk.blogspot.com Myles

          If Hamilton will sign a 3-year deal I think you have to do it, I’d even consider 4 very strongly.

      • 2much2say

        Garza and Dempster’s trade fiasco last year cost the Cubs a lot.
        Buying the FA’s you need to compete is what major market teams do.
        You can keep Sori or Sign Josh either way the Cubs need HR’s.
        Youk for 2 years Bourn for 4 and whatever it takes between Sori and Josh.
        Obviously Sori is short term.

        • Bob

          I’m tired of competing at around .500. I don’t see Hamilton and Bourn making that much of a difference on this team that we are improving by 25-30 wins. I think that’s a pipe dream at best. Youk is on the downward slope in my opinion. It would be an improvement, but that is a ton of money spent to get this team to maybe 70-75 wins. Also, why on earth would Hamilton sign here. Slugger just past his peak looking to lock up a long term contract and he would come to a non contending team for 4 years as Kyle said. That seems like Fantasy Land to me.

    • Brian

      Where did Soriano go?

    • Mick

      What “young ins”? Baez, Almora, Soler? Can they pitch? Well, then we’re back to sqaure one. Hamilton doesn’t make you nervous at all that you’d be willing to hand him a 6-7 year deal? Because, that’s what it would take for him to come to the Cubs. What about Bourn? What happens when he only steals 10 bases in a season or needs to be moved out of CF? How much value is a slap hitting LF with a bad OBP and lack of speed? Now, if we could get Bourn on a 1-year deal then I’m all for it. He’d be a pretty sweet trade chip at the trade deadline.

      • 2much2say

        The Royals had to suck it up and make that trade to improve now. The Cubs need to do the same by filling the holes with FA’s. What if’s gets you the Yankees look at them now, but they contended every year with Arod hurt. Youth and Vets make for a contender.

        • Mick

          The difference between the Royals and the Cubs are their farm systems. The Cubs system is middle of the league whereas the Royals was top-5. They traded the best hitting prospect in baseball in Myers, and what would have bested any two pitchers in our farm system with Ordozzi and Montgomery. There would have been no package of prospects the Cubs could have offered to beat what the Royals gave up. Until we have a shiny young core and waves of prospects moving through the ranks with also prospects to spare in a trade we’ll have no hope to compete on a year-in, year-out basis. We could sign Hamilton but we’d lose our 2nd round pick and by the time we’re actually competitive Hamiltion will be a cripple in LF and we’ll have 1 less 2nd round pick in our system.

          • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

            All of which is why he specifically said the Cubs needed to do it with money, which is something we have that the Royals don’t. It won’t cost us anything in prospects.

          • http://windycitysportswonk.blogspot.com/ Myles

            2nd round picks are not that valuable. In 2008, only 12 of the 31 picks have even made it to the majors, the best of whom is Robbie Ross.

            2007: 9 of 30 (though 2 dynamite starts in Jordan Zimmerman and Giancarlo Stanton)

            2006: 16 of 32, Trevor Cahill

            2005: 12 of 32

            It’s just not worth losing sleep over that conditional 2nd round pick, because the chances are very good that it won’t pan out.

            Minutiae: in 2005, back-to-back players were taken in the 2nd round from Flower Mound HS (Flower Mound, TX). Neither made the Majors.

            • Cubbie Blues

              Those are pretty good success rates. Are you aware of the percentage of minor leaguers who actually make it to the Bigs?

              • http://www.casualcubsfan.com hansman1982

                It gets worse when you look at WAR.

                What would be interesting though is to see the WAR received from those guys including trades.

      • DocPeterWimsey

        I would go so far as to predict that Bourn, Hamilton, AJ & Youk will hurt their 2014 teams: and possibly their 2013 ones.

        • Patrick W.

          Hmmm … that’s a good one. How do we decide that the hurt their teams? Can we decide up front on a WAR calculation as a basis? I think you’re right about Bourn and Youk in both years, but I’d take AJ for 2013 as having positive WAR and Hamilton in both years.

          I’d like to track this.

  • Curt

    really , the cubs did fine by bringing Stewart back, ill believe that when I see it, I mean on the field doing anything except taking up a roster spot I hope he rebounds but well see.

  • BD

    I understand trying to balance and time the rebuild with adding to your roster. But if Dickey has “got a skill set that could last into his early 40s”, wouldn’t that put him in the Cubs theoretical window? Could we send B. Jackson and a catcher to NY for him? Is that enough?

  • nick cafardo

    Baez may be going to the red sox soon to finalize the theo compensation issue.

  • Byron Browne

    For years, I watched the Cubs loose with three future hall-of-famers in their lineup. Just signing the best “superstars” in a poor free-agent market doesn’t guarantee success. You need a complete team.

  • 2much2say

    The Cubs Payroll is at 65 mil (including Sori) so far for 2013. They could sign 4 guys at 20 mil and still be below 125 mil Spread out the terms over 2 to 6 years. Win now Win later.

    • Ben

      I don’t think you have arbitration numbers in your 65 million estimate. Garza will get 10 million alone.

    • bbmoney

      You’re missing something if you’re at $65M. Likley all the arbitration eligible and pre arb players.

      It’s still low 85-90M, but not 65.

      • 2much2say

        Extend Garza for avg 65 mil over 4 years same for Bourn.
        Get AJ for 6-8 mil per year for 2 years. Youk for 3yrs at 10 mil per.
        Sign the rest of the arb guys for 10-15 mil. That’s 50 mil committed or 115 mil
        dropping off 20 mil per year from 2014 on

        • Cubbie Blues

          16.25/yr for Bourn over 4 years?
          [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/77510188/G-G/Blogger%20pose.png[/img]
          I’ll just ignore the rest.

          • Kansas Cubs Fan

            Haha.

    • Bob

      Do you mean 4 guys at 20 mil each? That’s 80 mil plus 65 plus other abir players and you have over 150 mil payroll. If you mean 4 guys at around 5 each for 20mil total, I’m not sure what you are getting for 5 mil a year that would help this team win now and later.

  • 2much2say

    Personally, Sign Bourn keep Sori and figure out 3rd and C
    Pitching is pretty much set and they will continue to add.
    Youk and AJ would be a great fit.

  • ruby2626

    How’d the Dodgers get that Korean pitcher so cheap? Not counting the $25M posting fee which he does not get his contract was only $6M per year for 6 years. On the open market doesn’t a middle of the rotation starter nowadays get closer to $10M

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      It’s because he wasn’t on the open market – he could negotiate with one team, and one team only. That reduces leverage massively – it’s the same reason draft picks don’t get nearly the amount of money they would get on the open market (setting aside CBA restrictions).

  • Leo L

    i also think they did ok with steweart at third. his defense will atleast help some of the pitchers (but not in the win/loss column). and if he surprises then great. but with the choices out there it was like throwing money out the window. the hard part of this is that the cubs look like they are going to suck for sure. I think last year there was some hope with the statring rotation (which was not that bad as 2/3 got traded and garza got hurt instead). there was some hope that Ian stewart woudl be ok. that Rizzo woudl come up and help, that our outfield would hold thier own, Soto would stop the even and odd years of being good and bad (he did but the wrong way), marmol and wood would be ok and that castro would continue to grow into a power hitter. but this year there just seems to be no hope. We want to see the cubs make progress but i think third base this year would have been a waste on even a different player but i would like to see the cubs go after anibel sanchez . HE can be quality for a few years not just a stop gag like any other thrid baseman would have been.

  • Ben

    I wonder if now that the Royals have a crowded rotation, that we could move Marmol + Barney for Hochevar + prospects. If we eat the difference in Marmol’s contract and Hochevar’s contract, we probably could get a couple of good prospects. Maybe a 5-10 guy, and a 15-20 guy? I’m a huge Darwin Barney fan, especially since defense isn’t paid in arbitration. But, a chance to get some high impact prospects by taking someone they don’t want off their hands, and giving them useful parts at no financial cost to them seems like a solid move. He’s exactly the kind of player the Royals need at 2nd base.

    • Cedlandrum

      Why would the Cubs want Hochevar? He has a pretty good track record of not being what they thought he would be.

      • Ben

        Mainly as a favor to the Royals. I think he’s as close to dead money as it gets, so it would hopefully allow for better prospects to come back. He could man the rotation until Baker is ready, then we could cut him. It’s all about getting as much in return as possible.

        • Bob

          ????

          • Ben

            Think of it as the same as when we brought Volstad back from the Marlins. We took his money off their hands. Sure, we hoped he would turn it around with us, but odds were against it. Same with Hochevar. It saves the Royals money, and we can possibly use him as a 5th starter until Baker is fully healthy. The Royals currently have no use for Hochevar. Shields, Davis, Chen, Guthrie, Paulino, and Duffy are all candidates for their rotation.

        • BluBlud

          huh

    • Kansas Cubs Fan

      The Royals don’t need 2B help.

  • willis

    With payroll where it is, and with the age of someone like Sanchez, not to mention there are no pitching prospects anywhere near ready, I can’t understand where this move to go hard after him doesn’t make sense.

    I’m in on this rebuild to a point, but when someone who can surely be a part of that, is just sitting out there, and you as an organization have the money to get him and refuse to even kick the tires? That’s when it gets very frustrating.

  • 2much2say

    You keep Soriano instead of 6 years of Hamilton and add Bourn.
    Bourn Youk and AJ would provide the Cubs with speed, power and the ever elusive TANGIBLE’s.

    • Cubbie Blues

      Don’t forget scrap, grit and being able to take a punch. Oh, and we aren’t looking to do anything at catcher. Bourn is a slap hitting aging speed guy and Youkilis looks to be going to the Yankees for $12Mil. That is way too much for someone that is going to be hurt for 25% of the year, is declining and is older than old.

  • BluBlud

    Sanchez should be priority number 1. If he doesn’t sign with us, it better be because he doesn’t wanna play for the Cubs and not cause the Cubs didn’t pursue him. Hopefully we sign Sanchez and Bourn, but I doubt either of those things happen. I really don’t understand what the hell Theo and Co. are doing. I support the rebuild, but come on man.

    I would also take going after Sanchez and trying to trade for Julio Borbon from Texas. I havent read where he available, but he’s not the untouchable type. That would give us a 28 year old pitcher and a 27 year old(on opening day) CF that would fit in well with-in our rebuild.

    • willis

      As it stands right now, the current rotation has two guys coming off elbow injuries, so no guarantees they will be healthy or ready by the beginning of the season. Not going after a solid starting pitcher is simply a slap in every fan’s face.

      And Sanchez for 5 years makes an insane amount of sense.

  • BluBlud

    Also, Why do I keep hearing people scream that we need a catcher? I though Castillo was our catcher of the future.

  • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

    Schierholtz and Stewart still aren’t official and the 40-man is still at 39.

    It irks me that there’s never been a reporter out there who can find the sources to take care of the hardcore fans who care about this stuff. I know the front offices like to be secretive, but it would be wonderful to hear stuff like “Schierholtz is on vacation with his family and won’t be able to come take the physical for another week” or “Cubs think they are close on a minor trade and are waiting for it before moving forward with the roster formalities” or whatever the case may be.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I think their broader audiences don’t care about that kind of stuff (the roster stuff), and wouldn’t want to be inundated with tedium.

      But, yes, there is a large contingent of folks who do care about that kind of stuff. It may just take time – eventually, either the mainstream media will take up that banner, or access for smaller, niche media (like BN) will gain access.

      • Cubbie Blues

        Or, BN employs someone with credentials to live in the Chicago area on a full time basis with a full per diem.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I’ll deny it from this moment forward, but that isn’t an impossibility at some point in the future.

          • Cubbie Blues

            That would be very cool. And Permalink saved.

          • http://www.casualcubsfan.com hansman1982

            I accept per diem pay…you need a Des Moines affiliate!!!

      • Cerambam

        Maybe we should all send in light bulbs until they grant you access?

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com/ Kyle

        I thought about asking the players directly. Nate Schierholtz doesn’t have a Twitter. Ian Stewart may not be answering my questions these days.

  • Rizzo 44

    Everyone wants younger win now players. So heres a few to get better now. A three team trade between the Indians, Cubs, and Dbacks. Cubs get Justin Upton and Lonnie Chisenhall, the Indians get Trevor Bauer, Brett Jackson, DeJesus, McNutt, and Lake, Dbacks get Asdrubal Cabrera and Matt Garza. Next trade Cubs and Rockies Cubs get Dexter Fowler and the Rockies get Vitters, Dan Vogelbach, Marmol (5M), and Dillon Maples. That would give the Cubs some young players. I know everyone will say these trades can’t happen and wnt happen. We can get young through trades. I stil say sign Hamilton o 4-5 year deal.

    • Frank

      So the Cubs get Upton, Chisenhall and Fowler, and give up Jackson, DeJesus, McNutt, Lake, Garza, Vitters, Vogelbach, Marmol and Maples?

      • Kansas Cubs Fan

        Wow best trade EVER!!!!!

    • Ab

      Te first one seems reasonable and is great for the cubs, but the second one is stupid IMO

  • Chad

    Cubs need to get some pitching in one of those deals or it isn’t going to matter if they can hit the ball.

  • Chad

    Crap and the Indians come out smelling like a dang rose

  • DocPeterWimsey

    know everyone will say these trades can’t happen and wnt happen. We can get young through trades.

    The reason why we say these trades won’t happen is because they are so one-sided in favor of the Cubs: the Cubs FO would lose all credibility with other GMs for suggesting such things. Think about it: the Dbacks lose Upton and Bauer for Cabrera and Garza? Towers should be sacked if he agrees to that!

    That’s how you have to look at these trades: how glad/angry would they make you if you were a fan of the other team(s) involved?

    Moreover, why do you want players like Fowler or Hamilton on the Cubs? Do you really think that Fowler will be productive outside of Denver? Do you really think that Hamilton will be productive in 2-3 years time?

  • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Anyone know what kind of trade value Porcello has? Would Soriano and Jackson be enough to get it done?

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