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gray appelThe 2013 MLB Draft is less than two weeks away. Crunch time.

  • Baseball America’s Jim Callis is confident that the Astros are planning on selecting Jonathan Gray with the top pick. From there, he is confident that the Cubs will take Mark Appel. Indeed, the latest BA mock draft has the top two picks playing out exactly that way. The Cubs met with Jonathan Gray earlier this week, and I’d say it’s a fair bet that they have met/will meet with Appel and San Diego Kris Bryant, as well. No reason not to have plenty of ducks in a row come Draft day.
  • In that mock, Sean Manaea – a vogue choice for the Cubs’ pick back in January – has fallen all the way to the end of the first round, thanks to performance and hip concerns. It’s now becoming a legitimate possibility that Manaea could be on the board when the Cubs pick in the second round. But, here’s the problem: as a junior, Manaea could go back to school if he’s not offered a substantial signing bonus. So, even if he’s there for the Cubs, they’d be hard pressed to pick him there and risk not signing their second round pick.
  • Of those top two arms, three of four anonymous executives on the scouting side told Jim Callis they would prefer Appel to Gray, mostly due to his superior set of overall pitching skills. One of the four said he’d prefer Bryant to the pitchers.
  • Connor Glassey at BA looks at the oldest and youngest draft prospects (among the top 250 overall prospects), and it is interesting to see that Mark Appel, a college senior, is not in the top 10 oldest. He’d actually fall all the way down at 15th, which is low for a college senior among the top 250 overall prospects. That’s because, for a college senior, Appel is on the younger side (he doesn’t turn 22 until mid-July). Interestingly, Colin Moran – the UNC third baseman who’s been rumored to be a potential surprise pick at the top of the Draft for the Astros – is the third youngest collegiate player in the Draft.
  • Glassey’s piece is most notable, however, for the list of 17-year-old high school players who feature on the top 250 list. There is some data to support the idea that, all other things equal, younger high school draft picks tend to fare better over the long haul than older ones. So, familiarize yourself with that list, and cross your fingers that the Cubs get a couple of ‘em. Last year, Duane Underwood – the Cubs’ second round pick – was one of the youngest high schoolers in the Draft. Carlos Correa, whom the Astros took first overall was also one of the youngest. It’s a subtle distinction between 17.5 years old and 18, but history indicates that it matters.
  • MLB has revealed the procedural deets on the Draft, and it’s a fair bit different from last year. This year, the first two rounds will be on Thursday, June 6 (starting at 6pm CT). Rounds 3 through 10 are on Friday, starting at 12pm CT, and rounds 11 through 40 are on Saturday, starting at 12pm CT. Day One will be televised on MLBN, and Day Two will be broadcast on MLB.com. I’m not sure about Day Three – last year, they simply provided audio of the conference call. Either way, you’ll find everything covered here at BN.
  • Austin

    Anyone hear about David Gardner a Michigan State pitcher? He was drafted out of HS in the 33rd round and this is his first year since then. Anyone know what people are saying about him? What round? Anything like that. Thanks. I know he throws hard and has taken some All Big honors already just wondering what people think of his pro potential and all that.

  • Danny Ballgame

    Brett,

    Who are you taking with #2? Apple/Grey or Bryant?

    Love the site man. Best Cubs info out there!!!

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Thanks, Danny.

      It’s been Appel for me since the start of this amateur season, and nothing has given me a reason to deviate. He’s got upside AND polish, and he could be a dominant arm at a time when the Cubs could use a few of them.

      • Danny Ballgame

        Would he be up at the start of next year or at all next year? That whole “polish” thing seems to imply that he is almost mlb ready

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

          He is. He could be in an MLB rotation in September. Upside is probably only that of a No 2, but he has the highest floor of any pitcher in the draft.

          • jay

            Yes, and most importantly–can be looked at to contribute within two years, not five years down the road.

          • Danny Ballgame

            As in this September? What about Grey?

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Similar time table to Gerrit Cole, I think. Two-ish years.

              • Danny Ballgame

                Thanks Luke

          • http://Noclue SenorGato

            Mad world when “only” can be put in front of #2 starter.

          • Edwin

            I’d still think he has a higher upside than a #2. He has one of the best fastballs in the draft, and one of the best secondary pitches.

            • Kyle

              Keep in mind that in scouting parlance, a “no. 2″ will be the best starting pitcher on most teams. There’s only a half a dozen “No. 1″s at any given time.

              • Edwin

                When you put it that way, yes. Although I still don’t see why Appel’s ceiling is supposedly so much lower than Gray’s.

        • http://Noclue SenorGato

          Personally both Appel and Gray would be in the minors until summer or even September next year. I prefer a conservative route with pitchers and neither guy is slam dunk ready for the majors IMO. Both have areas where they can gain. Gray can tighten up his mechanics a lot and continue improving his conditioning while Appel can definitely get stronger. No need to rush these guys because of draft status.

          • Kyle

            This.

            Pitchers have a much flatter development curve than hitters in terms of ability. Sure, Appel or Gray could probably pitch reasonably well in the majors immediately. So could a lot of guys.

            But their arms aren’t ready for 24 weeks pitching every fifth day, and there’s no reason to push them into it in their first professional season.

      • JulioZuleta

        I’ll tentatively say Appel is my #1 too. The only thing holding me back is the possibility that he’s already so polished that there may be a limited amount of growth left. There’s no question to me that Gray has a higher ceiling. I’m just not sure if Appel could ever be a true ace.

        • Edwin

          Again, Appel’s got a mid 90′s fastball and some of the best secondary stuff in the draft. I can see why Grey might have the higher ceiling because of his “80″ fastball, but why can’t Appel be a true ace?

  • http://Noclue SenorGato

    Appel or bust.

    The FO will be there tonight for Appel v UCLA, I think. I read that somewhere, probably PSD.

    Appel’s age was a largely ignored factor earlier on, even when Garrioch posted ages a whole back. He is right in line with the juniors he was competing against.

    I’m watching Gray’s start from yesterday right now. Baylor sucks and I still can’t get on the wagon. For discussion’s sake ABTY at PSD said that a contact heard Epstein say “I think we found our Verlander.” How not this FO does that sound? In public, audibly, during a major scouting event when they don’t even the #1 pick to lock it up? Sounds shaky to me.

    • gocatsgo2003

      Much of draft strategy is positioning/posturing, even at the second pick. It could be driven by that element, but you’re right… It doesn’t sound very “Theo.”

  • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

    I think the major assumption with the Cubs fans is that with Gray or Appel being so polished (and good), they could both start next season at the major league level (like Kevin Gausman of the Orioles, for example). If you combine that with Arodys Vizcaino at full strength and a rotation spot, that almost certainly makes extending Matt Garza this year a pipe dream, especially when you have a statistically horrendous Edwin Jackson for another three years (yeah, he may not have a NTC, but try trading him now-you’d get a better return for Soriano in comparison).

    That being said, you cannot overlook the raw hitting capability and superior power from Kris Bryant’s bat. True, he may end up being projected as an Aramis Ramirez type of player because of his weak glove at 3B and strong bat, but I know plenty of Cubs fans who’ve lamented when we let ARAM walk last year (now it’s the Brewers fans who’re lamenting, ha!).

    I think it’s really a toss-up between Bryant and Gray. If Appel is available at #2, of course, the consensus is to pick him. Hard to imagine that scenario, though, with the front office yapping in Sveum’s ear to promote Josh Vitters as the Cubs’ future third basemen. Just talk to increase trade value or true statement? Who knows, he is still very young.

    • http://Noclue SenorGato

      Personally I don’t think either guy would or should be moved that quickly.

      • BluBlud

        I disagree. I think Appel will sign for less if you offer him a contract with a guranteed September Call-up. You could save at least close to the league minimun over the course of a year. Give him a small bonus with a regular, very low minor league salary, with him knowing on september 1st, his salary will just to $450,000 from then on out. This may convince him to take less. Add this to his arb clock will start earlier, meaning it will sooner for him when he starts making millions, and signing Appel should be easy. This is also the only advantage I give him over the other 2.

        • http://Noclue SenorGato

          Getting him cheap in order to rush him has no appeal to me.

    • Saving Grace

      His hit tool doesn’t project as well as he moves up the ladder a lot of scouts are saying,power tool is legit,and now I’m seeing a lot about him projecting as a 1b
      I see what Houston sees in Moran
      He could be a Boggs like 3b with more power
      His power is projects well
      Very advanced hit tool

  • Edwin

    I know that Gray has an elite fastball, but are there any pitchers in the draft that offer an elite control/command skill?

    • North Side Irish

      BA did a quick overview of best tools in the draft yesterday for college and high school players…Best Command was one of the categories…

      http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/best-tools-2013-draft/

      • Edwin

        Thanks. I hope the Cubs land one of those 6.

      • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

        I think Marco Gonzales is going to be a steal around the 15th pick… That BA analysis says he’s got the best College command and second best College secondary pitch.

    • hansman1982

      Yes, give me 80 control over 80 FB any day of the week.

      • Kyle

        It’s kind of a meaningless discussion, but I would much, much much rather have 80 FB in a prospect.

        • Edwin

          Agreed, in that it’s probably easier to develope better control than develope a better fastball. Fastball velocity, at least at the MLB level, can make a huge difference.

          But as long as a pitcher has a projectable enough fastball, at some point I’d favor control over fastball.

          • hansman1982

            Ya, if it were “pick the one area you want a pitcher to have an 80 in and the rest is 50, what area would you want (and you can’t have non-injury-ness)”

            • Kyle

              Fastball AINEC.

              • Chad

                FB. It is tough to develop that tool. Others can be worked on/developed a little easier I think.

        • hansman1982

          It may come down to a Nolan Ryan vs. Greg Maddux type debate

          • Kyle

            Or it could come down to a virtually every other great pitcher in history besides Greg Maddux vs. virtually every elite command guy besides Maddux debate :)

          • SirCub

            Pfft, that’s an easy one. Tidrow.

        • http://www.survivingthalia.com Mike Taylor (no relation)

          We’ve all seen what can happen on this team when you have an “80″ slider and 0 control…

          Fans booing!
          ::Baddump bump::
          (I’ll be here for the rest of the week)

      • Smitty

        Have to agree with hansman here. You don’t have to have elite FB to be an elite pitcher. See Maddux, Greg.

        Also, you can have elite FB with no control and that gets you into the bigs as a reliever, but not necessarily gets you a starter. See Farnsworth, Kyle.

        If you can have a nice mixture of both, then of course you want that person. See Feller, Bob.

        • Kyle

          Maddux had a different kind of elite fastball. It had plus velocity and elite late movement.

          • hansman1982

            Very true, I remember Pat saying that Maddux couldn’t throw a straight FB to save his life.

            • Eternal Pessimist

              And he had such great command that the ump would give him 2-3 inches off the plate consistently.

          • DaveY

            Greg Maddux didn’t have elite velocity. He topped out at 92. He also didn’t have elite movement. His movement was more subtle and late but nothing dramatic. Carlos Zambrano had elite movement. Hitters couldn’t sqare him up and would hit lots of foul balls driving up Zambrano’s pitch count. Maddux had lesser movement but it was late and instead of hitters fouling it off they would hit medium to weak ground balls for routine outs. That’s why Maddux had so many low pitch innings and games would be over in two and half hours or less.

        • Edwin

          You can have elite control, but if your fastball tops out at 85-88, you’d better have some crazy movement on it, and have some crazy good secondary pitches.

          The fastball is probably the most important pitch a pitcher can throw, so having an elite fastball can carry you a lot further up the system than just having elite control.

          I’m less interested in developing elite pitching as I am in finding value in the draft, and I’m curious if at times having a good fastball might overrate a prospect, compared to a prospect with a less projectible fastball, but better control.

  • BluBlud

    I’m just not that high on Appel. I pretty sure he’ll be a pro for a long time, and a good one. But I don’t think he’ll be a great one. I think Gray has much bust potential, but i also think he has much more star potential. IMO, Gray could be David Price while Appel could be Shark. 2 great pitchers, but “Healthy” Price is much better then Shark.

    • http://Noclue SenorGato

      Price’s resume’ coming out of Vanderbilt was more Appel than Gray. Price was a no doubter and extremely decorated coming out of Vanderbilt. I don’t think Gray has that going for him.

      Also a Samardzija that logs SP innings from day one is pretty drool worthy.

      My comp for Appel is a RH Andy Pettite.

      • Edwin

        If anything, I’d say Samardzija is a good comp for Gray. Elite fastball, with the chance to turn into a stud pitcher if secondary pitches develope.

        But I think BluBlud was thinking less of actual player comps, and more MLB performance comps.

      • BluBlud

        I was talking more status, then pitching type.

    • Edwin

      Fair enough, although I feel you’re underestimating Appel’s ceiling. I see the argument for Gray having a higher ceiling due to fastball, but Appel’s fastball is still very good as well, and Appel comes with more developed secondary pitches. If things break right for Appel, he could easily be a stud pitcher.

  • RoughRiider

    This will probably not be taken well, but if the Cubs draft either Appel or Gray , I would like to see them shut him down until the AZ Fall league. Appel already has pitched close to a 100 innings and will probably pitch in at least 4 more games and could get into 7 or 8 more games. Gray has thrown 110 innings and I would guess have the same situation of a possible 7-8 games more in the regionals and CWS. I’d hate to see another Lance Dickson.

    • http://Noclue SenorGato

      Agreed 100%

      Not sure I expect either one to throw a pitch professionally for the Cubs this season. Hell, Appel might not even be signed yet as he has an extra long window. Verlander path for either one…drafted in ’04…callup for a couple starts in ’05…starter for a WS team in ’06.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      I expect either one would see limited action in the Arizona Rookie League, and that’d be it. Even the Fall League would be iffy.

      While they could start higher, there is almost no point in rushing a college pitcher directly into a full season league. If either pitch at all above the Rookie League, they’ll likely be on a very strict pitch count.

  • http://Noclue SenorGato

    As far as ceiling is concerned – how much better can Gray’s ceiling realistically be? Sure there’s the even more outside shot he’s Schilling or Clemens as he continues to develop. That I can understand. OTOH if they both project as “#1″ type guys, and they both have that kind of ceiling, then is Gray’s ceiling more #1ier? It’s just something that…I mean it’s less interesting than reading “higher ceiling” looks on paper/a screen.

    • http://Noclue SenorGato

      *Its less interesting when “higher ceiling” is no longer isolated on the screen and put into he context of the two players.

  • Craig

    The Cubs FO has shown the last two years that they can piece together a solid rotation. Our starters have been great other than Jackson this year. We need a solid offensive player. They should pick Bryant and he can be our clean up hitter in years to come. Plus we don’t have to worry about Gray or Apple blowing out their arms.

    • SenorGato

      Piecing together a solid rotation year by year is not very appealing for building a long term championship caliber franchise. It.is.not something to count on.

      Right now.they have 3 arms in the rotation under control for 2015. They need pitching bad.

  • Old School

    Brett,
    Great site again. Last year the Cub’s didn’t bite at the Appel at number 6. Any facts/thoughts on the matter? Imagine it was a combination of his ability to return for another year and their strong impression on AA. I just wonder if any of the other reasoning for passing may still exist for Jed and Theo which would create Bryant or Gray, if available to be the number two pick.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Based on their interest this year, I suspect you nailed it with the signability (especially at six) concern and the Almora love.

      • Kyle

        In retrospect, we could have probably signed Appel by giving up Almora, Blackburn and Underwood.

        Would I give up that trio to have Appel in hand and be able to pick the leftover between Gray and Bryant? I’d think long and hard about it.

        • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

          It’s tricky, though, because remember (to anyone reading, that is): if you don’t sign a guy in those first ten rounds, you lose that money. So the Cubs would have had to make sure they took uber-cheaply-signable guys instead of Blackburn and Underwood. One guy plays his leverage card a little too firmly, and you can’t sign Appel.

          • Kyle

            I’m pretty sure you can work around that by finding some mr. irrelevant college senior and tell him you’re giving him $10k and a chance to use a big league spring training as a fantasy camp.

            • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

              Even before the draft the Cubs were said (consistently) to be so high on Almora they’d have taken him No 1 over all. Now whether they’d really have taken Almora over Buxton is debatable, but I suspect they were sold on him over a college pitcher.

              • ssckelley

                Wow, Almora over Buxton? You really think so as I have been impressed with Buxton so far.

                • Rebuilding

                  Buxton is a flat out stud. A true 5 tool talent with amazing pitch recognition skills. Hitting 320 with 31 walks, 21 steals and 11 doubles sofar. As he matures and adds more power he’ll be scary. Between him and Sano the Twins will be fun to watch in a few years

                  • nkniacc13

                    I think they thought Buxton would be good but with Almora having as much USA experience the cubs brass felt that they knew for sure he would be a player and not have any ? marks not that Buxton did either

  • Big Joe

    I want Gray. I won’t cry over Appel though.

  • Joker

    Here’s a random observation:

    The side by side photos Ace runs for Appel and Gray remind me of Prior (Appel) and Clemens (Gray). Anyone else get that vibe?

    • T Wags

      You’re exactly right. Please pick Gray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • another JP

    If we draft Appel, resign Garza, and get another good arm for Feldman/Dejesus/etc. we’d have an awesome looking rotation in 2014… Shark, Appel, Garza, Wood, EJax with Vizcaino as relief/swingman. Really need offense though and taking Bryant is tempting.

  • Jason

    The mock is interesting. If you feel risky do you maybe take Bryant at #2 who should cost less than Appel and hope that Sean Manaea falls to you in the 2nd round where you could use those savings with the 1st pick to get him?

    Bryant just screams of a Theo guy (leads DI in BBs and has more BBs than K’s) and his crazy power makes him really tempting for me since 3B is a black hole.

    My master plan is this:
    - take Bryant early then go pitching for depth.
    - resign Garza
    - trade for Price – (package starts with Baez, Vogelbach, Jackson)

    Your starting staff would then be:
    Price
    Shark
    Garza
    Jackson
    Wood

    Middle of the order would then eventually be: Castro, Rizzo, Bryant, Soler

    You could then sign Price long term as the meat of your order is all locked up for a long time and have a really solid core to get organizational depth guys to somehow fix the bullpen.

    • another JP

      Given his injuries this year and loss of velocity, I’d only want Price if we didn’t give too much for him… your package is the absolute most I’d consider. Add Almora and that would be a kick ass OF if Bryant ends up in LF. I think Candelario can develop some power and give us the 3B we’re looking for.

      • Chad

        Will Candelario’s glove play at 3B? I heard he was destined for 1B

        • Kyle

          1b or LF seems most likely. 3b isn’t completely ruled out yet, but he’s expected to grow out of it more likely than not.

    • Kyle

      By the time your middle-of-the-order is ready, that pitching staff will be a bit long in the tooth and probably some of them will be hurt.

  • another JP

    Rizzo better watch out- Stewie playing 1B tonight for Iowa. Bet that really has Anthony worried.

  • DaveY

    Kerry Wood was 17 when the Cubs drafted him in 95. I think he turned 18 a week or two after the draft. Vitters was 17 too.

  • Nick

    I know David Price has been rumored to the cubs lately and I know you cant trade draft picks but what are the rules about trading the drafted player. Lets say we draft Appel, can we flip him and Javier Baez for Price? Would that be enough for Price or would that be a little to much for Price being Appel is not that far away from the majors?

    • MDel

      I don’t know the specific dates, but I don’t believe you can trade a newly signed player for 1 year after he signs.

      • cms0101

        Newly drafted and signed players must wait until after the next draft before they can be traded. That’s why you’ll occassionally see the PTBL attached to trades. As for Price, at this point, if I’m the Cubs, I stay away. His velocity is down, he’s been ineffective this season, and now he’s hurt; It’s one thing to spend cash on him as a free agent, but giving up prospects for him right now seems too risky.

        • Eternal pessemist

          Spending cash on him seems risky too. Would need a good injured player discount. That goes for garza too, except for the qualifying 1 year contract which looks like a no brainer now.

  • Cheryl

    There is one positive element this season. The cubs will probably get first pick in next year’s draft the way they are going.

    • DarthHater

      Check the standings. Houston and Miami are way worse than the Cubs.

      • Eternal pessemist

        I’d be content losing a lot of one run games (due to bad luck), getting the third pick, trading for building pieces, and seeing real growth at all levels. After 100 years i think that isn’t asking much.

      • Cheryl

        Give it time. I always hope they’ll be better but if they win 80 games many will be surprised. Meanwhile, it will be an interesting draft this year.

  • ruby2626

    Anyone else concerned Gray threw 121 pitches last night. Reminds me of K. Wood in H.S., he was badly overused if I remember right.

    • SenorGato

      That is.nothing compared to how Wood was used. He started both games of a double header in the spring before his draft. Gray has 5-6+ days before he pitches again. College pitch counts are not major league pitch counts.

    • Kyle

      Not extremely. A college pitcher on a 7-day rest schedule isn’t going to need to see the same usage as a pro pitcher on a 5-year schedule. I wouldn’t want to see him go 121 every start, and I wouldn’t want to see him go much beyond that ever, but the occasional 121 doesn’t worry me too much.

      • Kyle

        Derp. 5-day schedule. Though there were times in the Prior/Wood saga that five years between starts sounded about right.

  • North Side Irish

    Kiley McDaniel ‏@kileymcd 45s
    Talked to a couple sources the last few days that describe what the Astros are doing right now as “exploring all alternatives to Appel.”

    • another JP

      I read that as Houston hates either Appel, Boras, or both. My guess it has to do with Boras (assuming your sources are correct). That also means the Cubs might have similar issues and would be a major problem for Appel. If the Cubs don’t take him with the second pick, he very well could drop far enough where a team can’t offer him an acceptable slot and force him to pitch in some international league for a season. Good scenario for the Cubs to work a below slot deal IMO.

      • North Side Irish

        My guess would be that Appel isn’t willing to make a pre-draft deal or has said he won’t take below slot. There were rumors that the Cubs preferred Appel and were prepared to offer him the full #2 slot plus the 5% overage. So if he knows he’s not slipping past #2, then there’s no reason for him to take less than that from Houston.

  • Rebuilding

    Manaea is an interesting proposition. If he is really falling that far I could see teams at the end of the first round skipping him as well. Given that he is a junior he has all of the leverage and since he was a Top 5 pick coming into the season I doubt he would take low first round money. However, if we could get KC’s comp balance pick #34 we could use that money with our 2nd round pick money and make him a pretty decent offer. If we could somehow get Appel and Manaea…wow

    • Rebuilding

      A DeJesus to KC for the comp pick and K. Herrera seems to make a lot of sense to me

      • ssckelley

        But wouldn’t that create a hole in their bullpen? KC would be looking to add pieces not trade them away.

        • Rebuilding

          Well, we are dealing with Dayton Moore here. Herrera is only 23 and hasn’t been that great this year. I think Moore likes moxie and veterans so he might do it

  • nkniacc13

    it may I could also see the Cubs trying to add international signing $ as well on any deal that they could get done before July especially if they are going after the top 3 international players avaliable

  • nkniacc13

    have to assume that the cubs are trying to trade Bowden even if all they would get is international pool $ it would kinda be a win. I wonder if any other picks like Baltimore’s could end up getting traded we see KC’s name mentioned all the time is there any other teams picks in those areas that anyone could see maybe moving?

  • Die hard

    A Pujols Cabrerra Harper Trout is rare– if Bryant has this potential then he’s the pick

  • Die hard

    Great hitters make pitching staffs better but great pitchers do not help batters hit better — also would you have wanted Mike Schmidt or Steve Carlton? Billy Williams or Ferguson Jenkins? Take the hitter every time — last great pitcher taken was Prior – case closed

  • Saving Grace

    my friend who works for the Sox said the Cubs are scouting Kansas City and Toronto heavy now.Toronto suprised me,could be on the major league level if they are sellers.
    He keeps mentioning Seattle and Texas too.

  • nkniacc13

    Ive seen KC mentioned before and Dejesus and the Comp pick keep coming up but I think there has to be more in a deal if it were to happen soon. I get Texas with starters cubs have but Toronto and Seattle kinda surprise me.

  • JoyceDaddy

    After the Pirates lost out on Appel last year I had hoped for a scenario in which we would be able to acquire Appel. I am now on board with selecting Appel but I just hope the FO gets it right whomever they select.

    • Die hard

      Why would Appel want to sign with Cubs?

      • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

        Because he doesn’t want to risk injury and waste a year in the independent leagues or in Japan.

        • Jp3

          Yeah I know that Boras is the games best negotiator but he plays chicken with a lot guys careers. His job is to get his clients the maximum amount of $$$ but sometimes I feel like he’s not acting in the best interest of each of his individual clients and more making sure his practice is making maximum money. He’s always demonstrating that hes willing to shoot the hostage (sending a prospect off to Japan or like JD Drew making him play in the independent league somewhere) and I could see him doing worse this year to try and put an end to the draft rules he hates

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

            Boras works for Appel, not the other way around. If Appels wants to sign, he’ll sign regardless of what Boras thinks of the CBA.

            • Die hard

              What are you smoking ? Can we have some?

            • Kyle

              Exactly this.

              Boras doesn’t force guys to go for the most money. Guys sign with Boras because they (perfectly reasonably) want to chase the most money they can get.

              • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                Almora is a great example of this. Signing him was never in serious doubt. It looks like Boras and the Cubs agreed that Almora would get slot plus whatever was leftover from the 5% extra. He signed late, but completely without drama.

            • Jp3

              I know what you’re saying Luke that Boras is the employee but you have to admit he is mighty persuasive talking the likes of guys like Drew playing for some crappy independent league team for pennies on the dollar because whatever team drafted him the previous year didn’t want to sign him for a billion dollars or whatever.

              • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

                That’s not exactly what happened in the Drew case. Drew made it pretty clear he was not going to sign with Philly. The $10 million number was floated, but there were doubts he’d have signed had Philly met that demand… and there was no chance that Philly was going to meet that.

                The next year he did sign with a different organization, and he didn’t get $10 million either.

                • Jp3

                  Because he didn’t want to ride the bus in the independent league anymore… He probably finally told Boras I’m not playing in this crap league anymore so you can prove a point to all the GMs again that you’ll shoot the hostage if you don’t get every nickel not nailed to the floor. I do remember he didn’t want to play in Philly though, that was just the 1st example I could think of. Hell, apple would’ve made a lot last year, who bent his ear into not signing with the pirates?

  • Die hard

    In Japan can make 3 times what Cubs want to pay

    • Jp3

      Yeah and live there and not understand most of the population…

      • Die hard

        Most speak English unlike Americans who can barely speak own language

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Why would a Japanese team pay him big bucks knowing he’ll walk in a year?

      You can cobble together whatever fantasy you like, but at the end of the day Appel has few options. He’ll be drafted in the top three picks, and he’ll with who he is drafted by. The question is when he’ll sign and for how much.

      • Die hard

        Cause if he’s that great will fill the stands and bring a championship earning yots of yen

  • Die hard

    Also if does well in Japan then can demand 5 times as much over here including condition that go straight to the show without passing go

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Luke

      Not for a few years yet. There is an age limit beneath which players pass through the draft. I sort of doubt Appel would give up that many seasons.

      And if he went back into the draft next year, he’d be in the same scenario.

      He has no real options. He’ll be drafted top three, and he’ll with who drafts him. The only question is on what day he’ll sign, and for how much.

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