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washington nationals logoThe Chicago Cubs will be announcing the Scott Hairston trade later today (presumably in tandem with a roster move), but Jon Heyman is reporting that the pitching prospect the Cubs will be getting in the deal is Ivan Pineyro.

As I’d guessed, the Cubs aren’t getting a top prospect – he looks to be in the 20 to 30 range in the Nationals’ system, at best, which is better than I’d thought the Cubs would do – though he might be something of a “riser.” Pineyro, 21, was recently promoted to High-A after pitching extremely well at A-ball (so well, in fact, that he was named an All-Star). After a mixed 2012 campaign split between rookie ball and short season low-A (weak baseball card stats, but great K/BB), Pineyro is sporting a 3.24 ERA over his 15 starts this season, 13 of which came at low-A. He’s got a fantastic 3.27 K/BB this year, which goes well with his 3.42 for his career.

On paper, I’m loving this guy. He’s 6’1″ and about 200 lbs, so he’s not a huge guy, but plenty big enough to let you dream on him as a future starter. In a system thin on upper level pitching talent, Pineyro could immediately be one of the Cubs’ best 10 or so pitching prospects. Getting that for Scott Hairston, after his slow start, is quite a deal.

I would imagine we’ll hear quite a bit more about him in the coming days, assuming Pineyro is the guy, but the early reaction: this is a great get.

UPDATE: Just to get in a confirmation, Ken Rosenthal says, yeah, it’s Pineyro. Local folks seem to be confirming as well, though they might be just parroting the Heyman report as I was. Either way, I’d say this is the guy. And I like it.

And an UPDATE for officialness: the Cubs have announced the deal. It’s Hairston for Pineyro, with each side getting a PTBNL (according to the Nats’ announcement, anyway). Best guess is that the relative calibers of the PTBNLs will depend on how Hairston does with the Nats. It’s also possible that the PTBNL list from which the Nats get to choose is a lot better than the Cubs, which could pull back the reins on how great this deal looks for the Cubs. I suppose we’ll find out in time. For today, I’m smiling.

  • socalicubsfan

    Woo hoo! Would have enjoyed seeing Jed and Theo work a little International $ into the deal, but no problem. I like this move. Now, will Lake be brought up or will the Cubs look at Frenchy?

    • DocPeterWimsey

      There are more options than that. Indeed, the option “disband the Cubs and give all the good players to the Yankees” should be taken before Franceour is made a Cub.

      • hansman1982

        Ya, I just googled him to see what the deal is with the rash of Francouer talk, first article that popped up:

        “The Cubs Should Sign Jeff Francoeur”

        I’ll let you guess who wrote it.

        • socalicubsfan

          So perhaps DeJesus is closer to returning than previously thought (I seem to recall him hitting off a tee the other day) OR are the Cubs bringing up Lake, Watkins, or McDonald to fill in?

        • TWC

          Jesus, what a stupid circus that website is. It’s embarrassing. As if I needed another reminder to stay the hell away.

          • hansman1982

            I used to frequent there about as much as I do here…I wonder if I was just dumb then or if it has gotten worse since I left?

            • TWC

              Well, this place has gotten worse since you arrived, so it’s probably fair to say that they’ve made out well since your departure.

              • hansman1982

                Well, seeing that they haven’t improved and this site has gotten worse…the money is still on it being “me”.

                [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-QmKeKLZMEHQ/T8w-jeYOi6I/AAAAAAAAAno/8FEhJO8S9uM/s320/sad_panda_postcard-p239588081685091378envli_400.jpg[/img]

                • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                  that and the fact that you EAT ALL OUR HAMBURGERS

                  • hansman1982

                    the other place ran out…

                    • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

                      Step 1: eat all the hamburgers
                      Step 2: ?????
                      Step 3: Profit

                    • hansman1982

                      Step 2 is “Break world record for fatness”

          • socalicubsfan

            Good thing about the Interweb for you… you don’t have to read a site if you don’t like it.

            • TWC

              Oh, is THAT how the internet works? Thanks, kid. I had NO idea.

          • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

            It all about CLICK ON ME baiting… i do believe it has gotten much much worse in the last few years. At one point is was a leader but now its scrambling for attention.

          • http://www.hookersorcake.com Hookers or Cake

            Ahhh they’re still 10x better than Bleacher Report, but what isn’t. Al goes to every home game and does some road trips. So you get a little more of the general feel of the game and a pretty solid recap. Sure he’s a little old school and grumpy and yeah some of the articles are a little incendiary (please click me!) But they do a pretty thorough and decent job.
            SB Nation totally screwed up the site about a year ago though… what a damn mess.

            • hansman1982

              Ya, their re-design ruined the handful of good blogs they do have.

        • DocPeterWimsey

          I was wrong, but had I made a Top 10 list, then I would have included the answer!

          At any rate, could any player be more antithetical to the Moneyball paradigm? I mean, it’s not just that the guy has no batting eye: he blathers on in “old school” speech to no end. I suppose if one likes fake hustle and if one will swallow that he swings at everything because it’s a run-producer’s job to do so, then one will love Frenchy.

          Said one probably also uses leeches to treat fevers……

          • ssckelley

            But this would be a “money ball” move. Because of the movie people think money ball is all about finding cheap players with high on base percentage, every team is now looking for that. The term money ball is all about taking advantage of the weaknesses in the market, which is what the Cubs have been doing. You bring in a guy like this, he gets hot, and then offer him to a contender who needs a veteran bat and gives you a little something before the August deadline.

            • DocPeterWimsey

              There are very few GMs left who would be fooled by a brief “hot streak” by Franceour. I don’t think any of them run contending teams, either.

              • ssckelley

                You say this on the day the Cubs just picked up a decent pitching prospect in return for someone not even hitting his weight. Anything can happen between now and August 31st. Personally I am not a big fan of Francoeur either but he would cost league minimum and is still only 29 years old. Players like this seems to be what the FO looks to roll the dice on to see if they can get value for him. If it doesn’t pan out he is gone after this season in free agency anyway.

                • Drew7

                  “You say this on the day the Cubs just picked up a decent pitching prospect in return for someone not even hitting his weight.”

                  You just proved his point for him.

                  Hairston isn’t netting a return based on his recent hot streak. He’s netting a return because he has been a lefty-masher for most of his career, and Rizzo is smart enough to see past the 100+ PA’s of him, “hitting his weight”.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          This is getting really ridiculous… why would anybody want him and why would that site spread that out to the fan base.

  • jh03

    Wow, this return surprises me. Solid.

  • Ben

    For a guy that we didn’t “need”, and who was strictly a platoon bat, this seems like a solid deal. A contender gets a known bat, and we get a decent upside pitching prospect, and save some money.

    Seems like another solid deal by the FO.

  • Britt

    FYI He’s a righty.

  • BluBlud

    Wow, this is a great get for Theo and Comp. I just looked up this guys stats, and he struggled in his first stint in low A, but that was only over 34 innings(small sample size) out of over 200 for his career. Despite that 5.50 ERA over those 34 innings, he is still sporting a 3.17 ERA for his career. This is pretty good for a guy who is only 21 and is currently at high A. This is a legit prospect. Great job Theo.

    • Featherstone

      This FO’s ability to evaluate talent is really starting to show.

  • Featherstone

    This makes quite a bit of sense for the Cubs possibly preying on the opportunity presented by the Nationals upcoming series against the Phillies. They face Lannan, Lee, and Hamels in a series they really need to win if they want to stay in the race against the Braves. Perhaps they overpaid a bit for a guy who historically mashed lefties because the timing was right?

  • Doug

    Sweet!!

  • TonyP

    What is his comp with someone already in our system? Loosen/Hatley/Loux???

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      In terms of prospect-ness, on a quick and dirty glance, I’d say he’s ahead of those guys but below the obvious upper tier pitchers.

      • TonyP

        Looks like a nice pick-up.

    • cms0101

      I’d say he’s at a Ben Wells level, maybe a little better. But definitely below Pierce Johnson.

  • Oswego chris

    Wow…for a guy hitting .163 with more homers than singles…we will take it…love the stockpiling

    • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

      Looks like he has an idea what he’s doing too from the youtube below.

    • Whiteflag

      My guess is he improves in the Nats lineup.

  • fromthemitten

    3:1 K:BB ratio. Very nice. He might wind up in AA’s rotation by the end of the season

  • ssckelley

    This is a great return for a bench player that is not even hitting his weight.

    • Scott

      ^^^ This times 1000 ^^^. Looks like a nice pickup for what is essentially a spare part on a team that’s 10 games under .500.

  • another JP

    This prospect has a pretty peripherals and can be sent to Daytona right away. Like the move to trade a redundant piece for some future talent.

  • http://deepcenterfield.blogspot.com Jason Powers

    Just watched a couple of Youtube’s on him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kQCjLj_e-s Looks like he runs his fastball inside on lefties well. And has a pretty decent hook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhXpcEV7bsQ (1st pitch). He’s young, so that bodes well.

  • Jeff K

    “Prior to the season, Baseball America ranked Pineyro 27th among Nationals prospects, noting that the Dominican held his own against older competition, and “his quick arm is intriguing.” According to BA, Pineyro throws 90-94 with an average to plus changeup and a curveball that needs work. “If he continues to pitch the way he has been, I think he will be a big league pitcher,” Hagerstown Suns pitching coach Franklin Bravo told Ashley Marshall of MLB.com in late April.”

  • Wem

    Assuming he is assigned to Daytona, does this mean a promotion is in the works? Any idea who?

  • Noah

    To me, the Cubs moving Hairston is a sign that the Cubs do not believe they will be able to move Soriano for what they feel is a fair value compared to his worth to the Cubs.

    • http://www.bleachernation.com Brett

      I see where you’re going with that, but I don’t think that, if you told the Cubs yesterday, “you’ll definitely be able to get a great deal for Soriano,” that they would today say, “sorry, Nats, we absolutely have to hold onto Hairston.”

      • RizzoCastro

        Agree with Brett. I have a strange feeling Gaza and Soriano will both be going to the Rangers. I think the Cubs will get Neil Ramirez RHP, Mike Olt 3B, Cody Buckel RHP, & Martin Perez LHP back in the deal. Throw in maybe a low level guy from the Cubs to make the Rangers feel a little better. Garza will get a good haul if he pitches well again tonight and even if he doesn’t pitch great he will command a good bit as long as he is healthy. IMO

        • Rich H

          Especially with Berkman heading to the DL with a hip issue. Soriano and Garza are a better fit everyday.

          • RizzoCastro

            I agree with you Rich. I think this is a huge possibility to happen in the next few days. Garza will start tonight and then can start again this weekend… so the trade may be done before his next start. I hope he goes out and throws a CG shutout and K’s 10+. Soriano please keep up your hot stretch this week and we just may have a deal with the Rangers by this weekend.

    • BluBlud

      I disagree. If the Cubs were to pay Sori’s salary down to Scott Hairston’s, and got the return they just got for Scott Hairston, most people would have probably been happy with that trade. If this is the return for Hairston, I’m sure a Sori at the same price would net much more. So, in other words, I’m sure the FO would settle for this type of trade when it’s all said and done, but will probably get an even bigger return.

    • hansman1982

      Ehh, if I were in the FO I would be willing to move Soriano if only for his late blooming this year. I am worried that it will translate into him doing nothing at all next year when we will need at least average production from LF.

      Even if we trade Sori we can still go into next year with 2 OF already on the books. It will be more challenging but building an OF for next year isn’t any more challenging without Soriano than with him.

      • X the Cubs Fan

        He ALWAYS starts off late, always.

        • hansman1982

          Not really, May has been his best month and April has been average.

          Even this year, my thoughts on him were a bit off, he had a stellar May and weak April and June.

  • http://JUICEDMOTORSPORTS.COM JUICED1

    That’s a solid pick up. I would have been content if we got that back for Sori.

  • North Side Irish

    Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 47s
    #Nationals and #Cubs announce the deal. Each getting a player to be named later in addition to Hairston and Pineyro.

    More coming and going?

    • North Side Irish

      MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors 3m
      Actually both the Cubs and Nationals are getting a PTBNL in the Hairston deal.

  • On The Farm

    Muskat reporting that it will be Brooks Raley who is joining the Cubs

    • ssckelley

      Great news! I was starting to get worried that the Cubs were not going to be drafting in the top 5 next June.

      Perhaps he is starting tonight?

      • cms0101

        They bullpen has been taxed this week. Guerrier and Strop were used a ton this past weekend. Rondon was spent yesterday after Villanueva’s short start. This is just a short term move to have an extra bullpen arm in case innings are needed in the next few days. They’ll switch him out for Lake or another bat soon enough.

      • CubsFaninMS

        Haha Good post.

    • another JP

      Not a fan of Raley, but we’ll more than likely be trading Garza + Gregg soon, so I can see the thought process of his call-up. With CarVill going to the rotation we need someone with the capability of going long in relief or spot starting.

    • BluBlud

      This makes absolutely no sense. Why do we keep going back and forth with 13 pitchers.

      • hansman1982

        The FO aversion of carrying a 6th IF this year is intriguing.

        With that said, after yesterday’s game, I don’t mind the callup to get a fresh-ish arm in there.

        • On The Farm

          This was my thought coupled with the fact that there is still a chance that Garza could be traded soon (not before his start tonight, but maybe before the break). Having Raley up can provide some bullpen relief as well as serve as insurance if Garza gets shipped (to Boston?).

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          I’m guessing the FO doesn’t want to expose any of our minor league IF prospects to MLB pitching and thereby hurting their “prospect” value. Vitters and Jackson really lost value with their cup last year and although I believe other FO as smart enough to see if a player can be successful in the big show. Exposing Lake, Watkins, or others only for them to fail really hampers the ability for them to be that extra piece in a trade that has value. Its a lost season no lead to bring someone up only to bench them, keep giving them regular AB and growing/maintaining their trade value.

        • Kyle

          I think it’s mostly just that our OF depth is much better at baseball than our IF depth.

          • Noah

            This. The Cubs best option to come up and be a bench player on the infield from the minors is Donnie Murphy. And, at best, what you’re getting from Murphy is replacement level.

            The only other option, Logan Watkins seems like the type of guys the Cubs will really want to to get 500+ PAs in Triple A. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him as a September call up and then stick with the team as a utility player to start 2014.

      • ssckelley

        Because he is already on the 40 man roster and has not pitched since June 30th. Again, he might be starting tonight.

  • willis

    This system needs arms, and this guy seems like a decent one. Can start right away in High A against good competition. Looking forward to seeing what he can do.

  • Kyle

    Looks solid enough to me. He’s a decent prospect, but I’m of the school of thought that says that you *should* get at least a decent prospect for a useful MLB player, which is what Hairston is, even without paying his contract. The PTBNLs make it hard to evaluate, obviously.

    • Whiteflag

      I have to agree with you on that. However, it’s harder to get a decent prospect than it has been in the past. Teams seem to be valuing there prospects more than ever, which in one way is great. Yet, in some ways it seems ass backwards.

  • #1lahairfan

    Decent get since I think we might lose someone of value with the PTBNL.

  • #1lahairfan

    I think the Cubs should have ate all of Hairston’s salary in order to get an even better return.

    • X the Cubs Fan

      3.5 million over 2 years isn’t going to change anything.

    • TWC

      Conjugate, conjugate, conjugate!

      http://bit.ly/1agzI4h

  • Ivy Walls

    Jeff Francoeur and $$ for international taking his salary and a throw in back to KC my bet.

    • ssckelley

      The Royals have already released him, I don’t think the Cubs have to give them anything if they want to sign Francoeur.

    • ACA

      I’ll take that bet.

  • Cedlandrum

    When the Cubs send Raley back down they will have to call up someone. If you leave Watkins and Lake at Iowa to start, I would like them to call up Ty Wright. He has hit pretty well in his career and it would be a nice reward for a guy who has gone wherever he has been asked. I am not generally in the pity call up, but with a lost season, why not?

    • cms0101

      It’s got to be Lake. He’s already on the 40-man roster. He’s hitting better than any other option in Iowa. Unless they gut the team and create a bunch of 40-man openings, I don’t foresee Wright getting the call anytime soon.

      • Cedlandrum

        You have a 40 man spot because you just traded Hairston.

        • cms0101

          I don’t think the add a guy like Wright to he one open 40-man spot. If there were multiple spots, maybe. If you’re going to add someone that isn’t on the 40 man already, it will be a guy like Donnie Murphy. He’s much more versatile than Wright.

          • ssckelley

            But the nice thing about adding a guy like Wright to the 40 man is he has options and can be easily taken back off and sent back down without clearing waivers.

            • cms0101

              But if he sucks, who cares how many options he has? If Donnie Murphy gets added and then has to be sent back down, they’re not losing value if he decides not to accept the demotion or if another team shockingly claims him.

          • Cedlandrum

            Wright is a guy you can DFA too and easily take off your roster and he isn’t going to get claimed so as long as he is agreeable to stay you wouldn’t lose him.

            • cms0101

              But the bottom line on Wright is that he’s not any good. He’s roster filler, at best. He was awful in AA this season before getting moved to AAA out of necessity. If they’re looking for a bat to call up, it will either be Lake or Donnie Murphy because of their versatility.

              • ssckelley

                We all know Wright is not very good, none of us is claiming he is, but the Cubs need a spare outfielder. Murphy is an infielder and Lake is one of the best high level prospects who only has 138 PA at AAA.

                • cms0101

                  Why do they need a spare OF exactly? They have 5 active for 3 positions. They also have 5 infielders active for 4 positions there. What is the greater need? An infielder.

                  • ssckelley

                    Depending on Bogusevic hamstring they might need another outfielder. I missed he was used as a pinch hitter yesterday. If he is healthy enough to play then perhaps they do give Murphy a shot.

                    • cms0101

                      I’d rather see Lake, but he’d have to get much more action than Hairston did to justify it.

                • cms0101

                  And Lake would cover both the OF and INF, which is why I think they are seriously considering him.

                  • ssckelley

                    I know you would, and honestly I would to as a guy like Wright or Murphy does nothing for me, but I would be shocked to see Lake in Chicago before September. Had Lake not gotten hurt and had been doing this all season at Iowa then he could have been the one called up.

      • ssckelley

        They are not bringing up Lake unless they plan on using him everyday. It would not make any sense to bring him up just to sit on the bench and get an occasional start/PA. Lake is still developing and needs to play every day.

        • cms0101

          They’re grooming Lake to be a super utility type guy. If he’s guaranteed to play against all lefties and also sub for guys against righties, I think he’d be perfectly fine to play on their bench for a month. Then when the trade flood gates open, he’ll find a spot to play everyday in. They’re running out of options, and it’s already been reported that they’re considering it, so I’m not completely off base.

    • ssckelley

      I think bringing Wright up would be more than a pity call up. He is 28 years old it is time to see if he can be of any use at the MLB level and you do not have to worry about him getting consistent at bats. A 5th outfielder and pinch hitter is the ceiling for Wright.

      • cms0101

        Wright is an organizational filler guy. His only hope of making the majors at this point is to dominate in AAA and force a call-up like Bogasevic did. Wright spent most of the season in AA and wasn’t really hitting well there. He’s a veteran guy that fills out rosters in the minors.

  • Rich H

    My question from this collection of highly informed individuals is did we just get more for a guy that 3 days ago had not played in almost 2 weeks than the Marlins got for their best starter?

    • Whiteflag

      Oh Wow.

    • JulioZuleta

      I would say that Pinyero is a better prospect than any one the 3 that the Dodgers got. Now his value compared to the three of them? Probably slightly less, but still it just shows how awful the Marlins are at everything.

      • Rebuilding

        I think this is exactly right. And I would much rather have one high upside type than 3 meh guys. The Marlins return for Nolasco is downright embarrassing, but so is most of what they do.

    • Cyranojoe

      Great point man. That’s… that’s awesome.

      Where are Die hard and Timmy to rant about how awful this FO is now?

      • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

        oh give them a second they will be around at some time today

      • Rich H

        Let me see if I can help. Blah blah blah Hairston hits homer runs blah blah blah stats are stupid blah blah blah this kid will never see AA blah blah blah the marlins FO is way better. Blah blah blah I dont back any thing up because it is hard to clarify the stats that I see in my head blah blah blah. Theo Sucks!

        I hope that helps.

        • http://www.michigangoat.blogspot.com MichiganGoat

          Bellyfire… Quade would get them winning… TWTW… 50% of the time I’m right 5% of the time… no Beer in Wrigley… She-view BAAAD… that should complete it

          • Jp3

            Ha! Awesome, that was spot on

  • North Side Irish

    Jesse Sanchez ‏@JesseSanchezMLB 3m
    Lot of interest in RHP Tseng (TW), @MLB’s #29, but #Cubs have emerged as favorite. Expected to command at least $1.5M http://atmlb.com/10DO8al

    • Rebuilding

      I like the looks of Tseng:

      From MLB.com “Tseng also has a feel for his secondary pitches, primarily his curveball and slider, and is confident on the mound. The right-hander works comfortably with a fastball in the low-90s, but scouts would like to see him challenge more hitters with the pitch. Scouts like his maturity, aggressiveness, and his poise. He has a large frame which bodes well for his durability.”

  • Brandon

    Do the Cubs have to put Baez on the 40-man roster this fall/winter to protect him? With the talk of the roster it got me wondering. If so we are going to have a bunch of not yet ready players on the 40. That would lead me to think that maybe Lake gets the call up to see what he can do/needs to work on during the off season.

    • Kyle

      No. Baez would not be rule 5 eligible for awhile. He doesn’t need to be protected.

      The full list of guys who would be rule 5 eligible for the Cubs can be found here:

      http://www.thecubreporter.com/rule-5-draft-eligibility

      • Brandon

        Thanks Kyle.

      • Noah

        It’s nice that I think the only guy the Cubs REALLY need to protect is Arismendy Alcantara, as everyone else who really looks likely to be a significant prospect is either too far away or not performing well enough. Although I’d expect the Cubs to protect Jae-Hoon Ha as well, the nice thing is that the Cubs should have a the flexibility to protect the players they want in addition to the players they need.

        • mak

          I wouldn’t count out Amaya or Burke either.

          • cms0101

            Amaya is so low in the organization right now that it’s hard for them to spend the roster spot on him if there are others they want to protect. It’s extremely rare for a low-A infielder to be picked in the Rule 5. Pitchers can be stashed in the bullpen, but infielders not so much.

            • Noah

              Yeah, that’s why I think Amaya is unlikely to get picked up. He’s holding his own at A ball, but that’s it. It’s good enough to get a promotion to High A next season, but any team that thinks they can keep Amaya on their active roster long enough in 2014 even with doing the DL dance might be a little crazy.

              • cms0101

                Exactly. There are so many more infielders that will be exposed in the Rule 5, hitting better, and at higher levels, that Amaya won’t need to be protected. Alcantara, on the other hand, will absolutely have to be protected.

    • bbmoney

      I don’t think Baez is there yet. Think he’s got at least another year or two before he needs to be protected.

      Hopefully…he’s ready to get put on the 25 man by that time.

      • bbmoney

        Kyle’s post is infinitely more helpful than mine. Wish I’d waited.

    • Cedlandrum

      Have to have been on minor league contract for 4 years I believe. So Baez wouldn’t be an issue.

  • Dale Jr

    Donnie Murphy is getting the call I believe

  • When the Music’s Over

    Not sure why people say this guy is a few notches below Pierce Johnson. There are those on here that think Johnson absolutely smoked Low-A, however, this guy’s numbers are virtually identical across the board, and he’s roughly the same age. Add in the reports on his fastball velocity and solid change, and seems he’s pretty much right on par with Johnson. If that’s the case, huge pickup in my opinion.

    • cms0101

      It’s quite possible that he is on par with Johnson. I hope that is the case. Still, everything I’ve seen suggests he’s not quite Johnson. Still a solid pick up though and I hope he follows Johnson up the system and to Wrigley… or beats him there.

      • When the Music’s Over

        I think both are very nice pitchers and guys I am certainly happy are within the Cubs organization, but that Johnson has undergone a good amount of prospect creep among Cubs fans due to the extreme thin pool of quality pitching talent.

        • cms0101

          That’s true. But it’s not just Cubs fans. Johnson was ranked #6 in the organization by BA. Pineyro was ranked 26 by BA in the Nats org. Is their system that much better than the Cubs?

        • cms0101

          Pineyro was ranked 27th, not 26th.

          • When the Music’s Over

            I think the large disparity in rankings between the two is due to a number of reasons:

            1) Johnson was so much more well known due to three years of Division 1 collegiate pitching.

            2) This guy was injured a lot of last year

            3) The Nationals have a lot more minor league pitching depth. This relationship causes guys like Johnson to be somewhat artificially bumped up in ranking in the Cubs system, and guys like Pineyro to be somewhat artificially bumped down in ranking in the Nationals system. Assuming their numbers continue to be similar (not a safe assumption) at High A, I think the 20 spot difference in rankings between the two gets tightened up quite a bit.

    • Rebuilding

      With guys this age the ranking are half hype and pedigree, half projection and ten percent production (?). Pineyro was hit with a line drive last year that broke his jaw – so he’s relatively unknown. Johnson was a first round pick. The disparity in rankings at this point really doesn’t mean much

      • When the Music’s Over

        Exactly my point. Thank you.

        • another JP

          I think you’re correct on Johnson’s position within the Cubs system being a bit inflated— just as much as Paniagua being ranked in the top ten. Just goes to show how barren the impact pitching was for this team. IMO guys like Blackburn, Zastrysny, Hendricks, and now Pineyro are all on par with Johnson as a prospect, which would rank them somewhere in the teens.

          • Jp3

            I don’t know what Blackburn’s stuff looks like but his numbers this year so far at Boise have been outstanding… Between Pierce, Blackburn, Hendricks and Skulina the arms stack is ticking up I think.

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