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cubs-all-star-2011-patchAll-Star selections are silly for a variety of reasons that tie largely to the mid-season sample size and the vagaries of fan voting (particularly in the Internet age). But, the game, itself, and the process remain kind of fun in a weird way, so I’ve got no beef.

So long as you don’t tie any actual meaning or significance to it, mind you. Eh hem.

The first batch of voting for the Midsummer Classic was released today, and the NL results are mostly what you’d expect. A smattering of quality performers, fan favorites, and random players who play for teams in large markets.

But I couldn’t help but notice: not a single Chicago Cubs player appears in the top five at any position, or in the top 15 in the outfield.

Here are the results to date:

CATCHER
1. Buster Posey, Giants: 1,275,956
2. Yadier Molina, Cardinals: 938,911
3. John Buck, Mets: 523,843
4. Jonathan Lucroy, Brewers: 313,574
5. Brian McCann, Braves: 285,600

FIRST BASE
1. Joey Votto, Reds: 1,044,742
2. Brandon Belt, Giants: 513,371
3. Paul Goldschmidt, Diamondbacks: 473,513
4. Adrian Gonzalez, Dodgers: 464,845
5. Freddie Freeman, Braves: 438,868

SECOND BASE
1. Brandon Phillips, Reds: 1,019,240
2. Marco Scutaro, Giants: 801,754
3. Chase Utley, Phillies: 524,219
4. Matt Carpenter, Cardinals: 439,239
5. Dan Uggla, Braves: 384,462

SHORTSTOP
1. Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: 1,025,844
2. Brandon Crawford, Giants: 668,140
3. Jean Segura, Brewers: 554,403
4. Andrelton Simmons, Braves: 372,844
5. Pete Kozma, Cardinals: 311,852

THIRD BASE
1. Pablo Sandoval, Giants: 1,094,475
2. David Wright, Mets: 967,299
3. Chris Johnson, Braves: 386,811
4. David Freese, Cardinals: 375,428
5. Todd Frazier, Reds: 343,201

OUTFIELD
1. Justin Upton, Braves: 1,184,249
2. Bryce Harper, Nationals: 1,182,532
3. Ryan Braun, Brewers: 945,665
4. Carlos Beltran, Cardinals: 847,924
5. Shin-Soo Choo, Reds: 743,755
6. Hunter Pence, Giants: 624,972
7. Andrew McCutchen, Pirates: 576,201
8. Angel Pagan, Giants: 572,400
9. Matt Holliday, Cardinals: 491,629
10. Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies: 482,719
11. Gregor Blanco, Giants: 475,662
12. Carlos Gomez, Brewers: 472,272
13. B.J. Upton, Braves: 420,104
14. Matt Kemp, Dodgers: 389,372
15. Jay Bruce, Reds: 374,852

Given the Cubs’ rough start on the offensive side, particularly among the guys likely to garner All-Star level attention, I can’t say I’m surprised at the lack of Cubs. Then again, in what basically amounts to a popularity contest, it’s sad to see Cubs fans so woefully underrepresented. I’m not advocating stuffing the ballot boxes for undeserving players, but, well, these things are more fun when the Cubs are involved (and not merely the league-mandated one-player-per-team variety). Derek Jeter is the fifth-leading shortstop vote-getter in the AL for crying out loud. Say what you will about the Yankees, but their fans turn out the support – rational or otherwise.

  • mudge

    If fans could vote for pitchers, different story.

    • @murdiddlyurdler

      I agree. the hitters are appropriately represented. russell or shark will get the call for the game unless starlin gets crazy hot. this is how it works when your team stinks and is drafting in the top 5.

  • EQ76

    wow… not one anywhere near getting voted in.. sad. Didn’t we have like seven or eight All-Stars in ’08?

  • jayrig5

    The Yankees are 32-25, against fairly overwhelming odds (by Yankee standards.) They’ve also built up a bit more goodwill with their fan base.

    I’m totally on board with the rebuilding plan, but giving up all pretenses of being competitive means you lose quite a bit of rabid fan interest, which is manifested in things like All-Star voting.

    • fromthemitten

      Brett points out Derek Jeter because he hasn’t played yet due to injury

      • Jay

        Which tells you all you need to know about the validity of the all-star game as anything but a popularity contest. The players should vote for who gets in, at least they know what’s going on.

        • YourResidentJag

          Which also tells why it shouldn’t be used to determine the home field advantage of anything. Oh, Bud Selig. :(

  • ETS

    Pete Kozma > Starlin Castro? I just died on the inside, a little.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      Cardinals fans know how to turn out the vote …

      • Kyle

        The worst part is, it’s statistically justified.

        Kozma 0.6 fWAR this season, Castro 0.2.

  • Jp3

    Well if there was a platoon position open we’d certainly be in the running with a few players for that

    • Timmy

      how depressing – “at least we’re a platoon strong team” as a mantra for 2013.

      • YourResidentJag

        That’s because we decided to take a pass on Puig/Cespedes. They’d be batting right now in the RF platoon position. And that RF platoon wouldn’t be here. Not that I’m opposed to the platoon. I’m opposed to those players batting in the middle of the lineup.

        • Timmy

          i agree with this, of course, and this is the reason why i think that Sveum deserves no criticism…yet. you have to give a manager professionals who are well treated and experienced. he can’t play baby sitter on the basics and plot a course to winning more than a few random streaks at a time.

          • YourResidentJag

            Oh, I agree with respect to the manager. I just think the roster construction of the team is flawed. Not Sveum’s fault. He can only play the players he has.

        • ETS

          We didn’t pass on Cespedes. If I recall correctly, we offered more money, just not the short time frame the A’s offered. We were also second overall on Darvish, iirc.

          • YourResidentJag

            And Theo knew how to be conservative enough to make an effort, but on his terms “not break the bank”. So if going higher than the A’s on the Cespedes was deemed breaking the bank, the Cubs indirectly took a pass.

            • ETS

              So you complaint is that he won’t pay players beyond the value they will add to the team (based off all known information)? Do you also complain about soriano’s contract?

              • YourResidentJag

                And yet strangely enough he overpaid for Edwin Jackson, using your theory. Why? Because he saw the value of guys like Malhom, Feldman, and Villaneuva and Baker coming off an injury. SP whose metrics had them average to slightly above average pitchers, and signed them for a fraction of the cost to lesser deals. So, on the surface your argument seems to make sense, but in reality it really doesn’t. And who’s comparing Soriano’s deal to Cespedes in terms of the players they currently are….oh, that’s right, you. You are. :)

                • ETS

                  I’m comparing complaining about Cespedes deal and complaining about soriano. That’s fundamentally different than comparing the 2 deals themselves.

                  We can’t know if he o’paid Jackson based off “my theory” since the models used to project player value are based off propriety statistic models and proprietary scouting analysis. But, if you look at publicly available data then most project 2013 ejax to be between a 2 and 3 WAR player. At ≈ $5.5m that puts ejax in the 11-16.5m range which is where he is signed. Sure, those numbers are projected to decrease each year of his contract but that 5.5m figures is conservative and the inflation rate of a W in baseball in the current market is astronomically high.

                  • YourResidentJag

                    And who knows what the ultimate WAR value will be for Cespedes, because as you’ve said “it’s too early to tell.”

                    “I’m comparing complaining about the Cespedes deal and complaining about the Soriano deal. That’s fundamentally different than comparing the 2 deals themselves.” And who’s said I’m complaining about either? That’s a made up analogy that you’ve made up yourself.

        • http://www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

          This is bullshit and you know it. They offerred Cespedes $36 million and the A’s offered him the same but for only 4 seasons. Considering a lot of people thought Cespedes needed a while in AAA to adjust, they were looking at nearly $12mil per MLB season for a 26 year old player who had only rarely faced pitching more advanced than your average A-ball pitcher. That would be crazypants.

          Even more crazypants was the Puig signing. Puig only had one official “showcase” (basically took BP and nothing else because he was out of shape) that was poorly attended because they changed the COUNTRY of the showcase the day before. Very, very few teams knew enough about him before the J2 deadline to feel comfortable enough to sign him, let alone for $42 million.

          While the Cespedes deal looks like it may have been worth it, Puig is still largely an unknown. He’s a freakish athlete but he’s got a *ton* to get better at. He’s extremely raw at the plate and has a terrible approach. I’d wait a bit before saying that he’d currently be starting in RF for the Cubs, or performing better than Schierholtz has

          • Timmy

            more defenses of management who can’t get something done and losing out to lower-scale teams.

            again, the difference between ‘new’ sports fans and old ones is the willingness to watch their team rot unless ownership is able to underpay players. fans would rather scorch their own earth than win on the north side, if it means a billionaire gets another million or two in the bank.

            • Timmy

              i’m really starting to think that fantasy baseball and all of its abstractions, such as WAR, have completely confused baseball fans about core values of the sport. and there’s been one core value that works as a gestalt for the rest… the new core value instead seems to be vicarious management demagoguery.

              • hansman1982

                SIGN ALL THE FREEEEE AGENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT’S WORKED SO AMAZINGLY WELL FOR THE ANGELS AND DODGERS THE PAST 2 OFFSEASONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                • Timmy

                  no one has argued that the team should take huge bad contracts on players over the age of 30… though carl crawford, while overpaid, has been back to form and adrian g. has been great.

                  it’s a question of overt claims that the team _shouldn’t_ win, or that winning isn’t on the agenda for years, even though the cubs are one of the biggest market teams in the country.

                  then we get super fans that are so super that they comport themselves to just believe in anything the team does, even when the team is actively working against its fans.

                  • hansman1982

                    Well, unless you want a crap-ton of Edwin Jackson’s, you have to either do what Theo and Jed have done (sign 1-2 year guys) or sign the superstars of the world (or more accurately (and better) trade for them).

                    • Timmy

                      yeah, that’s kind of how baseball works! you sign a great player, pay them for their talent, and they produce. in contrast to the angels, who signed a lot of older players to long contracts, detroit is a great example of a team who invested a lot of money in younger stars and is an exciting team to watch. they may not win it all but they’re trying. and that’s sportsmanship.

                    • hansman1982

                      Ummm, free agency entails signing “a lot of older players to long contracts”. That is basically, exactly, what free agency is.

                      I bet, if you did an in depth analysis of the Tigers, you’d find about a third of their players are home grown, another third are acquired via trade and another third are signed as FA.

                  • cms0101

                    I don’t think you have to worship at the altar of Theo to appreciate some of the moves that have been made under his watch. I’m all for spending all the money in the coffers, but I don’t want this team to be in a situation where they need to add more and can’t because of budget constraints. That happened under Hendry and it was disappointing watching him juggle the roster to bring in lefty bats like Milton Bradley while dumping glue guys like Mark DeRosa. And no, I’m not a DeRosa worshipper either. Just using that as an example. If a team has to take away from one productive area to fill a hole in another, that doesn’t often lead to success.

                    The free agent market isn’t what it was even 5-6 years ago, given teams have smartened up and started signing their players to long term deals at younger ages. While the Jackson deal doesn’t seem to be panning out thus far, this FO used a logical approach, thinking they wouldn’t be able to build a rotation in one season when they were ready to contend, so why not add a piece now. Too bad it wasn’t Anibal Sanchez, but they had the right idea. If they can lock up Shark and control Wood a little longer, they have the makings of a decent rotation. Hopefully Jackson figures things out while they’re out of contention and matures, ala Dave Stewart, just in time for the playoff push in 2015… or sooner.

                  • cms0101

                    It didn’t hurt that Detroit was bad enough to get Verlander in the draft. Having the best pitcher in baseball for 10 years is a nice start. Then taking advantage of a selling Marlins team to get Cabrera was ridiculous. Having the stones to sign Fielder last year was a nice move. It made it easier that they have the DH for him to fall back when he can’t play 1st anymore. They’ve cobbled together a nice team. They took advantage of building up the farm system during bad seasons and trading those prospects to load the ML team. I’d be all for the Cubs following that model. I kind of feel lke they are, in fact.

                    • Timmy

                      so on this point we’re completely agreed – i hope that i’m wrong! i just don’t see evidence that the cubs are really building for the future. we’re just doing what every other team is doing by building the farm, and about as well as 12 other teams also trying to compete this year.

                  • cms0101

                    I appreciate what you are saying Timmy. Honestly, I believe some of the rebuilding started on Hendry’s watch, signing drafted players overslot to restock the lower minors a little more and spending higher amounts internationally the last couple of years he was the GM. Trying to rate this FO on how well they’ve rebuilt the farm system in 1.3 seasons is difficult. But I believe they’ve added enough of their own pieces, Almora, Johnson, Soler, etc., that have ascended to the top 10 prospect list to convince me that they’re making progress. Vizcaino might be on that list too, if he returns healthy. And to get Vizcaino, they traded a guy they signed as a free agent, so they truly manufactured that player on their own. Still, I think we need at least one more season/draft to determine how well they farm rebuild is going versus other clubs. They have also hit on several key free agent signings, while whiffing on a couple. Jackson, the verdict is still out, but it’s not looking great at the moment. Baker has turned out to be bad. Fujikawa, I didn’t love from the beginning, but clearly the outcome is more related to bad luck than a bad decision. I think by this year’s trade deadline, factoring in one more draft class and prospects received in trades, might allow us to make a better assessment of their farm rebuild progress.

                    • Jp3

                      Boy my platoon sarcasm sure stirred up a shitstorm. I only hate platoons because its kind of like the Jets QB situation in that if you have 4 QBs vying to start it means you have none

            • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

              That’s some fine ad hominem arguing you’re doing today Timmy. Re: this post and the one below it, nothing you say actually counters the points I made about why the signings were questionable, just that I don’t give a shit about winning or care about Ricketts making more money. (Especially your “WAR is confusing fans” bit, like actually understanding what value is (hint: it has fucking nothing to do with money) hurts my ability to understand the game)

              • hansman1982

                I was going to post how many words more it took for him to say the same thing, but figured I’d educate rather than pontificate.

              • Timmy

                thank you for noticing my ad hominem approach. when i try to argue constructively no one notices so i’m trying to write like a superfan.

                the basic gist is that the cubs can compete now, compete later, and build for the future. there are _always_ reasons to be concerned about large contracts. but the cubs decided against just as many good free agent signings as bad ones. stats can ‘explain’ these decisions, and they can also be used to explain why they would have been good signings.

                in the end, we just aren’t signing players. our farm system is improving but so are the farm systems of a lot of other teams. that’s just not a valid argument for why the cubs wouldn’t try to compete with so much money available. there are other reasons, and ownership isn’t even trying to conceal them.

                • Timmy

                  and my larger concern here is that fans are so used to losing that they’re being capitalized on with fake arguments about the future. “there’s always next year” isn’t a business plan to profit in the present.

                • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

                  Well, I disagree with you on the “it is possible to build the farm system and compete a the same time” argument based on where the Cubs were at beginning of rebuilding (it’s a unique set of circumstances for each team’s rebuilding). But if you want to make the argument that they should be spending more, be sure to blame Ricketts for it, not the front office. They’re employees and have budget constraints, and it’s not fair to criticize them for a lack of big-money signings if there’s no money from Ricketts for that. I don’t have the time to get into such a nuanced discussion about all the factors surrounding the big money signings, but it is possible to love what the front office has done AND wish that the team was spending more money. Front office moves and spending are very different discussions in my mind.

                  • Timmy

                    ok i am going to cede this point to you.

                    but the question still remains – why aren’t cubs fans more angry at ownership for restricting team success? why has the reverse happened, where cubs have started rooting against their own team improvement for some abstract future success that’s far from guaranteed. because a player was a million bucks too much here or there? that’s management logic, and inappropriately applied to the central question of fandom – the desire for honor through winning.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      Because it isn’t the current ownership that put us in this mess. The current ownership is cleaning up what was neglected by the previous.

                    • Timmy

                      wrong answer – the current ownership is spending significantly less per year–25%–than past ownership.

                    • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

                      Just because they spent more doesnt mean they weren’t the problem. Aside from poor baseball spending (bad signings and criminally cheap draft spending) they also signed well below-market TV deals with WGN because they owned both the Cubs and WGN

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      Do you not see that the Tribune Co. increased their amount of spending on the Major league club to raise value? They also spent nothing anywhere else. The current ownership is now having to build up what has been neglected for so long. Including Wrigley. The farm was a desolate. The FO was barren. The mindset was that of the 80′s. Money is being spent, it just can’t always be seen. The new computer system that is made solely for the Cubs, The Dominican facility. The list goes on where their attention has to be split to cover up what has been neglected for such a long time.

                    • Timmy

                      this still skirts the basic point, even after repairs, lawsuits against rooftops, and racist advertising campaigns against the president, ownership is still spending approximately 50 million less than they could based upon revenues. none of these arguments add up, they’re just red herrings.

                    • Cubbie Blues

                      “racist advertising campaigns against the president”

                      Ah, now I see what you are driving at. Never mind this is a pointless endeavor. Good-day.

                    • Timmy

                      how dare timmy point to a pattern of ownership making dubious decisions?

                    • Jono

                      Criticizing a black president is racist? No one wants to read paritisan hack bullshit here

                    • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

                      LOL, love how you think funding a movie to promote a series of proven falsehoods about the president’s country of origin is just “criticizing”. It’s adorable, really

                    • Jono

                      Right, falsehoods. Keep the partisan hack bullshit for someplace else

                    • Jono

                      Even if they are false, what does race have ANYTHING to do with it? Don’t white people lie about other white people in politics? Im sorry to keep this going, but im sick of this kind of race bating. You’re a political hack and race bater

                    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

                      Take your own advice and just let it go.

                    • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

                      Shouldn’t you be commenting on a Cardinals blog somewhere?

                      Regardless, if you can find even the tiniest shred of evidence in favor of your position, I will literally film myself taking a shit and eating and post it to the message board.

                    • Kyle

                      It’s not an either/or.

                      The current ownership has a lot to do with the current problems (which aren’t that bad). So does the previous ownership.

                      But we’ve got a .500 team (that unfortunately hasn’t actually gotten .500 results) and a strong farm system. That’s not such a bad place to be.

                    • Timmy

                      sorry, didn’t mean to open the pandora’s box of tea partiers. i forget that they live in big cities like chicago too sometimes. no offense, because i’m an independent, but that ricketts thing was one insane and cruel hearted piece of politics.

                      AND i think they’re crapping all over our team. so i don’t like them. i do like theo and can be convinced he’s doing his best with a bad situation. some of you have kind of done that today.

                    • Jono

                      Ok, my last post about this, sorry brett and everyone. Find one piece of evidence that it’s about race. That’s the issue, whether the claims are true or false. People lie in politics. If you have thin skin, don’t pay attention to it. It’s about your racist comment. Find me ONE piece of evidence that its about race. Ok, since I know you can’t and that you’re just race baiting, I don’t have to write anything else about this. Sorry everyone. Sorry brett.

                    • http://www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

                      Jono, will you promise to come back and check this in about 4 hours when I’m off work and can find the articles I’m thinking of right now? Cause there’s a ton of evidence for it.

                      (Also, when you’re the one making extraordinary claims/conspiracy theorist claims, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove your side, not me)

                    • Timmy

                      let’s not dwell on how the ricketts family considered race baiting as a political tactic.

                      the big point here is that they are awful owners. worse that the trib company? who cares. what makes this depressing is the coerced complacency of fans who no longer even hope to win. they’d rather see our mega-rich owners pocket money than spend revenues. that’s it.

          • Kyle

            You can’t justify decisions based on what “people said” about a player.

            It’s our front office’s job to know better than the consensus.

            That said, there will always be misses. They are hitting at a fine rate.

            • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

              Well who do you think the “people” who say such things are? They’re professional scouts who relay news along to guys like Law, Callis, Parks, etc. It wasn’t writers saying he probably needed time, it was professional scouts telling writers that

              • Kyle

                That’s their competition.

                If our front office is a good front office, they’ll be right more often than those people.

          • YourResidentJag

            So, the Cespedes deal looks like it may have been worth it. Bullshit. No really!!! ;)

            • http://Www.shadowsofwrigley.com T C

              Looks like it now but the guy can’t stay healthy and the league appears to be adjusting to him. I think it’s tough to fairly judge until a few seasons from now

        • Patrick W.

          Cubs didn’t pass on Puig either. Rumor has it that the Cubs offer was better, but that the Dodgers enlisted celebrity help (Magic Johnson) to seal the deal.

          • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

            For whatever it’s worth, I strongly doubt the Cubs offered more than $42 million for Puig. I suspect it was far lower than that.

            • cms0101

              And rightly so. The money the Dodgers gambled on Puig was ridiculous, regardless of how talented him may end up being. There were simply too many unknowns to go all in on a guy like this.

              • Jay

                And I’m glad they didn’t end up with Darvish either. Not that I wouldn’t like to have him aboard—
                But–By the time you end up paying the posting fee AND the player’s contract, you’re allocating an insane amount of money for a player that you really have no clear idea how they will perform once they arrive in the ML.

        • hansman1982

          You do realize that Cespedes and Schierholtz have both provided 1 WAR so far this year?

          • YourResidentJag

            So far, they may have. Like to see end of the season numbers. Then I’ll debate with you.

  • Timmy

    Are they really underrepresented here, or is this just, as any non Cubs fan would observe, an awful team put together on a substandard budget dictated by owners with no concern of winning within the next 5 years?

    Rizzo will certainly be an all-star someday, but he’s just getting started.

    • mjhurdle

      “as any non-Cubs fan would observe” – Far be it from me to stop you when you are on such a roll……but i live down on the IL side of STL. and there are a good number of Card fans that acknowledge that the approach the Cubs FO is using seems to be working, and that feel that the Cubs will be very competitive in a couple of years.

      just thought i would point that out seeing as you feel you speak for all non-Cub fans everywhere. Now carry on with your rant.

      • Timmy

        i’ve been trying this point from different angles for a few months, you just have to admit that you like the rant method best.

  • BD

    The only potential players Cubs fans should be voting for are Rizzo and Castro. Rizzo is sort of mixed with those guys behind Votto, so that’s not really a surprise. Can the fact that Castro isn’t showing up here be tied solely to his 2013 performance thus far? I hope so, because otherwise he is getting no love from Chicago or anywhere, seeing as how Kozma is ahead of him.

  • Carew

    T. Wood and possibly Feldman

  • Dan

    Difference is, the Yankees are competing for a World Series title, the Cubs are competing with the Marlins for the worst record in baseball.

    • bbmoney

      hyperbole?

      I mean it hasn’t gone real well, but we’re 7.5 up on the Marlins…..conversely we’re only 8 behind the Yankees.

  • Spencer

    Lots of Giants players. Brandon Belt 2nd? Wow.

    • Cubbie Blues

      Yes, and Gregor Blanco? He of an 81 wRC+?

  • http://ehanauer.com clark addison

    All Star voting is a farce. They ought to give it back to the players and coaches.

    The only Cub worthy of consideration this year is Travis Wood.

  • Dan

    The best positional player the Cubs have is Anthony Rizzo and his numbers are good but not better then any of the first basemen in the top 5.

  • Jason P

    Giants fans stuffing the ballots, as usual

  • Melrosepad

    The one that kills me is B.J. Upton and his .502 OPS (38 OPS+) is in the top 15 OF and we can’t get a single one.

  • Brian

    Brandon Belt 2nd (.250, 6 HR, .755 OPS– Go & compare with Rizzo’s numbers @Dan), Pete Kozma top 5 (.254/.312/.314), BJ Upton top 15 (.153/.237/.265). Gotta love fan ballots.

  • Frank

    I’d like to see them go back to player voting, because this has become a popularity contest.
    Also, are there any Cub players that really deserve to on the team?

  • Freshness21

    Vote Travis Wood for Pitcher and a write-in at every possible position.

    • Tim

      Can we vote him as a DH?

  • dash

    C’mon, people, let’s rig one for Ryno!

  • Tim

    BJ Upton? Im at a loss

  • Patrick G

    Giants fans are surely doing work. Brandon Belt over Goldy?

  • DaveY

    I am surprised there aren’t more Mets listed. I was a Wrigley usher in 1990 when the All Star game was held there. Not only did they encourage us to pass out and collect ballots, they let us take home as many ballots as we wanted to fill out however we wanted. I must have voted hundreds of times. I never filled out an individual ballot, it was always a stack of 8+ at a time. You had to poke a hole next to a player’s name to vote for him so it was easy to stack a few ballots and register multiple votes with one poke. We were the unofficial ballot stuffers.

    I gave ballots to any of my high school classmates that wanted one, even a few Sox fans. I mostly voted for Cubs. For the American League I mostly filled out deserving players or at least who was hot that week but sometimes it got a little silly. The all best name team, the all worst player team. The oldest team.. alphabetical order team….

  • Jason

    the biggest sham isn’t that no Cubs are up there, but that Jean Segura is not #1 at SS. Nothing against Tulo at all, but come on.

    • http://cubsdailyrecaps.blogspot.com Jason P

      Tulowitski’s having statistically the better season — higher OPS and WAR, more home runs and RBI, higher OBP. Segura only beats him in AVG and SB

  • Fastball

    I lost interest in the All Star Game a long time ago. I think we would have a better game all the way around if the players picked who got to go. Now I must use a caveat on this because the players selected our 1st Baseman last year. Oh what a difference a year makes. Well in his case he was already toast at the all star break.

    • mudge

      Never been able to watch more than 2-3 innings of an all-star game even as a kid.

    • Brian Myers

      It lost its luster when interleague play started. Before then you could never see Lee Smith vs Dave Winfield or Ryno vs Roger Clemons unless it was the all-star game. Plus it didn’t used to be “watered down”. Today you might see the 33rd best player in the American League hit against the 32nd best player in the National League. Watching the battle to be the 64th best player in baseball isn’t really inspiring.

  • TSB

    It’s an all-star game, not a “best” player game. Lawrence Olivier was a better actor than John Wayne, but who would the public pay top dollar to see? Same goes for baseball.

  • David

    Change of discussion topic… I seem to recall that Baez was compared to Gary Sheffield after he got drafted. Or maybe it was just their bat speeds?? Here are Sheffield’s minor league stats:

    Rookie/ A+: 272 ABs, 15K’s (5.5%), 17HRs (6.3%)
    A: 570ABs, 48Ks (8.5%), 17 HRs (3.0%)
    AA: 355ABs, 45Ks (12.7%), 19HRs (5.3%)
    AAA: 64 ABs, 22Ks (35.3%), 9HRs (14%)

    MLB: 9217 ABs, 1171 K’s (12.7%), 509 (5.5%)

    Baez stats in minors: 573 ABs, 131 K’s (22.8%), 25 HRs (4.3%)

    Maybe we should trade him!!! Just kidding. Let the kid play!!

    • David

      It was just their bat speeds.

  • willis

    Daytona got four all stars, so there’s that…

  • chrisfchi

    Shark, and maybe Rizzo, right now, are the only ones I would consider. But alas, just a popularity contest.

  • Dustin S

    An aside, but Len was on the Score this afternoon and had some really interesting thoughts on Castro. It was nice to hear him open up a bit, I think he has to hold back and doesn’t have freedom to be quite as open on tv. It’s somewhat dumbed down at times. We’re fans, we don’t like negative, but I’d rather hear realistic practical thoughts from the analysts on where a player is at and what he needs to do to improve than a rose-colored glasses everything is fine routine. His comments weren’t even all negative, it’s just that sometimes having an open honest discussion involves touching on both good and bad points. It was one of the things I liked about Brenly. If Len could gain enough clout to be as open on tv as he was in today’s radio interview, he could be one of the best in the business because he definitely has the baseball knowledge.

  • baseballet

    Should we vote for EJax based on those underlying peripheral statistics on Fangraphs?

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