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stoveThe New Year is here, and the rumor mill continues its job …

  • There’s a big rumor making the rounds courtesy of Jason Churchill, a writer for ESPN and Prospect Insider, which indicates that the Mariners and Dodgers could be in talks about a sizable trade, possibly involving Andre Ethier. The Dodgers would probably also be sending one of their superfluous back-end starters (Aaron Harang or Chris Capuano), whom the Mariners would slot into the spot vacated by Jason Vargas. The rumor hasn’t been picked up by any other national folks, but there’s a whole lot of internal logic.
  • The implications of a big deal like that are wide ranging: on the one hand, it would take the Mariners out of the market for an outfielder, via trade or free agency – and it would also line the Dodgers up to make a big move on Michael Bourn. Given that there isn’t an obvious, top-notch replacement in their system ready to go (Yasiel Puig is still a ways off, if he makes it at all), I can’t help but assume the Dodgers wouldn’t actually trade Ethier until a Bourn deal was all but locked up (plus, you know, sign-all-the-players). This series of moves could potential improve the market for Alfonso Soriano or David DeJesus ever-so-slightly (by taking a couple options off the market, going to places that definitely weren’t in on Soriano, and may not have really been in on DeJesus), but obviously the negative to the Cubs is that Bourn won’t fall into their lap on a favorable deal (which is a negative only if you were wanting Bourn on the cheap, that is).
  • Probably unrelated, but Jon Morosi reports that the Mariners and Marlins have discussed Giancarlo Stanton. The Mariners have some very nice young arms, and a relatively healthy farm system overall. They also have a tough time getting big-time free agents to sign, and they need some bats. I still doubt Stanton goes anywhere – and, if he does, the Cubs will go down swinging – but the Mariners make a lot of sense as a fit if he does.
  • The Phillies’ beat guy for MLB.com thinks Alfonso Soriano would be a good fit in the Phillies’ lineup, though he prefers that they go after Scott Hairston instead.
  • The Indians have agreed to terms with Brett Myers on a one-year, plus-one-year-option deal worth $7 million, per Jon Heyman. They had been connected to Shaun Marcum – to whom the Cubs had long been connected – and this signing may take them out of that discussion. I’m not sure it matters to the Cubs, though, as their additions of Carlos Villanueva and Edwin Jackson have them overflowing with starters as it is. It’ll depend on how attractive the option looks, but I think I still like the Cubs’ Scott deals – Feldman and Baker – better. Probably Villanueva, too.
  • David Price and the Rays avoided arbitration by agreeing to a one-year, $10.1 million deal for 2013. This is just the normal process, but that hasn’t stopped folks from starting the Cubs-David-Price-trade-next-year talk. It’s fun to fantasize about, but there isn’t much point in speaking too formally about it until next offseason at the earliest.
  • A couple low risk arms to keep on your radar – Brandon Webb is still trying to come back, and will throw for teams later this month; Peter Moylan probably isn’t re-signing with the Braves after arm troubles limited him the last two years.
  • Spencer

    The Dodgers, man….They’re easily going to be second most despised team in all of baseball for the next few years. And Stanton to the Marlins….that conversation has to start with Walker and Hultzen, and I don’t even think the Cubs could compete with just those two names.

    • Bigg J

      I would take Stanton. but I would not send the farm for him. Might as well wait for Price next year if that rumor will ever come true. And yes the Dodgers are pissing a lot of people off. They are going to make MLB force a salary cap if the keep this up. Why would they care about paying the luxury tax when they are getting a mega deal through TV?

      • AD

        The only competitive package that I can see the Cubs putting together would be Jeff Samardzija and Javier Baez among others. However, I’m not sure that is the right move for the Cubs. While Castro, Stanton, and Rizzo would be a strong core, I don’t know how I feel with giving up Smardzija.

        • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

          I wouldn’t mind giving Smardzija in a deal for him. Players with Stanton’s skillset don’t grow on trees. He is very young. You protect him with players like Castro and Rizzo, and it would be very interesting. The concerns I would have is his injury and how Wrigley would possibly beat on him. Daytime games and not the best field. He would probably have to take quite a few days off.

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

        When an elite player becomes possibly available, you do not pass because you think a year later another elite player might become available.

      • Internet Random

        “They are going to make MLB force a salary cap if the keep this up.”

        I agree with the sentiment, but I find it far more likely that they’d ratchet up the luxury tax.

        • Internet Random

          “They” being MLB.

      • Jim L

        There is never going to be a salary cap in baseball. The MLBPA is not a weakling like the players associations for the NFL, NHL and NBA.

  • Featherstone

    I’m curious in a Dodgers/Mariners Trade, who does Seattle send over?

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      They would have the horses to give up and still have some left over in the farm.

    • MichiganGoat

      All the players?

  • King Jeff

    Peter Moylan would be another nice low-risk-high-reward guy to add depth to the bullpen. He’s always had great numbers when he was healthy.

  • Curt

    Moylan n Webb will be signed by the cubs soon ,as the cubs (sign all the injured players)dodgers sign all un-injured players.

  • Matty V

    Soriano to the Phils makes too much sense. I’m going to be pretty disappointed if that deal doesn’t happen.

    • CubFan Paul

      me too. the Cubs have the patience for Dom Brown this year, Philly doesn’t. Sori will count as much as $26M-$34M on the payroll if traded, and if so this is the year to do it. Then Theo&Co./Ricketts will be done with *ALL* burdensome contracts ‘pre-ricketts’.

      With the new Baseball Budget in 2013 the low payroll this year can set cost control for later years and give the flexibility to add big names as soon as 2014.

      I hope they’re seriously considering extending Samardzija before he puts up his expected 2013 numbers. Theo&Co knew when the time was right to *buy low* (their words) on a Castro extension. I’m quite sure they know now is that time for Jeff, because all signs/graphs/projections point up for him & his splitter. His arbritration salaries could explode in 2014 ($10M) and 2015 ($14M+).

      and the bank will be nowhere near be broken for other moves (OF, RP, 3B/SS)

      • Pat

        I think it might be wise to have more than a one year sample before extending F7. He still has two arb years left after this one. The risk is much greater than the reward.

        • CubFan Paul

          the reward of extending ‘F7′ is obviously greater if his 2013 season turns into a $9M-$12M arbitration number for 2014. Samardzija will never sign an extension after 2013 because if he stays healthy he’ll be 2 years closer to $15M-$25M annually.

          some people miss the point on buy low/upside arb extensions

          • Pat

            So you would be willing to risk 50 million to save 10? Or do you see him signing for four years and something like 30 million?

            • CubFan Paul

              Yes and Yes. The Cubs could save as much as $10M a year on the back end of an extension if Samardzija continues to progress.

              an ideal extension would be a normal arb extension, 4yrs/$40Mish

              $5M Signing Bonus
              year1: $4M
              year2: $6M
              year3: $9M …this equals $8M AAV for 3 arbritration years
              year4 (1st free agent year): $15M …this equals 4yrs/$39M, $9.75M AAV
              year5 (Club Option): $15M
              year6 (Club Option): $15M
              Year7 (Club Option): $15M

              I would risk this deal in a heartbeat this offseason…and i think Jeff would accept it or something similar if offered.

              • Pat

                First, he would never accept three club option years. Has any player ever accepted a deal like that?

                Second, 4+6+9 divided by three does not equal eight. It equals 6.3.

                He would probably (assuming he continues to pitch well) be in line for arb salaries of 6, 9, 12 million and FA of 15 million, for a total of 42 million. Your deal gives him 34 over that same time frame. Even without the option years he is unlikely to accept that.

                So essentially you are risking 28 million (assuming it is a given the 6 for this year) in order to save eight million. Considering how many pitchers have had one really good year and have never been able to reproduce it, that is a horrible bet. And that is ignoring injury risk entirely.

                • CubFan Paul

                  your math is wrong. there’s a signing bonus…

                  • Pat

                    Missed that. So now you’re risking 33 million to save 3. The only thing beneficial to the Cubs in your proposed deal is the three club option years, which he would never go for.

                    Clubs are rarely hampered by having to pay good players what they are worth. It is more often the result of having to pay no so good players on long term deals.

                    There’s simply no reason to commit 39 million dollars to a guy who put up an ERA plus of 103 in his only season as a starter. Especially one who has been as inconsistent from year to year as he has.

                    • CubFan Paul

                      dude, your math is still off. It’s a 4 year deal with 3 club options, so only the first 4 years are guaranteed.

                      it’s presumed that we’re keeping Samardzija so paying him $24M for the first 3 years isn’t a *risk*, it’s his first three years of arbitration at a slight discount.

                      therefore, the only *risk* in extending him, as described is Year Four of the deal ($15M -probably a $12M salary and $3M buyout on year 5).

                    • Pat

                      My math is fine. I am ignoring the three club option years because that isn’t going to happen. It would be like ignoring him getting a unicorn as part of a signing bonus. There is no point in discussing it as it has zero chance of actually happening. If you want to amend it to one club option year we could rerun the numbers.

                    • Pat

                      So if he blows out his arm next year, we would still pay him approx 21 million the next two years? The only way you can say that there isn’t risk is if you completely ignore the possibility of anything other than him continuing to be at least as good as last year.

                    • CubFan Paul

                      any extension Samardzija signs will be in the $9M-$12M a year range.

                      John Danks got $13M/year and that’s presumably what was offered to Garza.

                      They can accept the arb-deal or risk injury. Danks accepted, got injured. Garza wanted more and got injured and may never get a multiyear deal again (hopefully he’s fine).

        • Edward

          Especially since David Price only got a $6 million bump post Cy Young. Risk well worth taking.

  • MightyBear

    Cubs officially signed Jackson. Does somebody come off the 40 man? Anybody see who it is? How long do they have? Any help is greatly appreciated.

    • North Side Irish

      I believe they still had one roster spot left after moving Beliveau and Concepcion off the 40 man. Schierholtz took one of those, but I think they will have to make another move when Villanueva is officially signed.

      • MightyBear

        Thank you NSI

    • Bigg J

      They only had 39 on roster, but they are going to have to make a move anyway to put Villanueva on roster

  • AD

    The only competitive package that I can see the Cubs putting together would be Jeff Samardzija and Javier Baez among others. However, I’m not sure that is the right move for the Cubs. While Castro, Stanton, and Rizzo would be a strong core, I don’t know how I feel with giving up Smardzija.

    • itzscott

      Give the Marlins Samardzija and Soler…. Stanton already is what we hope Soler will be and I’m still not sold on Samardzija.

      • Noah

        First, the Cubs can’t trade Soler right . Since he was signed as an amateur, the Cubs can’t trade him for at least one year after he joined the organization.

        Second, neither Soler nor Samardzija are likely what the Marlins are looking for since neither player is exactly cheap. Soler can opt out of his deal essentially at the time he’d hit arbitration and is paid well above what most prospects make (and will continue to be paid as such in his first three years). Samardzija is already in arbitration.

        If Stanton is on the market in a year, I think the Cubs could make a run at him. But it would cost them both Baez and Almora, unless Pierce Johnson or JC Paniagua become really elite pitching prospects really quickly.

        • Noah

          Right now, rather.

    • Edward

      No way Baez and Shark get Stanton. Texas would trade Profar for him and just like that replace Hamilton.

  • james

    My guess is the Cubs are going to look at Aledmis Diaz the Cuban short-stop on Jan. 5th. I think they will make a offer and hopefully land him . If they do he will start at triple A so they could get a good gauge on his talent. If Diaz looks good I could see a Castro trade for a good young pitcher. Before anybody says anything I also think Baez will be looked at as a third basemen this year. Just a thought.

    • Blublud

      I think they will pursue Alvarez harder, as he plays where they have a weakness and an opening, OF, and most say he’s ready to go straight to MLB without needing to go to the minors.

    • CubFan Paul

      why would the Cubs trade a guy that they just signed to a 8year extension? just a thought.

      • ETS

        maybe they signed him to an extension solely to increase his trade value. I don’t think castro is moving, but devil’s advocate and such.

  • Timmy

    It’s nice to dream of a big trade but the Cubs have zero. We haven’t signed anyone we could use later as a trade piece and the farm system is mediocre to sub mediocre. In two winters Epstein has set us backward instead of forward, and he keeps saying that he wont do any big-time trades or signings into the future. So expect us to be bad with no room for improvement and boring trade seasons for at least another 3 years. Then maybe we’ll be a 500 team again.

    • ETS

      Don’t feed the trolls.

      • Timmy

        Cite evidence, not hyperbole. And use your real name if you’re going to accuse others of trolling.

        • ETS

          Any overreaching statement like “In two winters Epstein has set us backward instead of forward” without any evidence to support your idea is hyperbole.

        • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

          ha, you tell him to cite evidence when you say things like “and he keeps saying that he wont do any big-time trades or signings into the future.”???

          If Theo “keeps saying that”, it should be pretty easy for you to find a source with a quote.

    • Drew7

      “and he keeps saying that he wont do any big-time trades or signings into the future.”

      Really? I must have missed that.

    • JBarnes

      The farm system is far from mediocre…going into the season I see it as a top 15 or so system and could move into top 10 or higher after this years draft/season is over. We could have 4 hitters ranked in the top 30-40 with Baez being a possible top 10 overall in MLB. Also a couple pitchers could improve enough to make the list…Vizcaino, P. Johnson, Underwood, Maples among others.

      Whether we hold onto them or we trade some, I think we’re in a good position to make significant improvements sooner rather than later.

      • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

        If we are around 15, that is the definition of mediocre (middle of the pack). We will not have 4 hitters in the top 30-40. We will be lucky to have the 2. Almora is a fringe player in that range and Soler is right behind him. Baez is top 20, but haven’t seen anywhere that he is a top 10. I think the pitcher we draft in June will be the first pitcher we see on any list. Vizcaino is the only pitcher at this point that is thought of as anything. But, he just went through TJ. The others, everyone has them in their system. Maples hasn’t really even pitched. Johnson is looking to be the best of the 3. I am all for overshooting our farm, but man. I think the pitcher we take with the 2nd pick will probably end in the top 25 range, and as high as top 15 dependent on how that plays out and who is called up by then.

        • Timmy

          Yeah look guys, I support the Cubs, not Theo Epstein. He’s only as useful as he helps the team of my childhood win. EvenBetterNews has it right on. The team is in mediocre shape without much promise for a long time, and while I don’t mind a slow building of the farm system they’re still letting 50-75 million dollars a year fall into the cracks of the new owners’ pockets. They have more cash than ever, and are spending less than in years past. There’s no reason that one of the biggest market teams couldn’t try to compete now spending a little less on the farm system. Instead they’re very, very, very slowly trying to find good financial deals to maximize profits. They’re taking all of the fun right out of it. Everyone spends all day talking about the best business interests instead of winning. It’s killing team identity.

        • JBarnes

          You completely misunderstood everything i said, my opinions were based on after this coming season and draft. As for the system right now, I think it’s a top 15 system meaning it could fall anywhere from 1-15 and I doubt most would agree with that bit it’s my opinion. By this time next year I think it could be a top 10 and possibly top 5. I feel very comfortable saying Baez will be a top 10 overall prospect assuming he continues on the path he’s on. A combination of Solers power/arm/experience I think will shoot him up the boards. (Remember a lot of teams favored him over Cespedes and look what he did this season) Vogelbach is another guy that could get a lot of people’s attention and his power potential alone makes him a legit prospect. Almora would be the 4th player I was talking about who could make a significant jump.

          I’ve had the opportunity to watch Baez/Soler live for the majority of their time with the Cubs so maybe I’m bias towards them but nothing has made me believe they aren’t top tier talents in all of baseball. You also have to consider that quite a few of the players ranked towards the top of the prospect lists are MLB ready and will probly be losing prospect status after this season, leaving room for guys to move up. Also the reason some are ranked that high is because they’re close to MLB ready, not solely because they’re more talented than others. None of our top guys have even played a full season and are already ranked near the top portion…Baez/Almora/Vogelbach are still teenagers and Soler is only 20 so to be thought of that highly with such little experience is kind of crazy.

          Obviously can’t predict what will happen exactly but we still don’t know the returns from potential trades of Soriano/Garza/Baker etc. Garza alone could add multiple impact prospects.

          I’m excited about them and can’t wait to see how this season turns out.

          • Timmy

            This is all rock-solid analysis, I was responding more to comments above.

            • JBarnes

              Yea sorry my last post was more targeted towards EvenBetter.

    • Kevin B

      Timmy has no clue to what he is talking about it, he is just making up his own “quotes”. He claims Theo has said he will not do any “big time trades or signings into the future”? Ok Timmy whatever you say. Then again they did offer Anibal Sanchez a 5 year deal which would have been a big time signing into the future ……. E Jackson may not be “big time” but its not small time either. As for trades you are saying Theo has said he will not do a big time trade? Huh? …….. I when exactly did he say that?

      Farm system is not medicore it is just not RIPE yet, that is a big difference, not much talent at AAA yet but A and AA – Oh yes its well better then medicore its down right GOOD!

      • Timmy

        I hope you’re right on all counts. But when a team has 150+ million dollars a year to pay their players I think that two winters is enough to put together a competitive group. Three winters means that general management is incompetent. Just to be clear, I think that Sveum did as good as possible last year with such an inexperienced team and the few injuries we had.

        • King Jeff

          “But when a team has 150+ million dollars a year to pay their players I think that two winters is enough to put together a competitive group”

          Which team are we talking about again? There are 4, possibly 5 teams that have over 150 million to spend on their payroll. Everyone of them has a tv contract that dwarfs the Cubs. While they bring in enough revenue to support a payroll over 100 million, the Cubs aren’t going to be one of the top spending teams until they get a new tv deal.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            And that’s a point that gets lost all too often: it’s not the Cubs and The Other Team, but the Cubs and many other teams.

            The other issue is, are the parts you need available? The Cubs badly need a good third baseman. $150M cannot buy what is not for sale. The Cubs badly need a high OPS OFer, and they needed two 12+ months ago. The shelves are a bit empty on those, too.

            It’s no different from any other aspect of life: after all, how often do you go to the store with plenty of money to buy an item only to find it out of stock?

  • james

    I could see the Cubs going after Alverez to. I’m still wondering if Aledmis Diaz has more upside as a replacement for Castro in a trade or a backup infielder for the Cubs. It will come down to money for both of them. The two Cubans ballplayers have some upside even if they not considered superstars.

  • james

    After seeing what free agents are signing for the Castro deal looks like a steel. If the Cubs are deep at short stop why wouldn’t the Cubs aleast consider a trade for a number one starter.

    • hansman1982

      Because Castro has proven he can hit Major League pitching. Trade Baez and Lake and let someone else worry about them making any impact in the bigs.

    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

      What’s your definition of “deep at SS”?

      If you’re including Baez or the potential signing of a 23 year old Cuban defector, you’re being rather premature.

      • Adam

        We are deep at shortstop in our system between Alcantra, Baez, and Hernandez. We are very shallow at the major league level though.

        • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

          Then that wouldn’t constitute as being deep. None of those players are within 2 years of being at the Major League level. The only way even one or two of them make it is if everything goes perfect. That is a lot of guessing this early on. When your depth basically ends at the A level, you are not deep.

          • King Jeff

            Lake, Alcantara, Baez, and Hernandez definitely gives you a group at shortstop that you can consider deep, even if you don’t agree, it’s not exactly an outlandish statement, and it’s not much of a stretch that one of them could be in Chicago within two years. They also have a couple of guys that were recently signed in Penalver and DeLaRosa who may push the low A guys within the next year or so. Also, Stephen Bruno and Tim Saunders both play some shortstop, and they both played really well last year. Even though there isn’t much talent at Triple A, there is a lot of depth in the system.

        • Drew7

          Look around at other systems: It isn’t that hard to find several Alcantara’s and Hernandez’s throughout the Minors.

          That doesn’t mean they aren’t decent prospects, but I don’t think they give much weight towards being “deep” at the position.

  • 2much2say

    The Cubs trading from depth would make Castro expendable. Because of the long term contract Stanton comes into play.

  • james

    I also think Stanton could come into play because of Castro reasonable contract. Why would you want to trade Baez or Lake at the moment. Baez has more upside and his salary would be less then Castro.

    • Drew7

      Because their floors are on 2 different planets.

      Even if Baez does have a higher ceiling, Castro has a *much* greater chance of hitting his ceiling than Baez.

    • Chris

      You trade Baez and/or other prospects to get a guy like Stanton to add to the ML core that you move forward with. Castro is already part of that core, and is proven at the ML level. I love Baez’s potential, but for a guy like Stanton, he’s expendable. The Marlins are most likely going to demand top notch starting pitching prospects for Stanton anyway, so it’s highly unlikely the Cubs have a chance to get him anyway. But to add him to Castro and Rizzo, you’d have to consider giving up anything in the minor league system.

      • Xavier

        AGREED. You obviously know what yourtalking about why trade franchise cornerstones for each other. The cubs lineups a lot more awesome with Rizzo, Stanton, and Castro.

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

        You trade whoever the Marlins want. Stanton is a much, much better cornerstone player than Castro.

        • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

          eh, depending on his knee.

        • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

          Agreed Kyle.

        • Chris

          I’m not arguing that point. I was responding specifically to the question posed, “Why would you want to trade Baez or Lake at the moment.” I’d have to consider Castro too, if that’s what the Marlins want. But it wouldn’t even be a consideration for me to move Baez, Lake, or anyone else in the farm system to get Stanton. And at some level, it makes more sense for the Marlins to want Baez for a future 3rd baseman than Castro. They have a SS of the future from the Toronto deal. Honestly, I don’t think the Cubs have enough to get a deal done, mostly because the Marlins will probably want good pitching prospects in return, along with cheap, young, ML ready players. The Cubs don’t have much of either.

          • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

            You don’t stop stockpiling players because you have other players at a position. Just because they have a SS of the future, what happens if Baez sticks at SS and is better than what they have? They can either flip him or the other guy for what they need. That is what minor leaguers are for. If you need them and they stick great. But, if you don’t need them and they bring back something they need, then even better. As long as they aren’t at the same level and they aren’t, it is a position of extreme value. Assume the other guy comes up and has 2 strong years at the ML level. Then they decide Baez is coming up and is better. They can trade the other guy at a premium position with experience and age on his side. My point is you don’t look at it as a position issue unless they are at the same level. A lot can change for both between now and when they are at the Majors.

            • Chris

              Nothing I said is disagreeing with your comments. My original comment was directly related to the original post of this chain. If the Marlins are interested in anybody on the Cubs for Stanton, it’s worth considering. I’d rather keep the SS that is already in the majors and performing, simply because the team would be closer to winning more games immediately as opposed to waiting for Baez to make it out of A ball. I would consider moving Castro in the right deal for Stanton. I would immediately back up the truck to move Baez, or anyone else in the system, for Stanton. I don’t care about position either. Barney was a SS in AAA and Castro was in AA when he jumped over him to the majors. Moving Barney to 2nd worked just fine. I get that. I just don’t understand the point James was making about not moving Baez or Lake because they make less money than Castro. For a big market team, with a very low payroll, money shouldn’t be a factor in a deal like this. The Marlins might make it a factor, but that just means they might have more interest in Baez and other prospects versus Castro and his new extension, despite how team friendly it might seem. It doesn’t matter though. If the Mariners offer up some of their top notch pitching prospects for Stanton, the Cubs cannot compete with an offer like that.

              • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

                “And at some level, it makes more sense for the Marlins to want Baez for a future 3rd baseman than Castro. They have a SS of the future from the Toronto deal.”

                That is all I was responding to. I personally disagree with that. I think any GM in baseball would take a known commodity in Castro over a player that will start the season in A+ in Baez. Great upside, with great talent, but in no world would that happen as of today. If that were a consideration either of the players could move to 3rd.

  • james

    I don’t think I’m being premature in saying the Cubs are deep at shortstop. The Cubs have Baez and Lake that play there. I think they will be in on the cuban shortstop also. When I look at what the Cubs have in the minors I see some good players that could make a impact in the future. I don’t see the Cubs being deep in pitching. If you wanted to get a impact playerin a trade, who can the Cubs offer besides Castro and the Shark?

    • Drew7

      I don’t think there’s any way Lake sticks at SS.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      Lake has been playing outfield in the Dominican League, because Shortstop just isn’t going to happen. The Cubs have nothing at AA or AAA at shortstop. Darwin Barney is the closest thing to depth at this point. We are 2 years away. That is not depth. That is hope, that something pans out. A lot more questions than answers. That is not depth.

    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

      If you think Junior Lake and Javier Baez (plus the potential Cuban) means the Cubs are deep enough at SS to consider trading Castro, then you’re being premature.

      There’s a good chance none of them put up 600 big league at bats in their careers.

  • Clayton

    I think if the farm the FO has been building gets sold for anyone It will be Price. What kind of package will Tampa demand? I would like to see Baez in a Cubs uniform someday, but I can’t see any of these big trades happening with out him as a center piece.

  • james

    Don’t get me wrong I like Castro alot. Castro has alot of upside. How do you get a major impact player in return if you have nothing to trade back. Yes the Cubs are deep at shortstop.Lake will not play shortstop right now because Castro blocking him. Thats fine because Castro is a much better shortstop. That dosn’t mean Lake will not be a very good shortstop in the majors. Baez is two years away. Thats much deeper then any other position in the Cubs minors at the moment.

    • http://www.viewfromthebleachers.com Norm

      Junior Lake sucks at SS. He’s not depth.

      • Mick

        You suck at explaining why people suck at things.

  • james

    So you just throw away your farm system and hope that the Marlins don’t want a establish young major leauger back. Sorry I don’t see that happening. After what happened with the Blue Jays, I can’t see that happening. The Marlins would want two or three young major league players backs in return that can play now. The Marlins still want to have fans show up next year.

  • james

    I still don’t understand how the Cubs can get any impact player back without tradeing a young major league ready player back in return. Well its nice to dream.

  • Curt

    I don’t know why anyone is even discussing Stanton bc no how no way is that deal going to happen , 1) cubs do not have the prospects to desk to Miami, without gutting the work fo has done, and other teams have better packages to offer, so lets move on go something realistic like see what Texas wants for olt. Stanton would be an awesome addition but unless miami is in a coma, and theo and Jed can work a miracle it’s not happening .

  • Jeff1969

    Right now is not the time for the Cubs to move prospects. After this year is the time. If some of these guys continue to improve, then we’ll start to have quality depth with which to trade with. If Baez, Vogelbach, Lake, Almora, Soler, Paniagua, & others really put up good numbers, then the Cubs will coming to the table with serious prospects. Say Baez explodes at Daytona & moves up mid season to AA & does well, he’ll be more valuable as his potential to be a major leaguer will have increased. Then again, he could just as likely flame out & be the second coming of Lou Montanez. But right now, sadly, what the Cubs have this offseason is not going to be better than teams like the Mariners, Rangers, & the other teams with better farm systems.

    • Marc

      Those guys aren’t serious prospects now?

      • Jeff1969

        I just think guys like Baez will obviously be more valuable as they prove themselves higher up the minor league chain. Take a guy like Vogelbach, if he just crushes it this year he’s going to be worth more than he is right now. Despite what people say about him not looking like a ballplayer. Other teams see how Baez stopped dominating when he got to Daytona. I know he’s young for that level, but it has an effect. 2013 is going to be the year we really get to see the last waves of Hendry & the first waves of Theo & Jed showing what they can do. So I guess I mean more valuable than now, hopefully.

    • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

      I am of the mind you get players when they are available.

      • Jeff1969

        I agree, but I don’t think what The Cubs have to offer would get Stanton or Price (if he was available) right now. Of course Stanton would look incredible out there with Castro & Rizzo, but…

  • james

    I agree the Cubs should just sit back and wait to see how the prospects pan out. Your right some will probley flame out and some will really surprise. The only reason I mentioned Castro in any trade was because everybody names top players the Cubs should trade for. The Cubs can’t trade for players unless you have something to give back up in return. I would hold on to Castro and if a team is willing to give 2 top prospects and a young pitcher that could become a ace then maybe. If Baez has a outstanding year it would make it much easier to trade Castro in 2014. Another 100 loss season wouldn’t bother me if it means that we have prospects that become good and the Cubs are solid for 10 to 12 years in a row.

  • dan

    ss is not our depth 2nd base is move Barney to ss than trade Castro look at the 2nd basemen we have coming !!!!

    • King Jeff

      They have a lot of second basemen, but like shortstop, there isn’t a whole lot that’s close to the majors. Logan Watkins is really the only one who is close to being ready, and he hasn’t played at Iowa yet.

  • Rcleven

    Patrick Mooney ‏@CSNMooney

    Edwin Jackson on being traded so frequently: “I think everyone likes me.”

    From the Cubs presser today.

    Just had to laugh. Might be fun season just yet.

  • Ctownhustler

    was it telivised, i tryed finding it

    • Rcleven

      No TV but fed on Comcast internet live feed.

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    I don’t expect Stanton to be moved this early. You perform due diligence and keep inquiring about him until the trade deadline, just in case. The Marlins will have had plenty of time to evaluate the new players they just acquired and will know what holes they need to fill by then. Stanton will get frustrated from being pitched around and want a trade. He has no protection in that lineup. They’ve been trying to unload Nolasco for some power, but they’ll have to throw in more.

    They do have about three good, young, starting pitchers to build around (although they could end up working from the pen) and they have a good bullpen. They have a good SS/2B combination in Hechavarria/Solano and they’ll see if Rob Brantly can continue his success behind and at the plate with more playing time. They need young talent: 3B, 1B (if Logan Morrison can’t cut it), and 2 OF to replace Stanton (Marcell Ozuna needs a few years) and Pierre (when he’s traded, although a very cheap contract). Ruggiano would be the mainstay out there.

  • Carew

    From what I’ve seen from trade scenarios on this site is that Baez and Soler are always mentioned. The only way Baez is traded is if they can get a David Price. Also, why on God’s green earth would the Cubs even consider trading Soler after all the time, effort, and commitment they’ve put into him.

    I’m sorry for going a bit off-topic, it just really irritates me.

    • King Jeff

      They probably wouldn’t consider trading either of them unless they are getting “special” talent in return. I have confidence in this front office to squeeze all the value that they can out of our prospects.

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