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rick porcello tigersOnce the Chicago Cubs locked down Edwin Jackson, and (presumably, though not yet officially) Carlos Villanueva, it was a pretty fair assumption that they were done with the rotation for the offseason. Indeed, GM Jed Hoyer said as much last week.

But these guys are tricky, as you well know.

MASN’s Roch Kubatko reports that the Chicago Cubs and Detroit Tigers are currently discussing a trade centered on starter Rick Porcello. The 24-year-old righty has been discussed around these parts many times, most recently when the Tigers – and not the Cubs – re-signed Anibal Sanchez, thus theoretically opening the door for them to deal one of Porcello or lefty Drew Smyly. Because of the Cubs’ subsequent acquisitions, it seemed a fair bet that Porcello would be going elsewhere.

But not so says Kubatko, who indicates the Cubs and Tigers have been involved in Porcello talks, according to something Kubatko heard last night. You’re probably wondering why a Baltimore Orioles reporter is breaking a rumor about the Cubs and Tigers, right? Well, he hears that the Cubs and Tigers aren’t a straight up match (there were reports that the two sides spoke back in December and couldn’t find a fit), and the Tigers have tried to pull the Orioles into the mix so that they can land shortstop J.J. Hardy. The Orioles, themselves, have a need for pitching, so you wonder why the Cubs would be involved at all, but, hey, that’s the rumor. According to Kubatko, the Cubs would send pitching to the Orioles, the Orioles would send Hardy to the Tigers, and the Tigers would send Porcello to the Cubs. Without knowing the pitching going from the Cubs (big league? prospects? low level?), it’s hard to understand exactly how this kind of circuitous movement would work.

Given that the Tigers are looking for a shortstop, you have to wonder whether they’ve been pushing the Cubs for Darwin Barney, who can almost certainly still play well above average defense at short. If so, maybe the Cubs have been reluctant to part with Barney for Porcello, whose peripherals are improving, but whose overall numbers have been disappointing in his young career. He’s also about to get expensive in arbitration.

Maybe the Orioles want Alfonso Soriano? Just throwing that out there. Neither the Cubs nor the Tigers would pluck the Orioles out of thin air to be the third team in discussions, so it would make sense that at least one of the two teams had already been having talks with the Orioles about something …

So, is there meat here? Hard to say, though I’m sure Kubatko isn’t totally making this up. Porcello did make sense as a Cubs target for a variety of reasons (age, buying low, switch to NL with better infield defense, etc.), and he absolutely is available. Acquiring him would certainly make the Cubs all the more able to move Matt Garza, if that’s what they’re hoping to do.

This may be something to watch.

  • Eric S

    I’m thinking this has to be linked with Carlos not being added to the roster as of yet. If the Cubs can unload some of their guys prospects or otherwise OFF the 40 man roster, that will clear up space for Carlos and Porcello to come on board. This means at LEAST 2 of the guys on the 40 man are part of this deal. Could it be prospects? Probably. But it can also include guys on the roster that might shock a few people. Soriano? It’s possible, but for Porcello I think the Cubs would be giving up too much especially if they’re throwing someone else on the 40 man in there. Unless, the deal is Soriano and another player for Porcello and decent prospects, and the Cubs don’t eat too much cash in the process, or get a better prospect as a result.

  • Tim

    What if porcello and alfonso soriano go to Baltimore jj hardy and Matt garza go to Detroit, and the cubs get castellatos and drew smyly?

    • BPaoni

      Hmmmm…..That’d pique my curiosity

    • Whiteflag

      I like that but would the Tigers trade two top pitching prospects and top 3B, for a return of JJ Hardy and “injured” Matt Garza?

      • MichiganGoat

        No, no they wouldn’t

      • Tim

        I think Porcello has lost some value and castellatos Is going to be blocked for the next 10 years

        • Whiteflag

          Thats true. But you also included Smyly. That be an awesome trade. Just has a very slim chance of happening.

          • Tim

            Maybe If they were to throw in guys like a lake, sczuzar. Vitters

        • MichiganGoat

          He won’t be blocked after this year at 3B, VMart is gone after 2013 and then Miggy and Prince will be 1B and DH

          • Tim

            I didn’t even think about that

    • Me

      Sign me up for that

  • 2much2say

    Doesn’t Kelly Johnson make sense at 2nd for Cubs power vacuum?

  • Troy

    Where’s Shark?

  • 2much2say

    Let’s face it only 2nd 3rd and OF will provide openings for power. Keep Soriano sign Bourn and Kelly Johnson / Bourn Dejesus Castro Soriano Rizzo K Johnson Stewart Castillo P

    • Jose Aldeman

      BOURNNNNNNNNNN !!!!! HELL NOOOOO.
      Didnt you hear Theo saying that cubs are sticking with their 2nd round pick

      Say Nooo TO BOURN CUBS FANSSSS

      STOP BORAS AND BOURN 2013 CAMPAIGN

      • brickhouse

        Theo said he would give up a 1st or 2nd round pick for the right player. Never said they were sticking with their second round pick.

  • cRAaZYHORSE

    Who replaces Barney at second base?
    We already have a I don’t know at third base.

    • MichiganGoat

      Offensively there are options out there it’s the defense that can’t be replaced. I guess Watkins is an option but finding 2B that can match Barney’s offense is easily found.

    • Patrick W.

      Freddy Sanchez is available.

  • Bryan

    Shark and Barney for Headley?

    • MichiganGoat

      I’m sure they can get better offers plus Headley is not exactly young

    • hansman1982

      plus Baez, Soler and Vizcaino

    • http://bleachernation.com hutch

      get real! Not happening. Are any of these proposals real or are u all joking. The trade proposals here are the worst. Need to give up something to get something. Not your garbage for another teams all star

  • Steve Miller

    Travis Wood & Carlos Marmol

  • http://bleachernation.com hutch

    Garza for olt. Is a terrible trade too unless your getting another top prospect too. Proven pitching is at a premium and olt hasnt even proven he can hit mlb pitching.

    • Whiteflag

      Third base is also hard to fill. Not saying I would make the trade. Just think Olt is going to cost a lot.

  • Big Daddy

    I just saw where the Nats are listening to offers for Morse. I have said this before, but what about offering them something for Tyler Moore. He is a right handed power bat that can play left field. If Soriano is traded he would be a great replacement.

  • http://www.thesportsfeast.com/category/ncaa-bb/mvc BAIRSDEN

    T Wood seems like a name that could be involved, but it’s hard to think Theo would deal him after acquiring him in a trade just last off-season. I still think it’s important to only move Soriano if you’re getting the appropriate return. He has good value if they Cubs are going to eat as much money as they say they are. If Theo & Jed can get any decent value in return for Marmol, then I say move him asap. I’m certainly interested to see, if a trade happened, how many players from the 40-man would be involved.

    It’s so hard to speculate these trades not knowing financials, team needs, and how much a team covets their player compared to everyone else. I’d rather Theo be pursuing Smyly or Castellanos, so hopefully he has at least kicked those tires.

    • hansman1982

      Based on the quote from Towers earlier this offseason, I think Theo would trade his own grandmother after signing a super team friendly extension if he thought it would benefit the team.

  • Rich H

    Lets assume for a moment this is holding some water. Could the trade actually be Soriano and Wood to Baltimore, We get Porcello and Castella, Detriot gets Marmol and Hardy?

    It clears out 3 spots and only fills 2. We move Marmol and Soriano. Everyone wins.

    • Blublud

      This actually makes little sense. More Sense then Wood and Lake for Porcello.How ever, this just feels one void to make another one.

      • Rich H

        It would make 2 voids but it is still early enough to be in on other OF’ers. We still need a 3rd baseman if Castello (I know I am spelling it wrong) is not a part of this deal. We also need a slugger to bat behind Rizzo. So I think if Soriano is going to be traded there will already be another deal in place to address that need.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Same old same old, package our junk and expect the other teams best in return. Sorry it doesn’t work that way.

    • Aaron

      Sounds like a lot of Fantasy Baseball offers. Guys think they can snag your top producer just by throwing quantity your way. “It’s a 3-for-1 deal, how could they not take it?” Haha.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        (That has been on every site ever in the history of the Internet. Folks with unrealistic trade suggestions certainly aren’t getting that attitude from me, is all I’m saying.)

  • Marc

    I think Porcello would do well here. I would like to trade for him. By trade for him I do not mean Darwin Barney, since that makes little sense as the roster currently stands.

  • Jim

    If the Orioles want Porcello and the Tigers want Hardy, I am not sure why the Cubs have to be involved at all? I could see the Cubs in on Smyly and Castellanos, but neither will come cheap and I doubt the Cubs have what it takes or are willing to give what it takes to get either of them.

    • brickhouse

      It seemd the O’s dont want Porcello

  • Eric O.

    I’m trying to understand why all these people are bitching about the trade scenarios being thrown out. Isn’t that what this site is all about? Speculation….with rumors and facts thrown in. I don’t see how Soriano and Marmol are junk. They are both former all stars who can help get a team over the top. No one knows if these young prospects will actually turn out good. Castellanos and Smyly aren’t sure fire winners. Hell…..Castellanos has no power as of yet. He is all batting average. If a team like Baltimore or Detroit want to win a World Series now then they will need to part with a few prospects.

    • DarthHater

      People are only complaining about the mind-numbingly stupid trade scenarios.

      • hansman1982

        Damnit, stop complaining about the complaints!

        • DarthHater

          Not until you stop complaining about the complaining about the complaints!

          In any event, I wasn’t complaining, I was just clarifying. :-P

  • Eric O.

    Btw….none of us want to waste our time throwing out A-Ball guys in these trade scenarios. I’m sure there would be a few more pieces involved in a three team deal.

  • Curt

    Only way if do this deal if somehow nick castelenos I know I’m not spelling his name right , but whts the incentive fr the cubs to do this deal , porcello is a good pitcher but there has to be more to this deal than what’s being shown.

  • 2much2say

    power zone = Castro Soriano Rizzo would be nice to have a 30+ HR guy at 6
    Reality is Dejesus Stewart Castro Soriano Rizzo Schierholtz Castillo Barney P

  • Spencer

    I dunno if this has been discussed already or not, and I’m not gonna read back through the comments to find out, but the rumor is Travis Wood and Junior Lake for Porcello.

    • Big Daddy

      Isn’t that giving up a young cost controlled pitcher for another. I’m not sure I like that deal.

    • MightyBear

      Where do the Orioles come in? I like the trade on its face but we have no left handed pitching at all if that trade goes through. I do not count Rusin and Raley.

      • Spencer

        It doesn’t make much sense to me either – and if Baltimore wants pitching, they could just trade for Porcello themselves. Unless they want Lake as a replacement for Hardy. But I still see no need for the Cubs to be involved here.

    • Blublud

      Why would the Cubs trade a young, cost controled, LHP and a fairly decent prospect, for a slightly younger, more expensive, RHP with worse stats when MLB considers lefties more valuable. I don’t agree with the lefty/righty thing, but if MLB GMs place value in Lefties, then Wood has to have more value then Porcello by himself.

      • Marc

        Porcello’s upside > Wood’s upside

        Not that I think this trade is real….

      • Sinnycal

        I think Porcello has significantly greater upside if you put him in front of a good defensive infield. Tigers get a real SS, Orioles get rotation depth and a prospect they might like for 3B, Cubs get what they must view as a longterm rotation upgrade.

  • mudge

    Trade Soriano for a low-level prospect and pay most of his salary.

  • Mike

    This all sounds like a bunch of idiots throwing out names out of their asses and don’t really know any facts of what’s actually going on!!!

    • bbmoney

      Don’t hold back Mike. Tell us what you really think.

    • Bigg J

      As long as you know everything then everyone will be happy

    • Cub2014

      Idiots and asses? Nice.

    • Eric O.

      Perhaps your the one with all the correct facts that can enlighten us all. Its quite an honor for an actual GM in Major League Baseball to be joining us here. Don’t worry “Mike” we won’t let people know your real name.

  • 2much2say

    Seems to me that the Cubs want Castellanos, so Porcello to the Orioles Hardy to the Tigers Castellanos to the Cubs and Mcnutt to Orioles

    • http://bleachernation frank hutch

      So the cubs are getting castellano for trey mcnutt esentially? That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard

    • JR

      Yeah McNutt blows. It’s going to take a lot to get Castellanos.

  • North Side Irish

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS
    according to @jimcallisBA, here are best minors systems: 1 stl 2 sea 3 mia 4 tex 5 bos 6 tb 7 minn 8 pitt 9 az 10 hou

    Effing Cardinals…

  • Mike

    I’m just saying, everyone is throwing out names of players they want on the cubs and throwing out names of players they want off of the cubs. None are realistic. Teams aren’t going to give up good young up and coming players for old or declining players that won’t really put them over the top. If you give me $10 I will give you my bag of garbage!! Will you take that trade? Same thing.

    • JR

      Don’t read it then dude. You clearly think people are clueless. Why would you spend time reading stuff from people you think are idiots? Weird..

    • Eric O.

      That’s just not true. If u are a team like the Tigers that are one or two pieces away then u will trade a prospect for a proven star. What if u have a good amount of third basemen or starters in your system and u want an outfielder….then bam. You make the trade. It’s all about pieces that fit. I’ll say it again…..Soriano and Marmol are not garbage. They could both net us nice prospects with the right throw ins (Cash or Lower level prospects.) Any trade can happen….just ask Lou Brock.

  • Rcleven

    Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS

    according to @jimcallisBA, here are best minors systems: 1 stl 2 sea 3 mia 4 tex 5 bos 6 tb 7 minn 8 pitt 9 az 10 hou
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    How the heck does Houston build their farm so fast?

    • hansman1982

      They’ve been rebuilding for 6-7 years now

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    sorry but anyone who thinks Detroit and DD would a top 10 prospect in all of baseball for McNutt is clearly clueless. I understand the idea of throwing thought provoking ideas out, but the constant lets throw enough junk at a team to get them to give us a star or future star is mind numbing. Usually its followed by insults for coaches, managers and gms who don’t “get it done”

    Detroit wouldn’t trade him for McNutt anymore than we would trade, Baez for that type of topped out and falling P prospect.

    • Eric O.

      I have to agree on that one. McNutt wouldn’t net us much of anything. He is probably a throw in at best right now (could change though with a good year or two in the minors), but calling people “clueless” or “idiot” solves nothing. I doubt everyone in here knows everything about prospects. Some people are just Cubs fans and that’s ok.

      • JR

        Righ on. It does stink the McNutt has fallen off so much. He was so very bad last year. But that dude is still nasty. Let’s hope he can become a solid RP at this point I guess.

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        What a nice comment. Well done, Eric.

    • Internet Random

      ‘Usually its followed by insults for coaches, managers and gms who don’t “get it done”’

      Yeah, that can be particularly annoying.

  • Rizzo44

    I would like to get Smyly, Porcello, or Castelletos (dont know how to spell it) and i would give up Garza, Shark, Vitters, or Barney. If we trade Barney, then i would Really love for us to get Kelly Johnson for 2 years until Watkins is ready… I say we get Porcello and Boesch and we lose Barney, Raley, and L.Castillo.

  • Mirky Waters

    Anyone else think we should trade shark for Katherine Webb? A.J McCarrons gets a damn good receiver and we get something worth watching a Cubs game for In 2013. Makes as much sense as some if the other trade proposals in here. Might as well get my Webb jersey now before the announcement at the convention next Friday

    • Njriv

      Man, Katherine Webb…oh my.

  • Joepoe321

    MLB.coms Matthew leach wrote an article on the cubs that you guys should check out. He says he thinks the cubs could be one of the most improved team in baseball, and that the cubs are rebuilding the right way. And that the cubs rotation will probably look something like this: 1. Garza(“assuming he’s not traded) , 2. E. Jackson , 3. J. Shark, 4+5 Feldman , Villanueva, and baker (if healthy) all battling it out for the last two spots

    • Behind enemy lines (south side cub fan)

      We certainly have a deep rotation and are okay on that regard (could use a true ace, though), our bullpen is far from dominant and even if we sign Bourn as a lead off (which we probably won’t) our lineup still really needs better bats at 4-6. With another strong year from soriano, a bounce back from Stewart’s wrist, and Castillo playing at all-star level we could be wild card contenders, but I have doubts for those three as well. Slot dejesus in as leadoff and 4-7 is Bon jovi territory (livin on a prayer) while leadoff isn’t much above league average. Two bats better than average and a rotation that isn’t top half of NL does not a playoff team make.

      I’d be pleased if we contended, of course, but we’ve (quite likely) got work to do.

      • Behind enemy lines (south side cub fan)

        Which essay is, of course, beside the point of “much improved.” Got a little carried away XD Nice article to read.

    • DarthHater
      • DarthHater

        Thanks, joepoe

        • Joepoe321

          No problem

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

        Does it make me a huge jerk if I note that this was in the Bullets yesterday? It probably does. But I just did it anyway. I’m such a jerk …

        http://www.bleachernation.com/2013/01/07/get-ready-for-more-roster-reshuffling-and-other-bullets/

        • DarthHater

          Hey, name-calling will not be tolerated at this blog…

        • Cubbie Blues

          No worries. It’s just Darth.

          • DarthHater

            I’m such a jerk. :-D

        • Spencer

          no, just a medium one.

        • hansman1982

          It makes you a cynical asshole.

          • DarthHater

            Who pays any attention to what that guy writes, anyway?

            • hansman1982

              He just plaguises (can’t spell it so might as well butcher it)!all of his work anyway. Thank god the rest of the world hasn’t caught on yet to this small time chump.

        • George Costanza

          Well, the Jerk Store called, and they’re running out of you

          • DarthHater

            Felicitous Festivus, George.

    • Blublud

      Good read. I still think we will surprise a lot of teams this year. I do’t think our offense is as week as soom might think. Sori is actually very consistent when healthy, Rizzo will mash, Castro will blow, dejesus is steady and consistent, Barney will improve slightly with the bat and Castillo will be atleast average. They only real question is 3B and RF/CF depending whereDejesus is

      • Joepoe321

        No problem

      • hansman1982

        The real questions are Schierholtz and Stewart. If Stewart can be just replacement level and Schierholtz hits as he did last year against rhp (and sveum sticks with the platoon) then the offense will hold its own.

        I think the rotation and bullpen will hold their own.

        If that happens and no one fails, we would be a .500 team. If Castro and Rizzo have breakout years and all the rest of that happens, we will be in contention.

        The thing about Stewart is we haven’t, yet, heard about any discomfort in the wrist like we did last year. Give him, Castro and Rizzo breakout years and we should be in the playoffs.

        That is the ceiling of this team. Granted the floor is 100 losses and the Cubs are in low A ball right now.

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