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Ouch. Again.

Travis Wood and Derek Holland were locked in quite a pitcher’s battle until the 8th when Wood (apparently) started to get into a little trouble and Shawn Camp couldn’t bail him out. That proved to be the difference, as the Cubs went on to do the teaser-rally thing in the bottom of the 9th, scoring a couple on a pinch-hit, bases-loaded double by Nate Schierholtz. That rally all came with two outs and nobody on, but the game ended on a Darwin Barney liner to center that Craig Gentry dove and caught. If it drops, the game is tied. If the ball skips past him, the Cubs win.

Freaking ugh. That hurts.

The Cubs offense logged just two hits and no walks in seven innings off of Holland. Whatever. Derek Holland’s mustache is ugly anyway. It’s no Carlos Villanueva.

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  • Spencer

    Someone else needs to lead off.

    • A_Mazz_Ing

      Yeah… Like ANYBODY ELSE.

    • npnovak

      DeJesus should probably just play against lefties

  • Spencer

    And this bullpen sucks.

  • Cubbie Blues

    That was just painful.

  • willis

    Should have let Wood wiggle out of that 8th inning. Hell he was at 91 pitches. And you have a shaky bullpen. Let the guy fight through.

    • Seth

      I agree. With as bad as the bullpen has been, Wood should have stayed out there to finish the 8th.

  • Kyle

    It’s a shame it was a weekday night game with undoubtedly few people watching, because that was an epic fake rally. 90th percentile level.

    Attendance down 5k/game compared with last year through 7 home games.

    • jayrig5

      The weather is as different as possible, though, from last spring. But it does bear watching.

      • Kyle

        Going into tonight’s game, the average temp was 44, vs. 52 last year.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          Wow, that sucks. It’s been baking in DC this spring, and we never got a winter. We already are using the AC! Of course, that sucks, too.

          • Cubbie Blues

            Tomorrow will be my first day of 80 degree weather.

          • ReiCow

            Uhh, DC had a hard (for DC) winter. Heck, March was 11 degrees below average… It wasn’t a Chicago winter, but…

            Moo.

  • Matty Ice

    “Until Wood got into a little bit of trouble.”

    Walking a guy with one out(all close pitches), and only having thrown 92 pitches is not a little bit of trouble. Way to show confidence in your starter.

    • willis

      Thank you…I was at 91, maybe it was at 92, either way the way he was pitching is a better option than any arm in that pen. There was no trouble. There was Sveum making another bad decision. And that’s happened about every game this year.

      • Koyie Hill Sucks

        taking out wood was a bad decision, putting in camp in a 1 run game after he imploded was the 2nd bad decision.

        Sveum is getting a free pass because everyone just assumes this team sucks but he has to take some flak for today’s decisions….

        • willis

          He’s had terrible decisions in almost every game, but yes, to your point, he gets a free pass from most cubs fans. He’s Theo’s guy, so, many think he’s blameless. Which is ridiculous. Dude couldn’t manage a drunk to drink.

          • waittilthisyear

            i agree. sveums decisions are becoming more and more noticeable, and not in a good way

            • willis

              Always have been. The guy is as hard headed as one gets. He’s not fit to manage. And any argument to the contrary is only backed by “he has nothing to work with” when in fact his team should be around 8-5 or better this year.

    • jayrig5

      I agree, was surprised to see the hook. At least Camp made his ridiculous throwing error moot by hanging a slider to Beltre right after.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I meant that to read sarcastically.

  • wkranz54

    Bullpen is getting rocked. Can’t win close games when they keep struggling. I was hoping for the best, but couldn’t help but suspect Camp would not be able to maintain his high level of play from last year. Maybe Loe helps.

  • Ben (BG2383)

    The whole team is awful but the bullpen is especially painful to watch. We should have expected Camp to have a bad year though after the amount of innings and appearances we pitched last year.

    • Rcleven

      Not all is bad. We have a starting rotation with 7 quality starts. With a little run support we could be well over .500.

      • cedlandrum

        Well yeah that is good, but 5 of those came from 2 guys who weren’t suppose to make the rotation. Ha! Kinda funny.

  • Seth

    Ugh. So many wasted chances this season already.

  • Troy

    I think we need to send sappelt down bring Sweeney up.

    • willis

      Bring anyone up.

      • Koyie Hill Sucks

        how about all those fringe starting pitchers? I’m sure you can find on better than the current lot of bullpen pitchers, certainly better than kevin gregg…

    • Andrew

      Sweeney is left handed, he would never play

    • Rcleven

      Wrong handed bat.

  • hansman1982

    For all the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the bullpen (quite a bit of it is deserved), the offense deserves ALL of the blame in this game.

    • Rcleven

      +++.

    • willis

      Ok, I’ll agree with you there to a point, but how about the lineup used (all righty joker lineup)? Do you blame the offense or the person responsible for the lineup? I really don’t mind Hairston getting AB’s against lefties, I do have a problem with Sappelt, especially when both Dejesus and Schieholtz are both seeing the ball incredibly well. Why not give them a shot against a lefty?

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Neither DeJesus or Schierholtz see the ball well from lefties. It’s not a “hot/not hot” thing: it’s a pretty well established pattern throughout their careers. Old dogs, new tricks, etc.

        • hansman1982

          Hairston is suffering from a slightly depressed BABIP right now.

        • willis

          Maybe not, but is it any worse than guys hitting less than .100, hell almost less than .050 on the year? As well as those two have been dialed in, it can’t be any worse than the bullcrap we have had with Sappelt thus far. I don’t necessarily think both should be in there, but one of them batting left, right, backwards is better than Sappelt.

          • DocPeterWimsey

            “The year” is, what, 2 weeks now? The guys in question have had 15-20 PAs. That means nothing. Heck, averages over 100 PAs (and the regulars are only about half way to that) mean nothing: nearly a quarter of the 0.350 OBP guys will have OBP<0.300 over 100 PAs.

            On the other hand, multiple years of data for guys like DeJesus really do mean something.

        • BABIP (MichCubFan)

          It might be worth it to try out Hairson/Sappelt in center and Schierholtz in right against lefites for a little while. I wouldn’t mind giving Schierholtz another chance against lefties…which he did a little more earlier in his career. It would also help his trade value.

        • Koyie Hill Sucks

          valbuena hasn’t been that terrible against lefties, I mean when the option was lillibridge or gonzalez…

        • Cubbie Blues

          Doc, here’s a simple equation for you to use when talking to some people.
          time * give a shit = wasted

  • Njriv

    I don’t like this all right handed line-up versus lefties. You need to throw a couple lefties in there to change the pitchers off once in awhile, otherwise they get too comfortable out there.

    • DocPeterWimsey

      So, to shake it up, you give them BF’s for which the opposing pitchers can be more comfortable? Let’s face it, most of the Cubs LHB are pretty much a free BF for LHP. The LHP probably have to work a bit harder against the RHB, who are going to have much smaller blue zones to target.

  • Rebuilding

    Can we start talking a little Dale Sveum. I was all for basically giving him a pass last year, but he has been brutal at in-game decisions this year. (1) in a game where runs are going to be at a premium, how the hell do you pitch to Baker with a runner on 3rd, 2 outs and a terrible lefty (Moreland) on deck? Baker has made a few million bucks hitting lefties. That was terrible and lazy and (2) with an absolutely atrocious bullpen how do you pull your starter at 92 pitches when he wakes a guy on 2 borderline pitches. Wood had only faced one high leverage situation so no way he was gassed and (3) if you are going to lift him why don’t you double switch? That could have been a big deal because you ended up losing Russell for 1 batter in a 4-0 game at the time

    • willis

      Amen. Dude gets a pass and is a terrible manager. Doesn’t get the in game situations at all.

      • Koyie Hill Sucks

        I remember a couple of games ago when soriano was called out at first when he was actually safe I forgot what game but I was shocked Sveum didn’t challenge the call… Then I started thinking I have not seen him challenge one call, probably happened at some point last year but someone needs to light a fire under his ass… especially with such a young team…

        • hansman1982

          Really? Challenge a call, in baseball? Mmm, I wonder why the other 29 managers have never thought of that.

          Oh, you mean going out and yelling at the ump. I wonder, how often does the Ump change his mind?

          • Matty Ice

            You know exactly what he meant, pompous asshole

            • hansman1982

              Then I shall refer you to my 2nd point.

              “Then I started thinking I have not seen him challenge one call, probably happened at some point last year but someone needs to light a fire under his ass… especially with such a young team…”

              A quick Google search seems to indicate he got tossed 3 times last year. No sense in going out to piss and moan about every close call.

              • Matty Ice

                It makes sense to go out and argue when said close call could determine the outcome of a ballgame. Kind of like the one Mr. Hill Sucks referenced

                • hansman1982

                  The argument doesn’t achieve anything. The Cubs aren’t losing because their manager isn’t getting tossed out of enough games, but because they aren’t getting enough hits to fall for hits and aren’t taking enough walks.

                • hansman1982

                  Let me rephrase it:

                  The Cubs aren’t losing because their manager doesn’t discuss enough close calls with the Umps, but because their hits aren’t falling and they aren’t walking enough.

                  One of those will auto-correct over the rest of April and early-May. The other one should as well.

              • Koyie Hill Sucks

                hence me saying “probably”happened… Who is asking for him to be thrown out? not every time a coach argues with an ump he gets thrown out… Look at Washington today heading out to challenge a strike 3 call, he didn’t end up challing it after his player said something but he was there to back up his players…

            • willis

              Yeah, without the name calling, I think seeing some “give a fuck” out of this manager would be nice.

              • hansman1982

                Eh, if the Cubs BABIP was as skewed above league average as it is below league average, he’d be a calm, collected manager.

            • MichiganGoat

              What an insightful and intelligent response – smh

              • Matty Ice

                Says the guy using quotes form Anchorman.

                • Matty Ice

                  *From

                • MichiganGoat

                  Good point, so with that our conversation is over keep up the complaining and hate – you’ll go far kid.

          • Koyie Hill Sucks

            As Matty Ice put it, you know exactly what I meant. Needless to say the call would not have been overturned, but Sveum needs to show some fight

            • MichiganGoat

              So Sveum needs to show more scrappiness?

              • Koyie Hill Sucks

                he needs to back his players on shitty calls… Look at Washington today, he went out there to argue a strike 3 call, I have yet to see Sveum leave the dugout this year…

                • MichiganGoat

                  So if he goes all early Pinella then you’d be happier? Throwing tantrums is a measurement for managerial success. A scrappy idea indeed.

                  • Koyie Hill Sucks

                    when did I say “Sveum needs to go ape shit and get himself thrown out”? Not every argument with an ump ends in being thrown out of the game…

              • Behind enemy lines (south side cub fan)

                Lol THE GOAT up top :D

                • MichiganGoat

                  That’s a scrappy compliment buddy

    • Cub Style

      I think his main job at this point is to preserve long term talent and display trade pieces. He’s doing that. A lot of the guys aren’t playing well, but he’s doing it.

      • willis

        Yep…winning is secondary.

        • Cubbie Blues

          Actually, yes, it is. He is not being judged by the FO on W/L, but on core player development. Whatever you think about the way he is being judged is fine, but that is what the FO is looking at.

          • willis

            Which is ridiculous. You play to win, every goddamn day.

            • Cubbie Blues

              I understand where you are coming from and you have every right to feel that way, but sometimes you have to lose today to win tomorrow. You may have problems with that way of thinking and you may be justified. I guess we will find out when the build is done.

              • Kyle

                “But sometimes you have to lose today to win tomorrow.”

                No, you don’t. You never *have* to.

                • Cubbie Blues

                  Thank you for the correction. There is always a choice.

                • willis

                  Exactly. And I’m afraid what we’re seeing is the antithesis of that belief. That losing is ok and we just have to put 100% value that in 10 or so years, they’ll be back to .500, then we can all praise Ricketts and Co. for “rebuilding. Gross.

                  • hansman1982

                    If they aren’t putting a team together that is at least .500-ish on paper next year, I am going to be fairly upset.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      agreed.

                    • Kyle

                      Hmm. Well, I think this team is .500ish, but I’m very generous with my “ish” designations.

                      I have trouble seeing next year’s team as more than a couple of games better than this year’s. There’s nothing on the FA market, we’ll need to replace a few key-ish players, and we have no impact prospects graduating.

              • willis

                Yes we will. And God knows I hope it is as perfect as they are laying out. But it’s a long way off if this is the way this team is approaching things. Which is tough to accept.

          • Matty Ice

            Core player development like letting your 26 year-old starter work his way out of a “jam” in the 8th inning of a 1 run ballgame…. Oh wait.

            • hansman1982

              And if Wood implodes that inning and gives up 4 runs by himself, he wouldn’t have known when to pull Wood.

              • willis

                Bullshit. He had a guy cruising against a pretty good lineup. Instead he opted for a 77 MPH tossing jokester. You stick with Wood there. You have to. If trying to win is important that is.

                I really can’t believe how many of you are just fine with losing like this every night. I just don’t get it.

                • hansman1982

                  Wait, so a pitcher who had thrown 90+ pitches suddenly throws 4 straight balls (after walking only 2 other batters that night) is “cruising”?

                  Pulling Wood wasn’t the wrong decision, putting Camp in was.

                  • willis

                    Meh, I think after one walk you still give him at least one more batter. Especially under 100 pitches. If he shows problems with the next, then yes pull him. Regardless, he was a better option than Camp there. You want to bring in Russell or Marmol, I’m maybe ok with that. But I still think the hook came a couple batters too early.

                    • hansman1982

                      Ya, I see your point. I stand behind mine.

                      I looked at Wood’s Pitches per start average and he has sat mid-90’s for his whole career.

                  • willis

                    Sure, but I think you let a kid grow up at some point. JMO. From what we saw from him tonight I think he could have handled that walk. And from what we’ve seen this year, maybe he is ready? He could be a key rotation cog.

                    Regardless, bringing in Camp, with his stuff thus far and that AL lineup, not so smart. Not that “nasty” is aplenty in that pen, but someone with better stuff needs that call, if Sveum is giving that hook.

              • Matty Ice

                The defenders(defendists?) always have the ridiculous “what if” card. It’s really played out.

                • Cubbie Blues

                  Some might say that complaining about something you can’t change is also really played out.

                • hansman1982

                  I prefer the “THEO/JED/DALE/TOM DEFENDERS OF ‘MERIKA FREEDOM LOVING CLUB OF ‘MERIKA”.

                  Wood had just thrown 4 straight balls and was at 90+ pitches in the 8th. Most managers in baseball would have yanked him then and there.

              • Koyie Hill Sucks

                No, leaving wood was the right call, the bullpen has sucked and if your going to take him out don’t throw out the guy who imploded a couple of days ago. Russell was the guy to go with.

                Oh and more to the point, if this FO is all about developing young talent, why not call someone up from that crowded Iowa pitching staff for the bullpen instead of signing KevinGregg, I mean Kevin Gregg, seriously…

                • hansman1982

                  They must feel the young talent would be better served starting in Iowa than in the bullpen in Iowa.

          • willis

            So we’re all just supposed to accept losses I guess. Because God forbid this team win games they should.

            • Cubbie Blues

              I feel your pain just as every loss pain me as well. Sitting here and yelling at each other isn’t doing anybody any good though. We are not the decision makers even if we think we can do a better job.

              • willis

                I just hate the attitude taken with this organization now by so many. Ho hum losses…blah blah. It’s so blind. Why can’t we agree that winning is a good thing and that showing improvement is a good thing? Instead we are watching a team get worse and worse year after year. Is that really ok? It shouldn’t be ok. Regardless of the horse shit being blown up all of our asses by this owner and FO.

                Sveum manages to showcase players they hope to trade, not to win. That’s not a guy I want to root for as a manager.

                • Cubbie Blues

                  I agree that winning is good, but you can’t solely judge this team by w/l record. If you watch the core of the the young players progress, that is where to winning is at. Also, to say the club is getting worse year by year is overstating it a bit. Last year was a huge selloff at the deadline and this year we will be a bit better with another selloff. Next year I expect them to be .500 or better and shooting for the playoffs the years after that.

                  • willis

                    I hear ya. And we’ll see. I just hate the way things are being handled right now, and forgive me for not believing solely in the future. Winning starts every day. And I can’t say that I’ve seen the effort from this leadership I want to see as a huge Cubs fan.

                • hansman1982

                  “Why can’t we agree that winning is a good thing and that showing improvement is a good thing? ”

                  We 100% agree there. I am heartily disgusted with every loss and cheer like it’s a division clinching game with every teaser rally.

                  I also think that jumping off cliffs in the third week of the season doesn’t do anyone any good, especially with the terrible luck this team is hitting into.

  • http://Bleachernation.com Ramy16

    I am glad there’s still fight left in this team…I’d be lying if I wasn’t worried! 4-9 is horrible ..we should be way better than this with all the blown loses!!

  • another JP

    In losing these close games the overall theme is that the Cubs are making the type of mistakes young, losing teams make against experienced playoff teams- both on the field and in the dugout. Throw in all the injuries we’ve had and the slow start by so many hitters and it adds up to a perfect storm of losses. Classic Cubbie luck.

    • Koyie Hill Sucks

      The only real injury is Garza and the bullpen would blow games for him as well so that leaves Barney as the only injury that really mattered.

      Stewart sucks and Valbuena has not been that terrible this year…

      • Koyie Hill Sucks

        *garza and barney

        • Cub Style

          And Baker

  • Jason

    I always tell myself “Don’t get sucked into believing their teaser rally”, but yet I always find myself getting sucked in… right in time to see them fall short… again.

  • Rebuilding

    This may have gotten buried in another thread so I’ll ask again. How in the world does a tear down, rebuilding club let Marwin Gonzalez get away through Rule 5. A 24 yo, switch hitter that plays all 2b, SS and 3b and put up a 750 OPS between AA and AAA as a 22 yo. Gonzalez has another hit tonight for the Stros, is hitting 346 with 2HRs and 4/7 BB/K ratio. I’m going to look back and see what scrubs we kept on the 40 man to let him go. Does anyone remember?

    • Cubbie Blues

      Not buried it was answered.

      • MichiganGoat

        Yeah didn’t we do this before?

    • hansman1982

      You mean .607 OPS in 2012 Marwin Gonzalez? Or do you mean .400 BABIP in 2013 Marwin Gonzalez.

      • Rebuilding

        Hansman, are you serious? .607 OPS buried as a Rule 5 player on the bench before he was ready? Look at his 2011 numbers in AA and AAA as a 22 year old. Good plate discipline and above average defense. How about his 908 OPS in AAA last year which is where he should have been. Is that the type of player a rebuilding team should lose? Really?

        • hansman1982

          His .908 OPS last year came in 43 PA.
          His AAA year in Iowa came with a .702 OPS across 239 PA. (This was the 2nd highest OPS of a level in his career)
          His AA OPS of .780 was the highest in his career (excluding the 65 PA in Arizona in 2007) and came with a BABIP .060 points higher than his career average.

          Me writing this much about Marwin Gonzalez has wasted more space than worrying about not protecting him on the 40-man.

          • Rebuilding

            And yet he is only 24 and seems to be getting better. Sorry, but you seem more than happy wasting your time if its defending the front office for every move.

            • MikeL

              We did this last year with Tyler Colvin and Colvin didn’t even make the big league club this year. Still blaming Theo for that one?? Let us see how Gonzalez is doing 150 games in (if he makes that far) and then let us judge. You need a much large sample size than 29 plate appearances.

              • hansman1982

                STOP DEFENDING THE FO WITH EVERY BREATH!!!!

            • hansman1982

              Not really, I just choose not to view their decisions with a negative filter.

              If you want to defend Marwin Gonzalez is a good baseball player based off 1 season in the minors and a 40-ish PA sample size in the majors, go ahead. I guess you just seem more than happy wasting your time if it is crapping on the front office for every move.

              I wasn’t particularly pleased they re-signed Camp, I am very meh on Edwin Jackson. If Baez turns out to have a good season and they don’t include him in a trade this offseason, I’ll be perturbed. With that said, I have 1/10th the knowledge, info and experience. When I disagree with them, I don’t piss and moan about it, especially when the guy traded away was never much of anything.

              His stats last year were much closer to his career averages than his 2011 AA stats.

            • MikeL

              You also have to realize that his BABIP so far is .400….that is NOT sustainable. The other thing you have to realize is that his ground ball rate is insanely high. Trust me, Marwin Gonzalez will come back down to earth.

      • BABIP (MichCubFan)

        I love early season statistics…They seem so real.

        • Rebuilding

          Thanks, smartass. I really think he’s going to hit 360 all year

          • MichiganGoat

            When people disagree with you that is always the best way to respond.

            • Rebuilding

              Thanks Goat. When someone responds to me that way I’ll respond in kind

              • MichiganGoat

                I think you missed my sarcasm kid, loosen up people will disagree with you but to call them an ass just isn’t going to help.

          • MikeL

            You also need to take a closer look at the statistics because he basically is killing it in road games, but can’t hit worth a damn in Houston, that is going to throw the numbers off as well. He has put up Ruthian numbers on the road, well putting up Lillibridge numbers at home.

      • Kyle

        We could combine the two for maximum sample size.

        .288 BABIP, .645 OPS, 0.2 WAR Marwin Gonzalez.

        Not a starting caliber player, but wouldn’t look bad on our bench in place of Lillibridge/Gonzalez/Ransom.

        • hansman1982

          Ya, he would have been nice on the bench. However, his minor league career seems to indicate a very Lillibridge-esque career is in store for him (FWIW, Lillibridge had a minor league OPS almost .100 points higher than Gonzalez).

          • Rebuilding

            Maybe. We gave him away as a 22 year old. Aren’t we hoping a lot of 19-22 year olds get better. I’ve seen 5 Astros games this year and he sure looks a lot better than I was expecting.

      • Rebuilding

        He is 24. He had a 750 OPS as 22 yo in AA and AAA as a switch hitting SS. He had a 908 OPS in AAA last year which is where he he should have been. Are you guys seriously arguing that some of the riff-raff we had on the 40 man last year was worth more to a rebuilding team than this guy?

        • MichiganGoat

          What I don’t understand is why you are so passionate about a replacement level player. If he was playing on this team everyone would being asking for him to get cut. Let it go he just isn’t worth discussion.

          *** I feel like I’m talking about Campana here ***

          • Rebuilding

            Well, replace Lillibridge’s small sample size with his sample size and we might have another win (maybe 2 given the unevenness of WAR). It was dumb letting him go for $50k

            • Kyle

              Wasn’t that one of the moves that Epstein admitted was a mistake earlier this spring?

              • Kyle

                Nope, my bad.

                He admitted trading Colvin and LeMahieu and leaving Flaherty unprotected were mistakes, but didn’t mention MarGon.

                • MikeL

                  Can anyone tell me how Colvin and LeMahieu are doing this year? Yea…..

                  • Kyle

                    Take it up with Epstein. He’s the one who said it was a mistake. You aren’t contradicting Theo Epstein on a baseball issue, are you? Because that would be pretty arrogant.

                    • MikeL

                      I am just saying it is a stupid thing to bitch about.

              • hansman1982

                Ya, the overall theft of MI talent from the minors in that Rule 5 draft, yes.

    • Rebuilding

      And here comes Hansman and Goat to defend everything this FO does. The Astros now have one of the most advanced FOs in the league, including hiring Kevin Goldstein on the minor league side, and they thought Gonzalez was good enough to stash on the 25 man all year. Did we have 40 guys with more value than him? Is he the kind of player we should give away for free?

      • MichiganGoat

        I haven’t mentioned the FO tonight, I’m simply disagreeing with you and your taking it all personally have having a little fit because there is no value to your arguement. Trying to say replacing one meager hitting player with another equally meager hitter and getting angry because one of them was lost in the rule 5 draft and equating that as meaning the FO in inept is utterly ridiculous. Come on kid your better than this, right?

        • Rebuilding

          Why do you keep calling me kid? That’s about as disrespectful as ass isn’t it? Although I’m sure my kids would find it funny. And really the only thing I’m “mad” about is that anything critical said about the front office brings out the same 3 or 4 posters to launch a defense. There is no way there were 40 players on a tanking club more valuable than Marwin Gonzalez last year. The proof of that is the simple fact that the Astros stashed him on their 25 man all year. Elvis Andrus has a career 693 career OPS and just got 8/118 (yes, I know Andrus is an excellent defensive SS). Switch hitting SSs that can play all over the infield and don’t get the bat knocked out of their hand have value. You don’t give them away

          • MichiganGoat

            Alright pal so now your comparing MarGon to Andrus? That’s very very kid like logic. Find two players that a slightly similar, make them equal, then attack an organization that decided they would rather protect other players than a replacement level infielder. It happens, get over it, go hug your kids. Good night. I will never disagree with you again, I will praise you and instead your ego, you’re a superstar.

            MOAR Theo fubared the roster he did protect a player, this ineptitude is criminal. Fire them all!

            Is that better?

            Good night champ you’re the winner.

      • hansman1982

        I’m not defending them. Heck, looking at the stats of the three infielders lost last offseason, Gonzalez would have been dead last in terms of saving. The fact that the Astros wanted to stash him on their 25-man, considering the teams they have fielded the last two years, isn’t saying much.

  • Weedymcchronic

    I’m still not sure what people expect from this team. They suck and everybody knew they would. Sveum has nothing to work with. I still believe in the rebuild, starting pitching has been better than expected. It’s been 100 years, what’s a couple more?

    • Rebuilding

      Well, ok. Not sure what to say to that other than I expect this team to do the most with its resources and the manager to do the same. But maybe we should all throw our hands up and say we were supposed to suck anyway. This team is a few pitches and decisions from being 8-5. We are getting excellent starting pitching

      • Behind enemy lines (south side cub fan)

        Stop with your sense-talking rebuilding — you don’t even sound like a cubs fan!

        (That is, complacent about losing for year 105, 106…)

    • willis

      Because first off, it’s not going to be a couple more. It’s going to be many more the way this is going…

      To the Sveum thing, he’s had his hands on almost every loss this year. This team has positioned itself to win many of these losses, yet bad decisions have resulted in losses. The “he has nothing to work with” card is legit somewhat, I agree. But for some reason these guys have played well enough to win almost every game, yet certain decisions from the dugout have been very, very questionable.

  • Richp

    Patience my friends. Haven’t you heard the phrase, “patient as a Cub fan”? Of course not,I just made that up,but it fits. It’s years of patience which is the foundation of character of the Cub fan. It’s what makes us special. You youngun’s will get it after 40 or 50 years.

  • Rizzo44

    Camp???? Really Sveum?!!?!?!?! Like seriously any one of us are all better managers…. And Sappelt?? Leadoff?? Let Theo or Jed also be the manager.. Im tired of losing, this is getting pathetic..

    • MichiganGoat

      LOUD NOISES

      • Rizzo44

        You made me laugh on that one lol.

  • BD

    I understand the platoon thing- but does it have to be literally every game against a lefty? Should there be some shaking up when it’s not working?

  • Mr.Boring

    “trailers for sale or rent” Dale Sveum. “King of the Bums.”

    Shave your face and act like professional. What an arrogant jerk. This is silly.

  • http://Bleachernation.com someday…2015?

    Well I hate being negative this early on in the season but I’m already looking towards the draft and trade deadline. I think we take Appel, and end up trading Wood, Garza, Soriano, Marmol, and maybe a few others. I would hope we could get at least 2 or 3 top 100 prospects out of those few.(mainly Wood and Garza)

  • Rizzo44

    Send down Sappelt and bring up McDonald! I dont care what his avg is.. ANYONE but Sappelt

  • Sam

    Stop with the platoon thing already! It didn’t work last year and it’s not working this year.
    If these righties are going hitless as they have been, at least give the lefties the opportunity to fail!

  • CBP

    Travis wood has a great ERA. To bad only 1 win to show for it.

  • @cubsfantroy

    So when do you think Hairston will come around?

  • Dustin S

    Realistically this team is about 5 strong players away from being playoff competitive. 3B (or SS if Castro bumps to 3B), the entire OF, and a closer. Those 5 slots need big upgrades, something like 3 of the 5 in at least the 2nd tier of players at their position, and a couple of those being top tier players. It’s harsh, but Valbuena, Stewart, Schierholtz, Hairston, and even Soriano, Dejesus, and Marmol, are all just placeholders. None of those are players that are going to make this at best more than a .450 team.

    So how do the Cubs fill those gaps? The simple answer is the big prospects we are all counting on. Looking at Baez, Soler, Almora, Jackson, Lake, etc. if just 2 or 3 of them are good strong tier 1 or 2 major league starters, the front office should be able to fill the other 2 or 3 from free agency or maybe dealing other prospects. But what if none of them pan out? It’s not that far-fetched. For every Castro there are 5 Ty Griffens and Hayden Simpsons. 2 or 3 years ago people thought the Cubs were rebuilding and posted that they couldn’t wait until 2013 when Jackson, Vitters, Sczcur, and McNutt would be in Chicago and they would be tearing things up.

    Banking on our big prospects also assumes Rizzo doesn’t continue to hit under .200, Castillo keeps developing, and there are no more starting pitching injuries. The nightmare scenario is none of the big prospects make it, because then I don’t think they’d be able to pull in enough free agents alone to turn it around even with big TV deal money.

    I know this post sounded negative, but overall I am optimistic. Odds are probably at least enough of the big name prospects will pan out that they’ll be able to fill-in the rest from free agency or trades. I just hope the roster isn’t still 2/3 waiver pile pickups in 2015.

  • DPRagen

    Sveum is a baseball genius compared to Epstein!

  • fromthemitten

    Hairston and Sappelt need a game against a righty just to get more work in

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