2013 cubs conventionAfter a great evening last night meeting BN’ers, other writers, and a handful of Cubs front office members (for the record, out of those three groups, I didn’t meet a single person I didn’t like – Cubs fans, writers, employees … they just tend to be good people), it’s time to hit up the panels today at CubsCon.

I hope to have some non-Convention coverage for you later today (discussing, for example, the Justin Upton rumor (Bruce Levine cites a couple sources who tell him the Cubs and D-Backs did discuss an Upton trade, but when the D-Backs pushed for Starlin Castro, the Cubs shut the talks down)), but the focus will be Convention stuff. The other bits might have to wait until tomorrow or Monday, with apologies.

The biggest Convention item today, from my perspective, is the unveiling of Wrigley renovation plans at 1:30, so you can expect something on that here later today. There’s also the Ricketts Family panel, the Executives panel, and some minor league stuff, too. It’ll be a day packed full of interesting stuff.

And, obviously, tons more tweeting (so follow BN on Twitter).

I’ll be rocking my maroon BN shirt today (and the loud yellow/blue shoes), so hopefully I can meet some more BN’ers.

  • JR

    Haven’t the Cubs denied the Dbacks many times before on the Castro for Upton deal? Castro’s contract is so much better than Upton’s that it doesn’t make that trade realistic at all.

    • bbmoney

      That’s exactly right.

      Before Castro’s extension I was still a no on any castro for upton swap and friends told me I was crazy. Now I don’t think that swap is close. I’m a pretty big fan of Upton too, but you just don’t see 22/23 y/o short stops with Castro’s MLB track record who still have lots of room for growth. Not to mention ones signed for the next 7 years for 60M.

  • Austin

    Brett, if you see the guy decked out in Michigan stuff that’s me.

  • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

    Upton has the cubs on his no trade list. He doesn’t want to be traded to the cubs. Why waste time talking about when Aaron miles is still out there and can be acquired for a cup of coffee?

    • Dan

      That NTC in regards to the Cubs for him is just so he can ask for more money. It doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to be here. Its been said from many reports that he’d come here with an extension long term.

      • Dan

        I should add that I’d never trade Castro for Upton.

      • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

        If that was the case then upton would have more than a couple teams on his no trade list. He specifically listed only a couple teams that he wouldn’t approve a trade to. That should tell you something.i don’t see what’s so hard to understand here.

        • A.J.

          He can only have four teams on his no trade list.

          • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

            Like I said that should tell you something

            • bbmoney

              It should tell us that he probably would want an extension to accept a trade to the Cubs.

              I’m not sure if we heard…that could be why he didn’t accept the trade to Seattle. Or maybe he just shot that one down because Seattle probably would have killed his offensive numbers, even with the fences coming in. Either way I still think the Cubs on his NTC is a bargaining chip.

            • DarthHater

              Yes, it tells us that Arizona wasn’t willing to agree to a contract that would have allowed him to veto deals to more than four teams.

              But it tells us nothing at all about whether those four teams are all teams that Upton would veto under any circumstances, or whether they also include some teams that he would veto only if he was unable to negotiate a an extension with them.

    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

      Aaron Miles – the Russian Spammers just woke up and soon the Aaron Miles write from years ago will have a comment again very soon.

      • King Jeff

        I think you have to say it three times for it to work.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          How about the Monty Python Spam song in Russian?

  • Stu

    Just silliness. Castro is so much more valuable playing shortstop with his production than Upton as a corner outfielder.

    The Cubs are set up nicely with pitching depth that if they don’t contend, they could probably flip a Garza/Baker/Feldman at the trade deadline for an outfield prospect. I am now onboard with no Upton/Bourne. Let’s see how this team performs until the trade deadline.

  • HateDemp

    Couldn’t agree more with Dan and Stu. It does seem, let’s hope we’re not surprised, that the FO is playing for sustained success and will act accordingly so I am not that concerned that we’ll see Upton for Castro. Under prior management/ownership maybe Juan Pierre for Castro, but hopefully not now.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    I’m all for the Cubs acquiring a big middle of the order bat, its more key than a 2 or 6 hole hitter. I trust the FO to make a deal that is in the best interest of the Cubs, no matter who it is and no matter what nervous it me or other fans. I will say this, its one hell of a lot easier to replace a non gold glove type shortstop who while he is very talented, lacks plate discipline and struggles with OBP, than it is to find a legitimate middle order power hitting player with upside.

    We drink the kool aid of all the PR and positioning, but with one of the bigger now FO’s in all of baseball, if they are willing to trade Castro, or other combinations of players for Upton, we would be well served to trust them. I understand Castro is a very good mlb bat, I also understand many here and elsewhere project him as HOF, GG, SS and the next everything including Derrick Jeter. But what he is and what he may or may not never be, is far better left in the hands of the FO if we ever want to win a WS……

    • bbmoney

      “its one hell of a lot easier to replace a non gold glove type shortstop who while he is very talented, lacks plate discipline and struggles with OBP, than it is to find a legitimate middle order power hitting player with upside.”

      Even forgetting his contract, the fact that Starlin got a lot better defensively last year, and the fact that for his age he probably should have just finished a year at AA and still been a very highly thought of prospect……no it’s not.

  • Fastball

    I am happy that a Castro for Upton proposal left Towers talking to Mr. Dialtone. I find it more interesting that Arizona is starting to reach for possible trading partners. Towers has placed himself in position of weakness while he thought he was setting himself up to deal from a position of strength. His OF player signings this off season where bold and risky. Now he finds himself a little more on the risk side of things. It’s fine for him to put a benchmark in place for Upton’s trade value and what he expects in return. He is somewhat of a fool though because his approach to Upton and they way he is being marketed as well as public opinion are driving down his products value as well as the potential market of buyers. His market to sell Upton to has greatly diminished. Being told NO over and over again is not a good thing to have happen with regard to Upton. He has been told NO by his player and he has been told NO by his potential trade partners. Now if he wants to make a deal his ASK is diminished by percentages that get worse by the day this time of year. In fact Theo outsmarted Towers in the strategy arena. He drew a line that says Upton isn’t good enough to bring Castro into a conversation. Theo just set the value on Castro and diminished the value of Upton. Perception is everything in negotiation.

    Are we officially out on Upton? I would say we are not. As the days pass and Towers still owns Upton his nerves will get the best of him and he will call Theo back. Why because Theo will answer the phone just to see how edgy Towers is getting. Theo will have to give up some quality to get Upton but it won’t be as much as everyone thinks. As long as the Rangers and the Yankee’s hold tight and don’t make some ridiculous offer Towers position gets weaker by the day. Arizona needs infielders and they can always use pitchers. I doubt it will take any Major League players from the Cubs to get Upton in the end. It won’t take Baez or Soler either. Theo will be able to pull this deal off with players from High A and AA. I am all for that because we can restock via IFA and Amateur Draft quickly enough to overcome a loss in assets at those two levels.

    In the end 3 or 4 years from now Arizona might make out in this potential trade idea I have in mind. The players we send will probably have a ML impact for Arizona. We get Upton for 5 or 6 years and that fits our organizational plan. Trades are about both teams getting what they need to fill an organizational void.

    I predict Upton plays RF for the Cubs this year and it won’t cost nearly as much as anyone might think. At least the cost won’t impact our key roster make up. The bigger reward is no loss of draft picks to bring over Upton this year. If we signed him as FA he would cost us a 1. Even though most 1’s never make it to the Majors. From the 2008 draft only 4 or 5 number 1’s made it to Bigs. The rest are pretty much busts. I think our FO and Scouting is smarter than most. I like our draft success odds better than most. Even though history in the Cubs organization clearly says otherwise.

    • Timmy

      Good analysis but I think we’re out. We have no more impact players and they can certainly get a very strong piece for Upton. I can’t imagine what else they’d want from the Cubs besides pitching that we don’t have.

    • http://Isa Voice of reason

      First of all upton has to agree to come here.

      Second of all the cubs will have to part with Castro or rizzo. The diamondbacks aren’t just going to give him away.

      • Justin

        Yea they arn’t going to give him away, but the price tag on Upton is way high right now and asking a lot to get Castro or Rizzo. The Diamondback already screwed themselves when they accepted the Mariners offer because now they can’t ask for more then that. Asking for Castro is a big time asking price especially when the Diamondbacks trade with the Mariners was no one close to a Castro and prospects deal. Not sure why the D-backs want Castro when they already traded for a SS anyways. I feel the D-backs will go back to the Cubs because they will get desperate and realize no one will overpay for Upton. The market is thinning and there isn’t much more out there that they can get unless they wait until the deadline again.

  • Fastball

    In my opinion this is one of those deals where GM gamesmanship will win out. At this point Theo has the upperhand. If the Rangers don’t try to put a deal together for Upton then Towers is running out of places to go. It’s going to take a bigger city market team to do an Upton deal. The second tier market teams cannot afford to do a deal for Upton. The list of suitors gets smaller and smaller. Towers has created a situation with Upton where the kid knows he isn’t wanted in Arizona. Let’s just say they have to hold onto him. He is going to have a burden on him that will probably effect his performance. He is still just a kid at 25. Playing for an organization that wants to get rid of you is going to be hard on him. His performance will not be the best. A happy guy is going to be better than a guy who just knows things are all F’d Up at work. That’s just natural. So when his performance isn’t great just like last season when he was played hurt and knowing he was not really wanted. This year it will be compounded. Arizona will get less. The best time to buy nice things is from someone who is going through a divorce has to sell their nice stuff. Hate to put it that way but … One man’s misfortune is another man’s gain. This Upton thing is going to turn into that. We can get him sooner or later and we won’t pay as much as some think.

    • mudge

      I hope you’re right.

  • Marcel91

    The fact that Towers even has the balls to ask for Castro is absurd. Does he really think we’re dumb enough to do this when atlanta and texas balked at trading their SS for Upton? Trading one impact player for another doesn’t represent improvement. In fact, all things considered…Upton-Castro would be a step backwards for this team. That deal will never happen on this FO watch.

    In before the obligatory “Starlin’s a headcase! I do this trade in a heartbeat!” Morons

  • Fastball

    If this Upton thing drags on for a few more months. Upton will come to Chicago. It will come to a head and he will want out of Arizona soon enough. If we get him and he is in a good environment where all his burdens are lifted he will perform. We will be the winners. I would predict that if we had him in our lineup we would become a very serious problem for a lot of teams this year. Our improved pitching depth and better defense will be there along with more offense. If we have Upton in RF our lineup gets a different feel to it.

    Here is a crazy idea. If we got Upton I would then go out and get Delmon Young. He can be had right now for cheap cheap. The dude can drive in runs and hit HR’s. He sucks in the OF but so do a lot of guys. If you had Sori in LF, Upton in CF and Young in RF then Barney is then the only weak link in the lineup when it comes to swinging a bat. I look at Delmon Young like Fat Elvis playing for the Cardinals. He sucks on defense but he hit enough to make up for it. We don’t sign him but for a year. We then have some serious mashers in our lineup. We still have DeJesus to play defense in RF later in the games and Schierholtz becomes our 5th OF’er where he ought to be. He is a good bat off the bench. Our team looks a lot better in the Win Column.

  • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

    I don’t think it’s a matter of Towers being greedy. It’s just that sometimes there’s no good fit.

    Especially considering that I doubt that Arizona wants Baez, considering they are trading all these players with perceived attitude problems, then is probably the only thing in the organization that they would want in an Upton trade.

    If I’m Towers, and the Cubs call and say “What would it take from us to get Upton,” I’m probably saying Castro too. Not because I’m demanding a ripoff or anything, but just because that’s literally the only thing the Cubs have that would make me want to make the trade. I’m not expecting them to say yes.

    Sometimes, there just isn’t a fit.

    • http://Isa Voice of reason

      Kyle you are exactly right. The cubs are not a fit with Arizona right now.

      They are going to want a solid player for upton. We are not trading Castro or rizzo for a guy making the money that upton is. And, they are not taking minor leaguers for a solid player like upton.

      So, we are not a match.

  • HateDemp

    Why have the Diamondbacks made the outfield moves they have and want to trade Upton? Someone please explain.

  • Fastball

    I have thought this over some more. I agree that we are not a fit for Upton. Especially if they are asking for the moon from us. If circumstances change and we become a trading partner where they start looking for prospects and ML players then I would send them a bunch of prospects for him. Not Baez or Soler but anyone else in the organization including Almora.

  • http://bleachernation.com hutch

    I would take castro over upton 100 times out of 100. Castro isnt even close to reaching his potential and i think hes better than upton now. I think upton is the player hes gonna be right now. Hes maxed out. I dont think hes a great player. Castro has the potential to be a top ten player for the next ten years. This year is when its really gonna come out. 300avg 25hr 90rbi and 30 swipes. Also has the ability to be a gold glover with improved focus the ability is there

  • cubsklm

    I would do Baez and the 2nd pick in the draft for Upton. Thoughts?

    • http://Isa Voice of reason

      I wouldn’t

    • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

      Two problems.

      1) I doubt the Diamondbacks are interested in Baez. They seem to be focused on trading away guys with perceived attitude problems. Baez isn’t their type of guy.

      2) You can’t trade ordinary draft picks in the MLB.

  • cheryl

    Too much for Upton. No deal for me!

  • Corey

    Jamie Quirk said that Wellington Castillo is light years better than last year and has the same skillset as Yadier Molina.

    Being compared to Yadi, holy shit.

    • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

      It’s that time of year. I remember when we got “Bradon Harris:Albert Pujols” comparisons.

      Anyone want to start a pool on when we get our first “rededicated himself to baseball” story?

      • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

        Or at least “best shape of his life.”

        • Kygavin

          Cubs wise: 100% Vogelbach

          • praying the cubs get ready to win

            Vogelbach, Barney, Wood and Dejesus for Uptown and maybe a minor leaguer, there is my trade for Uptown.

            • Kevin Towers

              I respectfully decline your offer.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          heh, one of the main beat writers for the Minnesota Twins had a great article a year or two ago about translating the spring-training speak. He goes through all the Sports Talk Radio euphemisms (such as “best shape of his life” and “rededicated”), and points out what they really mean.

          For example, turning up early means….. they really have had too much time and home and want to get back together with their drinking buddies.

          The clubhouse still misses him means…. that the sportswriters still miss him. (He used Tori Hunter as an example: the writers miss him, but almost none of the Twins players by that time had ever known the guy).

          The great thing is that it’s just as harsh on the sports media and the fans as it is on the players. I’ll see if I can find a link to it….

      • Kygavin

        Id put my money on Delmon Young (if anyone signs that cancer)

  • Kygavin

    Why anyone would turn down a Baez for Upton deal is beyond me. Yes Castro is way too much to pay for Upton and they wouldnt necessarily want Rizzo either considering they have Goldschmidt, but dealing Baez for a 25 yr old potential MVP is a steal IMO. A potential OF of Soler-Almora-Upton is just nasty and when you throw in Rizzo and Castro it could be one of the best lineups in the NL.

    With that being said if the Dbacks want SP, the Cubs arent a match since they lack impact SP in the high minors, but like what was said above the longer Towers waits the lower the price for Upton will get. After all that has happened this offseason would you want to go back and play in a place that the FO doesnt want you?

    • http://Isa Voice of reason

      First of all upton would have to want to come here.

      Second the diamondbacks aren’t trading upton for that package. They understandably want a quality major leaguer in return for their young, solid, player.

      Third I want to keep Baez. He could become something special. If upton was making 5mil a year and locked for 5yrs it would make it more intriguing.

      The cubs aren’t a match to trade for upton unless you want to trade rizzo or Castillo for him.

      • Kygavin

        The no-trade-clause is all about leverage (like having Boston on it). So him not wanting to come to Chicago shouldnt be that big of an issue.

        “Quality major leaguer” The package they accepted from SEA had no quality major leaguer. It had 2 prospects and 2 RP so i would disagree there

        He is making $38.5/3yrs which is completely reasonable considering he finished 4th in the MVP voting in 2011, plus the NTC would most likely be grounds for an extension

        The 2 guys you said they would need in a deal for Upton are 2 positions that the Dbacks dont need since again they have Goldschmidt at 1B and Montero at C

        • http://Isa Voice of reason

          Ask the mariners if uptons no trade clause isn’t that big of a deal.

          They had a deal to trade for upton this month, but upton said no!!

          That’s a pretty big deal!

          • Kygavin

            SEA is death for a hitter. Huge park and a terrible offense why would he say yes? The Cubs play in a hitters park and have a decent core of bats where he could put up solid numbers.

            • http://thecubcontrarian.blogspot.com Kyle

              Seattle moved their fences in this offseason.

              The “he’s using his no-trade for leverage” is overplayed a bit. We know he didn’t want to play in Seattle. There was at least one report that he never wants to play in Boston.

              • Kygavin

                Seattle moved their fences in but the park is still bigger than Angels Stadium which was the 4th best pitchers park according to park factors so that wont really have that big of an impact, plus why would he want to leave a hitters park for a pitchers park if he has the choice not to?

    • http://yahoo Roy tidwell

      I do wonder if the Cubs would even consider giving up Baez right now. To get Upton. Upton has had his issues. I think If the team they are heading to ST with just gets a reasonable amout of additional production from 3B and C we will be MUCH better than last year. Those positions were our downfall most of last season at the plate. I hope we keep Sori. He showed finally last season he has adjusted to his own limits. If he still hits this is not a bad looking team. Can they win the division? No I don’t think so But could they win 75 to 85 games? Yes but only if the Gambling that the FO has done with all the pitching works out at least 60% positive. Add in one or two of this mid level guys we have signed having career years. We could win 85 to 95 games. The bottom line for 2013 is all based on IF’S. But again If your not a Pie In The Sky Fan. We have a GREAT foundation to work with. Theo keep stealing those prospects any time you can. This is the first REAL rebuilding this team has done since the 60’s. Many of us have faith and can see your vision.

      • Drew7

        Can you provide specifics on Upton’s “issues”? This seems to be the the general consensus, but I don’t remember actually seeing or hearing specific examples of his supposed attitude problem.

        • Dustin S

          There have been a number of things with Upton if you look him up in the Arizona media articles. Last year his relationship with fans declined progressively through the year, many saying he wasn’t putting in 100%. He’s been accused of not running out plays/balls/etc at times. But the kicker and what really gave him a bad rap last year was when he made a comment to a reported that “he doesn’t care anything about fans”. He got booed pretty badly for much of the season after that at home. I think it’s a good part of the reason AZ has been anxious to trade him. This is also a guy who turned down a trade that would have been awesome for AZ with Seattle, so he didn’t do them any favors there.

          His stats are awesome, and he could be a great guy, but the above are things that I would have to factor in if I were making an offer for him for my team. He definitely doesn’t seem like a Garza, sit at the top of the dugout even when not playing, kind of guy.

          • Kygavin

            Why would he accept a trade that is good for Arizona but bad for him? That would mean Soriano has a bad attitude for turning down a SF deal.

            And Upton’s full comment on the booing: “To be honest with you, I don’t care anything what the fans think of me,” Upton said. “My teammates, my coaches, they know I come here and I bust it every single day. I try to do everything I can to help this team. My teammates have my back and whatever the fans want to think, they can think. They can call me lazy. I have heard that in the outfield. They can call me washed up. Whatever they want to call me but at the end of the day I am thankful for every opportunity to come out on a baseball field and I will try my hardest every day.”
            Does that sound like a bad teammate or a guy with an attitude problem? At this time he was in the middle of a bad season that he was hurt and getting booed by his home fans. I think he has a right to be a little frustrated.

            Also you never hear about the charity work that he does or the foundation that he and BJ started. But of course all you hear are the “bad” things so he gets a bad rep. He is a young guy who was frustrated by his season and the fans reaction and it got blown out of proportion

            • Seth

              +1 dude. You just made me appreciate Upton, I think more Diamondbacks fans need to realize this.

      • Assman22

        Cubs offered Baez in a deal for Upton but Towers is holding at Castro. Towers offered Upton++ for Castro….

        • arta

          where did u read that? i believe Towers would take Baez plus.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            Probably not: Towers wants someone who can play SS now, and Baez is a couple of years away at least. Of course, Gregorius First of His Name undoubtedly will be holding that position for years to come…..

            • Voice of Reason

              So, we finally have a young prospect who looks really good in Baez and we want to trade him as soon as we can? And, trade him for an outfielder who is making a lot of money AND has a bit of a reputation for being trouble and/or lazy?

              My question is… why would the Diamondbacks want to trade him? What is wrong with him? They sign other outfielders for big bucks when they already have one who is 25 in Upton?

              Let Baez develop. He is under team control for a while AND available at a good price, certainly when compared to Upton. Also, Baez plays a position that is much tougher to find rookies at than in the outfield.

              The Diamondbacks apparently don’t want Upton… why should we?

              • Kygavin

                Because 25 yr old potential MVP’s dont get put on the trading block every day. Last year he was hurt and had a “terrible season”, yet his BB and K rates both improved and he got better towards the end of the year when he got healthier.
                The lazy/bad attitude thing comes from fans who booed him AT HOME. He has a right to be frustrated by this, Plus he is still young, and has tremendous upside why not take a shot?
                The big thing is its about value, Upton would never had been on the block at this time a year before, and the FO have already shown that they will take a chance on someone like that (Vizcaino would never have been on the block a year before the Cubs got him). He is a 25 yr old potential MVP i think thats a good enough reason to want him

  • mudge

    It seems to me that the Cubs will be adequate with their platoon in right field, and the biggest problem is center field, if you want to gamble on Stewart/Valbuena being adequate at third. Do you risk Brett Jackson’s psyche in striking out 200 times over the long-term value of him maybe getting his swing together in AAA? When is pitching & d not pitching and d? When you don’t have a center fielder.

  • Fastball

    That’s A Nice!!!!

    Boy that would sure make our catcher situation become solid for a while. I hope he is right.

    I was listening to Boster Posey do an interview yesterday. He didn’t play catcher not even once until he was 19 or 20 in college. He was supposed to be a big time pitcher and tried catching and loved it. I wonder if the Cubbies have ever thought of Junior Lake as a catcher. He has the best arm in the Cubs organization. Maybe if we can’t find a fit for him in the infield or outfield we give him a shot as a catcher. The dude is a physical specimen, he is athletic and would look good in catchers gear. He has something like a 98 or 99 mph infield arm on him. Just a thought…

    • Jeremy

      He’s too big to play catcher.

      • mudge

        Center then. Or they could trade him for Joakim Noah.

      • DarthHater

        Lake is 6-2, 215.
        Posey is 6-1, 220
        Wieters is 6-5, 240

        I won’t bother continuing. Whether or not Lake is catcher material has nothing to do with size.

        • Crazyhorse

          good point – I was thinking damn how small does a catcher needs to be.I have honestly never heard of a player being to big to be a catcher. Too small- fragile – slow cause your wide lol

          • DarthHater

            I think it might be true that a smaller guy has greater chance of success as a catcher than at some other positions. But it doesn’t follow that bigger guy can’t play catcher.

            Also, if Lake is too big to be a catcher, then surely he must also be too big to be a shortstop.

          • King Jeff

            I think it’s more that the big guys age poorly and become injury prone late in their careers. Think Carlton Fisk.

        • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie

          A J Pierzyski. 6 ‘3 245 pounds


          • louis

            Michael Barrett, 6’3 185 pounds haha

  • Mike

    I hope we don’t get Justin Upton. Nice player, nice stats. But too much trouble to obtain and too much headache in the no-trade dept. He’s not worth it.

  • daveyrosello

    If Kevin Towers is truly dumb as a stump–as many believe–then kudos to Theo for rattling his cage to see if he’s ready to be dumb again. If I’m Jedstein, I offer Towers Brett Jackson, Josh Vitters and a fringey arm (Rafael Dolis), take it or leave it. If he’s sane, Towers is the one that makes the dialtone this time, but you’ve put the crazy thought in his head, so who knows, can’t hurt. Jedi mind tricks from Theo.

    • Crazyhorse

      is this a comic book ending ? seems like the front offices that made Jedi mind tricks was Reds and Colorado on Jedstien but that a different debate. Vitters should not be traded until the limp wrist Stewart proves that his wrist is not limp anymore and to include Dolis and Jackson has no bearing on Upton . but hey you did manage to say that your idols are like Jedi – may the force be with you!

  • Jason (Thundermug)

    Well it will be interesting to see when the D-backs do trade Upton what kind of package they get for him. Your not going to get a Stud back trade like they want. Getting 3 really good prospects is what your going to get for Upton

    • Crazyhorse

      The trade proposal as I understand was Upton For Castro. Honestly that trade can be debated either way, positive or a negative for both teams They are both young explosive players that seems to have bright futures with proven tack records of their ability. I personally feel we keep Castro only because he is an infielder and has a Club friendly contract.

      • DarthHater

        I think middle infielders who can hit are often overvalued, but if you’ve got one with a friendly contract, like Castro, that’s an asset so valuable that you don’t trade him unless you’re getting back a real game-changing return. Upton isn’t close, especially not with his unfavorable contract situation and the fact that he would demand a big extension to agree to a trade to the Cubs. A trade involving Castro and a player like Stanton, however, might be a different matter.

  • DarthHater

    @TheCCO Quirk: Welington Castillo is light years from where he was last year. He has all of the physical tools to be Yadier Molina. #Cubs #CubsCon

    Hey, Brett! Don’t drink the koolaid at the convention!! It’s spiked!!! 😉

    • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie


  • Hansman1982

    Cubs ponying up cash and starting the refurbishing. Anyone care to debate ricketts is cheap or that they are just looking for a quick profit?

    • Adventurecizin’ Justin

      I can’t debate with you, sir, because I’m glad he got the team and not Cuban.

      • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie


    • http://401klogic.net Westbound Willie


    • Richard Nose

      So happy that talk subsided.

    • Crazyhorse

      I doubt Ricketts is looking for a quick profit. His family is making an investment . I think the first two years he spent unwisely going for middle tier Free agents with a lot of baggage did not pay off. I think he hired a green Front Office that made mistakes but over time will improve through experience. I also think that a total rebuild was wrong but we are in that direction and might as well only open up the pocketbook when the right player presents it self. I think the Cubs made some terrible moves that made a 101 loss season the record that they deserved.

      As with any off season I tend to grade a team in what the front office does to improve a team . last years off season was an F. this off season so far i grade it as an A only because I truly feel the objective is to improve the 25 man roster

      Ricketts Cricketts the only sound one will hear in the bleachers comes jAug-Sept- was true.

    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

      There are just funneling money into Wrigley to hide it from the IRS, the are so cheap, I bet they will increase an Old Style to $20 for a Dixie cup and charge $10 extra if you want your hot dog on a bun. CHEAP RICKEY

      • Tom A.

        Ugh, another silly comment, wish you were Ohio State Goat — given that I am Michigan fan.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Well I’m an IU grad and fan living in Michigan so no need to worry about that, thanks for insight 😉

  • Mike

    Garza and Vitters for Upton.

    • Voice of Reason

      The Diamondbacks are not going to trade Upton for a pitcher who missed the second half of last year with an arm injury and a third baseman who can’t hit or play third base.

  • http://yahoo Roy tidwell

    Upton deal if something does happen is NOT going to include Castro plain and simple castro is a rising star an Upton is still floundering in shallow waters. Maybe the cubs wouldn’t consider Barney and a high level prospect along with a throw in prospect or two. Castro if ever on the trade block wont be until Baez is ready to be an everyday player. Maybe 2 or 3 seasons down the road. I personally am content watching these young kids develope. Then we can fill the hols with the FA market. In another year I see the team needing a FA for third, catcher and an additional OF bat. Then we will be the contenders we are hoping to be. If you look at what we have done this winter. That looks to be the direction Theo is going. He is assembling the pitching staff now for the future. We will contend in 2014 and WILL go to the playoffs in 2015 and maybe beyond.

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