Carlos Marmol DFA Bullets – Why Now, Trade Value, the Booing, Moving On

dale sveum carlos marmolA special set of Bullets to lead off your day. Regular Bullets will come, too, but there was so much Carlos Marmol to discuss, given his designation for assignment yesterday, that it would have overwhelmed everything else …

  • Cubs GM Jed Hoyer offered some very interesting thoughts in the wake of Carlos Marmol’s designation for assignment yesterday – thoughts he couldn’t share until the Cubs had made the move. “We held out on this move for a long time in part because with his salary, he was providing solid innings in the sixth and seventh,” Hoyer explained to the media, per Carrie Muskat. “The decision really came down to it had become a distraction. It became hard to pitch as well as he could because every time he threw two balls, he’d get booed, and I don’t think that’s easy for anybody. I think it became difficult for his teammates because there was a little bit of a sideshow mentality to it. We felt it was the right time. It had become a distraction and he wasn’t able to pitch late in the game for us. That was really the decision.”
  • On the way Marmol has been used this year, Hoyer wanted folks to know that it wasn’t about trade value. “He had a really good second half last year, and no one bid at the August deadline, and we didn’t have any offers other than someone else’s undesirable contract for ours,” Hoyer said, again per Muskat. “There was a lot of talk about trade value and things like that, but that something we’d given up on long ago.” I guess that means the Cubs have no hope of getting anything for him through the DFA process …. But seriously, the fact that the Cubs couldn’t get any kind of nibble at the end of August tells you everything you need to know. He was pitching very well at that time, but playoff-bound teams simply could not trust his high wire act. At least not in the late innings, and at least not when they’d have to give up value to get him. Then again, we don’t really know what the Cubs were asking or how much of his 2013 salary they were willing to take on.
  • Hoyer also wanted to make sure fans remembered just how good Marmol was for the Cubs for a long time.
  • It sounds like Marmol is on board with the move. His agent told Ken Rosenthal that “a lot of teams need bullpen help. He needs a change of scenery. There is nothing wrong with him physically.”
  • Jesse Rogers doesn’t buy the it-was-hard-for-Marmol-because-of-the-boos explanation for his struggles, pointing to Marmol’s rough outings to start the year before he’d even pitched in Chicago.
  • I’m torn on the booing thing. On the one hand, as I’ve said before, I don’t think it makes much sense to boo Cubs players for failing when they are otherwise trying the best they can. And I certainly think it’s gotta be hard to keep performing well when your own fans jump all over you for committing the grievous crime of … being called into the game. On the other hand, there are “stuff” explanations for why Marmol’s trajectory turned downward (also not necessarily his fault, given how hard he’d been ridden), and I’m not crazy about excusing a player’s performance because of the fans.
  • That said, Marmol got it worse than any player I can remember, even when he was still contributing positively to the team. Hopefully he latches on somewhere else, and hopefully he is well-received. There’s no reason not to wish him a great deal of success, and we’ll see how the DFA process plays out.
  • A couple of third-party takes on Marmol’s time with the Cubs, from Deadspin and from SB Nation.

Brett Taylor is the editor and lead writer at Bleacher Nation, and can also be found as Bleacher Nation on Twitter and on Facebook.

83 responses to “Carlos Marmol DFA Bullets – Why Now, Trade Value, the Booing, Moving On”

  1. cubfanincardinalland

    Jed, get a clue. The booing if anything was directed at the front office, for not doing the smart thing long ago, and moving this link to cub failure in marmol. By far their biggest mistake. And after trading him, and expecting anything but the cluster it was, simply foolish. Problem with big egos, they think they can fix everything. They were booing Theo and Jed because he was still out there stinking it up.

  2. Turn two

    Seems like this happening the morning after Blackhawks championship was well timed. Buried on the news.

  3. curt

    really Jed it’s the fans fault bc marmol sucked , ill give you he was an excellent closer for awhile and yes previous managers rode him like a quarter horse at the track , but I’m sorry when you perform yr job poorly and you are in a highly visible position fans are going to notice and let you hear about it, and I’m not sure if I buy the we gave up on the trade value position but that’s all in the past now , nice to know that the new cubs way is to make excuses for poor job performance , it’s s very unforgiving business and very much a what have you done for md lately one, I do wish marmol well just somewhere else.

  4. sven-erik312

    He’s gone. It won’t stop the Cubs from loosing, now someone else gets to take the heat. It seems to me that not enough people have read Chris Neitzels book.This year will continue to be tough, next year, not much better. Every Cubs fan needs to read that book, relax and take the preasure off the team. One more year of a high draft pick and we could start moving in the right direction. I’d still like to see Luke do a story on the minor league coaches and find out just how good they are at teaching. Do we have a Dave Duncan like coach at the minor league level? Those guys make the difference with all these hot prospects, do we have the right guys in those positions?

  5. RoughRiider

    Marmol was excellant for the Cubs in past seasons and I wish him well as long as he’s not pitching against the Cubs. He would probably be well advised to take the rest of the year off and try to sign in the off season.

  6. Adam

    On the booing…

    I’ve been a big supporter of what Theo and Jed have done to this point. I think however this is the final total suck year that they will get. Next year fans will want to see an upswing, with 2015 being a year that they possibly compete for a wild card spot. Otherwise, Theo and Jed will hear boos directed at them.

    1. RoughRiider

      I think that if we see prospects advancing and doing well, true Cub fans will put there booing off for awhile. The fact is, as long as there are filled seats the Cubs FO will live with the booing. Only when attendance drops and the Ricketts start getting a drastic drop in revenue will the FO get really concerned. I for one, don’t believe in booing players. Managers and umpires are another thing.

  7. cubs2003

    I’d like to thank Carlos Marmol for his time with the Cubs. For a while there, his slider was the most fun pitch to watch in all of baseball. I’ve never been comfortable with booing players for ineffectiveness. Lack of effort, sure. I’m hoping he finds a job elsewhere and has a good next phase of his career. The contract isn’t on him, it’s on Hendry.

  8. Brandon

    You make $9million a year and can’t get your job done you should get booed, and like most jobs if you can’t do it you get fired…good luck Carlos and thank you for some really good years.

  9. fromthemitten

    Carlos Marmol was one of the best relievers in the National League just a couple years ago and serves as a reminder how quickly a pitcher can lose his stuff and that baseball is a hard sport to play at the highest level. I wish him the best and wouldn’t be surprised if the Yankees take a flier on him and see if Larry Rothschild can help him get back on track.

  10. Cyranojoe

    Nobody mentioned this: won’t Hoyer’s words serve as encouragement for the boo birds? “We boo’ed Marmol so much, they released him! WOOT! Let’s boo Soriano! Let’s boo Sveum! Let’s boo everybody we don’t like!!!”

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