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Pending physicals, the Cubs’ pitching staff is about to get crazy deep …

  • BOOM: Patrick Mooney reports that the Cubs have signed Edwin Jackson to a four-year, $52 million deal, pending a physical.
  • The following bullets were from before that Mooney report, so they may sound a bit off – still useful stuff, though.
  • Dave Kaplan reports that the Cubs are in “prime position,” per sources, to land Edwin Jackson. Given that we’ve heard from multiple sources that the Cubs are the favorite, and we’ve started hearing numbers – four years, $52 million, the tea leaves are really strongly pointing to the Cubs getting their man. Kap adds that the Christmas holiday could hold up the timing of an announcement, but …
  • Jackson’s former teammate in Washington certainly thinks Jackson has come to an agreement today, tweeting, “Congrats to my boy @EJ36 for his big deal today. You will be missed, couldn’t of happened to an amazing friend and great pitcher.” That doesn’t mean it’s the Cubs, obviously, but it sure seems likely.
  • Another former teammate – Matt Garza – continues to suggest that Jackson is coming to the Cubs. Adding a bit more to his cryptic tweets earlier (asking what uniform Jackson might wear), Garza notes that he “knows Jackson really well.” Which could mean that Garza knows Jackson wants to come to the Cubs, or it could mean simply that Garza knows uniform number is very important to Jackson. Obviously the former makes slightly more sense, but, once again, this isn’t a confirmation that the Cubs are definitely getting him.
  • Speaking of Garza, and this will obviously become the subject of a great deal more discussion if and when the Jackson signing is made official, Kap says that he hears from agents that the Cubs don’t plan on flipping any of the pitchers they’ve signed. But Kap doesn’t hear the same thing about Garza (implying that the Cubs could deal with their glut of starting pitchers by dealing Garza – to which I say, “still virtually impossible to trade him until he shows he’s healthy”).
  • On Carlos Villanueva, whom we heard about earlier today and last night, multiple reports now have the deal as done, pending a physical. So that’s the status there.
  • I’ll wait for just a bit more confirmation before delving deeply into the implications of the moves (roster, rotation, plans, etc.), and the substance of the deals. Instant reaction is: I love the depth it gives the Cubs, and I love the options it gives them. I think each deal is very fair in this market, and the arrow is pointing up.

UPDATE: Ken Rosenthal’s sources also tell him that the Cubs and Jackson are in agreement on a four-year, $52 million deal.

UPDATE the Second: Jon Heyman and Jim Bowden enter the fray, and also confirm on Jackson. By the way, Bowden was the one who started this whole discussion of the Cubs and Jackson actually potentially happening this week, so he probably deserves some credit.

UPDATE the Third: Heyman says there’s no no-trade clause in Jackson’s deal, which was never really a concern.

UPDATE the Fourth: Probably worth linking back to my take on Jackson as a target for the Cubs from earlier this week. I’ll have much more on him and the rotation in the coming days/weeks/etc. The Cubs’ situation has changed pretty dramatically in the last two days, even if these two pitchers don’t actually suddenly turn them into a playoff contender.

  • D Rich

    This is what I feel about the Cubs

    Listen to Lou Brown

    http://youtu.be/muU_80U_TWI

  • Ryan

    I like the signings. It gives the Cubs the ability to compete next year – not as a favorite, but to stay in games – which is important, I think, for the young guys (Castro, Rizzo, et al) that the Cubs are developing. You don’t want them to have to wait until 2015 till they’re on a club that can stay in games – that couldn’t be good for their development.

    Also, this way the Cubs can flip Garza for a prospect or two (once he proves he’s healthy) without having to trot out a Volstad type every five days – that was painful.

    All in all, good moves Cubbies! Didn’t sign any position player FA’s that will block the guys on the farm – which is where the real future is – and got enough pitching to keep it interesting till then.

    Who knows, maybe if the stars align the club will be able to mix it up in their division next year and at least keep it interesting.

  • Tim

    What a great day to be a Cubs fan! I have always liked Edwin Jackson, and I cannot understand why people aren’t on board with signing him. He has postseason experience, we are paying for him in his prime years (29-32), he has plus stuff, what’s not to like? Plus all of these low cost, low risk/high upside signings (Baker, Feldman, Villenueva, Wade) are pitching staff is DEEP. We lack a true #1 starter, but most teams do. There are only 6 of them in baseball (Strasburg, Price, CC, Verlander, Cain, Kershaw) unless I am forgetting someone.

    Our offense is going to be below average, but the off-season is not done. Plus, who expected us to contend this season? I think our rotation is good enough to contend for a playoff spot. This is the second consecutive solid off-season for our FO. Keep up the solid work Theo and Jed

    • Cory

      You could easily include Felix, Weaver, Sale, and Greinke. I still consider Lee and Halladay on the bubble. To your point we are loaded with pitching depth and could have some of these guys in there peak years. Shark has loads of potential and Jackson could still see some improvements finally having the comfort of longish term contract and some coaching stability

      • hogie

        Sale has had one season as a starter and Greinke, to me, is one of the most overrated pitchers in baseball. Other than that you are right, there is a lot of potential for both the short and long term. I think Villaneuva could be a very valuable peice as well. I think Feldman could end up being an odd man out when everyone is healthy.

        • Cory

          I give Sale credit there is no doubt that he was dominant and has the stuff to have continued #1 type success. Also think Greinke is baseballs most overrated pitcher u its hard to argue with the money he just got obviously people much more informed then us see him as a 1. As for Feldman i would not be the least bit surprised to see him succeed in NL and away from Texas its going to be a very exciting spring can’t wait!!!

  • Cubfandan

    Hate the Jackson signing. Too much for mediocrity.

    • MichiganGoat

      In today’s market under 15M for a pitcher that consistently gives 200 innings, .500+ win %, is a pretty good deal.

      • N8theGr8

        This Guy ^

      • wilbur

        Agree strongly …

    • Kevin B

      Too much? Well what do you think he is worth in the market? 3-4 other teams had $12 and $13 million per year deals on the table for him. This is not a lot of money in baseball these days. In fact I think it was 13.3 million for qualifying offers for FA this season and that is supposed to be the like the average of the top 120 players in baseball, something like that.

      With TV contracts the teams are inking prices are going to explode. This will be a steal.

      And you say to much or mediocrity? What is medicore about Jackson? He can give you 200 innings – an era under 4 (yes it was a tad over this year but metrics showed he pitched much better and I am not interested in his career ERA but maybe what it was for the last 3 years which was good). He is not medicore. He is a good pitcher, not an Ace or #2 but those are hard to find. Hell the Tigers are paying Sancez $15 million as their number 4 starter! Jackson is our number 3 and even if he should be a number 4 or 5 he is frankly being paid like it.

      A great signing. We are a much better team today and Jackson on a 4 year deal is now part of the future, a piece that will be there when we are making pennant runs in the next few years.

  • baldtaxguy

    Just looking at past posts here, below is a summary of the aquisitions since the season ended. All pitchers with exception of Navarro.

    10/24 Carlos Gutierrez
    11/2 Zach Putnam
    11/13 Scott Baker
    11/15 Dioner Navarro
    11/19 Shawn Camp
    11/20 Barret Loux
    11/27 Scott Feldman
    12/1 Kyuji Fujikawa
    12/7 Andrew Carpenter
    12/12 Sandy Rosario
    12/16 Jensen Lewis
    12/17 Chang-Yong Lim
    12/20 Cory Wade
    12/20 Carlos Villenueva
    12/20 Edwin Jackson

    • MichiganGoat

      And zero no trade clauses and quite affordable, good work Theo.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Why no Stewart, Schieholtz, offensive minor league deal guys?

      • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

        Brett you have titled this topic ” sign all the mediocre pitchers” . The good ones have already been signed.

      • baldtaxguy

        Ooops. I pulled these from your “Chicago Cubs Transactions” directory and those two must not have been within, and I forgot them. Is there a list somewhere?

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I was just thinking off the top of my head – they should have been in there, but I may have mistagged them when first publishing them. Although Schierholtz wouldn’t be in there because it hasn’t officially happened yet. I try to wait for the officially-official to tag something as a transaction.

    • Carne Harris

      I know we picked up Edwin “Grand Slam” Maysonet too. But still useful, thanks. I’m going back and changing the roster on MLB 2k12 so I can play with the current Cubs team. Was starting to lose track.

      • Muck

        I can’t believe we signed that guy. Maysonet. I was at the game he hit the Grand Slam he sucksssss

        • Muck

          Well just cuz he was with the Brewers and I hate the Brewers

        • Carne Harris

          That was like the highlight of his YEAR. And of course it came against us.

      • Carew

        I do that too! Its annoying ro adjust everything but I like to keep the real roster

        • Carne Harris

          Same here. Plus I’m way back on PS2 so couldn’t believe it when I realized they were still making MLB games for it. Almost like I’m not console-challenged.

  • nkniacc13

    Well Look at the minors almost all cubs top prospects are postion players. So sign pitchers let all of your prospects develop without rushing them and trade pitchers which tends to be the easiest thing to trade at the deadline

  • ssckelley

    The starting pitching staff is going to look much different at the start of next season compared to what it ended last season with. No more Germano, Raley, Rusin, Volstad, and Berken.

  • KYCub

    I really like this…Now let’s get a CF and a 3B and we can at least COMPETE….Like it!!!

  • Tim

    Well, it is time to go to bed possibly for the last time. If the world ends tomorrow it has been a pleasure. Good day

  • terry

    This is what is wrong in the world, people have the right to their opinions, just because it isn’t the same as the ones who think they know all, it doesn’t make them a troll. As a life long cub fan, I’m all for whatwas said from the start to build up the farm. But that in no way means you have to field a AAA team, or except loosing. There is never a guarantee that prospects will become stars. If youre willing to lose for two or three years waiting on them and they don’t work out, then what? In saying that I hope they all become big stars I don’t except losing and I won’t say let’s lose now. Who does that? I never post here because I like so many others will be called a troll because my opinion is the majority. But I’m not a troll just a fan that refused to say losing is exceptable.

    • MichiganGoat

      Correct you are not a troll because you disagree with moves and directions. One becomes trollish when their primary objective is to muddy up a site with overaggressive banter about Theo being dumb, Ricketts as being cheap, and anyone who trust the FO as being a sheep. Its trollish behavior when someone actively calls out another poster just to start an argument. I think the plan I laid out is the best solution when you face someone that wants to argue. I am sorry that I was caught up in another discussion like this and will do my best stay out of these discussions- even when I’m directly called out. GO CUBS GO.

      • gutshot5820

        So says the number one TROLL whose goes online all day attacking people.

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          I hate cutting in on these arguments but why keep on with the instigating gutshot? Drop the argument, and quit the immaturity. Neither is good for the site. End O story.

          • cubsnivy56

            Thank you!

        • James

          This.

      • Kevin B

        Well said Michigan

        • MichiganGoat

          thanks

      • cubsnivy56

        Hey Chicago wahttaya say…………..

      • gutshot5820

        Goat, what is wrong with you, you are truly living in a bubble? Terry is saying he doesn’t post because he does not want to get bashed and pounded by guys like you.

        Just because you have a few regular posters that think like you and come online to support you does not mean you are right or that you are not a troll. You are definitely in a bubble, because if you think that you do not go online all day long, attacking and rebuking people when they disagree with Theo, then I have nothing to say.

    • Kevin B

      Terry I may be missing something but why would anyone have an issue with your comments?

      You want to build a farm system and feel a team can be fielded that can compete while doing so? You do not want to accept losing. Prospects do not always become stars you say.

      I agree with everything you said so if you are a troll so am I.

      • MichiganGoat

        nobody does, there are just some that constantly want to argue, be aggressive, and hates it when anyone disagrees with them. Disagreeing with moves is not being a troll, screaming and yelling and the calling people out continually is trollish behavior.

        • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

          Candidly anyone that is constantly on here sugar coating everything is a troll as well. They just blow everything out of proportion in an over zealous way which insults level headed thinkers. Every time the cubs almost sign someone everybody says let’s get him and then when he signs with somebody else everyone says he stinks or we didn’t want him. That’s trolling behavior at its worst. Just be factual and everything will be fine.

          • MichiganGoat

            good points, but I can see past that behavior- its just reactionary defense (like when the girl you’ve been after denies you and you say “I didn’t really want her anyway”) its the constant baiting behavior and only using an online forum to instigate conflict that is true troll internet behavior. But yeah the I want him, hes a bum behavior is quite annoying.

            • gutshot5820

              Goat, for a guy who just claimed he is going to take the high road, you are quite the liar. You should have been a political Goat. You definitely are two-faced. You go around trolling all day long and now you are trying to explain to everyone what a true TROLL is? are you going to submit that to wiki? I guess only a true TROLL would know the true definition of a TROLL.

              I’m not surprised that you lied in your previous post because I see that’s in your nature now. You will say whatever you want and post it online to act as if you are someone that is honorable when you are actually a two-faced bitch.

              I know before I retired, I could spot people like you at work a mile away. They change their opinions to whatever they think people want to hear and try to make themselves look better in front of the bosses at the expense of other people.

              In one mouth you claim other people are trolls, in the other you bad mouth them and say people who bad mouth other people are trolls. I see people like you at school and at work and it truly irks me.

              • TWC

                I know before I retired, I could spot people like you at work…

                OK, grampa, we’ll get off your lawn. You can put down that cane you’re shaking.

                I see people like you at school…

                Oh, I see. You’re really in high school. You meant when you “retired” from 8th grade.

                Cool.

                • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

                  I was waiting for someone to call that out. Thank you for not making me do it TWC.

                  • gutshot5820

                    Haha, that’s great all the Theo trolls and sheep in one place.

                    MichiganGoat, Someday, TWC.

                    I guess it’s sheep shearing season.

                    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

                      Gutshot do you even re-read your comments before you post them? First you said you were retired. Then you said you go to school and have a job. Are those classes for pottery? Knitting school? Is your job helping the other elderly? You contradicted yourself so badly that you can’t even own up to it. Again, quit the immaturity and instigating, neither do any good.

                    • gutshot5820

                      I am retired and I’m in my early forties. I worked ten years in the financial industry and ten years as a professional poker player. I was assuming you understood what I meant about school and work. But I guess that’s asking too much from a guy who just called out someone for acting like a child when at the same time posting an immature sissy comment.

                    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

                      “I know before I retired, I could spot people like you at work from a mile away.”

                      “I see people like you at school AND AT WORK and it truly irks me.”

                      You really don’t see how you contradicted yourself?

                    • gutshot5820

                      Someday, gosh you are boring. Your comment made me snooze. You don’t even know how to criticize properly.

                      I guess you feel a little bit lonely because your other online bullies are not here to defend you?

                    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

                      Criticizing someone and asking a question are two different things. I have never directly insulted you. I have said multiple times that your arguments against others are childish and immature. You reply to my comments by saying im immature. gutshot, I usually try to avoid people like you and after this post I will do so. I am sorry for waisting your time and I advise you to not reply because I won’t be awake to see your comment, nor will I care about your response. Good night.

                • The Dude

                  He’s see people at school and work, all while being “retired,” In a van … Down by the river.

                  I even made the quote un-quote finger gesture for that one.

                  • gutshot5820

                    Dude, you act like you are a nice guy and then act like a jerk. Whatever, I don’t hold back either but you are fake dude.

                • gutshot5820

                  TWC Haha, I knew you would be back.

                  So, I guess your comments do not make YOU a troll?

                  You are the epitome of TROLL. I guess you had to come online to defend your other troll.

                  I don’t even need to read your quotes, in fact I didn’t read the one you just wrote. i already know what you wrote:

                  1/ You put poster’s words in a quotation mark
                  2/ Disparaging remark towards other poster
                  3/ Act like you are not a TROLL

                  I’m pretty sure without reading that I’m right. You are so obviously boring, get a new routine, it’s getting old.

                  • TWC

                    Yo, you dope, I’m *clearly* trolling you, and you’re *clearly* falling for it every time. You must be pretty dim not to have realized this yet.

                    My goodness. Grow up, kid.

                    • gutshot5820

                      Get lost idiot. You want to meet me in person and say what you just said? You are not only a troll but a coward that hides behind a keyboard.

                      You can keep typing your derogatory comments and put words in quotations along with your nasty remarks towards other people, and keep flaunting your idiotic cool online persona. How pathetic.

                • MichiganGoat

                  Hey TWC buddy, fellow sheep, you missed a great beer discussion this morning about Founders and Upland brews.

                  • gutshot5820

                    So I guess in your definition, TWC is not a troll. You are such a hypocrite man. There you go again sucking up to someone that decided to troll someone else’s remarks that even by your standards would/should be called a troll but I guess his remarks are ok? Why?

                    LMAO, you are such a HYPOCRITE!

                    • Kansas Cubs Fan

                      Beating a dead horse much? Give it a rest dude.

                      Go to Cubs.com where you will be appreciated.

                    • gutshot5820

                      Another obvious sheep. Do you think I cannot spot one of his sheep friends? Bias much? Why don’t you go to Cubs.com?

                • The Dude

                  gutshot, you got a good point. I will say, that I made that comment before the other, more “let’s get along” comments. But it was more about the comical opportunity than any dig. Ya dig.

          • cubsnivy56

            With all due respect I disagree with your definition of a troll. The type of poster you describe is misinformed, reacts emotionally (rah rah, boo hiss), and perhaps is not very intelligent. Certainly doesn’t organize their thoughts well. Personally I think it is best to ignore the comment and move on to something more interesting. There are plenty of good posters to read.

            When I think of a “troll” I think of the posters who resort to insults and name calling when someone disagrees and is aggressive in looking for those opportunities. A troll doesn’t realize when their comments begin to lack intelligence. A troll is like a playground bully.

            • MichiganGoat

              Good points, but then again I’m a lying sheep I guess ;)

              • gutshot5820

                Goat, yes you are a lying sheep. But i have to give you credit, you should have been a political sheep.You change your positions when to where the wind blows and claim them as your own. You say one thing and do another. Yes, you are no longer attacking me directly, but now you are trying to insult me indirectly by attaching your derogatory comments to other people’s posts. Sneaky sheep.

        • The Dude

          gutshot, I’m not a very regular poster but a regular reader. Calling someone a troll is inviting argument, and to that point, MG could chill-ax a bit, but you def have a tendency to move the conversation away from the topic. I like reading perspective on the Cubs, not poster pissing contests. When you get down to commenting on baseball, I enjoy the perspective but the other stuff is tiresome.

          Just my two-cents, and that even worth a dollar.

          • The Dude

            Can I make one clean post?! Damn you, Hangar 24 Russian Imperial Stout!

            • MichiganGoat

              Great brew I’m finishing up my growler of Founders Dirty Bastard- night

            • The Dude

              Nice! I’m bringing some Cali craft brews back to tha Chi for my brother tomorrow. This treat was mine though, so I told him they only had chilled bottles. Genius!

              • The Dude

                It was limit 1 per customer

                • MichiganGoat

                  That’s why you always bring a handful of non-beer drinking people with you.

                • The Dude

                  For sure. I’m just getting into the craft scene and finding that it’s very competitive. Luckily, the girl working was very knowledgable on all the brews and helped me out. I’m typically a more “commercialized” craft lover. Stone IPA, Firestone Walker IPA, and that more well known elk.

          • cubsnivy56

            The dude abides……whatever that means, anyway I agree with what you said!

          • gutshot5820

            Dude, you are entitled to your opinion and welcome to ignore me. As a matter of point, do you see me attacking/trolling everyone on this board? The only person i have a problem is with the Goat, unfortunately his sheep friends always want to pile on.

            The only reason I attack the Goat is because he is continually all day long attacking other people and I can’t stand it. As soon as he starts, his same three-four buddies start piling on. There are MANY posters that do not post because they see what happens when they disagree with any of those guys. People that are generally well tolerated are the ones that are rah rah for Theo.

            I apologize for derailing the Cubs talk, but sometimes i have to attack them too so they know what it feels like and let other people voice their own opinion without getting bashed all the time.

            • BWA

              Theres also many posters who would rather not have to read through 5 pages of argument about whose a troll. WHO CARES! Let it go and stop instigating

              • calicubsfan007

                @BWA: THANK YOU!!!! I am thinking the same thing.

                • gutshot5820

                  Thank you? Comical. You just added more fire to the log and then thanked someone requesting not to do so. YOU belong in the idiot crowd with everyone else. I doubt you were thinking.

                  • calicubsfan007

                    Look, while I respectfully disagree with that comment about me that you just made, I don’t want to get mad. We are both Cubs fans, right? So, why the animosity? And have a Merry Christmas.

                  • calicubsfan007

                    And gutshot, I am sorry for whatever made you so angry. I am not trying to add anything to anything, I just think arguing over what is the definition of troll is stupid. I hate the word in general because people overuse the hell out of the word. And please don’t call me an idiot.

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Hey Cali, Jr just got me up and I see IT is still going on, It’s best not to further engage and talk Cubs. So who of our 7 pitchers do you see not making the rotation?

                    • gutshot5820

                      Believe it or not, you can scroll through every blog and when I am making a comment, it is usually in response to someone attacking me. I almost never make the first comment, I am usually responding to someone making a verbal assault at me. Today, I did make ONE comment to the goat and of course all his online bullies came flooding to make verbal insults at me.

                      I will not let some these same four or five guys that are online bullies talk like that to people, including myself. They have a gang like mentality and I’m sick of it. There are a lot of posters that agree with me 100% but do not post here because they are afraid of getting attacked by them and it’s not worth it.

                      And I apologize if I offended you. It;s an auto reflex now that I am getting attacked by his friends.

                      Btw, I live in Cali now too. I purchased MLB package so I could watch all the Cubs game last year. I definitely hope the games this year will be more exciting. merry Christmas to you too!

                    • DarthHater

                      Goat, you miserable troll! There you go instigating again by trying to change the subject to baseball! You think we can’t see through your hypocritical trickery, you ridiculous ruminant???

                    • calicubsfan007

                      @MG: Feldman is the odd man out once or if Baker comes back and does well. If Baker comes back and Volstads it, then Baker is the odd man out.

                    • DarthHater

                      I was confused there until I realized you were using “Volstad” as a verb. Nicely done. ;-)

                    • MichiganGoat

                      Darth, my fellow sheep lord, I just can’t help myself talk about baseball it’s a real flaw.

                    • calicubsfan007

                      And gutshot, no worries. I understand that feeling of being backed into a corner, it sucks. I just don’t like insults thrown at me when I am genuinely not trying to start anything. Just don’t run into my neighborhood in a dark alley when I am rollin! (= I too hope that the games will be worth watching this year, as I do every year.

                    • DarthHater

                      I think all we need to know about goats is summed up right here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQnbgmcc-ko

                    • calicubsfan007

                      @Darth: Yes, I am petitioning Webster to add that to the dictionary. (=

                    • MichiganGoat

                      @Cali yeah I see Feldman on the bubble but I thought we told him he was here to start. I think TWood & CV are bullpen bound if everyone is healthy and no trades.

                    • gutshot5820

                      “Every time I try to get out, THEY pull me back in.”

                      Can’t you just shuddup? No one was talking to you. You had to be an ass and add one more comment. Go back to your mother’s basement and play your video games.

                    • calicubsfan007

                      @MG: I really don’t want CV to be in the bullpen. He will have a chip on his shoulder to prove everyone that he is a legit starter and durable enough.

          • The Dude

            Honestly, gutshot, I see your point. But MG is a solid poster here and he’s been for a long time. It’s hard to find a popular Cubs source that doesn’t look read like a Yahoo article on gun control in the comments section. He’s just trying to protect a great, great site for Cubs discussion.

            But, yeah, dude, no one likes to be called a troll. I think you guys need to soften your stances with each other.

            • MichiganGoat

              I’ve agreed to leave him alone and yet he continues with this behavior.

              • gutshot5820

                Goat you ultimate two-faced TROLL. You wrote me a love letter saying you were going to stop trolling me and you like a slimeball add disparaging comments referencing me onto other people’s post and now you are crying that you were a good guy and you did nothing?

                i guess based on all your other actions and words, this is no surprise. You are really something to behold. The hypocrisy that flows out of your tongue.

              • The Dude

                This is disheartening, to say the least.

  • Mikelach13

    As Theo said, we need waves of pitching, and the Cubs have little in the high minors.

    Keep ‘em coming!!! Pitching wins!

  • http://bleacherndingation.com frank hutch

    Just looking at the 2010 mlb draft. I know its hard to tell yet but that draft looks like it was horrible. Hayden simpson probably wont be in baseball in a couple years. Guy is brutal

  • another JP

    We might finally have an area of strengh to deal from with all the pitching we’ve acquired this off-season. When you think about it, what could Theo and Jed really trade at this time last year that teams wanted? With the exception of Sean Marshall, absolutely nothing. A lot of people might also think Matt Garza but no team was willing to deal away decent prospects for him after the way we fleeced the Padres for Rizzo. Hopefully in the next year we can flip some of our pitchers for some decent position players who’ll help us score more runs

    • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

      That’s a trolling post. You are saying that nobody wanted to deal with theo because he fleeced the padres. That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve read and you qualify for a troll award.

      • MichiganGoat

        I think you’re over using the Troll moniker

        From wikipedia:

        An internet troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response

        This response was just a opinion that you didn’t agree with big difference

        • James

          If MG thinks you’re overusing the troll moniker, you know you’ve home too far.

          Or more likely you just used it on someone he agrees with.

          • MichiganGoat

            Alright gunshot has a friend you guys play nice, it’s good to have friends.

            • calicubsfan007

              @MG: Simmer down hombre. No need to respond.

              • MichiganGoat

                Good advice I really need to stop doing this ;) Goodnight Cali I really need to sleep before Jr gets me up again.

                • calicubsfan007

                  Night dude, get some sleep. (=

      • another JP

        And you win the projection award my friend. Merry Christmas.

  • jt

    While not the ’71 ‘0s, they should now be able to win some close games.
    Seems it may be a fun brand of bb to watch. At the same time the farm was not traded away.
    I’d give the FO some credit as to a job well done.

  • The Dude

    Up in dis! Happy Holidays all! I think it’s a very solid signing. As long as people keep their expectations in perspective, I’ll think they’ll really grow to like this signing once EJ starts pitching. Good fastball/slider pitcher. For the record, the only time I’ve been know to troll is in the bar.

    • The Dude

      Reply to my own quote? Why, yes. I also think that anyone willing to truly “bash” this signing comes across as a strictly reactionary thinker. Salaries aren’t getting any cheaper. This salary will never cripple the Cubs, and 2014-16 should be right in the wheelhouse for some competitive Cubs teams. He’ll be the #4 starter. To me, that’s solid!

      • Tobias

        I like the signing from two perspectives: 1. Although Jackson doesn’t throw any complete games he does eat up innings with a 10 year career avg of 197 and 2. He doesn’t walk too many batters. In 2012, Jackson struck out 168 and walked 58 in 189 innings. Jackson should give the Cubs the innings that will allow the bullpen some rest on the days he pitches.

      • Kevin B

        Well put Dude!

      • The Dude

        Thanks, bro! I say that baseball is my one “nerd” passion – because I love the business side as much as the games. We all got one, and I’m glad mine isn’t WOW.

        So, I listen to MLB radio on the way into work, and the clueless old school commentary on there baffles me, at times. They thought it was preposterous(!!!) that the Cubs would spend, *gasp* 13(!!!)M(!!!) on a pitcher when they’re not in the discussion as World Series contenders. As if, this year was some anomaly when it comes to FA pitcher salaries, and the Cubs made a very boneheaded move.

        Anyway, it’s a solid move. No more, no less. I’m just pleased that the Cubs look like a franchise that hit bottom, and is now showing signs of growth on all fronts.

  • MichiganGoat

    Okay I’m finished for the evening, everyone please don’t encourage or acknowledge the elephant retired 8th grader troll in the room. Its only here to stir shit up tonight and responding directly to it serves no purpose.

    Good day for the Cubs and good night everyone.

    • The Dude

      Take it easy bro

  • FFP

    In 8 to 18 months teams will be looking for pitchers, Ray. Teams will most definitely be looking for pitchers.
    A good day. Good for 2013. Good for down the road.

  • taits

    Can someone tell me the top 5 3b prospects in the game and which organizations they’re in… Thanks in advance

    • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

      My top 5

      Castellanos – Tigers
      Olt – Rangers
      Sano – Twins
      Rendon – Nationals
      Kowart – Angels

  • Kevin B

    In no particular order some of the top 3B prospects in the minors are:

    Miguel Sano – Twins
    Anthony Rendon – Nationals
    Nolen Arenado – Rockies
    Mike Olt – Rangers
    Nick Casellanos – Tigers
    Will Middlebrooks – Red Sox
    Jedd Gyorko – Padres

  • ActionJackson

    I really like Jedd Gyorko. He can play 3rd and 2nd. Hits for average and has high OBP and hits for power and plays very good defense.

  • Roy Hobbs

    Gutshot is the man.

    That is all.

  • Spencer

    IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD!!! Let’s drink.

    • MichiganGoat

      Already there a full growler of Dirty Bastard finished

      • Spencer

        nice! I think I’m going to do the bulk of my drinking tomorrow upon officially surviving.

  • Joepoe123

    Of opurseThe cubs get some what good the day before the world ends :(

  • jt

    Garza, Shark, Wood and Jackson combined for 103 starts in 2012. Garza’s last start lasted only 3 IP and resulted in no ER’s. Discounting that start their combined 102 starts had a total of 48 games in which they allowed 2 or fewer ER’s in which they pitched at least 6 innings. Using a less strict standard, there were 57 games in which they pitched at least 5 innings and allowed 2 or fewer ER’s.
    It is plausible that all but Jackson will have more starts in 2013. It is also plausible that about 50% of the games the foresome start will be low scoring.
    Using the assumption that a single manufactured run in more valuable in a pitcher’s duel than a slug fest then the value a stolen base or perhaps two stolen bases in a single inning by a single player should also increase in value.
    Depending upon how good the SP’ing, BP and defense perform and how badly the offense works a base-stealer, even used as just a pinch runner and defensive replacement, my become a good use of a roster spot

  • The Dude

    Getting tired. Anyone wanna talk about the transactions, and the Cubs? Going once…

    • calicubsfan007

      @The Dude: I am jumping onto this window of opportunity. I am psyched about getting CV, he is underrated and a clubhouse leader. Not sure about Jackson, but another good arm is a welcome arm.

    • The Dude

      I like Jackson for his predictability. I think that’s a really valuable commodity to have on a team in transition. I would love to be proven wrong, but I don’t think the Cubs will be playoff-competitive next year, but 2014 seems well within reach. They’ll need a EJ in the rotation going forward.

      What about the outfield? Do you see the Cubs going after a Michael Bourne? To me, this is a tough one because I think they’d love to him on a 3 yr deal but predicting his market could cause them to lose out on other respectable options. I think that’s why they signed Schierholtz. He offers a fall back option to waiting on the right guy at the right deal.

      • calicubsfan007

        @The Dude: Personally, I wouldn’t mind having Bourne initially, but I think he will suck after one or two years into the contract. If we get him for a steal, then I am all for it. Otherwise, no thank you. Besides, odds are that we won’t be serious contenders the first part of his contract. I think we can get someone like Swisher or Ross for a better deal and I would feel more comfortable with that. I know it sounds contradicting, but hear me out. Swisher and Ross aren’t really known for being speedsters, Bourne is. What tends to be the first thing to decline for a player? Their speed.

        • http://bleachernation.com someday…2015?

          All good points cali. I agree 100% on Bourn except I think since he will be 30 this year he still has 2 or 3 years left of 40+ steals. Like you said it has to be a favorable deal.(Bourn has to fall in our lap) I think a 2 year deal with an option for a third year would look very good… I guess I just really like the thought of a 1, 2, 3 of Bourn, Castro, and Rizzo.

      • The Dude

        I honestly think Swisher would rake at Wrigley. To me, his downside is that his name recognition will get him paid an extra 2M/yr. So, I worry about his value. The thing I don’t understand about the competitive window argument is: 1. The Cubs won’t sign Bourne unless his value drops in their lap. So, he wouldn’t be an albatross contract situation. 2. Every time the Cubs sign a good player, the competitive window gets closer.

        Thoughts?

        • MichiganGoat

          I just don’t like Swisher because he always seems like douche but yes for the right price he’s a decent option.

        • calicubsfan007

          @The Dude: Then what would you say about signing of Soriano when the Cubs first signed him? I personally thought the window was pushed back when they signed him because he wanted to be leadoff (which was a stupid idea, I don’t care what the numbers say because he was too much of a free swinger to be an effective leadoff) and he cost so much money that it hindered the Cubs from either adding good FAs or to trade Sori for decent young talent. And the competitve window is so fleeting, teams like the Rays with their payroll were better last year than the Phillies and their payroll. I really think that the window is so fleeting that there is no exact formula, just people have to experiment and implement a solution that works best for their team. What say you?

        • The Dude

          Agree. I don’t like the, “Look at me! I’m edgy!” personality … But I think it plays well on a team. It’s a pretty tough grind these guys go through, and I believe that personality plays well in a clubhouse.

          • calicubsfan007

            @The Dude: I think we kind of need that person with that intensity. sure, Swisher annoys the hell out of me at times, but I think he can light a fire.

          • The Dude

            @calicubsfan007, I’d be fine with Swisher. Just think he’ll be overpaid somewhere else.

        • The Dude

          @calicubsfan007, I think the Soriano deal was misguided. You had Jim Hendry, who was a good talent evaluator and made some solid trades, get snakebitten on the taste of the ’03 team. In ’04 the Cubs never went for it. All the moves were basically roster management-type, ya know, clear this money to address a more pressing need (letting Lofton go, signing Walker)…

          Anyway, long story short, when the pockets opened up to raise team value for the sale, Hendry spent like a drunken Sailor. Bad money started chasing after bad money and the result was rather predictable.

          In today’s game 50M-70M dollar contracts don’t paralyze a team. This offseason, I don’t think there’s any way the Cubs overspend on a guy.

          • calicubsfan007

            @The dude: At this point, I agree 100 percent on the idea that they will not likely overspend on a guy. And I also agree on what caused the Sori signing. If I remember correctly, they forced Hendry to spend like a drunken sailor instead of him really having a choice. And he signed some guys that were once good, but were mediocre to God awful once they reached us. I am not a Hendry fan, I thought he overspent overall on mediocre talent, but I can understand where he was coming from.

          • The Dude

            @cali: My biggest problem with Hendry was his “taking care of his guys” approach. I admit, sometimes the overly cold and calculated approach of this FO makes me believe it’s a little too far in the other direction, but in the end, money talks. When the Cubs are ready to spend big to put a team over the top, the FA will sign. So, I prefer this approach over Hendry’s. I think his mistakes were part direction from above and part human nature. He finally had the money and was gonna spend it come hell or high water.

            • calicubsfan007

              @The Dude: Loyalty existed and worked well for MLB guys when my grampa was my age. It just doesn’t really have a place now a days with it “raining”. It is a shame, but it is what it is.

              • Melrosepad

                But Cali, when your grandpa was your age it wasn’t necessarily loyalty. The players couldn’t go anywhere unless traded (unless you are very young, then I concede the point)

          • Anonnifan

            You can’t evaluate the Soriano signing without bringing up the fact that a guy who played 150 games almost every year of his career injured his knee the first year he was with the Cubs. Soriano was signed as a guy who hit for power and stole bases. His value was based on that rare combination of talents, which he lost immediately due to a very unpredictable injury. The risk with a guy like Michael Bourne isn’t just that he might lose his speed due to age, its also that he might get injured within months of signing and never be the same player again. Power usually recovers from injury, speed usually does not. Bourne has the potential to become an even worse albatross than Soriano because he is a one dimensional player. I wouldn’t cry if we sign him, but I honestly doubt that is the direction the FO is looking to move the team, especially after Theo’s Carl Crawford fiasco.

            • The Dude

              Great points, Anonnifan. Soriano’s contract wasn’t quite the albatross it’s been touted as. To me, the problem was all the other mediocre players making surplus money according to their value.

              I was happy when the Cubs signed Soriano. I just wasn’t happy when I started to realize, that was the limiting factor moving forward. I’ve become a big fan of the guy for his steadfast positive attitude throughout the contract, knowing damn well all the negative press.

          • The Dude

            @cali: You’re right, it doesn’t have a place because the GM’s are supposed to be leaders, so they’ll be good to their guys. However, the players have an agent with, basically, no emotional invest in the player/manager relationship making hard-line negotiations. It’s not a level playing field for the management. Hendry did well, he just romanticized the ’03/’04 players a little too much in the end. It was his downfall.

  • calicubsfan007

    Come on guys, who cares about what the definition of a troll is. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on here, as long as it doesn’t violate people’s rights and/ or the rules on here. Who cares if you disagree? Have a sound logical argument or shut up. The accusations are stupid and hurt the credibility of this site. Can’t we all just get along? (= (Yes, I did just quote him.)

  • DarthHater

    Going to bed. Merry apocalypse to all and to all a good night!

    • calicubsfan007

      @DH: Merry Apocalypse to you too! (= *Rides off on one of the Apocalypse Horses*

  • MichiganGoat

    Okay the thread was getting cluttered so ill restart it hear. Cali I agree that I’d like go see CV get treated as a starter. My great fear is Garza is nowhere ready to start the season. Which raises this question if Garza is out, Who starts opening day?

    • The Dude

      Shark

    • calicubsfan007

      @MG: That will be a fun topic to bounce around once ST gets here. I would think CV, Jackson, and Shark would be the top three candidates for getting the opening day nod. I think Shark, if he does well in ST, would be opening day starter.

      • Melrosepad

        If Garza couldn’t go, I’d start with Shark mainly out of him being a home grown talent. Nothing against Jackson who would be a close second, but give Shark the honor.

  • calicubsfan007

    Stupid real estate pop up… ReMax I think. I don’t want to buy a bloody house yet! (=

  • calicubsfan007

    I am going to bed. Ya’ll play nice now, you hear? (= Night all.

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