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stoveCurtis Granderson broke his forearm, and will be out for about 10 weeks.

That’s all it took to set Twitter ablaze with Alfonso Soriano rumors, led by, among others, Buster Olney, who suggested that Soriano had previously told him that Soriano would accept a trade to the Yankees. He added that the Cubs have told everyone they’ll eat plenty enough of Soriano’s remaining two-years and $36 million to make him a palatable outfield candidate.

So, perfect fit, right? The Yankees were already looking for a right-handed power bat in the outfield, so maybe this is the impetus that pushes them over the edge?

Yeah, maybe.

But before we explode into a rumor tizzy, consider that Granderson will be back in early May. Is that a reason for them to acquire a two-year outfielder like Soriano? And, even if the Cubs eat a ton of his salary, Soriano will still cost the Yankees millions this and next year. Given their desire to get under the $189 million luxury tax limit in 2014, could they take on Soriano even if they wanted?

Further consider that, although his sources had told him differently a week ago, Gordon Wittenmyer now says Soriano, himself, has indicated that he would not accept a trade to the Yankees. We’ll see how that holds going forward, but Soriano – with full no-trade rights – holds all of the cards. If he’s not interested in going to the Yankees, then any speculation about whether the Yankees’ need is now at its zenith is merely an academic exercise.

And finally, consider that the Cubs may prefer to hold onto Soriano until the trade deadline, when his value may have increased (or his market), and when they know for certain that a miracle 2013 season isn’t happening.

Maybe we hear some David DeJesus rumors, too, but it seems like a righty bat is a better fit for the very left-handed outfield in New York.

We’ll see if this goes anywhere.

  • http://www.wavesoftalent.webs.com tim815

    Bigger problem. The Yankees don’t want to give a prospect. Until that changes, it doesn’t matter.

    • CubFan Paul

      Because that’s the truth.

  • fromthemitten

    I would love to trade Sori for Gary Sanchez, a top catching prospect

    • sclem21

      yea no shot there. top 20 prospect in all of baseball according to klaw…

    • Kyle

      yea and I would love to trade sori for robinson cano too. cmon people.

  • http://www.thesportsfeast.com/category/ncaa-bb/mvc BAIRSDEN

    If Matt Diaz and Juan Rivera struggle these next 2-3 weeks of spring then maybe.

  • StevenF

    I am certain, that if Soriano were to be completely candid, he would admit that the Yankees would be his FIRST choice. tim815 is correct – reports have indicated that the Yankees don’t want to give up value (unless of course they’re just posturing).
    The Cubs are not likely going to the World Series this year, so if a good deal can be made, of course the Cubs must do it. That would clear the way for a quicker return for Jackson if he looks good.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      The Yanks also have a very empty farm system: after four Top 100 guys (all in A ball or lower, I think), they don’t have much. That makes it very tough for them to give up “value”: they probably do not deem Sori worth a Top 100 guy (= Top 3 or 4 in the average system), but the Cubs are going to think that Sori is at least worth at Top 200 guy (ranked 3rd to 7th in the average system), and possibly more.

      • http://www.wavesoftalent.webs.com tim815

        If the Yanks don’t offer quality (in Theo’s eyes), no sale. On a DBacks blog, they hope to trade to keep Starling Peralta. Unless they’re trading something Theo values more than a starting pitcher in High-A, not happening. For the same reason.

        • Good Captain

          I take the implication of Dback’s fans’ talk being that they don’t deem it likely they can make room for Peralta to fulfill Rule 5 requirements then. I hope they’re right.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            I don’t see any way the Diamondbacks can carry Peralta for a full season, not unless they fall out of contention in a hurry.

            Then again, given some of the moves Arizona made this year, that may not be such an unlikely turn of events.

  • TSB

    Good thing for the Yankees that Granderson didn’t play in the World Baseball Classic; he could have been injured!

    • http://www.wavesoftalent.webs.com tim815

      snickers

  • rich

    It seems Soriano could care less about winning , just fattening his stats at Wrigley Field !

  • cubzfan

    Soriano doesn’t want to be a full-time DH. Yankees don’t want to give up a good prospect. Solution? Soriano, a second player, and money for Granderson and a B minor leaguer. Sori knows LF is open with NY because Curtis is gone. Cubs can flip Granderson after he heals, or possibly make a qualifying offer after the season to get another draft pick. The second Cub player could be Marmol, Bowden, Valbuena–just about anyone not in the “core” that might make the Yankees better this year off the bench or out of the pen.

  • rich

    It,s true what you say about about the dh thing , it just seems to me he has 1 excuse after another !

  • Mike

    Soriano trade, maybe. Yanks could try to trade for DeJesus as well. I know he doesn’t have much in the way of power at all. Yet, he does hit from the left side.

  • Rcleven

    What Incentive does Sorri have to go anywhere?
    When this contract expires he’ll retire anyway.
    As fans we would like to move for return but if you were in his shoes what would you do.
    He has 10/5 rights and he deserves to say when and where he goes.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      Sori’s incentive is that he wants to get to post-season again, and he’d like to play on the “east coast.” (What exactly he means by “east coast” is not clear, but NYC qualifies under almost any definition.)

      That said, Sori clearly has earned the right to stay if he pleases, and I certainly cannot begrudge him that. If I had a boss tell me to move, then I’d tell him/her to to bent!

      • Hansman1982

        Would you tell them that or just do it?

        Public employees do have that wonderful luxury after their 10 years.

  • rich

    Tell him to stop the bs then. he says he would go to a contender bs !

    • AB

      Quit spamming

    • Rcleven

      Right now there are 30 MLB teams in contention.
      Which one should he pick?

  • Abe Froman

    Through Jon Heymen the Yankees are saying they won’t give up a ‘good’ prospect, much less a ‘great’ one. These guys know the other front offices in baseball and they know Theo and Jed aren’t desperate to dump payroll and that Soriano is not in dire standing with the team. Basically they are saying we are not willing to make this happen by any reasonable actual prospect price it would take. To me this reads as an indication the trade is a long shot (unless they have another injury).

    Regarding his general trade value, I don’t want to get my hopes too high, but I think there’s a decent chance if Soriano gets moved we may be pleasantly surprised by the return (blue, Epstein flavored Kool-Aid is delicious and good for you). Unless ‘the wheels come off’ and he has a terrible first half (Dan Plesac always used to say that when he was on CSN).

  • Saving Grace

    I like Ty Hensley if the Cubs could pull him away from the Yankees
    He has some issue that came up with his shoulder,but projects well
    Just graduated from HS, and has been called a probable fast mover up the system
    Would be a nice solid RH pitching prospects with a high ceiling

    Yanks might be wiling to move him before their top prospects

    • gocatsgo2003

      Pretty sure he couldn’t be traded yet.

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  • http://bleachernation.com ramy16

    I hope we keep Soriano..great club house presence..plus these kids are learning from him! He probably our clubhouse leader..but if I were to trade Soriano I would hope maybe either Hughes or Eduardo Nunez?

  • CubsFaninAZ

    Sori doesnt want to be traded till the deadline and thats only if they stink again, then he’d wanna chance to play for a contender. He wants to try and WIN first and foremost with the Cubs. And i like this approach, it sends signals to all the younger and new guys that this team doesnt plan to just roll over all year long. He sounds like a guy whos confident in this clubs ability almost as if they can be sneaky good like the A’s last year. But if they fail to do so then yeah, he would like to go and try to be on a contender. And dont consider the yankees a contender just yet, their old, and not very deep, they could be a few injurys away from a disastrous season, and i think Sori is smart enough to see that. He simply will wait till the deadline so they know who for sure whos contenders and whos pretenders. Some surprise contenders may emerge and increase interest in Sori, like say the Pirates. So i think all the Soriano talk should just go away till deadline cause he is not going anywhere. He’s smart and so is our front office and i think they dont have interest in dealing him till the deadline either, unless the get a match on the value their seeking.

  • Die hard

    Soriano in a 3 team deal going to Tampa with Cubs getting Fontenot and 2 minor league pitchers and Yankees getting Tampa’s DH

    • gocatsgo2003

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      • Die hard

        Luke Scott would hit a ton at Yankee Stadium ….Yankees would split with Tampa by paying half of $5 mil asking price with Cubs picking up balance of Sorianos contract…. a deal that helps everyone

        • gocatsgo2003

          And the Cubs would want Fontenot… Why?

      • Mike

        Well, most Cubs fans are stupid, and I’m a fan. So, we’re all probably just stupid.

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    The MLB office has to approve a trade involving someone on the DL…

    Granderson’s “1 month rental” + $26M dollars we’d be splitting the bill for Soriano…

    Eh, I’d rather have Soriano in LF until the trade deadline.

  • The Dude Abides

    Pay all of Soriano’s contract for the Yankees and get Gary Sanchez their top catching prospect and be done with it.

    • BWA

      not gonna happen

  • macpete22

    If the Yankees really did want Soriano, the Cubs would have all the leverage in trade talks. They could squeeze something of value out of them

    • Die hard

      Sorianos value will never be higher than now before his knees show their age in April cold at Wrigley

  • another JP

    It comes down to one simple fact- Sori is too expensive at his age for any team to consider unless Theo gives him away. And he’s too smart to do that. DeJesus is much more likely to be dealt because the Cubs won’t have to eat that much salary to make a trade, he doesn’t have a NTC, and his OBP is still high enough to warrant interest. Outside of Rizzo, Soriano is our only consistent power threat and wants to stay in Chicago. Keep him here, end of story.

  • Cheryl

    Soriano is comfortable where he is. He talks about going to a contender but he’s more comforatable being closer to home. Why would he want a trade at this stage of his life? He’s earned 10-5 rights and if he doesn’t want to be traded so be it. He may even prefer to ride the bench and pinch hit when needed.

    • Mike

      If the Cubs keep Soriano, I hope he has to ride the bench and only pinch hit and spot start for all of 2013. I really don’t care what the stupid players union wants, I really don’t. Let him ride pine for this year, and, if necessary, next year. I don’t care about 10-5 rights, or any other excuse. He makes 18 MIL per season for the next two years: play where ever you are told to play. If he has to sit on the bench for the entire year, he may reconsider his ridiculous position of “seeing if the Cubs can win this year”. Let’s face it: he’s comfortable playing in Chicago, for loads of money, with no real expectations. He’s gotten to comfortable. Time to play hardball with him and bench him. And, to heck with the players’ union. Let all the overpaid babies sit on the bench….players have way too much power anymore. And, for all you 20-something fans who think you know better, you don’t.

      • BWA

        Ya I really want to bench the only guy on our team capable of protecting rizzo so he gets to see some good pitches and continue developing. Oh and 30 HR and 100 RBI too. We can’t get nearly his value to us in a trade right now, so the Cubs would be smart to wait till the deadline anyways. And if he produces, then retires a Cub after 2014, we have nothing to complain about because he has been worth his contract in many ways.

      • Pat

        There is no one better to take his place. People who make decisions based on emotion do not reach the level of a MLB manager or GM.

  • Mike

    Soriano is just another Ryan Dempster. I love how Soriano would have to “think about it” (quoted from Soriano on Sunday) regarding a trade. I know he has 10-5 rights and can veto any deal. I wish the Cubs would just release him. He’s an $18MIL spoiled brat, who goes back and forth between wanting to be on a contender and if a new team’s weather is too cold for his knees. If he was released, he wouldn’t be able to keep the Cubs’ front office on a string anymore….and then he’d have to play for someone, some team, somewhere…unless he opted for retirement, which he’s not going to do. The owners really need to re-think and insist on changing the 10-5 rule. If a player signs for eight-figures a year, they should have to play on any MLB club. For all of you who want to side with overpaid baseball players, go ahead: I really don’t care how much owners make. Soriano, and the like, are paid ridiculously well to play baseball (not work in a factory, or some other real job). They have fame and fortune….play where ever you are friggin’ told to play. I hope the Cubs eat his remaining 36 MIL and get rid of him. I don’t care about compensation in a trade anymore. Having him gone is compensation enough for me.

    • BWA

      I have never said this to anyone on this board, and there have been some stupid people, but you are an idiot. Soriano still produces more than the majority of major league outfielders, and he has been good to the cubs.

    • bails17

      Mike…the thought that a guy doesn’t have the right to say when he and his family can and will move to another city or country for that matter at some point in his career is crazy stupid. Soriano has held up his part of the bargain. As bad as his contract is or has been, there have been and are worse out there for sure.

      On another note, you really have no idea how hard it is to do what these guys do. They simply sacrafice and work harder then most factory workers I know. Most guys in the big leagues have worked their tails off to get there. Not just since they were drafted, but for many years before that. Unless you played at a high level, you most likely have no understanding of what it takes to be a player like Soriano.

  • http://It'searly Mike F

    Yeah Soriano is a gold glove outfielder who has an ethic to win like no other. His contract was a steal. And he has done more to keep managers in place and is the sole reason Jim Hendry is still the GM. How the hell could anyone want to trade him? After all he’s an overachiever who has incredible value on a franchise that only missed the WS slightly? Right.

    Please, let’s get real. Soriano is an underachiever who is rich and likes being an underachiever where he is the center of attention and comfortable. He’s the not a good influence on young players and to their credit Theo and the staff have created this image brilliantly in 1 year, taking the poster boy and central figure in the Hendry failures and turning him into this now HOF all world incredible guy. Yet watch, they will take the first decent offer and pay a lot of money to get him out of here and make way for the new. Too many have bought the sizzle of the steak that tastes like shoe leather, starting with Alfonso.

    • MichiganGoat

      So you don’t like Soriano? I’m not sure if you’ve made yourself clear.

      • Timothy Scarbrough

        I think he is saying Soriano is his favorite Cub.

    • BluBlud

      Mike or Mike F or Both of you,

      I respect your views, as we have a right to feel however we want about whoever we want. However, Soriano has been pretty close to a model teammate and has set a pretty decent example for the youngsters to follow, if you are into the adult role model for other adults type of thing. Has he been perfect? No. Name me one professional athlete that has been. If he wants to wait and see if the Cubs can be a contender, I can repsect that. I would actually prefer it, considering that I don’t want the Cubs to trade him at all unless we are getting a stud prospect in return. Personally, I wouldn’t trade him for less then say Mike Olt straight up, which seems unlikely. That’s at a minimun for me, but I have his value pretty high. I would prefer to just ride it out with Sori, and come trade deadline 2014, if we are not in the race, then trade him to a contender. If we are going to be in it next year, he seems like the kind of guy we might trade for, so why dump him now if the return is not sufficient.

      • JR

        I really don’t get why so many people constantly stick up for Soriano. Sure, he had a good year last year. But the fact he showed he could actually play left field last year makes me wonder what the hell he was doing the other 5 YEARS out there?? I don’t buy into the fact he was finally coached correctly. I am completely over him and want him moved for any value at all. And I really could care less if he is a “googe locker room guy” Who gives a shit? Just my 2 cents…

        • JR

          *good locker room guy

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I give a shit. Those things do matter, especially on a young team.

          • JR

            I guess it’s important. But at the same time I think a lot of that stuff gets over blown. Maybe Soriano reminds me of the Hendry era. I just really want him moved because I don’t think he can do it again this year. But I think other teams don’t believe he’ll be good again either. That’s the problem.

        • Edwin

          To be fair, for those “other 5 years”, he was incredible his first year with the Cubs. And he was very good his second year. Then he was terrible his third year, good his fourth year, bad his fifth year, and then good last year.

          So far for his contract, he’s had 4 good to great years, and 2 terrible years. That’s pretty good for a guy who was already 30 when the Cubs signed him.

        • BluBlud

          I could or Couldn’t(which ever one is correct) careless if he is a good locker room guy or not. I’m not really into that sort of thing in adult sports. I think every man should be responsible for himself and his own actions and if another players actions keeps you from performing to the best of your abilities, thats says more about you then the player with “bad actions.”

          But the man can play now. Who cares what he has done over the first 5 or 6 years. What he did in 2007-2012 is not going to win us a World Series in 2013 and beyond. He can play the field decently now and moving foward, and thats what matters. He provides value with his bat. He is a top 30 guy offensively, which means he qualifies to be a teams top offensive threat. Why trade him for a guy who may or may not see the Majors at some point while still paying out 26 million. I think the FO feels the same way. If they get good value, they’ll move him. If not, they’ll keep him.

          Also, coaching can go a long way. It may not have been his effort in the field, it may have been his knowledge. It may have been his positioning. Sveum may have put him in the position to make him successful in the field, decreasing his frustration level, making him a better all around outfielder. I’m not defending Soriano. I’m defending his value to the Cubs, verses the value of what the Cubs may recieve by trading him. Trading Soriano for a player with a Ceiling of a utility player, with a small chance of actually reaching that ceiling, while dishing out 26 million dollars makes no sense. Dumping a productive player by way of trade, or just by releasing him while still having to pay him, just to spend more money to sign another player to replace him who is less porductive make no baseball sense and even less economical sense.

          This is a business, not a city league softball team where you dump a guy because nobody likes playing with him. Soriano is doing nothing to cost the Cubs wins, and in fact is helping the Cubs win games. That has value, and you don’t just throw that value down the drain.

    • AB

      Mike’s second paragraph is Limbaugh-esque.

      Bravo

  • I-cubsFanBoy

    In 2012 Alfonso Soriano ranked 21st among National League position players in wins above replacement with 4.0 (tied with Brandon-freakin’-Phillips). The next Cub on the list was Starlin Castro, almost a full WAR behind Fonzy. If you don’t understand the WAR concept enough to know how significant that is, then you probably shouldn’t waste your/our time trashing him on internet message boards.

    • another JP

      Bingo, Fanboy. Theo lamented the lack of “impact talent” on the Cubs and in their system and right now Castro and Soriano are the only playes we have that fit that description. Rizzo and Spellcheck might make that status one day but until we develop more 3-4+ WAR talent we’ll be hard pressed to be much more than a .500 ball club.

  • Bigg J

    I told you that the Yanks will come around and give a good prospect the Cubs. There are reports of Vernon Wells and if that is the case then they are deffinitely in on Soriano. They will cave and give the Cubs a good prosepct now.

    • TWC

      Saying “I told you so” is usually more effective when your clairvoyant predictions actually manifest something other than rumors.

      HTH.

  • Mr. Future Ashley Chavez

    I think the Yankees will be willing to part with at least one of these guys if they are just paying for $5M/year for Soriano: Kahnie, Marshall, Turley, Romine, Flores, Ramirez, Almonte, Montgomery.

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