jorge soler cubsIt’s entirely possible that this kind of thing has been going on for the last couple years involving dozens of players and we simply didn’t hear much about it. Now that the spotlight is shining on big-time prospect Jorge Soler, fresh off a bat-wielding-induced suspension, we’re going to hear about it.

Which is all a preamble to say that Jorge Soler was benched yesterday by his manager at Daytona because the 21-year-old outfielder didn’t show enough effort in the previous game. You can read about it in the Daytona Beach News-Journal.

“(Soler) sat (Sunday) because within the philosophy and the work ethic that we are trying to create in this organization – and that we are trying to get our players to understand – work ethic, energy, determination, playing hard and running hard is part of the whole program,” Daytona manager Dave Keller told the Daytona Beach News-Journal. “When you don’t do that, then you don’t get to play. That’s something that has really been emphasized over the last two years …. As a coaching staff we’re required to stay on top of it. And we’re doing it because work habits create the player, period. When you work, you get better.”

Keller is clearly talking about an aspect of The Cubs Way, a formal philosophical shift in the Cubs’ organization from top to bottom, where players are taught a number of very specific things about playing the game of baseball.

While I don’t necessarily want to single Soler out – all indications are that he’s a nice young man, and a great baseball talent – I think this is an incredibly positive sign. He won’t forget this, and neither will his teammates. It’s so important to drill certain things into players while they are still developing, and it’s great to see tangible evidence that the Cubs are doing this.

  • Idaho Razorback

    Good for Dave Keller.

  • Cyranojoe


  • chrisfchi

    good. i remember a few years back when soriano spent too much time staring at flyouts because he thought they were outta the park. nice to see some accountability.

    • Jay

      No doubt. I don’t mind a guy posing when he hits a Herman Munster homer (ala Stanton) but Sori thought every ball he hit halfway decent was going out and when it hit off the wall and he barely made it to 1B I couldn’t believe Pinella didn’t beat him with a lead pipe right then and there.

      • chrisfchi

        ha! i agree, i would have donated the pipe.

  • CubsFan66

    Might we see this at the MLB Level in the org? You sure should!!

  • Jp3

    I have to say good for David Keller although if it was bench worthy, it’s probably not the 1st offense on this no no. Honestly I don’t care if he hustles as long as he hits 35 homers a year and drives in 120 much Aramis’ style… I think hustles overrated after seeing our team this year, I’d gladly take Aramis old production for a little less scrappiness or Belly fire

    • demz

      being a productive player and hustling are not mutually exclusive…

  • tom

    TRADE Soler & Vitters to Marlins for Stanton


    • Dynastyin2016

      Yes..but….why would the Marlins do that? Soler may be what Stanton already is. Emphasis on MAY. Soler costs more than Stanton. Again, why would the Marlins do that?

      • DarthHater

        Well, they’ve done so many other stupid things, that they might do anything… 😉

        • Not Kyle

          I was going to say the same thing. Maybe we could confuse them with flowery language and bizarre trade proposals.

          “We’ll cover your concession stand budget untl 2020, cover your field maintenance until 2015, and buy a block of expensive tickets for the charity of your choice every day . . . all for Giancarlo Stanton.”

          • CubFan Paul

            …They did take Zambrano

        • Dynastyin2016

          Yeah, I should have thought that out.

      • Kyle

        There’s very little chance Soler could ever become what Stanton is.

        • Behind enemy lines (south side cub fan)

          Stop being so negative Kyle every player theo and jed pick is going to become an amalgam of mantle pujols and Koufax at their peaks 😉

          • Can’t think of a cool name

            I don’t think Kyle is being negative, very few players have a chance to be what Stanton is. Consider that Stanton hit almost 100 HRs from the age of 20-22. We’d all be happy if Soler arrives and averages 30 HR per year and that in itself is a tall order.

    • chrisfchi

      my question is what does stanton offer as a defensive upgrade? i understand having a problem with not driving in risp, but the defense has not been great this year. is it worth sending off prospects for a home run hitter who may or may not be a good defensive player?

      • DocPeterWimsey

        Yes. Nobody fields poorly enough to cancel out what Stanton does with a bat. I think that you would have to flagrantly throw the game to field that poorly.

        • Can’t think of a cool name

          Heed what the good Doc says.

      • hansman1982

        He’s an average fielder.

        • John

          5 errors and .889 fielding percentage average in the OF? I wouldn’t call him an average defender.

          • hansman1982


            If you are going to cite Fielding percentage at least get a decent sample size of more than just this year. His career FP is .974.

            UZR/150 (probably the “best” fielding stat out there) has him as the 4th best RF last year.

        • chrisfchi

          ok, i can see the upgrade in a power bat in the outfield. If there was a trade to work out i see it as a multi team effort, mainly because i dont think miami would want a bunch of minor league prospects for him. it would have to be someone MLB ready and besides Rizzo and Castro, what do we offer? if we could fool them into taking soriano….

          • Can’t think of a cool name

            I would consider Castro plus for him and I’m one of Castro’s biggest fans.

  • Indy57

    For $30 million, the effort needs to be all out everyday, every play.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I think the lesson here is that’s true whether you’re making $30 million or $30,000.

      • caryatid62

        I hate hate HATE the “you’re making_____, therefore you should try harder” argument. Absolutely drives me nuts. People work hard because they believe in what they’re doing, and if they don’t work hard, monetary arguments aren’t going to make them work hard. It’s about more than that.

        • Blublud

          I agree 100%

        • andoalex

          Completely agree. There are actually a ton of psychology studies that show once someone has extrinsic motivation (ie. money) to perform a job or task that it decreases their intrinsic (engaging in the activity for its own sake) motivation to do so. Often times, if anything, money actually makes them work less hard unless they simply have a ton of belly fire.

      • RoughRiider

        Or playing Softball as an alternate.

      • goose

        Tell Arguello he needs to stop plagiarising from you, or you from him. a person wants to see different stories when they go to different sites, not the exact same one’s in slightly different phrasing. Thanks. I’m sure things are really gonna change.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          I have no idea what you’re referring to, but when it comes to covering Cubs news, there is necessarily going to be overlap among sources since, you know, we’re all covering the same news.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Ah – reviewing some of your past comments (all under different names), I see what you’re about: every single comment is a bs accusation. I take back my thoughtful and earnest response. Thanks for stopping by.

          • Cubbie Blues

            How do I go about getting these powers of reviewing past comments. I find that very intriguing. Especially across screen names. 😛

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

              Want to be a moderator? I could probably finally use a couple of ’em …

              It pays nothing but my love and affection, but it also requires nothing but dinging spam comments when you see them (and dinging obvious site violation comments). No extra time required!

              • TWC

                “… but it also requires nothing but dinging spam comments when you see them.”

                Would that mean one would have to stop mocking the spam comments, too?

                • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                  Sadly, yes – because whenever there’s a response to a spam comment, I can no longer just delete the spam comment, or it breaks the site. I have to edit it to say “I spammed” or some such thing.

              • hansman1982

                Really, you mean that I could mark Kyle’s comments as Spam so they are finally categorized properly?????

                WHERE IN THE SAM HELL DO I SIGN UP!?!?!?!?

                • Kyle

                  Bend over and I’ll show you.

                  • hansman1982

                    I am not going to comment on this so Brett can properly mark it as Spam.

                    • BluBlud

                      Hansman always starting stuff.

              • BluBlud

                I would love to be a moderator, just to see howmany people post under other names. Are you tracking these by IP address or Email.

              • Cubbie Blues

                However I can help you out Ace.

              • Spencer

                I offered before!

  • The Dude Abides

    Second time inside of a month we are reminded “all indications are that he’s a nice young man” about Soler. Sure hope so, the season is less than a month old and he’s been in country about a year. Hopefully he stops the Delmon Young impersonations and gets back to “all indications are that he’s a nice young man” sooner rather than later.

    • DarthHater

      Perhaps he’s a just a nice, bad-tempered, lazy young man. 😛

      • CubFan Paul

        Yea, “all indications are that he’s a nice young man” except for the bat wielding.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          Yes. They are – from people who actually know him.

          • Kyle

            Filtered through mediums in which they have little incentive to give a true, in-depth character analysis.

            • hansman1982

              So would this be “Addendum, Part II, pages 1,439 – 2,976, Jorge Soler Scouting Book”

          • Bric

            So I guess ESPN, Fox Sports, Bleacher Report, AOL, and all the other national websites just like picking on the Cubs minors league prospects because it was the top story on all their sites.

            Make no mistake about it- this dugout thing was a big, big deal that won’t soon be forgotten by all of the players and management in the FSL and around the league. There’s no good way to spin it. Think about it this way- if you read that some high school kid in Oklahoma picked up a weapon, walked across the infield and proceeded to menace the opposing players before bashing it against the dugout wall it would still make these sports site. And what would your opinion of this kid be? Excitable boy they all said…Not good.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Players, even elite ones, get benched for performance and disciplinary reasons on every team in every organization every year. Ask the fans in Tennessee, and I think they’ll tell you that Junior Lake was benched a couple of times last season for similar reasons. And he was not the only one.

              Someone wrote a story about Soler’s, though, and the rest of the media picked up on it. That’s really the only difference that sets this case apart from the rest. Prospect status, contract size… all that stuff really does not matter in the minors nearly as much as people like to think it does. The players who work hard and produce will find playing time, and those who don’t won’t. The leash may be a little longer for high dollar signings, but not all that much longer.

              This is really nothing but business as usual.

              • Bric

                Agreed. I have no opinion on his work habits or attitude, or any of that. I’m just saying the bat incident was a really big deal that possibly his name and status help to down play. All websites want people to read their stories and if it involves a big name on a big name team, so much the better. But again, this would’ve been a story regardless of who or what team it was. I’m still surprised charges weren’t filed against him. Brett, as a former lawyer, isn’t menacing someone with a potentially deadly weapon a criminal act that can be charged?

                • Bric

                  BTW- I live in Florida and can assure it is.

                  Menacing (in some states known as brandishing) is a violent crime in most state jurisdictions of the United States. Although the wording and degrees of offense vary slightly from state to state, the criminal act of menacing generally consists of displaying a weapon to a person with the intention of threatening them with bodily harm from said weapon.

                  • Bricklayer

                    Perhaps this could have fallen under Florida’s stand your ground law. I mean, if we’re just going to start pulling statutes out of our asses, why not that one.

                  • aaronb

                    Sounds like a clear case of self defense. There were 30+ potential combatants in the opposing dugout.

                • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                  “Brett, as a former lawyer, isn’t menacing someone with a potentially deadly weapon a criminal act that can be charged?”

                  Sure. But it sounds like he didn’t do that.

                  • Bric

                    Maybe, but keep in mind this is the same place that Charged a former Cub prospect with killing an osprey (for you youngsters out there, just Google it- Steve Stone). That didn’t work out too well. But I guess we just agree to disagree.

                    • BT

                      The key difference is that Ryu did, in fact, kill an osprey.

                  • BT

                    Just because he didn’t do it doesn’t mean we can’t continue to act as if he did Brett. It’s called “telling it like it is”. Even though, technically, it isn’t.

                    • Bric

                      BT, did you read the definition of “Menacing?” The only reason I keep bringing it up is because of a friend of mine is the community service officer where I work. He’s also the CSO at the high school down the street and knows I’m a huge Cub fan so he brought it up a couple of days after it happened. He said if it had happened during the high school games he works he would’ve cuffed the kid on the spot in the interest of public safety. His words, not mine. And he was talking about high school kids.

                    • BT

                      With all due respect to your friend, he wasn’t there. The league, after talking to people who were there, decided a 5 game penalty was sufficient. If they thought Soler’s outburst was enough to warrant an arrest, my guess is that the punishment would have been a lot worse.

            • Can’t think of a cool name

              And if he comes up and hits .300 with an OPS of .850 with 30 dingers we’ll all forgive him.

              • Jp3

                Yeah I said the same thing, hustle is overrated when its compared to production… Aramis was a terrible hustler and belly fire player but he could flat out hit.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Surely you recognize that this event has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on his character, right?

      • aaronb


        When has anger ever been a real issue with a Cubs outfielder?

  • Cubbie Blues

    I have to wonder how much it is about Soler and how much about the team. If the team as a whole where loafing, Soler would be the perfect player to make a statement out of. Kind of like, “Hey guys don’t think I won’t sit you. If I can bench Soler I can bench anyone.” Or, he could have been prancing around and deserved the benching. Just a thought.

  • DarthHater
    • Jp3

      Ha awesome!!! I love we get one upped by the Dodgers even on,
      “Well our prospect ran to the opposing team’s dugout with a bat”. And then Puig does that to one up our uber prospect from the Caribbean

    • Can’t think of a cool name

      That’s it the Dodgers should get rid of Puig. Send him to the Cubs, we’ll give you our largest bloated contracts.

      • Jp3

        Sounds very Die Hard of you, I like it

        • Can’t think of a cool name

          Damn, that hurt. I thought we were friends.

          • Jp3

            I said I like it!😊

        • Cyranojoe


  • Jon

    So stupid. Sounds like just the old regime. Meatball tatics.

  • Spriggs

    This is positive and I love it!

  • Holden

    Everyone should go back and watch Ryno’s Hall Induction Speech. If anyone could teach the Cubs Way, it would be Ryno. Its about respecting the game and your teammates enough to make the changes. I think the Cubs see that and may be letting him cut his teeth somewhere else so he doesn’t have the pressure of being a first time manager before he takes the reins here. I know completely unrelated but there is a tenuous tie that you will see if you rewatch that speech.

  • Jon

    To all you people that support this move, why go public to the media about this? All it does is fuel idiots in the media like David Kaplan that hate latin players. Implement your discipline, but don’t throw the player under the bus publicly.

    • Cubbie Blues

      “fuel idiots in the media like David Kaplan that hate latin players”
      Can’t tell if serious.

    • Blublud

      I agree 100%.

  • Kyle

    “Hate” is probably too strong. More like “lazily fall into easy stereotypes when talking about Latin players.”

  • Die hard

    Wasn’t Castro benched once too two years ago?

    • Adarecub

      Deservedly so for turning his back on the play by mike Quade!

      • Can’t think of a cool name

        Thanks to the butt hole Booby Valentine. Karma is a mother. Okay, I know its a little over the top.

  • Jeremy

    Love the enforcement of play hard or you dont play but I wish this wasnt put in the media. Id rather it be an internal thing. I hate when you have the uneducated baseball fans just knocking a 21 year old kids make because of overblown media reports.

  • jt

    A young player can never have too much fire in the belly. Nor is it ever too early to instill the will to win!

    • DarthHater

      A young player can, however, have too much belly in the fire.

      • Can’t think of a cool name

        I almost spit out my drink.

      • Jp3

        Ha!!! That’s funny, anyway we can get a gif of Soler sprinting to the other teams dugout with a bat? That would be like one of those motivational posters, it only needs one hyphenated word? BELLY-FIRE!

  • william

    I still say soler,vogahlbach package to rays for price and player to be named then try to do a deal with royals for garza,and dejesus or barney for a package around moustakous and soriano to biston for lavarnway and young pitcher then they could move cadtro or baez to second base and put lake in the outfield and got that over the top pitcher and a lefty at that

  • Aaron

    I’m a bit concerned about Jorge Soler. Two character-type issues within 30 days of this young season. Money can change people, especially $30 million. The Cubs cannot afford for Soler not be be a major star for the team for the next several years.

  • mudge

    Good thing it wasn’t $32 million.

  • Mick

    Kane County Cougars, “See the Future”. Is that a reverse angle pic of Matt Iannazzo? Seriously, this seems idiotic considering their roster. Brett, can’t you do something about this? Help them out a bit?

  • damon berryhill

    Don’t make all Williams look dumb

  • Chad

    I really love that they did this. Agree with Aaron about the concerns. Two ways this turns out. He doesn’t learn his lesson and they trade him or he does and becomes much better for it.

  • fromthemitten

    well at least Soler didn’t get arrested…

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