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The day was going so well …

With Kevin Gregg unavailable thanks to heavy usage in recent days (which is a good thing), Dale Sveum gave Carlos Marmol the opportunity to close out today’s sweep. Marmol had been pitching quite well recently in low-leverage situations. In today’s high pressure role, Marmol responded by recording just one out – a sacrifice bunt – and giving up four runs, including a game-winning three-run homer. There isn’t much to say.

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  • RyanWEIt

    The first person on my purge list is Carlos marmol haha

  • Mr. P

    I just wish Sveum would let us all know when he is planning on forfeiting games. At least we would all know not to watch. Absolutely ridiculous to have Marmol in any game where there is a remotely possible chance of winning. Dale has to know better at this point. This is a really good way to lose a locker room.

  • WGNstatic

    This won’t get talked about much, but part of this goes back to yesterday. Bases loaded nobody out in the top of the 9th, Cubs up 5-2. If the Cubs had tacked on a few more runs there, then Marmol likely doesn’t pitch today after Gregg got an off-day yesterday.

    • another JP

      Excellent point. Using Gregg yesterday was necessary when we could have blown the game open in the top of the ninth and rested him instead. But if we have to depend on scenarios like that to Marmol-proof the relief pitching, why have the stroke on the roster? The only way to prevent Sveum from using him is to cut him loose.

    • Aaron

      Additionally, today’s 1-8 w/RISP further underscores the point.

  • Casty

    Maybe Dale is told to throw Marmol out there in these situations to make sure the cubs lose the game and they don’t accidentally climb back to around 500. Because a top 5 draft pick would be better then just a top 10-15? Theo and Jed know best

  • Marc

    how come the cubs dont D’FA Marmol? they could get lucky and it would get him out of the bullpen at least

    • cub2014

      the real question is whose decision was it to
      have marmol close this game? why was Gregg
      used in the last game? Its obvious marmol
      cant close but non closing era is pretty solid

  • Dynastyin2017

    Whew….the 3rd pick in next years draft was getting away from us.

    • Sprtswiz1

      Would be better if we could get down to 1to get Carlos Rodon.

      • Dynastyin2017

        You never know what happens after our sell off, but Miami is pulling away with it.

  • willis

    People bitch (me included) about the lack of solid pitching depth in this organization, but does it really matter? We got 7 scoreless today from the starter, and still lost. As long as Sveum is making the calls, it just won’t matter.

    • King Jeff

      Probably not, at least until they develop more pitchers. Most teams develop good bullpens through their own system, and the Cubs haven’t produced a solid reliever candidate since Russell came up. Hopefully some of these promising arms develop into solid bullpen guys down the road.

      • Marc

        sean marshall?

        • King Jeff

          Marshall came before Russell, who was promoted in 2010. That’s way too long of a gap.

    • Geo

      Sveum can’t be blamed, this is a buisness with assets Carlos marmol is a worthless asset that the front office is trying desperately to turn around BUT IT AIN’T FN HAPPENIN, he can’t take pressure & he can’t throw fn strikes he should be in minors but the front office is stuck & is trying to cut its loses & if they don’t they get a 3rd or 4th pick in the first round . It’s a win win cause in the end they will pull a top first round pick to make up for what they lost on that plantain eating piece off chit marmol.

  • cubs82

    I agree 100% with Brad Swann

  • Mr. P

    I’d love to know what the rest of the team thinks of Dale putting Marmol in these situations. You would have to lose some respect for him wouldn’t you think?

  • Jeff

    Hands down Dale Sveum is the worst manager in all of baseball

    • King Jeff

      I don’t know, there is a guy in LA who has much more talent to work with and has just as bad of a record and just as much trouble with his bullpen management.

      • Jeff

        Poor Don, I don’t think he’s as bad a manager as Sveum, I think it’s the LA curse…lol

        The Dodgers are like the Lakers, you can spend all that money on star players, but good luck at getting them to play like a team.

        • King Jeff

          True, but look how long it took him to go away from Brandon League when he had a far more effective Jansen available to close. Similar to Dales’ situation except that he has no Jansen to go to instead, he’s got Camp, or Fujikawa, or whoever else beside Gregg and Russell that wants to blow it on whatever day we are on.

  • Ron Schwermin

    The cards should be able to sweep the cubs coming up because the cubs do NOT HAVE A MANAGER that belong in the majors…absolutely terrible and marmol…he should NEVER wear a cub uniform again!!!

    • mjhurdle

      Matheny is not that great of a manager either. much like Sveum, he is new and makes plenty of “rookie” mistakes.
      However, the Cardinal players are hitting .340 with RISP, so Matheny will get MoY consideration.
      Cub players are hitting .228ish, and so of course Dale Sveum must go.

  • Terry

    I dont think at this point Theo and Jed want us to win much this year agree with Dynastyin2017.

    • Jeff

      I don’t think with the current level of talent, that is much of an issue. We won’t be winning much anyway, but to sit there and watch a game like that and we have had many of them like this, this year, it’s like watching a child learn to ride a bike without training wheels……

      and then watch Dale Sveum run up and throw a stick through the tire spokes.

      • Geo

        There’s talent here, but the bullpen was purposely left in shambles to protect chances of pulling high first round pick.

  • John

    My birthday is coming up soon, a nice gift would be for the cubs to release Marmol. While there at it release Dale Sveum too. Im beginning to think it was Theo’s plan all along to draft the worst manager possible so the cubs could have a few high draft picks and when Sveums contract is up he might hire someone good.

  • kenster

    So I have Garza and Gregg on my fantasy team… I lose out on the Saves points since Gregg was unavailable and since Marmol had to go in because of it I lose the extra points i could’ve gotten for Garzas win… What a shame… I dream of a day with a bullpen that consists of a reliable bullpen that has multiple set up guys to handle a day of closing when the reliable closer needs a rest

  • Rich H

    All I have to say about this game is real simple. We have won 3 in a row before this one. I never heard one person questioning Sveum’s decisions during those games. Yet as soon as we loose one game “He is horrible. He is a joke. Blah Blah Blah.”

    There is 30 of these jobs available. There is also 6 minor league jobs available for each of these teams. This is not ever counting the 200 some odd college managers. I am saying this because if you have not ever interviewed for one of these lets say 500 positions then there really is no basis for your opinion about ANY major league manager.

    So quit sounding like a bunch of spoiled babies and actually say constructive stuff.

    • Jeff

      When this teams wins, it’s not because of Dale Sveum. When this team loses, half of the time it’s Dale Sveum…100% of the time if you decide not to blame the players for their poor performance and place all blame on Sveum for leaving them out there too fail miserably.

    • TSB

      If you criticize a manager when he is winning, you will get the reply “so what more do you want? He’s winning!” So if you don’t like criticism of Sveum when he is losing, when can someone criticize a manager?

      • Rich H

        I am not saying don’t criticize or second guess. That is what we as fans do. But these guys that go and say how stupid he is like they would do better tick me off. We can be critical without making it a personal attack. We sound like a bunch of Cardinal Fans.

    • Jeff

      Just because I have never interviewed for a managerial position doesn’t mean that I can’t be critical of bad managing.

      That’s like me rubbing your face in dog shit and telling you not to complain because your not a dog and your really don’t know what dog shit is.

      • DarthHater

        Well, nobody’s rubbing your face in bad managing. If you really find it that offensive, don’t watch it.

        • Jeff

          Dearth, please don’t respond to my posts. Clearly you and I don’t see eye to eye and I’m getting real tired of your antagonistic posts. Leave me alone. I don’t pick on you.

          • Jp3

            Dearth, haha. That’s what they say about him anyways😀

          • DarthHater

            You posted a comment about rubbing someone’s face in dogshit. I posted a perfectly civil response pointing out that nobody is rubbing your face in anything. If you don’t like my posts, that’s your own problem. I don’t give a rat’s backside and will continue to post in response to whatever I please.

            • YourResidentJag

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              • DarthHater

                I’m getting really tired of your antagonistic posts, Jag. ;-)

      • JoeyCollins

        “Just because I have never interviewed for a managerial position doesn’t mean that I can’t be critical of bad managing.”

        No it doesn’t, but it does me we can call out your criticism as having no basis in fact. And as just being the random thoughts of a guy who has no idea what he’s talking about. That being said I, along with most people on this site, have no real idea what i’m talking about. All opinions welcome and open to criticism. Except that dog shit part that made no sense at all.

        • DarthHater

          Joey, you and Jeff obviously don’t see eye to eye, especially about dogshit. So please don’t respond to any of his posts in the future. :-P

          • JoeyCollins

            I’ll try not to. But i should thank him, his dog shit comment reminded me i had been putting off some yard scooping.

    • another JP

      If you didn’t hear anyone complaining about Sveum the last several games it’s because you haven’t been paying attention. I know other posters as well as I have stated that Sweeney, Schierholtz, or other higher OBP guys should be batting at the top of the order instead of Castro for starters. It’s just that some of Dale’s decisions haven’t cost us games and Kevin Gregg has been perfect this year- if not for that we’d be even worse than we are now. What’s maddening is that we should have beaten this Mets team every game this year except for the one against their rookie phenom.

      • Rich H

        I wasn’t talking about you JP who does actual critical thinking and have solid idea’s. I was talking about these personal attacks and make it sound like he is the worse thing ever.

    • Tommy K

      Well, shut down the blog, I guess. None of us have a basis to give any opinions.

      What has Dale Sveum done to indicate that he is one of the 30 best managers in the world and therefore qualified to hold that job?

      And what kind of expert do you need to be to know relying on Marmol in that situation was a bad idea? Did any of us not get a sinking feeling when we saw Marmol in the bullpen? This isn’t a good pitcher that had an off day. This is a pitcher who has shown time and again that he does not respond well in these situations. How is Dale Sveum, who has seen every Cubs game the last two years, the only person in Chicago who doesn’t get that?

      • Jeff

        Cause Dale is a brainless Moron…The bigger point to Dale is that he doesn’t reflect well on the decision making of Theo and Jed.

        You take a look at his counter part over in Boston. They admitted their mistake, got rid of Valentine and look what John Ferrell is doing for them.

        The biggest problem I have with Theo Epstein is that he acts like he is God and that he doesn’t make mistakes.

        Other than two seemingly decent drafts, this FO has made several bad decisions and the Cubs, as a team, are far from being anywhere near competitive and a very long way off from that goal.

        • Tommy K

          I actually had a theory when Sveum was hired that I haven’t completely abandoned. The theory is that Sveum was not actually the manager Theo and Company wanted, but they knew they were going to be so bad in the near term that whoever they hired would be irreparably damaged by all the loses. Rather than hire a manager they actually liked, they hired Sveum to be a sort of sacrificial lamb. Not that they intentionally hired a bad manager; just that they hired someone whose career they didn’t mind ruining. When they think the team is ready to be at least respectable, they’ll fire Sveum and hire someone they actually like.

          I’m certainly not ready to throw Theo and Company out with Sveum. I think the organization as a whole is moving in the right direction, and the Cubs seem to have a long term plan for the first time in my life. And I don’t agree that they are “a very long way” from being competitive. I think this could be a .500 team next year and a pretty good team the year after.

          • The Cleanup Poster

            Should have never traded Campana, he could have been a player/manager

      • Geo

        They spent 8-9 million a year on him & they don’t want to piss that away, they know exactly what is going on this is a buisness their looking at the numbers & everything , high first round picks, slow laid back manager in place while they tank games unpurpose. It’s tough, but the best thing you can do to yourself is dont watch or listen to games this year if the losing stresses you out. Or watch them with the thought of knowing all along that they are not trying desperately to be competitive this year & that there are a few assets that they are trying to right & not take a financial bath on.

    • Dynastyin2017

      You know what else comes with those 500 manager jobs? Second guessing bad decisions. Dale seems to make a lot of bad decisions, so it’s only natural people wold question him. (btw, this has been happening for the 60 some odd years I’ve been watching baseball).

    • Bilbo161

      Agree whole-heartedly. It’s not Svuem. It’s the talent on the field. Like it or not we are stuck with the long term plan. To me, that is looking pretty good. Can’t wait to see some trades like the Marshall trade. That was a real winner. Once some trades take place we should see some talent moving from level to level in the minors when we hand out the cup of coffee to a few AAA guys. Yes, Marmol Stinks! It’s not the manager.

  • Ron Schwermin

    Dale Sveum needs to be fired…that’s constructive stuff…enough said

  • Jeff

    Everybody got all upset about the Stewart tweets and his 10 game suspension, I’m more upset that this clown Sveum is still manager. Hey Theo, how about a 95 game suspension for Dale Sveum, a much bigger problem!!!!

  • Tommy K

    If a pitcher blows a game, it’s the pitchers fault. If a pitcher blows multiple games, at some point it becomes the managers fault for putting him in situations to allow him to blow that many games. Dale Sveum has been given a free pass because the team is low on talent, but you can’t let Marmol blow that game. I can see given him a chance with a three run lead and Gregg not available, but you better have someone else ready to go at the first sign of trouble. You can’t let Marmol stay in the game long enough to blow it in that situation. You go to war with the Carlos Marmol you have, not the Carlos Marmol you want. The Carlos Marmol you have blows saves.

    This team should lose a lot of games based on talent, but we also seem to lose a lot of games we should win. Some of that has to be on Sveum. Oh, by the way, the only two offensive players on the team that actually matter are having disastrous years and aren’t showing any development.

    • Bilbo161

      I don’t agree. If there is fault to be found on Marmol it is with the front office. They should have dumped him long ago. The front office is still hoping that Marmol can build up some trade value. That will not happen if Svuem doesn’t play him. So who’s fault is it? Marmol/Theo! You could even say its the fault of the long term plan taking precidence.

      • Tommy K

        You can pitch Marmol. You just can’t pitch him in save situations. He’s been okay as a setup man. And he certainly has more value as a decent set-up man than as a closer that is incapable of closing.

  • DarthHater

    “There isn’t much to say.”

    Oh, really? Then why does this article already have 90 comments?

    • mjhurdle

      because Theo and the Cubs are apparently trying to lose, Dale is the worse manager ever to manage a MLB game, if the Cubs win it is because the players are awesome, if they lose it is because of Dale and his dumb decisions……and i feel like i am forgetting something……

      oh ya….Marmol was just pitching badly today because he was felring too much pressure from the Cubs drafting a pitcher in the 2nd round this year.

      • mjhurdle

        *feeling, not felring, whatever that is.

      • DarthHater

        It was a rhetorical question, man. ;-)

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  • Honey nut Sorianos

    One thing for sure, Gregg will be getting plenty of rest this next series. When you have a chance to win… Do what ever it takes to win! I don’t understand why this coaching staff focuses on future games by resting this player or that player. This team is frustrating.. The players, the coaches, the team.

  • EvenBetterNewsV2.0

    One of these days he will get DFA and I will get drunk for joy. I honestly can’t think of a more frustrating closer/ex-closer more frustrating than him.

  • Canadian Cubs Fan

    After the Buck single put two on with none out, the outcome with Marmol in the game was clear. Blake Parker was pretty much ready by then, and yet Sveum left Marmol in.

    He would not have been criticized by a single person on this board if he had made the pitching change. He didn’t do it, so he is rightfully getting lambasted.

    Theo and Jed are smart baseball men, and they see what we see. A change will be made, if not during the season, then shortly after.

    • King Jeff

      I agree. When Marmol is struggling that clearly, they need to go elsewhere. That same problem has seemed to haunt the Cubs since Marmol became closer though, not just under Svuem’s watch.

      • Honey nut Sorianos

        Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over yet expecting a different result.

        • 5412

          Hi,

          While I agree with you on the definition of insanity, folks are missing something.

          Sveum has few options available. Fujisawa is on the DL. If he had put Marmol in yesterday and he blew it people would be bitching because he didn’t use Gregg.

          Why is Marmol pitching? Because they know some contender will lose a pitcher down the stretch. Just maybe they might actually give us something in return if he strings together a few good outings. He is gone at the end of the year anyway.

          Point is it is much bigger than one loss in a lousy season.

          Regards,

          5412

          • YourResidentJag

            Yeah, pretty much. Ron Washington has been making some of the most mind-boggling moves for the past few years with the Rangers, and some of them have come in…..the World Series. ;)

  • JoeyCollins

    There are only two things to take away from this game. Neither of which has anything to do with Marmol or Sveum
    1. Garza had a good outing – he needed it and delivered
    2. Only 1 ER, 7 hits, 1 BB, 7 SO, and 1-8 with RISP – against the Mets

    Marmol blew a save, because this is what he does. People are surprised and angry? I blame them and not him. Sveum left Mamol in too long, or should have never used him at all. The FO will make a decision on Sveum when the time is appropriate, and now is not that time. Any assumption about what the FO thinks about him as a manager, or his future with the Cubs, is just a guess based on nothing at all. The front office will be nothing but supportive of Sveum until the moment they fire him, and nobody knows if, or when, that will happen. This is a losing year we knew that going in, and the FO will not fire a manager in the end of June in a pointless season. Why pay him to not manage, just to pay someone else to come in and manage a loosing team. It was sickening to watch the end of this game, and as a Cubs fan, it’s getting harder to stomach, but big changes are not coming right in the middle of the year. Maybe we should give Sveum two full seasons as a manager, or a decent lineup and bull pen before we all loose our minds.

  • willis

    It’s tough to watch your favorite team, when their priority isn’t winning games that are there to be won. You play to win. This organization doesn’t manage to win. The plan the plan the plan…it’s still bullshit.

  • Honey nut Sorianos

    My last vent for the day…. This offense sucks!

  • Mysterious4th

    Is Byrd still using? Because he never hit 11 HRs for us before the midway point thru a season.

  • MynameisDuddaIliveonthe2ndfloor

    Sveum has cost us games in late innings all season long–and it isn’t just his decisions with Marmol. Braves series in April—he imposes his shift defense in the 9th when we were up by three runs. The switch only works when the player is swinging in his normal fashion. The Braves needed base runners with only a few outs to work with and so they swung against their typical swing pattern in order to get on. Sveum’s addiction to Marmol did the rest of the work. We lose three games in a row that we should have won, which sunk us for about two weeks. . . . He can’t manage a line up, he can’t manage young players (playing Castro every day is clearly not working, and he can’t manage a bullpen. He prepares hard, but it’s like he’s on automatic pilot during the game. He’s just not very smart. He reminds me a lot of Wanny, frankly–a guy who seems like he should be a good coach because he prepares hard, etc..–but just isn’t smart enough to make good game-time decisions.

    • JoeyCollins

      What? So players have different swings when its a close game because the have to get on base? In what circumstances do players not want to get on base?

  • DocShock

    Joe Torre’s 1st 5 years as a manager:

    1977 New York (NL) 49 68 .419 6

    1978 New York (NL) 66 96 .407 6

    1979 New York (NL) 63 99 .389 6

    l980 New York (NL) 67 95 .414 5

    l981 New York (NL) 41 62 .398 5

    Went on to win 4 World Series in 6 trips. So i am curious do you guys think Joe became a genius overnight? I am not saying Dale is going to become an all-time great manager, but how about we give him a couple of years with useable parts and see what happens.

    • Tommy K

      I agree Sveum can’t be judged solely on record, but if he’s doing obviously stupid things that are costing us game now, why would we think he would stop doing that when the team gets better? I wasn’t watching Torre in those early years, so I don’t know if he was making bad decisions or not. I know Sveum is making bad decisions. And if we can tell he’s a bad manager now, we can’t give him a couple years after the team gets good players. The window is only open for so long.

      • DocShock

        Yes but are they, as you claim stupid, because you don’t like the outcome, because its all he has available, or because they are actually bad moves? And how many of those actual bad moves can you list where his hands are not tied because of the current roster. In other words wold he make different decisions if he had better choices?

  • dying cubs fan’s last request

    The only thing that makes my day after games like this is come in here and read people trying to defend Dale Sveum.

    • 5412

      Hi,

      I have watched the Cubs for 69 years. Sveum isn’t even close to my short list of awful managers….

      5412

  • Lokanna

    I’ve never liked this coaching hire, and I certainly am not being swayed in the positive direction. Sveum should not have been given the job, and this game WAS lost due to his decisions. Clearly Carlos can’t handle the pressure of a 3 out save any longer. You easily could have brought him in for the 8th and saved Russell for the 9th, or hell, ANYONE else. These types of losses are the worst. There just wasn’t a reason to sit and watch that downfall. As soon as WGN showed Marmol in the bullpen, I looked at my wife and said “There goes the streak.” I’m a dude in NC watching in my recliner, I’m not paid to know that, Dale is. Simply put, he’s not the answer, move along and get someone else. Someone who isn’t afraid to put Castro in his place for not focussing. Or who knows how to manage a bullpen.

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