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citi field metsI miss David DeJesus already. The fact that he probably wouldn’t be playing against a lefty today is beside the point.

DeJesus hit the DL today, and Shawn Camp is coming off the DL to take his roster spot. That means the Cubs will have 13 pitchers for at least a little while – that’s eight in the bullpen and just four on the bench.

Game Info

Chicago Cubs (27-38) at New York Mets (24-38), 12:10 CT on CSN.

Game Thread and Series Preview

The Game Thread lives here. You should participate in the madness. And, of course, for those who aren’t into message board-style game threads, please feel free to use the comments on this post for your in-game commentary/outbursts.

The Series Preview for this series lives here.

Starting Pitchers

Scott Feldman (5-5, 3.22 ERA, 2.70 K/BB)

versus

Jon Niese (3-5, 4.24 ERA, 1.34 K/BB)

New York Mets Lineup

1. Jordany Valdespin, 2B

2. Daniel Murphy, 1B

3. David Wright, 3B

4. Marlon Byrd, RF

5. Lucas Duda, LF

6. Justin Turner, SS

7. Anthony Recker, C

8. Juan Lagares, CF

9. Jon Niese, P

Chicago Cubs Lineup

1. Darwin Barney, 2B

2. Cody Ransom, 3B

3. Starlin Castro, SS

4. Alfonso Soriano, LF

5. Anthony Rizzo, 1B

6. Scott Hairston, RF

7. Welington Castillo, C

8. Ryan Sweeney, CF

9. Scott Feldman, P

  • DarthHater

    Camp? This board will be lighting up soon…

  • Die hard

    Any lineup can beat these Mets … Hairston to breakout over next 30 days hitting .400

  • Kenster

    I miss DeJesus already just cuz Shawn Camp was brought back…

    • MissC

      hahahah #freedejesus

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Thompsonville, Il_Cubs

      I wanted to see bjax come up. Smh

  • willis

    The Shawn Camp love from this organization is insane. How many crooked number innings does he have to give up this time before they finally cut bait?

    I cringe when this team faces LHP. Hopefully today is a better day for the RH lineup.

  • Honey nut Sorianos

    8+4=13?? Ha!

    • Chad

      It’s actually 8 relievers 5 starters (13 pitchers). 4 Bench players + plus 8 in the field is 12 hitters. 25 man roster

  • Honey nut Sorianos

    Duh… Plus starter. Ok back to hibernation

  • #1lahairfan

    How will this affect DeJesus’s trade value?

  • Die hard

    Think trade deficit

  • Rebuilding

    My minor league update of the day: Based on Fangraphs OttoNeu scoring system Alcantara has been the 13th most productive hitter across all AA leagues and is younger than all in front of him except Bogaerts. Baez has been the 6th most productive hitter across all A+ leagues and is younger than all ahead of him except Sano

    • Rebuilding

      Vogelbach has been the 12th most productive hitter across all A leagues and Almora leads all of minor league baseball in points per games played

      • Rebuilding

        Rank the Prospects:

        (1) 21yo SS in AA: 286/367/470 9 HRs, 16 SBs, 10.6%bb 20.8%k-rate

        (2) 21yo RF in A+: 281/343/467 8 HRs, 8.9%bb 16.1%k-rate

        • Kyle

          Can I get some scouting reports? Because just the stat line at A+ doesn’t mean much to me.

          • Rebuilding

            Kyle, I know you love Alcantara as much as I do. Not diminishing Soler at all, just not sure why it is a foregone conclusion he’s a better prospect. Just trying to generate more Arismendy love

            • Timothy Scarbrough

              Scouting reports. You have to look at scouting reports for MiLB guys.

              • Rebuilding

                Yeah, I think everyone knows that scouting reports are important. Thanks for pointing that out. Fortunately, after closely watching the Cubs minor league system for the last 15 years I realized they are wrong as often as they’re right. Ultimately only production matters

                • DarthHater

                  Ultimately, only ML production matters. AA production matters not at all, unless it does a better job of predicting ML production than scouting does, which I doubt.

                  • Rebuilding

                    Production at the AA level starts to matter a lot. A+ level and below not so much. If all you’re going by is scouting reports on tools then you’re Jim Hendry

                    • DarthHater

                      Saying it doesn’t make it so. You’re gonna have to point to some study that has shown that AA stats are a decent predictor of ML performance. I don’t think that’s the case, but I’m prepared to be persuaded–however, only by actual evidence.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Bill James said Major League Equivalancies were the “most important concept he had ever come up with”. And MLEa, like major league statistics” have strong predictive value. Its hard to do a blind study on scouting vs MLEs because often the guys with the best tools have the best stats. Here is a good article on the subject:

                      http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/btf/scholars/czerny/articles/calculatingMLEs.htm

                    • Rebuilding

                      Here is another good one showing how minor league stats strongly correlate with major league performance: http://blakemurphy.com/2012/09/12/down-on-the-farm-fun-with-major-league-equivalencies/

                    • DarthHater

                      Thanks, man. I have read some equivalency stuff before and have used an equivalency calculator, but I look forward to reading these articles. My one last comment for today would be this:

                      According to the only free online equivalency calculator I have found, Alcantara’s 2013 numbers, projecting from Tennessee to the Cubs, would be: .238/.304/.378. That suggests that, right now, he might be roughly a replacement level ML player. With further development, he could turn into an average ML player with a ceiling somewhat above average. So, while his AA stats are decent, they don’t project to anything to get super excited about.

                    • Rebuilding

                      Yes, but keep in mind that MLEs predict what he would do RIGHT NOW in the majors so if he got called up tomorrow that’s probably about right. It doesn’t project growth as a player. The judgment of potential growth is where the scouting reports come in – making us both right.

                  • Rebuilding

                    Isn’t that the major debate between sabermetrics and traditional scouting? Finding players whose actual production was greater than the scouting report. Both have their uses

                    • DarthHater

                      No, I don’t think it really is. At least not entirely. Just looking at a guy’s AA standard stat line isn’t doing sabermetrics. I don’t claim any expertise in this area, but I’m pretty sure the best practitioners use advanced sabermetric stats in conjunction with scouting to identify the parts of a player’s game that are progressing, the parts that need work, the parts that look like they will project well to the ML level, etc. A guy with a mediocre AA standard stat line might have advanced stats that indicate he’ll do better at the ML level than a guy with a better AA standard stat line.

                      So, no, I don’t think that a low regard for the predictive value of the AA standard stat line is equivalent to valuing traditional scouting over sabermetrics.

                    • Rebuilding

                      If you look at the Oliver system they try to do just what you are suggesting by taking age, level, peripherals and park/league factors to try and determine what a 19 yo in A+ ball might be. Minor league stats correlate quite strongly with eventual major league production

                • Chad

                  Wooo, it’s hostile in hur (real life slang on the internet looks awesome). High A is a bit more of a pitcher’s league too so a bit harder to put up the stats soler is putting up. But yeah, I love me some Alcantara too.

          • Rebuilding

            Just fun I blindly picked an example of A ball stats to see if it fit my narrative:

            (1) 2007 Boise (A): 346/470/605, 18.3%bb 16.8%k – #7 ranked prospect in system by scouts

            (2) 2008 Boise (A): 328/365/498, 4.7%bb 16.2%k – #1 ranked prospect in system by scouts

            Caveats – Small sample, age difference, cherry picked, etc. before I get attacked. I just thought it was interesting that Beane picked (1) which is Josh Donaldson, although I seriously doubt Hendry made (2) Josh Vitters available.

        • Rich H

          Big deal. Soler’s ceiling is way better than what your little stat game is showing. This is why low level stats are over rated.

          • Rebuilding

            Just trying to show how good Alcantara has been. Sorry to offend

  • Assman22

    Cubs have been hitting the phones hard for the past week and had a deal they were getting close on, but DeJesus injury has put discussions on hold…

    • Rebuilding

      I’m thinking KC for Duffy

    • Die hard

      Got a bridge for sale too

    • Hansman1982

      Jess goddamnit.

      Just freaking makes sense, I suppose.

    • cubchymyst

      That is upsetting, would have been nice to unload one of the outfielders, having 6 is getting old.

    • Andrew

      was it a deal involving dejesus, or are they just reluctant because there is less OF depth now?

  • Cheryl

    Why is Castro in the third position? He doesn’t do well there.

    • Cheryl

      PS: I’d rather put Sweeney third and keep Castro eighth.

      • YourResidentJag

        I rather have Sweeney in the #2 spot in the batting order.

    • another JP

      That’s an understatement. Already 0-3 with 3 Ks… Castro is absolutely lost right now and can’t even hit a 90MPH fastball.

      • willis

        From a lefty who doesn’t throw very hard. Dude is just whiffing away. Was hoping the other day would light his fire but he’s f’d up there right now. And we really could have used a knock there.

        • Cheryl

          He needs a break. Can the cubs find a way to put him on the DL for a week and then send him down for rehab?

  • Cheryl

    Wouldn’t it be nice if we could switch the major league cubs with one of the minor league teams for a day, excluding the AAA team?

  • nkniacc13

    wow sounds like Appel may only get between 6- 6.5 million how does that affect a Bryant deal?

    • Dustin S

      That’s surprising. Being a Sr didn’t help his leverage though this time around. With Bryant being a Jr he has a little more leverage, but it also means he’ll have to come in a fair amount less than Appel I would think. I don’t think there’s much chance of Bryant not signing, too much downside to risk going another year. Not like he’d get much more next year no matter how he would do.

  • Cory

    Mark Appeal signs for 6.5 Jon Heyman reports

  • DarthHater

    He won’t be called Mark Appeal until he gets his first suspension.

  • DarthHater

    Feldman!

    • Internet Random

      [img]http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k230/XMLCTkd76eTb/95s6439t5h65WerRr16_cr.jpg[/img]

      • DarthHater

        :-D

        • waittilthisyear

          feldman is dangerously close to surpassing wellington’s rbi total for the year

      • Chad

        Bizzarro Kramer, wonderful!

  • DarthHater

    ::sighs at Castro::

    • willis

      It’s getting to that worry point for me. He’s been so damn good for three years and now has fallen flat. A couple weeks is one thing, but this dude is in a free fall. Just awful to see.

      • http://vdcinc.biz 70′scub

        Time to look at the hitting coach?

        • Cheryl

          Also, time to make a move with Castro or he’ll continue to self-destruct. I don’t mean trade either. They signed him to a seven year contract. He’s lost his confidence and juggling him in the batting order isn’t helping. What can be done to help him?

        • Cheryl

          The cubs hired an excellent pitching coach out of college. Why not look at Jay Johnson, out of San Diego, Kris Bryant’s hitting coach and see if he’d make a good addition as an overall hitting coach in the minors. Bryant gives him a lot of credit for his progress.

          • wvcubsfan

            Wonder if he agrees with “The Cubs Way”?

            • Dynastyin2017

              Doesn’t EVERYONE believe in the ‘Cubs Way’?

  • carklos

    to Cheryl..is it smith or mahoney?

    • Cheryl

      ?

  • another JP

    Another great job by Feldman today- it might be the Mets but his ERA for the season is almost under 3.00. He might be the best trade chip the Cubs have right now.

    • another JP

      That’s the way to do it Starlin- hope that double gets him going. Finally a good AB

  • Kramden

    The Mets announcers described Castro as best undisciplined hitter where being undisciplined is now catching up with him.

  • DarthHater

    K-arlos Villanueva!

    • baldtaxguy

      That was a nice series of pitches against Wright

  • DarthHater

    Argh.

  • John

    3 for 18 risp. Thats not good!

    • DarthHater

      You are correct, sir.

  • http://www.bleachernation.com frank hutch

    castros pitch selection is absolutely brutal. Has been up with bases loaded 3 times today and has looked horrible on 2 of those at bats. If i was the opposing pitcher i would never throw him a strike. He will never lay off 4 straight pitches. No matter where they are. Hes so frusterating

  • Rebuilding

    If we hang on today and win tomorrow things start to get interesting. 4 with the Cards, but then the Brewers, Astros and Mariners. A run towards close to .500 is possible with that schedule

  • wvcubsfan

    come on get the third out

  • DarthHater

    Woohoo!

  • fromthemitten

    Feldman now has a 2.56 ERA against teams not located in Cinci

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